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Conference nyoss1::market_investing

Title:Market Investing
Moderator:2155::michaud
Created:Thu Jan 23 1992
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1060
Total number of notes:10477

1058.0. "Atmel (ATML) falling hard" by NWD002::THOMPSOKR (Kris with a K) Fri Mar 07 1997 18:16

    Anybody seen the dramatic drop in ATML?  From $48+ in mid-January to 25
    1/2 today, settling at 26+.  Heavy volume, about 13% of total shares.
    Big short position.  Perhaps more selling to follow...might be
    attractive to me if it gets to ~23 (yr. low of 21.4)
    
    Many down-graded estimates...
    
    They came out this wee and said their income could go down 10%.  Street
    punished them hard.
    
    ATML does high performance memory and logic integrated circuits using
    metal-oxide.  Smart Money (11/96) listed them in a glowing article as
    the one pick for a blue chip portfolio: "exceptionally well-managed
    company... undervalued (at $31) righ now..."
    
    
    Any thoughts?
    
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1058.1Long term "buy & hold" of stocks2155::michaudJeff Michaud - ObjectBrokerFri Mar 07 1997 20:23114
	Well there's no real topic on "buy and hold" for long term vs.
	selling when a stock turns bleak or you believe it's reached
	it's peak or just hasn't plain done anything.

	As some of you know, I'm notorious for selling stocks at the
	wrong time.  However from reading some notes from others, I'm
	not the only one who feels the market sees any stock I sell as
	a signal to buy that stock.

	To provide some data, I've compiled a list of every stock that I've
	sold (and no longer own any shares of) to see how much profit I
	either left on the table or how much profit (or in most cases
	for me, how much further loss) I protected.  This is all within
	the last 2 3/4 years when I started investing directly in stocks
	(after I had lost money investing in mutual funds the prior couple
	of years).

	In my case it turns out that if I had continued to hold these
	stocks and sold at today's closing prices, that I would have
	over an additional $113,000 profit!  In reality however it's
	more difficult to determine how much profit I lost out on because
	I would of been unable to have all these stocks (at least with
	the number of shares I owned) in my portfolio at the same time.
	However had I not sold some of these stocks (like US Air [U]),
	I would not have had the money to buy some of the stocks I ended
	up selling at a loss.  The "what if" game is hard to play :-)

	Since I started holding stocks longer, my current portfolio
	is doing MUCH better.  I believe I've learned my lesson.  I
	just hope we don't have a major correction or crash that
	proves this theory wrong.

As of close on Friday, March 6, 1997

Symb LastTrad  SoldAt	Diff	#Shares
   U  22.375	6.625	15.75	4000	$63,000.00
 ATC   5.1875	1.25	3.9375	3000	$11,812.50 see note at end
MSFT  96.75	45.5#	51.25	200#	$10,250.00
 RHI  41.25	24.75	15.50	500	$ 7,750.00
INTC 143.5	71.5	72	100	$ 7,200.00
 AMD  39.5	17.375	22.125	200	$ 4,425.00
BOST  31.25	17.5	13.75	300	$ 4,125.00
 GTY  20.375	11.25	9.125	400	$ 3,650.00
 MAN  39.625	26.5	13.125	250	$ 3,281.25
 UNH  53.75	37.75	16	150	$ 2,400.00
USHC  52.75	39.25	13.50	150	$ 2,025.00
 GTE  46.75	34	12.75	100	$ 1,275.00
  HD  56.625	43.5	13.125	100	$ 1,312.50
TACO   5.25	6	.75	2000	$ 1,500.00
 HUM  22.5	18.25	4.25	250	$ 1,062.50
 WMT  27.375	22.375	5	200	$ 1,000.00
 TOY  28.625	22.125	6.5	150	$   975.00
AKSEF   3.9688	2.875	1.0938	300	$   328.14
 TSO  11.75	10.875	.875	300	$   262.50
DEC1A  25.5	24	1.5	100	$   150.00
HRVY   7.5	6.875	.625	200	$   125.00
==================================================
				       $123,821.89

  DR   2	6.125	-4.125	600	-$2,475.00
CATH   5.875	11	-5.125	400	-$2,050.00
SYBS  14.1875	22.875	-8.6875	200	-$1,737.50
 DJT   9.75	14.375	-4.625	300	-$1,387.50 peaked @ 35.5 after I sold
  KM  12.625	13.75	-1.125	800	-$  900.00
CRUS  13.3125	20.125	-6.8125	125	-$  851.56
WALL  16.5	18.5	-2	250	-$  500.00
 SBP   0.6875	1.125	-.4375	1000	-$  437.50 stock no longer trades
 NSH  12.375	13.75	-1.375	200	-$  275.00
==================================================
				       -$10,614.06

Net: $113,207.83

# = split adjusted

Notes:

ATC (Atari Corp)
    bought out by another co and peaked at 9 3/16 after i sold i
    actually had 5,000 shares total but sold 2,000 shares several
    months before I sold the remaining shares @ 3.5, which would
    have been another $3,375.00

Key to symbols:
    Symbol: U (USAIR GROUP) [NYSE]
    Symbol: RHI (ROBERT HALF INTL INC) [NYSE]
    Symbol: MAN (MANPOWER INC) [NYSE]
    Symbol: CATH (CATHERINES STORES CP)
    Symbol: SYBS (SYBASE INC)
    Symbol: BOST (BOSTON CHICKEN INC)
    Symbol: KM (K MART CP) [NYSE]
    Symbol: GTE (GTE CP) [NYSE]
    Symbol: UNH (UNITED HEALTHCARE CP) [NYSE]
    Symbol: TSO (TESORO PETROLEUM) [NYSE]
    Symbol: DJT (TRUMP HOTELS & CASINO RESORTS) [NYSE]
    Symbol: TOY (TOYS R US HLDG CO) [NYSE]
    Symbol: DEC1A (DIGITAL EQUIPMENT  8 7/8 PR A) [NYSE]
    Symbol: GTY (GETTY PETROLEUM CP) [NYSE]
    Symbol: HD (HOME DEPOT INC) [NYSE]
    Symbol: NSH (NASHUA CP) [NYSE]
    Symbol: ATC (ATARI CP) [AMEX]
    Symbol: MSFT (MICROSOFT CP)
    Symbol: WALL (WALL DATA INC)
    Symbol: HRVY (HARVEY ENTERTAINMENT CO)
    Symbol: AKSEF (ARAKIS ENERGY)
    Symbol: WMT (WAL MART STORES) [NYSE]
    Symbol: CRUS (CIRRUS LOGIC INC)
    Symbol: SBP (STANDARD BRANDS PAINT) [NYSE]
    Symbol: TACO (TACO CABANA INC CL A)
    Symbol: AMD (ADVANCED MICRO DEVICES) [NYSE]
    Symbol: INTC (INTEL CP)
    Symbol: HUM (HUMANA INC) [NYSE]
    Symbol: DR (COASTAL PHYSICIAN GRP INC) [NYSE]
    Symbol: USHC (US HEALTHCARE INC)