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Conference 7.286::vxt

Title:VXT 2000 X Windows Terminal
Notice:** Customer problems: use IPMT please **
Moderator:HANNAH::CBOUDREAU
Created:Wed Mar 21 1990
Last Modified:Fri May 23 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2041
Total number of notes:7910

2030.0. "VXT 2000+-loading fonts from VMS?" by 23329::NOELGESMUNDO () Tue Feb 04 1997 06:14

    Hello!
    
    
    We have a customer who has several VXT 2000+ all running an application
    from a SUN server. These xterms were intended to boot from an ALpha or
    VAX running VMS but arrived with 8 mb of memory only. We loaned an
    Infoserver so they can use said xterms while we wait for the additional
    memories. With the infoserver, the xterms are able to run the SUN
    application with no problem (fonts=LUBA*)
    
    As soon as the memories arrived, we installed VXT 2.1H on their
    Alpha/VMS and configured the xterm to boot from it. It was able to boot
    but we could 'not' load the fonts using tftp (UCX) although there are
    no errors reported. We then installed VXT on the VAX using the same
    procedure and we were able to load the fonts (about 500 items). We
    found out that the font files on the VAX have the file extension
    DECW$FONT while ALpha have PCF. I think the xterm is looking for files
    with extension DECW$FONT on the Alpha hence no font was loaded because
    there are none.
    
    Alpha has more than 1000 fonts and so is the Infoserver. How can we
    load the Alpha fonts to the xterm? Is it possible to copy the fonts
    from the Infoserver and load thm on the VAX or Alpha where the xterm
    can download it from?
    
    We have read from the Notesfile (VXT) that PCF is supported by VXT
    2000+; how is this done? We want to take back our Infoserver but we
    could not do it until the fonts required by their application are
    loaded to the xterm from either the VAX or Alpha.
    
    Any suggestions will be appreciated.
    
    
    Thanks.
    
    Noel Gesmundo
    MCS/Digital Equipment Filipinas
    Philippines 
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2030.1Use LAT as a workaround (or alternative)ZUR01::JAUNINwww2000: click and dispairThu Feb 06 1997 05:0044
Ok, several questions and also answers:

    >>We then installed VXT on the VAX using the same
    >>procedure and we were able to load the fonts (about 500 items).

Are you saying that your're load the fonts from the VAX via TFTP and everything
works? 

    >>It was able to boot
    >>but we could 'not' load the fonts using tftp (UCX)

I'm not very familiar with TFTP under UCX. Could it be that TFTP also uses the
logical DECW$XTERMINAL_FONT (= "DECW$SYSCOMMON:[SYSFONT.DECW.*]") ? If you are
starting Xterminal support under DECwindows (System logical
"DECW$INSTALL_XTERMINAL" = "TRUE") and @SYS$STARTUP:DECW$STARTUP XTERMINAL will
create this logical and the DECW$FD (font deamon) process. 

The DECW$FD is used if you are using LAT to download the fonts. So try to use
LAT to download the fonts as a workaround or alternative.

    >>We have read from the Notesfile (VXT) that PCF is supported by VXT
    >>2000+;

Yes they are, and I _know_ that there aren't any problems downloading them via
LAT.

    >>I think the xterm is looking for files
    >>with extension DECW$FONT on the Alpha hence no font was loaded because
    >>there are none.

I don't know the mechanism, but I think it does not depend what file extension
the files have you try to download. I think it more uses a directorypath to find
the files to download.

    >>Is it possible to copy the fonts
    >>from the Infoserver and load thm on the VAX or Alpha where the xterm
    >>can download it from?

I think not. InfoServer has a special way (font sets) to serve the fonts. The
other way 'round is possible: To build a font set on the InfoServer with fonts
from a host system.

Hope this helps a bit...
andre
2030.2LAT on Alpha.23329::NOELGESMUNDOTue Feb 11 1997 06:4125
    Thanks Andre for the reply.
    
    We have loaded the fonts from the VAX using tftp but the fonts required
    by their application were not available. Using tftp, we tried to load
    the fonts from the Alphaserver but VXT 2000 reported 'no fonts loaded'.
    This is inspite of following the exact procedure done in the VAX.
    
    Just the other day, we tried LAT in downloading the fonts by providing
    the fonts directory in the VXT's fonts manager, one line per directory
    and only the fonts from the first directory were loaded.
    
    We plan to do test again tomorrow in Alpha using LAT by defining DECW$FONT to
    SYS$COMMON:[SYSFONT.DECW.*] and using DECW$FONT in the VXT's fonts
    manager. If this does not work, we will copy all the other font files
    to SYS$COMMON:[SYSFONT.DECW.100DPI] and create a new FONTS.DIR to
    include all fonts. Alpha has more fonts than VAX has and these include
    the fonts required by the customer's application.    
    
    Do you have other suggestion? The customer has already bought some Sun
    wokrstations that do the same jobs as the VXT and has no more plans to
    buy VXTs in the future because of this problem.
    
    Regards.
    
    Noel
2030.3latZUR01::JAUNINwww2000: click and dispairTue Feb 11 1997 10:2821
First of all, VXT has been end of live for more than one year now...

As I said I don't have/had -and I never heard of- any problems downloading fonts
via LAT from VAX or AXP.

I have over 500 Fonts in all (around 4 I think) the directories under
SYS$COMMON:[SYSFONT.DECW.*]...

I never used a path. I just made shure that DECW$FD process was running, so the
logical also was defined. At the VXT just choose "LAT", "HOST" (LAT service
name) and "default path". Make shure that the Host is reachable via LAT - create
LAT DECterm...

In the Message Window of the VXT you will see what happens when downloading the
fonts. See also the SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]DECW$DWT_FONT_DAEMON_OUTPUT.LOG for any
errors if it fails.

andre