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Conference 7.286::pet_birds

Title:Captive Breeding for Conservation--and FUN!
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Moderator:VIDEO::PULSIFER
Created:Mon Oct 10 1988
Last Modified:Tue Jun 03 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:942
Total number of notes:6016

558.0. "My Birds Had a Battle!" by JVAX::SIPILA (Can I go home now?) Thu Jun 06 1991 12:24

    My birds had a fight two weeks ago Monday!!!!!!!!
    
    I really don't blame either one of them.  Maggie (the female)
    constantly picked on Max (the  male) who is her brother and cage-mate.
    
    I guess Max finally had enough and let her have it unmercifully!
    
    When we got home - lucky we did go home early that day - Maggie
    was sitting on the watercup badly beaten, eyes glazed and traumatized!
    
    My husband reached into the cage and removed her and the watercup
    into another cage.  When she saw his hand coming toward her she
    peeped two little mournful peeps as if to say, "Help me!" 
    
    I am happy to report she is recovering and her feathers are growing
    back.  He pecked her around the eyes, under the neck, and her back.
    This was no courtship - Max just lost his cool and ripped away at her.
    
    They are inseperable - being together all their lives.  If one cage
    is moved out of view of the other they start squacking!  They bathed
    together, ate together, and slept together.  
    
    Now, when Maggie gets completely feathered out again - should I
    try and put them together again?  
    
    I thpught of getting a cage with a divider in it, so that when we
    are at work, they could be separated.
    
    What have some of you people done in instances like this. 
    
    It is so pitful to hear them talking to each other through the cage
    bars.  I put the cages close together so they can atleast see each
    other.
    
    Yup, they are spoiled brats!!  By the way, they are tiny, little
    Zebra finches!               
    
    Thanks for everyone's advice!
    
    Regards,
    
    Susan
    
    By the way, "It ain't easy bein' a mother bird!"
    
    
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558.1Calling Rita Tillson.......CLOSET::COMPTONLinda DTN381-0687 ZKO1-2/C21Thu Jun 06 1991 14:496
    Sounds like one wanted to breed and the other one didn't.....I'll
    bet Rita Tillson could help.  Rita, are you out there?
    
    (she knows a lot about finches)
    
    Linda
558.2Fresh MYGUY::LANDINGHAMMrs. KipSun Jun 09 1991 20:419
    I read .1 and wanted to make a smart comment... but I won't!  8^) 
    Anyway, good thing you do have a second cage.  
    
    My two *HATED* each other (cockies) when I first put them together. 
    Got a bigger cage and started resocialization all over again.  Worked
    fine and they never really fought again.
    
    Rgds,
    marcia
558.3too little space?MEIS::CLUSTERMon Jun 17 1991 13:2371
    
    Hi,
    
    This is Rita (MEIS::TILLSON) - I've been on vacation, and I'm currently
    NOTING from my cluster account due to a disk problem on MEIS...
    
    Anyway...
    
    Most zebra finches are *extremely* social creatures, (to the point where
    a single zebra may become depressed and fall ill from having no
    companionship) and fighting between zebra finches is almost ALWAYS a
    sign of environmental stress. 
    
    FIRST, all finches need SPACE, SPACE, SPACE.  They need more than you'd
    think for their tiny size.  The little 1'x1' cages sold in pet stores
    as "finch cages" tend to be woefully inadequate.  I use these cages as
    quarantine cages - and never keep any finches in them for longer than
    60 days.  I also use them as holding cages and transport cages for
    young budgies just removed from their parents and being socialized. 
    They may even serve as semi-permanent homes for small hookbills -
    budgies, lovebirds, parrotlets - PROVIDED that the birds are given most
    of the day out of their cages and only use them for eating/sleeping
    space.  However, finches housed in these on a permanent basis will
    FIGHT and pick at each other.  They will also exhibit this behavior in
    any size round cage - lack of corners seems to make them feel insecure.
    
    I can always tell when I need to remove birds from my big flight cages
    - when they get overcrowded they start pecking each other.
    
    The minimum size cage for a pair of finches OF ANY KIND is 30" long, 1
    foot deep, and 18" high.  Finches get their exercise by flying (not
    climbing, as many hookbills do) and need space to fly and stretch their
    wings.  Bigger is even better, and some of the more delicate and
    particular species need more space for breeding than some medium-sized
    hookbills!
    
    The good news is that finches don't chew like hookbills, so if you're
    handy, you can build nice flights out of plywood (painted with a
    nontoxic, lead-free paint and left to dry for several weeks) and
    1/2x1/4" or 1/4x1/4" hardware cloth attached with a staple gun, or made
    of hardware cloth alone and assembled with j-clips.  This is usually
    much less expensive than purchasing premade caging, and can be as large
    and elaborate as your time/creativity/budget allows.  I've seen some
    lovely aviary/flight cages for finches that were as lovely as any
    formal furniture, so if you're handy, go nuts!  Just be VERY careful
    that there are no tiny spaces where your birds can catch their feet,
    especially if they are banded.  I have a couple of babies that were
    among the first I started banding, that now are "stumpy one-footers",
    having lost feet to inadequate cage design.
    
    Your finches may also benefit by a choice of nesting/sleeping quarters
    (2-3 nest baskets per pair, at various spots in the cage), camouflage
    in their cage (a silk spider plant hung in the center of the cage can
    work wonders - real spider plants or other non-toxic foliage is ok,
    too, but takes much more work!) and multiple natural branch perches,
    multiple feed, water, bathing, and treat dishes will eliminate
    feeding/bathing competition.
    
    Also be sure that their diet is adequate - basic seed, clean water,
    millet sprays, greens and vegetables, and chopped hardboiled egg are
    all good, plus vitamins or supplements like Petamine can help.
    
    The only other thing to check is that they are receiving adequate light
    - at least 10 hours/day, 12 is better still.  Fluorescent lights will
    do, but natural spectrum fluorescents such as Vitalites are better
    still.
    
    Good luck, and let us know how it goes...
    
    						/Rita