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    i have only seen aliens, and thought it was absolutley brilliant.
    
    Can't wait till I actually get to rent the other two. I heard no 1
    is better than 2, is this right?                            

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                  -< ALIEN OR ALIENS OR III , ANY WILL DO!!! >-

  >  Lets talk or re-talk about the ALIEN AND ALIENS films . Anything new
  >  on any forthcoming films or ideas .

Cosidering the way the last one ended (Alien III, which actually should have
been Alien II since the second movie was Aliens (1) and not part of the Alien
string and.......) probably not, but don't underestimate the power of hollywood.
I'd read that Sigourney had negotiated a "deal of a lifetime" and is financially
set,  so she wouldn't be back.

Barry

> I heard no 1 is better than 2, is this right?                            

	"Alien" was pretty good, but the sequel "Aliens" was even
	better.  "Aliens 3" was a joke, don't bother renting it.

re .1

>  Can't wait till I actually get to rent the other two. I heard no 1
>  is better than 2, is this right? 
 
Actually I think it's a matter of taste. Both are excellent films in very
different styles. _Alien_ is gothic horror in space, _Aliens_ is more of
an adventure film. Personally I had always preferred _Alien_ but after 
seeing Cameron's directors cut on laser disc (about half an hour of additional
footage which considerably improves the film) I'd rate them about even.

_Alien 3_ just doesn't live up to the first two films, it's not a bad film
just not as good as the first two. Whatever posessed the producer to hire
a director who had never directed a feature film I don't know.

re .2

> Cosidering the way the last one ended (Alien III, which actually should have
> been Alien II since the second movie was Aliens (1) and not part of the Alien
> string and.......)


Huh?


Randy

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>re .2

>> Cosidering the way the last one ended (Alien III, which actually should have
>> been Alien II since the second movie was Aliens (1) and not part of the Alien
>> string and.......)


>Huh?
Spoiler Warning


Randy

    I mean, its hard to do a sequel when you've killed off your main character
and when the actress who played the main character has vowed that this was
her last portrayl. :-)

 Unless you meant the parathesised part:
The first movie was Alien
The second movie was Aliens
The third movie was called Alien III, which was inaccurate since there was 
never an Alien II, clear now :-)

Barry

>The first movie was Alien
>The second movie was Aliens
>The third movie was called Alien III, which was inaccurate since there was 
never an Alien II


The third movie was called Alien�  (which won't come out on some terminals:
that's Alien cubed)... a friend suggested that they may be no more sequels
because after unity, multiplication an exponentiation next mathematical operation
is factorial, so the fourth film would have to be called "Alien!"



+Mark+

    ALIEN:- I saw this film when I was about 10 , and man did I think It
            was really scary . But seeing it now is easy as pie , the way
            it was directed had sometimes a fly-on-the-wall type feel to
            it , the effects were quite good for those days evan now it 
            still looks good . good acting and a good blend of characters
            with different feelings to the situation .
    
            ****/*****
    
    
    ALIENS & SPECIAL EDITION:- When I saw this I thought "oh , no mass of 
            inconsistances and nothing to do with the original " , But when
            the opening credits rolled up and the old NARCSISSES(sp)life
            boat , appered on the screen , I thought now maybe this might
            be good . And sure enough it was brillent , different style to
            the first one more of an action packed then all-out horror ,
            but it had its gorey momments. The special ed. version was
            much better in that we got to see the place with a hive of 
            activity , and those sentry guns !!!!!
    
            ****.*/*****
    
    
    ALIENS III:- This film I thought had potential , you could tell that
                 the director was new at this (feature movie) job. but it
                 felt like it was a who's who on film styles , i.e -
                 John carpenter - a "thing" type feel , when they were in
                                  the tunnels with flares and general style
                                  of the situation .
                 Ridley scott - the allover feel of the film , dark and
                                deppressing with a " I dont give a damn "
                                attitude .
                 James camoren - the action bits .
    
    
    over all he also had some pretty good ideas him self , but there was 
    just somthing missing from this film that the other two had , I quite
    enjoyed it over all mainly as a film by its self and not a sequal .
    
    ***.*/*****
    
    
    
    What all of this films have in commen is that the effect were done by
    APOGEE and the tom woodruff school of effects .
    
    Other ideas for a new ALIENS film would be either on there home planet
    or an awsome batteling ALIENS V THE PREDITOR that would be most
    excallent .
    
    any way my 1c worth .......
    
    
    
                 DR. H.H.H esq. etc,etc,etc,.........
    
                
    

  I really liked the 1st two, good action, good fun. The 2nd was probably
the best. I haven't seen the 3rd.

  The 1st movie had one of the best slogan's of any movie I've ever seen:

  "In Space, no one can hear you scream."

  George

Providing Killer Klowns with

"In space no-one can eat ice cream."

and some low-budget bimbo-SF film with

"In space no-one can hear you coming."

    On a 1-to-10 scale:
    
    	Alien - 8
    	Aliens - 7
    	Alien 3 - 2
    
    NAZZ

    
    re last:
    
    Would have to give both Alien and Aliens a 9. Relative to the time they
    were made. Remember the scare at theaters when Alien first opened in
    79. Now on the tube it seems tame. Aliens, different film. Definitly a
    Cameron film ie Terminator type, action oriented.
    
    As regards Aliens 3. Total letdown. Big misstake. They could have kept
    this story going at least for 2-3 more films. Yep the movie with a
    bunch of bald guys with accents. 
    
    Dave
    

    Does anyone know if the special edition of Aliens with all the added 
    footage is available on video?  Someone said it is on laserdisk, but 
    alas, I do not have a laserdisk player.
    
    

The special edition of both _Alien_ and _Aliens_ are on laser disc only.
Most of what is on them would be impossible or wasted on tape. I've heard
of no plans to release the films with just the added footage on tape. But
then I don't keep up with tape releases.


Randy

> The special edition of both _Alien_ and _Aliens_ are on laser disc only.
> Most of what is on them would be impossible or wasted on tape.

	Why would it be wasted on tape?  Is that because the laser disc
	version is letterboxed?  They could (and I wish they would :-)
	letterbox the special edition on videocassette.

    RE: .14
    
    The laserdisk collector's edition contains a full disk side that
    contains sort of a slide show. You single-step through it, and read all
    kinds of tidbits about how the movie was made, interspersed with actual
    footage of them making the movie. It's quite a neat feature of
    laserdisk technology that they were smart enough to take advantage of.
    This would be impossible to emulate on a video tape. 
    
    mb

	Re: .15

	They could still release a videotape version with just the
	movie and additional footage inserted.

	BTW, you didn't say if the laserdisc version is letterboxed
	or not?  (please say yes :-)

    I have the fully blown version of Aliens it is letterbaxed and the
    added footage realy explains a few missing bit of backgound that adds
    life to an already great movie.
                        Jeff Peters 

    I have the special edition of ALIENS on VHS HI-FI stereo tape , not 
    letter boxed , a shame! 
    
    Jeff what & how dose the extended version of ALIEN make it an already
    better film????  
    

    Sorry I only have Aliens.
              Jeff Peters

In the _Alien_ special edition, unlike _Aliens_ , the added footage isn't 
incorporated into the film itself. It's included in the supplemental section.
It includes the famous "coccoon" scene that was edited from the released
print (too intense?). This additional footage doesn't add nearly as much
to _Alien_ as the added footage did to _Aliens_ but is nice to have it and
does explain some interpersonal relationships more fully.

Both of these films are letterboxed on disc, which adds a lot to the enjoyment
of the film, not only do you get to see the entire film in it's proper frame
but you don't get dizzy from all the panning and scanning. As far as why 
these films aren't released in letterbox format on tape (very few films are)
I'd say the answer is probably two-fold, one technical and the other market-
ing. When you view a film in letterbox format you're losing some vertical
resolution. This can lead, among other things, to a shimmering effect with
some images. This is an acceptable compromise for most people with laserdiscs
but with the much lower resolution of tapes it's usually not. The second 
issue is that the marketing perception is that generally there is a lower
threshold of acceptability for letterboxing among tape consumers than with
laserdisc consumers. In fact most laserdisc consumers will refuse to buy
an anamorphic film that isn't letterboxed whereas most tape consumers are
just the opposite.

BTW, I also have the newly released Fox special edition of Cameron's _The
Abyss_ and it's the best of the lot. Not only does it have an additional
half hour of footage and fantastic supplementals, it's also the first disc
to be THX certified by Lucasfilms. It's possibly the best looking and 
sounding disc on the market.


Randy

    RE: .20
    
    What does it mean to be THX certified?
    
    mb

THX is a certification process done by Lucasfilms. It requires the very
highest standards in both video and audio. Up until now it's only been done
for movie theatres and home theatres. The _Abyss_ special edition is the
first time it's been applied to software.


Randy

    
       I read that one idea for a Alien 4 was to have everything that
       happened in 3 to be a dream in hypersleep.
       No doubt there will be another,as Hollywood have a bad habit of 
       dragging a thing out,& wasting a good orignal
    
                                   

    Re: last.
    
    >Everything in Alien 3 a bad dream in hypersleep< - Hey, I like that
    idea!  I hope if Hollywood does Alien 4, they will use the idea most
    "Alien" fans, mainly me, have been waiting for -- the alien gets to 
    earth.  (Which is what I thought they were going to do for Alien 3 as
    the previews all said, "On earth, everyone can hear you scream."
    
    Here's hoping...
    
    
    

>    >Everything in Alien 3 a bad dream in hypersleep< - Hey, I like that idea!

	Even better, make pretend Alien 3 was never made!  They could
	bring Ms. Weaver back that way (there'd be nothing to explain
	how she survived the hot lead).

    What was the name of the planet that the space ship carrying the alien
    pods had crashed on.I think it was LV something.

    Thanks

    SCott

    LV-426
    

    
    Thanking you
    
    
    
    

    
    Actually,  There have been a couple of comic book series, and 1 video
    game based on the "Aliens vs. Predator" theme.  Rumors are flying about
    that if either series were to have a next movie, this would be it.
    
    And for those who didn't already know, or notice, in the Predators
    "trophy case" in Predator 2 there was an "Alien" head.  Both Movies
    were released by 20th Century Fox it is feasable that it might happen.
    
    Rob
    

	I'm not sure if this has anything to do with the previous
	two notes, but I did check something on the news or radio
	about a couple weeks ago about them actually thinking how
	they can bring Ripley back from the dead for another sequel
	(and Sig. Weaver said no more, she should of learned from
	Sean Connerry to never say never again :-).

	Personally I think they should just pretend Aliens 3
	was never made and continue from the story line of
	the 1st sequel.....

    
    
    IMHO the problem with Aliens III is they let Sigorney W. stick her
    nose into the script. When will these actor/actresses learn that
    being an actor does not make one a screen writer/director/whatever?
    
         -=-=-R~C~W-=-=-

    I agree with the previous note :-when S.Weaver said she wouldn't do
    another film using Guns/explosives etc they should've dropped her and
    used M.Biehn(Hicks) and made another roller-coaster treat like Aliens
    (preferably with J.Cameron on the directors seat).I still think that
    another excellent movie could be made from this theme but it would have
    to be well written/directed and Stan Winston/Light & Magic Company
    would have to do the special effects.It wouldn't be difficult to
    re-introduce the alien -
    1. Did the nuclear blast from the Atmospere Processor Unit(near the end
    of Aliens) affect the Alien ship which is featured in Alien/Aliens special
    edition.-It could still be laddened with eggs!
    2. In Alien 3 when they poured the Molten lead over the 'Rottweiller
    Alien' it still survived even though it was in there for quite a while
    so who said that the 'Baby Queen Alien' couldn't have survived when
    ripley through herself into the molten lead????
    3. Or even man finds the Aliens home planet!!!
    4. Another spacecraft could be found with the ferocious buggers on it!
    
    The list is endless but one thing is for sure they will have to do a
    lot of thinking before making another or they will damage the story
    even more than Alien3(It is possible).
                                                   Rich
     

    Re -1.
    		The bolt has been shot in the Alien trilogy. Only die hard
    fans of the series would venture out to the flicks to see yet another
    flick especially as A3 was complete dung.
    					     I agree that there are other
    possibilities for another script but what's the point ?? We've seen
    it all before. I for one am no longer scared of the alien. Ever heard
    of the term 'flogging a dead horse'.
    
    Get a life you sad, sad act.
    
    signed,
           Barry Norman.

    
    
    Will someone please, PLEASE, tell me how the face huggers found their
    way onto the Sulaco at the start of Alien 3?  
    
    By the way (for those who even care) those saps at TC Fox are kicking
    around the idea of a directors cut/special edition of this film, with
    an estimated extra half-hour of new footage.  If it happens, it will
    probably include the sequence where the creature is successfully
    captured in the waste storage room.
    
    Scott
    
    

    Re: .35
    
    >Will someone please, PLEASE, tell me how the face huggers found their
     way onto the Sulaco at the start of Alien 3?<
    
    >>Spoilers for those who might not have seen it yet<< 
    
    I think it was implied that the queen still had a couple of eggs left
    inside her when she smuggled herself aboard the Sulaco, at least that's
    the only explanation I can think of.  What bugged me about Alien3 was
    when the facehugger cut itself on the glass of the cryo-tube, bled acid
    all over the place, but still managed to infect Ripley without melting
    her face off, and ANOTHER one was still roaming around that infected 
    the dog.  That was just too much to accept.
    
    Could you also explain some more of this bit about a missing sequence 
    where they captured the alien?  I'm grasping at anything which might
    have made Alien3 a better movie...
                                              

    
    re. 36
    
    hmmm... yes.   Not bad.   A better explanation than anything I could
    think of.  I agree, its a bit much to swallow.  I think too much
    obscure information was squeezed into the opening credits sequence
    (mind you, I thought its chop-and-change style was one of the more
    striking parts of the movie).
    
    In answer to your question:
    The waste room sequence was in the novelisation of the film by Alan
    Dean Foster.  There is also a glimpse in a trailer that I think was
    made for American theatres, of Ripley leaping out of the way back up
    against a wall as a large heavy door drops down beside her.  In the cinema
    cut this scene isn't present.  After the fire storm starts in the
    corridors the alien isn't seen (despite extensive behind the scenes
    footage of the alien suit being filmed in front of 'stage fires') and
    then there is a limp fade into the aftermath/cleanup scene where they round
    up the dead bodies.  From this point two characters prominent in the
    film are not seen again and I suppose we are to assume that they have
    perished in the fires.
    
    The first is Junior (the would-be rapist with the goggles).  In the
    book they manage to trap the creature when Junior sacrifices his life
    by luring it into the waste room with himself as bait.  The door is
    closed and the two of them (soon to become one of them) are locked
    inside.
    
    The other character is that blood-splattered basketcase that they dumped
    in the infirmary.  I can't remember his name, but he was there when
    Clemens the medical officer met his untimely demise.  He wasn't present
    during the firestorm (so therefore couldn't have been killed by the
    flames) and wasn't led out by the marines at the end (only Morse was
    seen to be taken out of the prison - the inmate who dumped the hot
    lead).  His absence could only be explained if 1) the marines, Morse
    and the human Bishop forgot about him or, 2) the alien whipped back to the
    infirmary unseen and 'popped' him or 3) - as is in the novel - he
    escapes from the infirmary (with religous delusions that the creature is
    a vengeful God/Beast 'dragon' that he has decided to serve and aid in its
    holy mission) and frees the trapped creature by unlocking the waste room 
    door.  The alien thanks him for his devout service by tearing him into 
    dogmeat and then it scampers off down the corridor wall, free.
    
    Ripley and the inmates come back, find the door open with the alien gone 
    and the headcase prisoner in bits and then the theatre release film would
    probably resume here as they now have to sit down and think of a way to 
    kill it, coming up with the idea to trap it in the leadworks.
    
    I also wish Alien 3 could have been more and I for one would love to
    see a better, fuller version.
    
    There were other small outakes shot, such as the dog owner finding the dead
    face hugger after it had laid the egg in his ill-fated pooch.
    You may recall in previews, footage of Clemens walking along a beach. 
    Apparently Ripley turns up in the surf and he carries her back to the
    prison complex.
    
    These were all shot and removed (I think) because the studio wanted the
    film to have a more 'audience desirable' (i.e. shorter) running time.
    
    
    Scott
    

    
    
    FYI, there is a new video game in the arcades called 'Alien 3:The Gun'.
    
    Hardcore.
    
    It consists of two rather large fixed pulse rifles (so two can play
    similtaneously) that face into the screen and judder in your hands when
    fired.  The object of the game is to brutally gun down anything that
    moves.  Aliens and face huggers scamper frantically towards you with 
    murder in mind, and it is your job to splatter their green caustic blood 
    all over the walls before they get close enough to strike.  Depending on 
    where your bullets hit the aliens, they will still try and crawl
    desperately towards you, legless or armless, desperate to dish out some 
    of their special teeth treatment.  At the end of every extended bout of
    mayhem, you are forced to furiously hammer something big and
    indestructable looking.  Save your grenades for this.  You can also
    pick up extra life and a flame thrower (the latter really makes them
    sing!)  I've never really been one for the arcades, but this was a *hell* 
    of a lot of fun.  
    
    If you're laid back enough to get past the idea of the presence of
    pulse rifles, killer robots, 16' aliens, floating machine-gun remotes,
    tanks, giant red face huggers, etc, in a game that is based on a film
    that contains none of these, and you like the idea of going on a
    harmless red-hot Uzi death spree, then this will prove to be quite
    diverting.
    
    Scott
    
    
    

    Does anyone know where you can get the Alien/Aliens special edition
    video with the extra 15 minutes,in the UK?
    
    Tyrone
    

    
    
    Try Virgin Megastore (or any large music/video store) or one of the
    Forbidden Planets scattered around the country for the special edition
    of Aliens.  Alien (original version) is available in Widescreen from
    these places also.
    
    There is a special boxed set - coloured black with the shape of a face
    hugger sprawled over the top of it (about 69 pounds) containing all three
    films.  The additional alien footage is also in this (i.e. the Cocoon
    sequence, etc) but I think this is included seperately and not
    incorporated into the first movie.
    
    Scott
    
    

    Are the scenes of lv - 426 that cover the time before the aliens invade
    shown in the laser disc version of aliens.  Is the cocoon scene on the
    laser disc version of alien. And is there any uncut or director's cut
    version on vhs.  I loved the scene with the sentry guns and would loved
    to see it again. It was once shown on a TV version.

    Aliens - Special Collector's Edition
    This is the uncut edition and shows LV-426 before the aliens attack (as
    well as lots of other scenes). It's available on VHS (or at least, the VHS 
    tape I bought in England three years ago) and on laserdisc.
    
    Alien - Special Collector's Edition
    This features the cocoon scene (and soem other cut scenes) as extras on
    a separate side of the laserdisc. I don't know whether they were ever
    released on a tape.
    
    Hope this is some help.
    
    Nick
      

    
    
              !!!!!!!!!S T O P   P R E S S !!!!!!!!!!
    
    
    
     Just recieved the latest blurb on the now confirmed NEW Aliens IV film
     Below is a copy of the artical in Starburst mag.
    
     Written without authorization , of course !!!!!
    
    
    
                           FOURTH TIMA LUCKY .
    
      Four looks like being a lucky no. for Aliens fans, with there
    favourite stars for a fourth helping of SF adventure .
      Fox's ALIEN IV is almost certain to star Sigourney Weaver who is said
    to be anxious to reprise her most famous role of warrent officer Ellen
    Ripley after a three year brake. The fatel events in ALIEN III will be
    explained as either that old chestnut, a dream (yawn!) or, more
    probably, an elaborate virtual reality excercise set-up by earth
    authorities to test Ripleys loyalty to the human race. Alternatively,
    Weaver will play an android recreation of Ripley. Apparently, Weaver
    has already agreed to make the film provided that either Ridley Scott
    or James Cameron directs .
    
    
    Well, now there can be some interesting ideas for plot and all the
    other nonsence that goes with it !!!!!!!!
    
    
    For those of a more pleasent nature, in the same artical, they are
    talking about the new STAR WARS films as well as a special edition
    of Star Wars due to be out at the cinema in 1995 .
    More on that in the SW notes file .
    
    
    
    ............ ED.................
    
    
    
    
    

    
    
                Sub title should read.
    
    
                         FOURTH TIME LUCKY.
    
    
    

    It looks highly likely that Alien 4 will be made,according to Sigorny
    (sp) Weaver,on BBC radio.Ripley will be brought back to life using lasers or
    something (her words),and will be made to do things against her will...
    
    Tyrone
    

    <--- sad. they should let it go
    
    imho
    
    ric

  I've heard that the new slogan is going to be:

    "In a movie theater no one can hear you scream! Alien IV"

  George

     I think they should forget about ripley on any other main charchter
    and just show the aliens. It would be nice to see a whole movie with
    them killing  everyone, themselves, whatevah!!
    			Gary

    Picked up the March edition of "Cinescape" magazine the other day.
    There's an interesting interview with writer Joss Whedon, Most well
    known for "Buffy the Vampire Slayer", re writes of "Speed" and
    "Waterworld", he has now been asked to write "Alien 4" for "Fox" !
    Here are a few sections from the interview....
    "I saw Alien when I was 14, and there's not another movie that's had as
    big an impact on me viscerally or aesthetically. Alien changed the
    nature of science fiction as much as Star Wars did by turning it into a
    working mans universe." Now science fiction is inhabited by you and me.
    That's part of the appeal, along with the fact, of course, that they
    created a monster that was not only genuinely new but also horribly
    resonant. That's what was disappointing about the third one for me,
    he adds. I thought the attitude and the feel were great, but people
    want to see something different. They say,'We know the alien; we know
    it intimately. What's new ?. Whats out there that's different?
    When James Cameron made "Aliens", he did that in spades just with the
    title alone. But then Alien 3 said, yeah, well this one is small and
    kind of slow !
    "Ooh "he says with a laugh, that's scary !"
    "The last movie was beatiful to look at, but it was neither exciting
    nor scary, which is a travesty.
    "I think the thing that upset me the most is that they actually had a
    scene where people we didn't know were killed by the alien. That's
    bullshit ! That totally betrayes these movies, because nothing is more
    boring and pointless than somebody you don't know anything about being
    killed".
    "I love finite space, I think you need that in an Alien film. That's
    what James Cameron is so brilliant at, creating a space whereyou know
    everything you need to know and nothing else ! What I'd like to create
    is a very specific space like that, instead of doing something so huge
    that it becomes vague. 
    I got the gig by first writing a treatment that did not involve
    "Ripley", then they said we want her, I guess the idea of doing an
    Alien movie without an anchor makes them nervous. So I wrote a new
    treatment, and I'm very jelously guarding the whole plot.
    Although Ripley will be bought back thanks to cloning technology, she
    will not be the same character that audiences met in the first three
    films. The aliens too will be genetically different. This movie needs
    to be more exciting and scary than any other movie that comes out. It's
    the ride and a sci-fi coolness factor, taht's important. The genetics
    issue is definitely secondary to other things. We're dealing with
    Ripley's resurrection responsibly, We're not just saying "Ooh
    Sigourney's back, let's go make the movie !" It's the central issue of
    the movie, the fact that we're bringing her back. Once you do that
    everything must be different. If somebody comes back from the dead,
    especially in a movie where death is the ultimate threat, you can't
    just say;It's okay, anybody can die and come back because we can do
    this now. It's very important to me that it be a vetry torturous, sort
    of grotesque process so the audience can feel what its like to be sort
    of horribly reborn in a lab ! And Ripleys not too happy about being
    bought back either, she's angry and has to deal with a lot of shit
    
    
    Well at least this guy appears to be an Alien fan, his work can also be
    seen in the soon to be releases "Suspension"..."Die Hard on a Bridge "
    !?
    Vince....

    RE .6
    
      Let me guess. They (the real Dr. Bishop) use Ripley's
      hair from the barbershop floor as cloning material.
      RE .Alien III   , I really hated it cuz after seeing it
      the GREAT ending scene in ALIENS was now ruined knowing
      the fate in store for Newt and the surviving grunt.
    
    
     BEST line in II. "Get Away From Her..You B_tch!!!!!! "
    
    And loved the fight scene with Ripley in the LOADER suit.
    
    
    
    					Roger
    

    I am already having doubts if this guy is the "most famous" for Buffy.
    I had my movie-pick privileges suspended for weeks after I talked my
    husband into that one!!!!   I wonder if Ripley is going to have cramps
    everytime an alien is around.
    
    I do find the thought of her being cloned interesting.  I prefer to forget
    about Aliens 3.  Maybe they can clone Newt and her boyfriend too.
    
    RS

    Well, Aliens is my most favorite and coveted movie.  I have easily seen
    it 100 times and I love it more and more every time I see it.  Alien
    got me hooked, but Aliens is the cinematic love of my life.  Alien 3
    was so disappointing that I honestly considered suicide.  If Alien IV
    is bad, I'm going down and I'm taking the director with me.
    
    MJ

    
    >Maybe they can clone Newt and her boyfriend too.
    
    Newt had a boyfriend ???
    
    ric

    No, sorry, I didn't mean Newt's boyfriend.  I meant Ripley's boyfriend.
    He was originally played by Micheal Biehn (sp?).  
    
    RS

    .11
    
    ah yes. he was also Sarah Connor's boyfriend in "Terminator".
    
    who was Ripley's lover in Alien 3 ?
    
    ric

    .12
    
    Charles Dance?
    
    Clive

    I don't remember her having a boyfriend in Aliens 3---tells
    you how much I liked that one.
    
    RS

>    Charles Dance?

No - isn't he that guy who starred in "Rock" or somesuch, a Fox sitcom???

The boyfriend was the doctor if I remember rightly, who died midway in the
film... hmm... I don't know his name, but I know his face. English guy.

/scott

    Isn't Charles Dance one of the two runners in Chariots of <fill-in
    the-blank, please>?  Didn't he also die last year or the year before?
    
    Blond...english..
    
    Sue

    I believe Charles *Dutton* is the "Roc" guy, and played the largest,
    baldest black convict in "Aliens3".  It was hard to tell one actor from
    another in that film: they were all large and bald, although not all
    black.  :)
    
    
    
    kim

    Well, unless they put a Predator in it, I'll pass.
    Now that would be a movie!
    
    Both "creatures" are owned by 20th Century fox, just put them
    together in the same flick.  
    
    Bring back Ripley......Let it go fella's, Alien3 was hard to swallow
    as it was, but to bring her back!?!?!?!  Shoulda ended with 2!
    
    Rob M.

    re last few...yup, Charles Dance played the doctor.
    
    I liked the opening few minutes of Alien 3, the cutting between the
    ship and what was going on inside.  The rest was a bit of a yawn tho..
    
    mikef

>     Well, unless they put a Predator in it, I'll pass.
>     Now that would be a movie!
>     
>     Both "creatures" are owned by 20th Century fox, just put them
>     together in the same flick.  

>     Well, unless they put a Predator in it, I'll pass.
>     Now that would be a movie!
>     
>     Both "creatures" are owned by 20th Century fox, just put them
>     together in the same flick.  

If you really want this - just buy an Atari Jaguar with the game
Aliens vs. Predator...

You can be the Alien, the Predator, or a marine... played out in a
3d-view like Doom (but it's not as much of a shoot everything that
moves game... it's more strategy (like trying to get out alive!))

It's awsome being the alien and getting to coccoon a marine...  ;-)

/scott

    Dark Hose Comics had a comic book out like this. The Alien VS Predator.
    It was Ok, but I would still like to see it on the Big screen. That's
    one movie I would  go see at the movies and  pay the $$$ to get in.
    Aliens! I would love to see that Acid Blood burn a predators face Off!!
    				
    				;-0
    				 
    

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    .09 TO MJ
    
    I thought the same thing. Alien was (at that time) so frightening
    and exquisitely done....then Aliens came out  and I was scared
    WITLESS  more than in my entire life of being a sci-fi fanatic.
    
    Both these movies are considered Class A Classics.  Wasn't one
    of them considered for some catagory in the Oscars or whatever award
    back then...i'm sure I've read that somewhere...
    
    You're right, if they mess the IVth one up (the way they did the
    III (third)one  I'll spit! (acid venom)   

    Just to clarify,Ripley's "boyfriend" in Aliens was Corporal
    Hicks,played by the actor mentioned before,who was in Terminator.
    Her lover in Aliens 3 (which I liked,and so did the critics etc over
    hear in the UK),was the Doctor who was played by Charles Dance,who is
    still alive!I don't think he was in Charroits of fire?
    
    Tyrone
    

    Hello......Ripley didn't have a "boy friend" in any of the Alien
    movies!

    .26
    Actually in the first one I read that they "cut" the scenes they
    shot of her and (the guy in Picket Fences, I have a mind block 
    and can't remember his name) who were romantically involved.
    But you can see/assume that they had something going....in the movie.
    
    In the second one with Michael Biehn, Sigourney and Micheal were  
    flirting thru-out
    and Biehn also backed her up when they agreed to kill the bad guy
    (the guy from Mad about You tv series) Biehn agreed  they should
    kill him for bringing the Alien on board then all hell broke loose 
    
    I can't remember anyones name tonite for some reason....  But she
    did have a romantic interest in each of the movies...it just never
    got graphic...
    
    

     Paul reiser was the villian in Aliens. I have to disagree with you
    about a romantic interest she had. I think she was too concerned about 
    Knewt and killing the Aliens..I don't think romance ever crossed her
    mind in that picture

There was some chemistry developing between Ripley and Hicks in Aliens,
and it might have amounted to something had they not been fighting for their
lives, but it seemed to be more a matter of "hey, I respect your attitude
and see you're right about this situation, and maybe after all this is over 
we should have dinner, but let's fry those b@$^@ds first."
As done, entirely non-gratuitious character association building.

One of the beauties of Alien was the earthy nature of the ship and 
the crew's attitude.  You could believe there might be liaisons
going on among the crew, but it didn't have to be part of the story.
<what's his name> and Ripley met the stereotypes of a couple
for most movie purposes, but as they were captain and first mate, 
it would have adversely impacted their shipboard roles.  I'm glad that
cliche (the stereotype) was not played up.

And I do recall she had an involvement during �, but I can't recall with whom!

- tom]

    Tom Skerrit was the Captain in Alien and I don't recall anything from
    the movie that would lead me to believe he and Ripley were involved.  
    Certainly with Corp. Hicks there was the mutual attraction/admiration 
    thing happening...he was even willing to kill them to avoid the
    horrible end...
    
    Ripley: You'll take care of it won't you?
    Hicks:  If it comes to that, I'll do us both.
    
    ...and in Alien 3, didn't she sleep with the Doctor for ulterior motives?  
    I seem to recall something like that.  It was however, one of my biggest 
    complaints/disappointments with 3 because that seemed so very un-Ripley.
    
    MJ

    I guess after the first two movies she was in need of some nook nook. I
    think I would of been after all that she had gone through. 

    
    re .31
    
    
    No ulterior motives that I noticed.  Just a need for intimacy after all
    that she'd been through. 
    
    
    kim

    i for one didn't like Aliens - the ending was much too "Hollywood"
    
    imho Alien was much more believable and self-consistent - except Ripley
    going to rescue the cat!
    
    a bit like Terminator and Terminator 2 - Terminator 2 had the
    "Hollywood" ending
    
    ric

    re .31 
    �Tom Skerrit was the Captain in Alien and I don't recall
     anything fromthe movie that would lead me to believe he and Ripley were
     involved.
    
    I remember reading at the time the film was released that they had
    filmed a love scene between Ripley and Tom Skerrit's character (what
    was his name?) but that it was not included in the film as it
    complicated the plot.
    
    -Royston

    
    	Tom Skerritt played Dallas.
    
    	I don't remember all the differences between book/movie, since
    	it's been almost 10 years since I've read it but:
    
    	Spoiler [from the book]:
    
    
    
    	And in the book, he had been "cocooned" and Ripley blew him away
    	at his request.
    

.35>    I remember reading at the time the film was released that they had
.35>    filmed a love scene between Ripley and Tom Skerrit's character (what
.35>    was his name?) but that it was not included in the film as it
.35>    complicated the plot.
    
    Yep. Ripley walks into Skerrit's cabin and starts to strip, explaining
    to him "I need some relief". Not exactly a "love" scene.
    
      John

    
    
    i just know. 
    
    if they make it, i will go see it.
    
    
    Dave
    
    

    I hope they shoot it in wide screen toilet paper. Then maybe some use
    will be made of it. A sad & tired idea for sad & tired people.
    
    D.

    WOW! This is so good! I had no idea how many Alien fans there are
    out there...greeaat! I have watched the Director's Cut of Aliens
    so many times that I can recite whole scenes of it to my friends...
    (who thought I was crazy and noisy). Well...that was some time ago.
    Can't say I can do it word for word now...my fav line:
    
    Hudson: Game over man! Game over!!
    
    and:
    
    Ripley: Calm down. This little girl here survived without weapons
            and training.
    Hudson: Yea...why don't you put her in charge??!!
    
    hahah....dunno whether I got it right. Anyway, I hope 4 is nowhere
    like 3...all I remember was that I fell asleep watching 3 and
    I only remembered the opening scene, the alien running thru a tunnel
    and Ripley dying rather glamorously in a vat of boiling stuff like
    in Terminator. I slept on and off....
    
    Well...keep yer fingers crossed eh?
    
    

I decided to move (most of) the notes in the now ex-topic 786 to this topic,
since there was still a lot of discussion going on about the existing "Alien"
movies.

I also took the opportunity to clean out a few notes wherein things were 
getting a little out of hand.  Please, let's be civil...

Thanks for your cooperation.  Carry on with the "Alien" discussion. :-) 

-- Nina

    update to Alien 4. 
    Got it from the newsgroup.
    
    Joss Whedon is writing the script and he stated in a Cinescape article
    that Riply will indeed return as a clone. The samples of which the
    clone will be made are samples of the true Ripley after she was
    impregnated. The story will not take place on earth, due to budget
    problems. The writer stated that Ripley will have something different
    when she is brought back. She will have a telepathic/emphatic link
    to the aliens. 
    
    thats all he would say.
    
    

> .... that Riply will indeed return as a clone.

	I certainly hope they don't insult our intellegence and have the "clone"
	have the memories, personality, etc of the deceased Riply.  The clone
	should only "look" like the original ......

    If the clone extends to the Alien3 movie then the next one must be
    complete sh*te also. Here's one who won't be caught out again.
    
    Davie.

    I've read this whole stream and there's not one mention of the
    'original' Aliens� script - what it *should* have been. Is anyone
    particularly interested in seeing it?
    
    I for one go with the idea that Ripley should be dropped. It seems easy
    now for everyone to associate the Alien trilogy with Ripley, whereas
    they're missing the whole point and the whole of Giger's original idea.
    Why the hell do you think it's called Alien?! The Alien should be the
    star.... not some recloned warrant officer.
    
    And, FWIW, I go completely along with everyone who said Alien� was a
    waste of space. Have you so-called Aliens officianados heard of the
    "Seven Dwarves" Aliens� script?
    
    Cheers,
    Dan$alien_nut

    Alien was absolutely terrifying on the big screen for a bunch of kids
    who did not know what to expect or who had not heard of the movie
    before. This was nearly 15 years ago. Even the trailer did not reveal
    much and the impact of that scene where the alien bursts out of the
    man's chest was devastating, especially when you had no clue of what
    to expect. I remember that several people walked out after that scene
    as the emotional upheaval was more than they could handle.
    
    None of the sequels had this impact and while Alien III is so bad that
    it should probably be re-named, I don't think Alien IV is ever going
    to make a real difference. People who enjoyed the first two are going
    to have expectations and even if these expectations are fully met,
    there is still going to be disappointment, as the element of surprise,
    which is essential to any real horror film, will be completely absent.
    
    As some of the people have pointed out, Ripley or a clone, will only
    make it worse and it may be better off by starting off with the Aliens'
    home planet and who knows, maybe have a story line where the Aliens
    in Alien and Aliens are discarded members, weak specimens of a more,
    ferocious species on the home planet! If these are the weak ones, what
    are the really fierce Aliens like ? That should keep some people
    guessing and they should probably re-engineer the whole thing with the
    help and imagination of its original creator , HR Giger. I picked off
    some imagery of Giger off the net and the paintings are absolutely
    chilling, with a dream like quality and an eerie feel about it. 
    [ some are available for downloading from the sunset.se site ]
    
    My 2c....

    
    I read where they were going to pull a "Dallas" on Alien III. 
    
    
    
    Ripley has a really *BAD* dream, wakes up, and Alien III never
    happened.

    
    	I thought you meant that Dallas was going to be resurrected and
    	help Ripley fight the aliens in the new one.
    
    	8^)
    

    There's a SF book out that combines Aliens with Alien.  Basically, the
    hunters in Alien go capturing queens (from Aliens), breed Aliens, and
    then turn them loose on planets that they use as private hunting
    preserves.  One of the characters in the story is a human woman who
    becomes a hunter.
    
    It would make an interesting action movie, although the plot would
    be a tad thin.
    

    re -.1
    
    	I think you mean Predator and Alien...
    
    			- Jimbo
    

    >>> I think you mean Predator and Alien...
    
    Yup, you're right.
    

    
         On alien IV...the "Dallas" line is whats comming out of hollywood
    insiders. Sigourny Weaver gets only a cameo role for about a minute or
    two waking up on earth after a bad dream. Meanwhile on ripleys trip
    home, a deep venture scout ship had found the home alien planet.
         The rest of the movie is a military mission to destroy the other
    solar systems they have infected. Originally Christmas 1995 timeframe,
    now pushed out to a summer 1996 release.
    
    -john

      A friend of mine said that in Predator II, when one of the Predators
    comes back to his...home (sweet home!?), we can see a Alien's skull !??!
    I don't see the movie, so: anyone did see it ?
      A Aliens/Predators battle would be very fun, no ?
    

>      A Aliens/Predators battle would be very fun, no ?
    
Then you should buy an Atari Jaguar and play the game "Aliens Vs. Predator"
It's a 3d-shooter/adventure kinda like DOOM except you get to play a
marine, an alien, or a predator. Each character has specific goals, which
are not always "kill everything". For instance, as the marine, your main
goal is to get out alive and blow up the base - so you don't always want
to go into a room full of aliens firing away - their blood is acid 
afterall! That stuf burns!!!

/scott

      Thanx, Scott. I don't own a Jaguar, but I played to AvP in a friend's
    Atari shop. It's *great* !! (even if the scrolling is a little slow).
    To me, it's the most fabulous game (on every consoles; keep going your
    Jag'Conference). A movie will be great... But I'm dreaming...
    
      A request: does anyone has a Giger (art)book ? This guy is mad, but I
    love his pictures. I only know his aliens creation, and some pictures
    he made. I'd want to know if he released a book. Anyone knows ?

>       A friend of mine said that in Predator II, when one of the Predators
>     comes back to his...home (sweet home!?), we can see a Alien's skull !??!
>     I don't see the movie, so: anyone did see it ?

	Already discussed in the previous 90-something replies

>       A Aliens/Predators battle would be very fun, no ?

	Also discussed in the previous 90-someting replies

    The Aliens vs Predator comic book was brilliant and I thouroughly
    enjoyed reading it.  However, there is someone else who is going to go
    up against the Aliens and that's Superman.  As I live in the UK, I
    haven't heard much about this title so I don't know if it has been
    released in the US yet.  The storyline involves the loss of contact
    with a colony of some sort and Superman goes in to investigate and
    guess who he runs into?  If anyone has read this or has any
    information on it, could you please put forth some details?
              
                                           Steve
     

    
    
    
    that is a comic or book i take it??
    
    there is another Alien movie in the works..but its along the lines of
    the darkhorse comics and books like Earth Hive I believe.
    
    Chris
    :)

There is a COMICS notes file somewhere.  (Look for a pointer in the
TURRIS::EASYNET_CONFERENCES notes file.)

-- Nina (with moderator hat on)

    
    Wynona Ryder will play the part of a character named "Call" in the
    new Alien film.
    
    Weaver is back of course.
    
    The film will be directed by Danny Boyle (Shallow Grave).
    
    
    Dave
    

    According to 'Screen International', Fox want to shoot the film in
    Britain between spring and summer this year for a spring '97 release.
    However, British studio's are currently 'over flowing' with film 
    production such as Luc Besson's 'The Fifth Element', Cameron's
    'Titanic, Kubrick's 'AI' and the Star Wars prequels jostleing for
    space.
    
    Vince...

    
    latest news.
    Boyle will not be directing Alien 4.
    Budget is at 70 million.
    Since Boyle has dropped out, this has messed up the schedule.
    Getting Weaver and Ryder in the film may now be a problem due to
    scheduling conflicts.
    
    

    
    
    	Jean-Pierre Jeunet, who created 'The City Of Lost Children' and
    	'Delicatessen' , has been signed to direct 'Alien Resurrection.
    	According to this weeks 'Screen International' magazine !!
    
    	Should star Sigourney weaver and the forementioned Miss Ryder. The
    	$70 million-plus movie will roll mid September in L.A.
    
    
    	.....I just hope they don't rush production for a summer 97
    	release !! I'd sooner see an excellent fourth enstallment late fall
    	/winter, than a "Alien 3, part deux" to compete with the summer
    	blockbusters Star Wars, Titanic, Mars Attack & Men In Black etc.
    
        Hmmmmm
    
    	Vince...

    
    	I think I heard Barry Norman on Film '96 (BBC TV), say that Ryder
        would be taking the lead role in future Alien flicks ?!?!?
    
    	Or did I ?
    
    	Vince...

    
    I think they should do another third and pretend "alien 3" didn't
    happen.
    
    I.

> I think they should do another third and pretend "alien 3" didn't happen.

	gee, what a novel thought :-)

Note: 145.25
Author: 12368::michaud "Jeff Michaud, DECnet/OSI"
Topic: Alien/Aliens (II)/Alien III/Alien IV (4)
Title: Alien 3; the apology
Date: 19-MAY-1993 17:17

>    >Everything in Alien 3 a bad dream in hypersleep< - Hey, I like that idea!

	Even better, make pretend Alien 3 was never made!  They could
	bring Ms. Weaver back that way (there'd be nothing to explain
	how she survived the hot lead).

    
    You're talking from a plot point of view, I'm talking from a filmgoers
    point of view.  For me, going to see "alien 3" was a nightmare and
    didn't really happen  :^)
    
    
    I.

> You're talking from a plot point of view, I'm talking from a filmgoers
> point of view.

	Wrong.  Reread my note.  When I said:

	    "Even better, make pretend Alien 3 was never made!"

	that covered from *all* point of views (pretending only from
	a plot point of view wouldn't sell the film if us filmgoers
	don't also pretend ....)

	BTW, your DeJa Vu note said:

	    "I think they should do another third and pretend "alien 3"
	    didn't happen."

	where "they" implies "Hollywood" should "pretend", not "filmgoers"
	as you now contend :-)

	In any case, even though your thought wasn't original, at least
	we both agree what should be done to there 1st attempt at #3!

Gee, I think I can settle this once and for all......

Alien 3 just wasn't as bad as most of you report.
It wasn't as imaginitive as Alien or as action-filled as Aliens,
but it had its good points.
It WAS imaginitive and action oriented, just not up to its 
predecessors' levels.

I say "Go IV it," but don't try to put Ripley back in - I can't suspend that
level of disbelief.

- tom]

    
    
    I liked Aliens 3 too....but I didn't like the way
    they killed off the other main characters from Aliens!!
    
    As a standalone story it was o.k.
    
    
    I don't think they ever intended to go beyond that movie because
    Sigourney Weaver said she wouldn't do anymore after 3.
    
    The new stories are supposed to follow along the lines of the books
    instead. I hope they make it like  Aliens: Earth Hive
    
    that was an excellent story!!!
    
    Chris
    :)

    
    re 109.
    
    Good grief!  I was only joking....:^}
    
    
    re .111
    
    What was the comic book story where hicks and newt run up against a
    marine colonel who's trying to condition an army of aliens to fight the
    horde of aliens that have overrun earth?  That would make a good film.
    Earth hive was the follow on from that story I think.
    
    
    I.
    

    
    
    re -1
    
    
    Yeah that was all part of the same story line.
    
    The story may have been called Aliens : Genocide
    
    
    but I read the entire series so I'm not sure now.
    
    Chris
    :)

    
    Bits from the Josh Whedon script for "Alien IV: Resurrection
    from newsgroups:
    
    Sounds like it just might be the real thing:
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    major spoilers:
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Ripley comes back as a clone.She is cloned using the blood drawn
    while on the prison planet. The blood also had "alien" dna, so
    that will be part of her. She will have superhuman stregth and
    speed, as well as acidic blood. Aliens are grown from
    her parasite. They are smarter and more human.
    
    Winona Ryder plays one of a band of smugglers who contact the
    cargo ship where the alien/cloning experiments are takeing place.
    Her name is Annalee Call in the film, and she is very tough.
    With exceptional weapons knowledge. There is something about
    here that is not disclosed ( I Know but won't tell).Her band
    of smugglers are very tough group of assorted characters.
    
    The story is straightforward, an exercise in thrills and scares.
    
    There is a new queen alien, and there is a second generation
    alien. An Albino Newborn, that should be something to see.
    
    Action will be nonstop and imaginative, as well as compelling.
    The are planning an ending that will bring down the house.

A couple of these are also under .-1's spoiler warning, but
aren't really spoilers:

	Sig. Weaver is back

	Winona Ryder will co-star

	Filming to start in Sept. (Weaver is doing another project [a play]
	this summer so principle filming can't start sooner ...)

    I'd better put this lot behind a spoiler.....
    
    
    Sigourney Weaver will play the 8th clone of Ripley. The movie opens
    with scientists carrying out an autopsy on an earlier clone. As
    mentioned in previous replies, Ripley's DNA is tainted by the Alien,
    she has enhanced speed and agility and and has a telepathic link with
    the creatures.
    Winona Ryder will play the leader of a group of mercenaries who board
    passing ships, kidnap the sleeping inhabitants, and deliver them to the
    scientists to be used as hosts to the Aliens !
    Weaver and Ryder team up to stop the aliens before the ship they're on
    reaches Earth, but........
    
    Weaver has recently said that "I am absolutely sure there will be an
    'Alien 5', because I know how Alien 4 ends....I am the last person who
    thought I would do another one, but we have a wonderful script. They
    came up with the most provocative situation for Ripley to find herself
    in. It is very unexpected and will suprise a lot of people, and give me
    an interesting job."
    
    Joss Whedon says...."Ripley's cloning doesn't take up the whole movie.
    I don't whant to elaborate too much, but beyond that there is a lot of
    extreme action going on involving the aliens."
    
    The pace of the movie is clearly back to the action oriented sequel of
    James Cameron. Expect to see plenty of creatures and some serious
    firepower !!
    
    'Stop your grinnin and drop your linnen'
    
    Vince...

    
    It'll be great if we get another movie like "aliens", it's just a shame
    they had to cock up what would (potentially?) have been a great series
    with that turkey of a third movie.
    
    Here's hoping the fourth doesn't suck.
    
    
    
    I.

    Is it just me... Or did Siggy just stop shy of saying  ".... And I have
    a mortgage to pay for just like anyone else?" ?
    
    Stephen

    
    You, Beaton are a very cynical person.
    
    
    But very perceptive...:^)
    
    I.

    Does anyone know who Veronica Cartwright is?
    
    She was apparently supposed to take the lead role (as Ripley) in 
    Alien_(s)_3_4 but the directors opted for Sigourney.
    
    I don't know who Veronice is, but I'm sure they went for the right
    woman for the job....don't you?
    
    I know I'd be one of the persons flocking to see Alien 4 if and or when
    it ever comes out...

    Isn't Veronica Cartwright the girl from Lost in Space?  She must
    be 35-40ish by now...
    
    Sue

That was Angela Cartwright.

Biographical information for Angela Cartwright

Date of Birth (location) 
     9 September 1952, Cheshire, England 

Trivia 
     Sister of Veronica Cartwright 

Where are they now (career information) 
     Cartwright runs the "Rubber Boots" boutique in North      
Hollywood 

Actress filmography

   1.High School U.S.A. (1983) (TV) .... Miss D'Angelo 
   2.Scout's Honor (1980) (TV) 
   3.Beyond the Poseidon Adventure (1979) .... Theresa Mazzetti 
   4."Lost in Space" (1965) TV Series .... Penny Robinson 
   5.Sound of Music, The (1965) .... Brigitta 
   6.Lad: A Dog (1962) .... Angela 
   7."Danny Thomas Show, The" (1956) TV Series 

================

Biographical information for Veronica Cartwright

Nickname 
     Vee 

Date of Birth (location) 
     20 April 1950, Bristol, England 

Height 
     5' 8" 

Spouse 
     Richard Compton (? - ?) 

Trivia 
     Sister of Angela Cartwright 

Actress filmography


   1.Candyman: Farewell to the Flesh (1995) .... Octavia 
     ... aka Candyman 2 (1995) 
   2.Dead Air (1994) (TV) 
   3.Mirror Mirror 2: Raven Dance (1994) .... Sister Aja 
   4.It's Nothing Personal (1993) (TV) .... Barbara 
   5.Triumph Over Disaster: The Hurricane Andrew Story (1993) (TV) 
				.... Carla Hulin 
   6.Man Trouble (1992) .... Helen Dextra 
   7.Dead in the Water (1991) (TV) .... Victoria Haines 
   8.False Identity (1990) 
   9.Hitler's Daughter (1990) (TV) 
  10.Son's Promise, A (1990) (TV) .... Dorothy Donaldson 
  11.Desperate for Love (1989) (TV) .... Betty Petrie 
  12."Tanner '88" (1988) TV Series 
  13.Valentino Returns (1987) .... Pat Gibbs 
  14.Witches of Eastwick, The (1987) .... Felicia Alden 
  15.Flight of the Navigator (1986) .... Helen Freeman 
  16.Intimate Encounters (1986) (TV) .... Emily 
     ... aka Encounters in the Night (1986) (TV) 
  17.Wisdom (1986) .... Samantha Wisdom 
  18."Robert Kennedy & His Times" (1985) (mini) TV Series 
				.... Ethel Kennedy 
  19.My Man Adam (1985) .... Elaine Swit 
  20.Nightmares (1983) 
  21.Right Stuff, The (1983) .... Betty Grissom 
  22.Prime Suspect (1982) (TV) .... Janice Staplin 
  23.Big Black Pill, The (1981) (TV) 
     ... aka Joe Dancer (1981) (TV) 
  24.Guyana Tragedy: The Story of Jim Jones (1980) (TV) 
     ... aka Mad Messiah, The (1980) (TV) 
  25.Alien (1979) .... Lambert 
  26.Goin' South (1978) .... Hermine 
  27.Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1978) .... Nancy Bellicec 
  28.Bernice Bobs Her Hair (1976) (TV) .... Marjorie 
  29.Inserts (1975) .... Harlene 
  30."Daniel Boone" (1964) TV Series .... Jemima Boone ((1964-1966)) 
  31.Birds, The (1963) .... Cathy Brenner 
  32.Spencer's Mountain (1963) .... Becky Spencer 
  33.Children's Hour, The (1961) .... Rosalie 
     ... aka Loudest Whisper, The (1961) 
  34.In Love and War (1958) .... Allie O'Neill 

    Son of a gun...I didn't know they were English!!
    
    Sue

    They were born there. That doesn't mean they're English. 

    Veronica Cartwright played the other woman crew member in Alien. She
    got wicked splashed when the alien came out of John Hurt at the dinner
    table. 

    Lisa

    re -.1
    
    >>They were born there. That doesn't mean they're English.
    
    True, if you want to split hairs...
    
    I have a British passport and I wasn't born there, so it works
    both ways...
    
    Sue

>    True, if you want to split hairs...

    Yeah, I don't know if it's splitting hairs or not. Though Angela
    affected an English accent when she played an Austrian in The Sound of
    Music, neither of them has an English accent elsewhere. Could be they
    are military brats.

    Anyway...though I like Angela (and she had a decent part in one of my
    favorite fantasy movies - Flight of the Navigator), they made the
    better choice with Sigourney for the lead in Alien. 

    Lisa

    
    Get this....
    
    
    
    
    	One of the things that makes the aliens so tough is that it has
    	'total collective memory' !?
    	In other words, every alien remembers everything from  previous
    	alien's life, so it's incredibly adaptable.
    
    	Ripley's clone will remember her previous human life, but since 
    	she's only part-alien, she's not going to remember the life's
    	of ALL previous alien's, but will have some alien memories.... ??
    
    	I suppose this can only go in one direction.....
    
    		will Ripley want to stop the alien's from reaching Earth ?
    
    
    	Fox executive Jorge Saralegui says "I'm looking at this not only
    	as Alien 4, but as the 'Alien is back' movie".
    
    
    
    	Vince...

    Alien Resurrection.....
    
    Sigourney Weaver will become the third highest paid actress in
    Hollywood behind Demi Moore and Juliaagghh Roberts. She will take a
    percentage of the merchandising profits and a cool $10m.
    
    "The lucky bitch is back"
    
    
    Vince....
    

    
    Read that they are looking for an actress to play the part of 
    Ripley as a young girl.
    
      

>    Read that they are looking for an actress to play the part of 
>    Ripley as a young girl.

Hmmm. How's about (Christina ?) Ricci from Addams Family and Casper ?

Simes %^)

    
    
    RE: -1
    
    Good choice!  I'd say she'd be a good pick for the role!
    
    

    
    
    The new Alien movie has a web site with plenty  of "slides" from
    the movie.
    
    www.alien-resurrection.com