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Conference oass::racers

Title:Racers and Racing
Notice:As long as it's not NASCAR or F1 or Drags...
Moderator:RHETT::BURDEN_D
Created:Tue Aug 08 1995
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:391
Total number of notes:4486

229.0. "Protests" by VANTEN::MITCHELLD (............<42`-`o>) Wed Oct 31 1990 05:55

	Should one issue a formal protest at a race meeting rather trying to
persuade fellow competitors that they should conform to the rules.
  I'm in this situation. I protested to the club rather than the governing body
and now I'm the social pariah  who gets his car looked at very closely and
has to justify his actions to all and sundry ( A continous JP&R if you
like).
	My point of view was "The cars must conform to rules"
"The competitor cant just decide which rules they are going to ignore"

	The rules that are broken have included...

(1)	Brake lights ( not connected or disabled by dashboard switch)
(2)	Head lights (not in a functional position RACMSA) 
(3)	Wheel rims size ( exceeding the width CLUB)
(4) 	Alternators ( not fitting them  RACMSA )
(5) 	Ground clearance... ( having less than required CLUB)
(6) 	Tyre Tread ( less the mininmum tread in the RACMSA rules)

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229.1step 1OASS::BURDEN_DHe's no fun, he fell right overWed Oct 31 1990 08:0015
Make sure you car is up to spec and if the competitors don't change with
a few friendly hints, then file the protest.

If they start tearing your car apart more frequently then the cars that have 
been cheating, ask them why and possibly protest that action to the next
step up.  You should not be penalized by trying to get the race stewards to
enforce their own rules.

The other alternative, is that of everyone is doing something against the rules,
look and see if the rules need to be changed.

Yes, it can get nasty, but it's your club too and you're paying your money for
fair competition, just like everyone else.

Dave
229.2reality vs. specsBEING::MCCULLEYRSX ProWed Oct 31 1990 11:4023
    remember though, there's written rules and unwritten rules.  You may
    want to consider treading lightly as you get familar with the
    organizational environment and the pecking order.  If you're the new
    kid on the block, trying to change an entire social order may prove
    unrealistic.  If the club is large enough and not just a clique you'll
    have a better chance, if it is small and ingrown you probably can't win
    (except by joining the in-group).
    
    Major issue about rules is whether they are enforced equitably, as far
    as I'm concerned.  Written and/or unwritten rules must be applied
    equally to all concerned in order to provide a level playing field. 
    Beyond that, look at common practice as the de facto standard.  Also
    look at the significance of the rules, if they really don't have any
    effect on competition then protests will (probably correctly) be viewed
    as just for hassle effects.  If there is a competitive effect but all
    competitors are allowed the same latitude then you'll be extremely
    unpopular trying to protest the entire field.
    
    Learn the way your particular sandbox works.  If it's fair, you've got
    as good a deal as you could ask for, regardless of how reality conforms
    to the documentation.  If not, good luck changing it - if you can't
    change it you may have to pick up your toys and look for another place
    to play.
229.3history...VANTEN::MITCHELLD............<42`-`o>Fri Nov 02 1990 05:089
 This entire championship has come in for a lot of stick for lax standards
which have been published in the Club rag. 
	Letters have been sent by the RACMSA (governing body) to the club to
clean up. However no action has been taken. 
	I am not the first to create a fuss just the first to start
protesting.


				Derek
229.4Not level fieldVANTEN::MITCHELLD............<42`-`o>Fri Nov 02 1990 05:3610
 removing brake lights favours the more expereinced and the rich.

 The gearbox regs prohibit "Professional racing gearboxes e.g. Hewland"
 This has been interpreted as Mid-engined cars cant use the cheap option.
yet front engined cars can use Quaife close ratio straight cut sets in
standard casings.

	I'm now looking for a Renault 25 box.....

But this is only one of several issues with the rules and their enforcement.
229.5Scrutineering issuePCOJCT::MILBERGI was a DCC - 3 jobs ago!Fri Nov 02 1990 07:3123
    It seems that most of the items listed in .0 would have been noticed in
    tech/scrutineering.
    
    Does the club perform this function or not?  Maybe it should be
    discussed with the Chief of Tech.
    
    Sounds similar to the SCCA vs. IMSA 'philosophy' - an example:
    
    (Years ago, when I was involved as crew) SCCA tech used to check
    everything, including the drivers underwear (fireproof?) while IMSA
    tech was cursory, not even openng the hood (bonnet).
    
    
    We almost got t-shirts made up:
    
    	front - SCCA 'wheel'
    		  RULES
    
    	back -  IMSA 'logo'
    		  RACING
    
    -Barry-
    
229.6Yes racing is the thing but.....VANTEN::MITCHELLD............<42`-`o>Mon Nov 05 1990 05:078
New guys are arriving with the battery strapped down in the passenger/driver
space with no box around it.
if it breaks the driver will get covered in acid. Other guys have fuel
breathers that will dump fuel if the car turns over. 
	The ommision of the alternator just shows to everyone that you
can interpret the rules anyway you wish and get away with it. Its got to stop!

			Derek
229.7I'll do it my way....HOTWTR::MCKINNON_JITemplestowe Social Clubs, VicMon Nov 05 1990 14:332
    Sounds like the SCCA Solo II series.  Lot's of personal
    interpretations.  
229.8safety vs rulesOASS::BURDEN_DHe's no fun, he fell right overTue Nov 06 1990 13:418
Sounds like there are safety violations going on as well as rules infractions
for some perfomance gain.  I'm sure the governing body would like to know about
safety violations since they can impact insurance rates should something happen
on the track.

'Simple' rules infractions should be dealt with seperately.

Dave