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Conference nyoss1::market_investing

Title:Market Investing
Moderator:2155::michaud
Created:Thu Jan 23 1992
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1060
Total number of notes:10477

721.0. "Info on fund performances?" by TPSYS::BONNEAU (Rich Bonneau TP Engineering - DTN 227-4327) Mon May 09 1994 11:28

Hello,
	I am trying to be sold a 'Flexible Annuity' from an IDS guy and he
touted the performance of the funds in his annuity as performing well compared
to others.  I would like to check out his claims.  Where can I go to get a
comparison of fund performances?  Hopefully, it is something online?

Thanks,
RIch
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721.1TLE::FELDMANSoftware Engineering Process GroupMon May 09 1994 11:4618
I don't know of anything on line here.  CompuServe has 
FundWatch.  Your best bet, though, is probably to go to
a good public library and check out the Morningstar reports.

I expected IDS to be an average performer, but they actually
have some good funds.  Not necessarily the best, but good
enough to justify reasonable claims by their sales reps.  
Whether they've made those funds available in the annuity is
another question.

Don't be afraid to shop around.  There are plenty of other
choices, including annuities from the big houses (Vanguard,
Fidelity).  In fact, one way to achieve diversification within
the shelter of an annuity is to have several annuities, each
with a different company.  This presupposes that investing
in a variable annuity is right for you.

   Gary
721.2Kiplinger'sCADSYS::CADSYS::BENOITMon May 09 1994 11:474
within the last couple of months did a comparison of Annuities.  You might
want to look for it in the library.

Michael
721.3WSJ, of courseTLE::JBISHOPMon May 09 1994 14:496
    Wall St. Journal has fund performance data.  Each day of the
    work week has a different set (e.g. 1, 3, 5 year data one day,
    3,6,12 month data the next [approximate example]).  It's all
    explained on the first page of the mutual fund listings.
    
    		-John Bishop
721.4exitPOBOX::PATELWed May 11 1994 00:4027
    I agree with 1st reply.  
    
    There is a publication that rates Variable Annuities that I have seen
    in some "better" libraries.  That gives the ratings of the insurance
    companies behind these Mutual Fund companies + the ratings of the
    mutual funds that are offered through the annuities, that are usually
    not listed in most common mutual fund sources - value line (funds),
    morningstar (funds), lipper (funds), wsjournal, i.b.daily, money etc
    etc...
    
    So, look into that first.  
    
    After you do so, make sure that the company you go with offers the most
    selection of funds esp if you are the type who wants to switch in and
    out of them.  Secondly, make sure that the expenses that the mutual
    fund company + annuity manager + insurance company charges is NOT TOO
    HIGH (what ever to means to YOU, personally).  Lastly, make sure that
    you are aware of the withdrawl rules of the company you go with and
    agree with it.
    My personal opinion: I shy away from adding any more TAX-DEFERRAl
    investments in my life since I do not know "WHAT MY MARGINAL TAX
    BRACKET IS GOING TO BE WHEN I WILL PULL THIS MONEY OUT". Now think
    about this carefully.......
    
    Good luck and good investing.....
    
    Ken
721.5Take advantage of 401k and IRA first!DTRACY::ROYALWed May 18 1994 09:4915
    
    Before getting into an annuity, make certain you're taking full
    advantage of your 401k and IRA.  Annuities have much higher expenses
    associated with them and of course a back end load (for withdrawals
    less than 5 or 7 years depending upon the annuity).   These expenses do
    an affect on your overall return.  In a self-directed IRA you'll do
    much better than a similiar type of investment in the "accumulation
    phase" of the annuity.   If you are taking full advantage of 401k and
    IRA, then do your research before buying.   I can recommend looking at
    Nationwide Best of America IV, it has several good growth funds (4)
    that have outperformed the market.
    
    Good luck.
    
             -- Phil