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Created:Thu Jan 28 1993
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9.0. "Bad Lieutenant" by ESGWST::RDAVIS (Associated w/drugs,gangs & infants) Fri Jan 29 1993 13:45

    Sometimes there's just nothing you want more than to watch Harvey
    Keitel stumble around nude moaning.  For those special times, it's BAD
    LIEUTENANT, Abel Ferrara's over-the-top study of cartoonish evil and
    cartoonish redemption. 
    
    <Spoilers of sorts, though it's a fairly static movie>
    
    
    
    Lt. Bad of the NYPD takes full advantage of Sin City's resources:
    
    	- Curses in front of little children
    	- Snorts coke in schoolyard
    	- Hires prostitutes for bizarre sexual acts
    	- Steals _and_ delivers drugs
    	- Smokes dope
    	- Drinks Wild Turkey 101
    	- Makes racist remarks
    	- Blasphemes in church
    	- Extorts sexual favors from teenage girls
    	- Shoots up
    	- Engages in unnecessary roughness
    and worst of all
    	- Bets against the Mets
    
    Aside from a despicable rape scene so lovingly lingered over that I
    thought it must be a fantasy sequence (this from the guy who directed
    MS. 45?), BAD LIEUTENANT can be recommended to anyone who's been
    waiting for Gilbert Hernandez to do a comic book adaptation of RAGING
    BULL.
    
    Ray
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9.1DSSDEV::RUSTMon Feb 01 1993 17:4224
    "Baaad lieutenant," said a figure that might have been God, wielding a
    rolled-up newspaper.
    
    [I thought this film was trying to go over the top in too many
    directions at once, kinda like when you push the ice cream into the
    root beer too fast, and the resulting dramatic-but-messy chemical
    reaction leaves you with nothing in your glass... No, wait, it's too
    icky to be in any way compared to a root-beer float. Let me work on
    it.]
    
    Anyway, I laughed in places and <urk!>ed in places and went "Awwwww!"
    at the one scene depicting any sort of human warmth and caring
    <described on request for those who didn't think there were any>, but
    (how can I put this?) I don't think I'll be picking up the video.
    (Admittedly, Harvey's character in this movie looked even worse by
    comparison to his heart-on-his-sleeve portrayal in "Reservoir Dogs" (a
    much more light-hearted movie all around).)
    
    [Ah, got it. "It was trying to go over the top in too many directions at
    once, like pieces of popcorn spilling out over the seats and becoming
    one with those indescribable patches of stickiness on the theater
    floor." Ebert, read it and weep.]
    
    -b
9.212368::michaudJeff Michaud, DECnet/OSIWed Aug 25 1993 01:588
	FWIW, there is two versions of this film available on
	video, one NC-17 (running time 96 minutes) and a
	rated R version (running time 91 minutes).

	Harvey did put in a very good performance but the
	movie itself was mediocore overall (the others viewing
	this with me both gave it thumbs down).  .0 sums
	up the movie pretty good :-)
9.3Is he really that decrepit in real life?ASDG::GASSAWAYInsert clever personal name hereMon Mar 07 1994 10:4120
    
    I finally taped a copy of this with the soundtrack intact.  I found the
    movie to make more sense with dialogue than without.
    
    I found lots of moral dilemmas presented in the film, like, were
    the two boys in the beginning Harvey Keitel's kids, or were they the
    two girls that went to church with him?  Why didn't his wife or mother
    in law seem the least bit fazed about "Daddy coming home after two
    days smelling of alcohol and women, with track marks running up his
    arms"?  If Harvey Keitel was REALLY this bad, how did he live to middle
    age?  Why wasn't his car ever vandalized?  
    
    And I couldn't help but think of Stanley Kowalski during the church
    apparition scene.  After about the fifth "I'm ssssssooooooorrrryyyyyy"
    all I could think of was "Steeeeeellllllllaaaaaaa"......
    
    And wasn't it really obvious that everything bad that happened to him
    was because he had no faith in the home team?
    
    Lisa
9.4how revolting can a person be?VAXWRK::STHILAIREi&#039;d fix it but I don&#039;t know howMon Mar 07 1994 11:018
    I thought Harvey Keitel's character was so over-the-top bad as to be
    funny, and that nude scene takes the cake.  (Definitely not something
    to swoon over on lonely nights.)
    
    Can anybody be *all* bad?  Yes!  The Bad Lieutenant can!  :-)
    
    Lorna
    
9.5this is where it all happens38814::BEAUPREDuck and CoverMon Mar 07 1994 11:434
    I just saw him as being totally immersed in the wonder of popular
    culture -- not bad, just determined. After all, he does show a 
    modicum of "warmth" in the presence of those who have somehow
    managed to be uncorrupted.    
9.690 minutes in Hell, in close-up54291::GARLICK_NTue Mar 08 1994 02:1413
    I read an interview with Abel Ferrara, the director, who pointed out
    that nobody gets to be a police lieutenant by accident: you have to
    earn the rank. So I think that what we have here is somebody who went
    off the rails *in* middle age, who'd bought a house and raised a family
    and then couldn't take it. If this is the case, then maybe his family
    just didn't *want* to see what was happening in front of them. Maybe
    they thought they had too much to lose by complaining. Or maybe they 
    had simply found a way to live around him. If I remember the film
    correctly, the looks his sister-in-law (?) gave him said that she knew
    exactly what was going on, but since she didn't have anywhere else to
    go, she couldn't say anything.
    
    Nick 
9.7My lengthy review of BL23989::POGARMovie Critic-Costner SpecialistWed Mar 09 1994 09:28215
    	 Since we're discussing BAD LIEUTENANT here, I'd like to run the
     following text as my opinion/analysis of the film. 
    
     	 I chose BAD LIEUTENANT for an explication in an English class 
     I took last semester. After viewing both the NC-17 and R rated 
     versions (totaling 4 times), and having discussions with several 
     people about the movie, I came up with some interesting parallels 
     between the life of the Lieutenant and the life of Jesus. For those 
     who might be offended, I apologize and recommend that you hit NEXT 
     UNSEEN. 
     
     	 My personal feelings about this movie probably differ from 
     just about everyone else in this notesfile; there may be very 
     few people to agree with me. I found BAD LIEUTENANT to be an 
     outstanding movie, one of the best I've seen in many years. 
     Keitel's performance was absolutely believable to me (having 
     grown up as a Catholic); many of the feelings the Lieutenant 
     experiences are similar to what many of my childhood/early 
     adulthood memories of what "bad" people say, think, do, and are.
     
     	 For me, BAD LIEUTENANT has a highly moralistic, almost 
     Christian-like message woven within the storyline. The scene in 
     the church actually had me crying, not only for Keitel's 
     character but also because of my own religious experiences and
     feelings.
     
     *****/*****
     
     Catherine
     
     (P.S. I wouldn't mind some feedback on my writing, either; if someone
     wants to comment, please SEND/AUTHOR.)
     
     Fair warning - major spoiler interpretation ahead:

    
         
    				ONE MAN'S HELL
    
     	 Gambler. Thief. Junkie. Killer. Cop. These are words used by 
     Lt. Productions, Inc. to describe its 1992 movie, Bad Lieutenant. 
     And Bad Lieutenant is bad indeed. It has excessive usage in all 
     censorship considerations: violence, nudity, sex, language, and 
     drugs. The movie garnered an NC-17 rating, and justifiably so. 
     Although the occurrences are extreme in one direction ("bad"), 
     the analogy that is present throughout the film is one which 
     parallels the life of the Lieutenant (whose name is never 
     mentioned) and the life of Jesus Christ. When the viewer watches 
     the movie for the first time, there are so many simultaneous 
     activities that the allegory may not seem apparent. However, a 
     turning point late in the movie allows the viewer to recognize 
     the similarities between the two lives and the fact that the 
     Lieutenant is a Messiah figure.  Harvey Keitel gives an 
     outstanding, career-making performance as the Lieutenant, and 
     with his portrayal the character becomes real.
     
     	 The beginning of the film shows the Lieutenant as a family 
     man, the dutiful father, taking his two sons to school. As soon 
     as the children are dropped off and out of sight, the cocaine is 
     brought out, and the Lieutenant snorts a bit of it while driving 
     out of the school zone and follows his act with a couple of swigs 
     from his whiskey flask. It is while the Lieutenant is driving 
     that the viewer realizes there is a secondary story within the 
     movie: the baseball playoff games between the New York Mets and 
     the Los Angeles Dodgers. The Lieutenant has bet fifteen thousand 
     dollars on the third game of the series, and the outcome of each 
     playoff game is his primary motivation to get things done. 
     
     	 The Lieutenant meets with his policeman buddies at a crime 
     scene and, rather than discuss the crime, asks them to pool their 
     money with him and bet on the Mets. The friends do not know that 
     the Lieutenant is placing the bet on the Dodgers to win. It is 
     with this incident that the Lieutenant appears to be like Judas, 
     betraying his friends who place their faith in him. The 
     Lieutenant leaves the crime scene, only to begin his fall into the 
     self-destructive path that winds throughout the movie.
     
     	 His first stop is at a drug dealer's apartment building, 
     where he "sells" cocaine to a dealer, cocaine that has been 
     stolen from the police department's evidence lab. The sale is 
     made, and the Lieutenant goes on to the next episode in his 
     despicable cycle, but not before the baseball game is finished. 
     His beloved Dodgers have lost the game, and he turns to two 
     women, along with drugs and alcohol, for consolation. The scenes 
     with the women show the Lieutenant in a drunken stupor. He 
     continues to drink to drown his pain, then uses cocaine to 
     further the numbness. The effects of the drugs and alcohol begin 
     to wear off as the Lieutenant is summoned to duty: a Catholic 
     church has been desecrated, with a nun raped on the altar during 
     the process.
     
     	 The Lieutenant arrives at the church and snorts coke before 
     he leaves his car. He dilutes his dirty deed by taking a sip from 
     his flask again as he walks up the church steps. Inside the 
     church, the Lieutenant becomes the dutiful man again, calling 
     upon his Catholic background to help him realize the severity of 
     the crime. He lies down beside a broken statue of Mary, closes 
     his eyes, and tries to block out the pain he feels, both for 
     himself and, uncharacteristically, for the victim of the crime. 
     This time, the Lieutenant does not discuss the ballgame with his 
     friends, for he has no friends here and can only listen to the 
     interrogation of the nun. He can barely contain his rage when 
     leaving the church and seeks out a junkie friend for further help 
     in handling his dilemma. 
     
     	 The Lieutenant is clearly in denial. His glazed look and 
     babbling noises show that he is out of control and does not know 
     what he must do. His despair is momentarily relieved when the 
     junkie, who also happens to be a nurse, administers a cocaine 
     injection to him. Again the pain subsides and feelings of 
     invincibility return to the Lieutenant. He believes that nothing, 
     no one, can hurt him or stop him.
     
     	 The Lieutenant once again returns to his dutiful father role 
     with his attendance at his daughter's first communion. There, he 
     is approached by the bookie's middle man, trying to collect on 
     the Lieutenant's bet. The Lieutenant wants his wager to continue 
     to "ride," even though he is losing.  Reluctantly, the middleman 
     allows the request. By this time, the size of the Lieutenant's 
     bet has reached sixty thousand dollars.
     
     	 The movie continues in this manner, with the Lieutenant 
     trapped in an ongoing descent into hell: investigate the crime, 
     get high, get low, bet on the games, lose the bet, bet again, 
     lose again, losing, losing losing, losing. He must descend to the 
     lowest point possible before he can rise above his problems. The 
     pattern he is following closely parallels Jesus' last few days on 
     earth as man. Jesus, too, had to reach the lowest point in His 
     life -- when He was tempted at Gethsemane -- before He could be 
     offered as a sacrifice to His heavenly Father. The difference 
     here is that although Jesus was tempted, He did not give in to 
     the temptations. The Lieutenant succumbs to everything; his 
     primary focus in life is to seize pleasure anywhere and 
     everywhere that he can, and he thinks nothing of bringing people 
     down to his level in order to enhance his own enjoyment. Whenever 
     he is tempted, he gives in. To him, there are no consequences; 
     anything bad can always be blocked or numbed. When the Lieutenant 
     is on a cocaine high, or an alcohol high, or a sexual high, he 
     can close his eyes and enter his own little world, not to be 
     disturbed by anyone or anything. The Lieutenant shows his 
     invincible feeling when he states, "No one can kill me. I'm 
     blessed. I'm a f****** Catholic." But the Lieutenant's 
     responsibilities in the real world always snap him out of his 
     self-inflicted daze.
     
     	 The nun's rape continues to be on the Lieutenant's mind. 
     Toward the end of the movie, he returns to the church, where he 
     finds the nun praying the rosary at the altar. He approaches her 
     from behind, then decides to kneel next to her at the altar. The 
     Lieutenant begs the nun to tell him who raped her. She knows who 
     did it -- two boys in the church school whom she has forgiven: 
     "But I have already forgiven them. . . . I forgive them."  The 
     Lieutenant pushes the sister to the limit, questioning her right 
     to forgive the boys for their crime. Her reasoning was that she 
     could "turn bitter semen into fertile sperm. . . . to turn hate 
     into love . . . to save their souls." Then, almost seeming to be 
     a planned exit, the nun poses a scenario to the Lieutenant: "Talk 
     to Jesus. Pray. You do believe in God, don't you? That Jesus 
     Christ died for your sins?" With that remark, the nun places her 
     rosary in the Lieutenant's hands and walks out of the church, not 
     uttering another word, nor staying to observe the Lieutenant's 
     reaction.
     
     	 It is at this low point in the Lieutenant's life that he 
     realizes how bad a person he is. He now wants to do some good for 
     someone, somewhere, if only to vindicate the nun's rape. He gazes 
     at the crime location, in front of him on the altar. Then he 
     falls to his knees, crying and wailing, eyes closed. When they 
     open, a still, statuelike image of Jesus Christ stands several 
     feet in front of the Lieutenant. The image is so real to the 
     Lieutenant that he cries out, "What am I going to do? You stand 
     there and want me to say every f****** thing? You stand there -- 
     where were You? Where were You?" Then he realizes that his chance 
     for salvation, total redemption from all of his sins, is standing 
     before him. The Lieutenant is now face-to-face with Jesus and is 
     asking for help. He cries out loud, "I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm so 
     sorry. I did so many bad things." The Lieutenant weeps more 
     loudly as he crawls to the Christ figure, begging for 
     forgiveness. Once again, there is a correlation between these 
     circumstances and those in Jesus' life. Jesus cried out, "Father, 
     why have you forsaken me?" just before He died on the cross. When 
     the Lieutenant reaches the image, he falls forward to kiss the 
     nail-wounded feet of his Father. When the Lieutenant looks up, an 
     old Negro woman is standing in front of him with a chalice that 
     was stolen from the church at the time of the rape. She knows 
     where the chalice came from and wants to lead the officer to the 
     boys who stole it.
     
     	 As the Lieutenant leaves the church, the final game of the 
     playoffs is playing in the background. He locates the boys, 
     handcuffs them, then sits down on their couch to watch the rest 
     of the game. He even shares a drug pipe with them. As the game 
     ends, the sportscaster announces that the Mets have won the 
     series, and with their victory, all of the Lieutenant's hope is 
     lost. The only way he can redeem himself is to give up his life 
     for someone else. Jesus went to the cross and gave up His life 
     for everyone's sins. Now the Lieutenant has to make the same kind 
     of decision. He drives to the local bus station, escorts the two 
     boys toward a bus, and hands them thirty thousand dollars, money 
     he had borrowed from one of his dealers in order to place his 
     baseball bets. With much agony, the Lieutenant turns away from 
     the bus, wailing loudly. His cries diminish to barely audible 
     sobs as he returns to his car and begins the drive back to his 
     Gethsemane, where his killers await his arrival. 
     
     	 In the end, the Lieutenant looks at his life and realizes 
     that he cannot undo anything that has occurred. The only way to 
     his salvation is by giving someone a new life, much as Christ 
     sacrificed His life for mankind. The Lieutenant's life is so 
     despicable, so incapable of being made worthy, that he gives up 
     his life in order to become a new person. As evil as he is, the 
     Lieutenant finds it in his heart, upon the forgiveness of Jesus, 
     to leave this world by enabling the two boys to get new starts in 
     life. 
     
9.8Skip it5315::CLARKWed Jun 01 1994 22:431
    Saw it on video. Once was too much.
9.9No British VCert.42662::WILLIAMSMBorn to grepWed Aug 17 1994 13:103
    can't see it on video,  BBFC thinks its bad for me.  
    
    regards, Michael.
9.10POLAR::WAUCAUSHMon Jun 03 1996 21:513
    It's not that's bad for you, it's that it's just a bad movie!!!
    
    
9.11Feelbad of the highest orderEVMS::HALLYBFish have no concept of fireTue Jun 04 1996 09:263
    I was really depressed after watching this movie.
    
    Maybe it's time to watch it again.
9.12Bad MovieHOTLNE::SHIELDSWed Dec 04 1996 00:267