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Conference nyoss1::market_investing

Title:Market Investing
Moderator:2155::michaud
Created:Thu Jan 23 1992
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1060
Total number of notes:10477

1050.0. "CASCADE (CSCC)" by ALFSS2::BEKELE_D (When indoubt THINK!) Mon Jan 27 1997 13:49

    Cascade Communications at ~$39+ may be a good long term buy.
    
    Any comments?
    
    Dan
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1050.12155::michaudJeff Michaud - ObjectBrokerMon Jan 27 1997 14:539
> Cascade Communications at ~$39+ may be a good long term buy.

	You forgot to mention the reason for the 33%+ drop in the stock
	last week after they released their Q report.  The reason was
	due to a slowdown in sales of one of their products, that the
	analysts fear will impact future earnings.

	Without knowing more details on that, it's impossible to offer
	an opinion.....
1050.2damn the analysts!ALFSS2::BEKELE_DWhen indoubt THINK!Mon Jan 27 1997 15:4614
    Jeff,
    
    I think their major problem in the Q report was DSO and that may be 
    explained by late shipments with generous terms.  You may wish to 
    listen to the conference (800-839-1380) call with analysts where they 
    stated that they are comfortable with 50% growth.  Their new product
    (CBX500 ATM switch) has 20% of revenue in just 2qrts after first ship.  
    
    This is a good company with excellent managerial and technical talent.
    I think this is a screaming buy at this price and I am in and if it goes 
    down I will be loading up even some more.
    
    Dan
    
1050.32155::michaudJeff Michaud - ObjectBrokerMon Jan 27 1997 16:1614
>     This is a good company with excellent managerial and technical talent.
>     I think this is a screaming buy at this price and I am in and if it goes 
>     down I will be loading up even some more.

	You may get your chance, it's still dropping.  The P/E's a bit high.
	Quite a spread on that 52 week trading range.

Symbol: CSCC (CASCADE COMMUN CP)
Last Trade: 38, Change -3 (-7.32%) at Jan 27  3:53:58
Bid & Ask:  38 & 38 1/8 (spread 1/8)
Low & High: 37 7/8 & 42 (spread 4 1/8)
52 Week Low & High: 24 3/8 & 91 1/4 (spread 66 7/8)
Volume/# of Trades: 6296900 / 9612 (655 shares/trade)
P/E: 56.90, EPS: 0.72, Market Cap: 5589.00, Beta: 1.17, EPS Growth: -99.90
1050.4PCBUOA::KRATZMon Jan 27 1997 17:033
    No dead cat bounce... traded lower all day long.  I would take that
    as an implication it has more to go (fundamentals aside for the
    moment).  K
1050.5CSCC still holdingALFSS2::BEKELE_DWhen indoubt THINK!Thu Jan 30 1997 09:594
    Positive article in today's WSJ on oversold condition of network
    companies.
    
    dan
1050.6LJSRV2::JCWhere's the snow?Thu Jan 30 1997 15:015
I hear that morale at CSCC is not that great right now because of the
stock price.  they (CSCC) have leverage many of their employees with
stock options, which are not waaaaaaaaay under water for a lot of people.
those techies may get nervious and bale out of CSCC looking for the
next network high-flyer.  
1050.7dropping like a rock...PCBUOA::KRATZFri Feb 14 1997 15:462
    Well, if it was a good long term buy at 40, it's an even better
    one after dropping another 20% (hit a new 52 week low at 32 today).
1050.8Why is CSCC stock price stalled ??? CSCMA::BALICHThu Apr 03 1997 14:5213
    
    Folks,
    
    What the deal with CSCC merging with Ascend ... They buyout price
    of 36.40 of CSCC by Ascend is a premium BUT CSCC stock is still
    trading WAY under that price 3 days after the proposed merger.
    
    My question is WHY ?  Isn't buying CSCC at current ~ 28 a sure
    win if its going to be bought out at 36.40/share ??
    
    Am I missing something here ?  Please explain!
    
    
1050.9The .7 ratio is the invariant, not the price/shSMURF::STRANGESteve Strange, UNIX FilesystemsThu Apr 03 1997 15:0010
    re: .8
    
    The terms of the buyout state that CSCC holders will get .7 shares of ASND
    per share of CSCC.  At the time the buyout was announced, ASND was
    around $51, but it dropped on Monday to about $40.  So the 36.40 figure
    you saw was probably based on the .7 ratio and ASND's price on Sunday. 
    Now that ASND is worth less, so is CSCC because the ratio essentially
    places the prices in lock-step.
    
    	Steve
1050.10PCBUOA::KRATZThu Apr 03 1997 15:114
    It went from a $3.7 billion deal Monday morning to a $2.9
    billion deal by that evening.  I can't imagine CSCC shareholders
    are pleased... it was 28 1/4 on the close Thursday (the last
    trade before the takeover), and it's still below that.  K
1050.11CSCMA::BALICHThu Apr 03 1997 15:366
    
    re .last few
    
    If the price went from $3.7 to $2.9 at days end ... The buyout price
    was $36.40 at $3.7 billion, then at $2.9 billion what the buyout price
    now .. under $30/share ?? 
1050.12eating my wordsALFSS2::BEKELE_DWhen indoubt THINK!Thu Apr 03 1997 16:4424
re -.1

    As stated previously, the buyout remains constant at 7/10 share of
    ASND stock for each CSCC share regardless of the price of ASND.  
    Aside from that the price of CSCC would be in the teens if this 
    buy-out was not announced just before CSCC came out with a disasters 
    quarter.

re -.2

 > I can't imagine CSCC shareholders are pleased... 

You can say that again!  I saw an analysts on CNBC (confirmed by others
who were privy to the real story) who stated that Cascade was telling 
one thing to a select number of analysts about the problem they were facing 
while telling the rest of us that everything was as peachy as they could 
be!  I said the following in .2

>    This is a good company with excellent managerial and technical talent.
 
This may still be true but management seems to have little to no integrity 
with me!

Dan   
1050.13LASSIE::IMMIFri Apr 04 1997 12:3823
    Well lets get our story straight. At the time of the merger CSCC also
    annouced an earnings warning. That is the primary reason for the
    plunge. Reason "lumpiness" in sales from the RBOC's. If not for the
    merger CSCC would have tanked to the low 20's. 
    	Yup, there was a story in fortune magazine about CSCC telling a 
    select band of analy'sts regarding the earnings slowdow. Alger funds
    even threatened to sue. CSCC denined the story. 
    
    	I have been piling up on CSCC 53,41,32,28,24, with and avg price of
    about 32... I would have been in the plus with the buyout value of
    $36 per share...
    
     The merger diliutes ascends earnings by .05cents for fiscal 1997,
    hence ascends drop as it paid a 28% premium for CSCC...
    
    	Anyway, this merger is built on synergies and hopefully will chew
    up CISCO's market share. Time will tell. I have been wrong before, but 
    I am gung-ho on this one...
    
    	The story seems to have changed on wall street. ASND is up to 46
    now, and CSCC at 30... Intresting, how long it took for people to
    realise that long term this is a "marriage made in heaven"...
     Regards Immi
1050.14will it pass fed's musterPCBUOA::KRATZFri Apr 04 1997 14:474
    There's also the possibility that the feds don't let the merger go
    thru... which would probably leave CSCC to tank anyhow.  ASND + CSCC
    owns a lot of market share in certain categories of WAN giblets.
    .02 K