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Title:Martial Arts: Karate, Kung-Fu, TKD, Aikido
Moderator:VAXUUM::KEEFE
Created:Wed Feb 26 1986
Last Modified:Wed Jun 04 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:808
Total number of notes:11723

643.0. "Kenpo or Kempo" by ALFVS2::RUTLEDGE () Mon Oct 12 1992 13:36

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643.1I think _KeMpo_ is a more generic termDWOVAX::STARKGot an Opus attitudeMon Oct 12 1992 14:3826
643.2lost in the mist of tineVAXUUM::KEEFEMon Oct 12 1992 17:0211
643.3Fist Law ?DWOVAX::STARKGot an Opus attitudeMon Oct 12 1992 17:3615
643.4Japanese constitution has the same problemVAXUUM::KEEFEMon Oct 12 1992 20:4529
643.5Thanks for the infoALFVS2::RUTLEDGETue Oct 13 1992 14:541
643.6Farkas and CorcoranDWOVAX::STARKGot an Opus attitudeTue Oct 13 1992 16:0710
643.728300::RICHARDJBluegrass, Music Aged To PurfekchunTue Oct 13 1992 18:329
643.11One of the KeMpos, Shorinji Kempo ...DWOVAX::STARKFish of the day is scrodThu Oct 15 1992 13:40116
643.12Universal Kempo KarateCOOKIE::MUNNSdaveWed Jan 22 1997 17:515
643.13the mother of all kenpo/kempo pagesVAXUUM::KEEFEThu May 29 1997 14:5848
    I happened upon:
    
    http://www.tracyskarate.com/faq/faq_kenpo.html
    
    and                            /faq1.html
    
    ..in which Will Tracy of Tracy brothers fame goes on at truly
    extraordinary length about the kempo/kenpo distinction, which he 
    refers to as Kenpo's number one controversy. (!)
    
    It is such a shameless mix of useful information and utter crap
    that I couldn't resist sending him e-mail.
    
    His distinction is made simply, between those who say:
    
    kenpo  -  are literate and know Japanese "grammar"
    
    kempo  -  are ignorant, arrogant, know little about the Japanese
              language... et cetera.
    
    I noted examples of the use of m in words like telegram (dempo),
    and constitution (kempo) in two reference texts I had at hand, and
    said it is just a feature of the famous Hepburn system of 
    romanization. Ken or kem are not "right" or "wrong", just from
    different systems. 
    
    Historically the Hepburn system is passe now, so you can make a 
    guess that any such usage was made more than twenty years ago. 
    
    Gunma prefecture, north of Tokyo for example, used to be commonly
    written "Gumma". So if you see Gumma on a map or something, it's 
    probably an older text.
    
    I pointed out some other errors, (the kana versions all say "kenbo"
    in his examples, the common mistake "romanji").
    
    To my surprise he replied to my mail and asked if I would like to take
    over ownership of that page for them. Yikes, I don't think so.
    
    In terms of pure sociological interest though, Tracy's version of
    the rise of American Kenpo ( same URL as above  /kv1.html) is
    fascinating, convoluted reading. The baloney and petty squabbles
    among the various factions, about the lineage of kenpo, is amazing.
    It's got Mormons, patches on the wrong lapel, accusations of invented
    rank, sashes/belts, betrayals. Way off track from what I ever thought 
    should be important in martial arts, but a terrific read. Krazy! 
    
    Neil   
643.14Sounds like Dave LowryCUJO::PADILLAThu May 29 1997 15:0514
    It sounds like he has gotten the Dave Lowry syndrome.  Dave Lowry does
    editorials for a  couple of the MA publications.  The gist of his
    message is; if anybody doesn't understand all Japanese language
    intricacies as well as  he feels he does, or if somebody is doing
    something innovative that breaks any sort of tradition then these
    people are obviously some kind of cretins.  Ironically, he sometimes
    uses Judo and Aikido in his examples which would not exist if not for
    some people deviating from tradition (relatively recently , I might
    add) and developing their own arts.  Oh well, I suppose it's time to
    step down from my soapbox.
    
    
    Ernie
    
643.15good thing nobody reads anymoreVAXUUM::KEEFEWed Jun 04 1997 10:086
    Now he's gone and put my name on the page, thanking me and entering
    part of my mail message in the middle of it.
    
    He doesn't seem to realize, though, that what I said exactly
    contradicts the point he is trying to make. Oi, I give up.