Title: | Market Investing |
Moderator: | 2155::michaud |
Created: | Thu Jan 23 1992 |
Last Modified: | Thu Jun 05 1997 |
Last Successful Update: | Fri Jun 06 1997 |
Number of topics: | 1060 |
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I pulled out of the market in May figuring that it would 'correct' itself between then and the end of this calender year. As I read the signs - high P/E's, overbought, poor earnings, slow/stalled recovery - it _had to_ correct. Yet recently I'm getting the feeling that it's not going to happen. Remember the cartoon joke where someone is standing on a floor and a saw from below cuts a circle around them and the house collapses around the guy on the floor instead of him falling down through the hole? Well, that's what's happening - we are in a Road Runner Eliot Wave - everything: earnings, revenue, inflation, employment etc. falls through the earth but the stock price 'floats' in mid-air. What's your explanation?
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598.1 | New Investors still pumping $ into market | KOALA::BOUCHARD | The enemy is wise | Mon Oct 25 1993 17:46 | 13 |
Although simplistic, I think the answer is simply the enormous amount of money which is still in various fixed-rate CDs/etc. that are continuing to expire each month. When faced with 5-year CD rates at 4% or so, and mutual funds that advertise 15% returns, people continue to dump money into the market that has never been invested outside of a bank before. Despite the massive amount of this money that has already gone into the market there is still a lot of $ in banks which can potentially also get invested in the market. Without any fancy models or statistics to back me up, I expect these dollars to keep pumping in until the DJIA reaches 4000; if the economy/earnings haven't picked up by then we might finally reach a stalling point. | |||||
598.2 | Hard assets are undervalued. | ISLNDS::HUTNICK | Tue Oct 26 1993 09:35 | 36 | |
The answer is so simple, few people believe it. The answer is "MONEY SUPPLY". Ther is so much money out there which the Fed has pumped into the economy (M1/M2) over the pass few years. Sure this devalues the dollar, sure it make the interest rates go down, Sure it causes stock prices to go up. So where does it end? Well ask yourself the question...where would you put your money now? In a 2-3% savings/money market/bond investment? or would you put on "anything" else that is yielding more? People ask themselves, but what if the market crashes? The market will crash when people (moreso investment managers) pull their monies out of stocks. But I ask you...where do their put their monies if not in the stock market at this time? There is no other place to invest. So until the interest rates move up (which then people will get back into money markets and savings accounts), the best place in town is stocks and mutual funds. Now you might see a shift in which stocks and mutual funds people and money managers will go to. If the Dow is over valued and certain sectors are overvalued, then the smart money will shift to harder asset investments like gold, real estate, internationals, certain energies, and natural resources companies. These sectors are relatively undervalued and react positively in times of inflation which is inevitable. To leave you with a thought I heard last week. ...the times where economic forces will override political forces are around the corner". Hold on to your hats, unemployment...inflation...strong foreign competition...too high MI and M2...(all economic forces) will squash the political forces of CLintons foreign policy, health care policy, economic reform policy, etc. There's too many people out of work (despite what the Gov'mt says the unemployment rate is. The inflation rate is certainly much higher than they are reporting. The figures base is always changing in their favor...no one can tell me that inflation is 2-3%. I, an avid saver, can not save anymore. Taxes alone are crippling my goals..not to mention energy costs, food costs, transportation costs, and medical costs. An average family is paying more for medical, health, and life insurance comparesd to a few years ago. | |||||
598.3 | my $.02 | SOLVIT::CHEN | Tue Oct 26 1993 10:14 | 14 | |
I heard that the economists are forecasting for a double-digit growth for American corporations in 1994. If this forecast were true, this will help to hold the P/E ratio of the stock market within range. And, we expect a slow growth economy for at least the next year and maybe beyond. This means inflation will remain low and unemployment will remain high. Interest rate will not move up anytime soon. So, the stock market is expected continue to go up. But, we have to keep a watchful eye on the international market. If Europe or Japan pulls themselves out of recession faster than we do, they may have some major effects in the US economy. If that were to happen, get ready to temporarily pull out of the US market for a potential major market correction. I have to agree with the previous two replies that the major driving forces for the US stock market right now are the low interest rate and low inflation. Mike | |||||
598.4 | VMSDEV::HALLYB | Fish have no concept of fire | Wed Oct 27 1993 12:34 | 47 | |
.2> The answer is so simple, few people believe it. The answer is "MONEY .2> SUPPLY". Ther is so much money out there which the Fed has pumped into .2> the economy (M1/M2) over the pass few years. Sure this devalues the Then why is Congress so upset with Alan Greenspan for -failing- to meet (i.e., being too low vs.) FED money supply targets? I looked at _Barron's_ from last weekend and divined the following data from the "Money Supply" section near the end. Over the past year we have seen the following changes in the money supply ($Billion): Money Market funds: -12 Currency: +50 CDs: -108 Checking accounts: +87 Jumbo CDs: -40 Savings accounts: +50 ____ ____ -160 +167 There were other shifts as well but these are the main ones. I infer from this that as a rule people are moving out of CDs and into more liquid holdings. No surprise there. What I don't understand is why the numbers more or less balance. We've been hearing how money flows out of CDs and into stocks, and I believe that, but here it looks like money flows out of CDs into savings and checking accounts. .2> are overvalued, then the smart money will shift to harder asset .2> investments like gold, real estate, internationals, certain energies, and .2> natural resources companies. These sectors are relatively undervalued Yep, gold (especially the mining stocks) have been doing well; REITs are springing back to life, American money is inflating developed-country markets around the world (except Japan). Natural resources are still depressed. .2> To leave you with a thought I heard last week. ...the times where .2> economic forces will override political forces are around the corner". To be known as "Clinton's Comeuppance". Anybody been watching the PBS series on the first Great Depression? There were some interesting comments from folks who lived through it. One of those being that there were plenty of goods available but nobody was buying. Meaning "productivity" wasn't the solution to deflation.(!) I fear if NAFTA fails in the House we're going to find ourselves in a similar situation: plenty of goods, nowhere to export. John | |||||
598.5 | It's not what people said it is. | SOLVIT::CHEN | Wed Oct 27 1993 12:56 | 13 | |
re: -1 I vaguely remember that back a long while ago (like a few months), I heard that only something like 17% (less than 20% anyway) of this country's money is in the stock market. So, my impression at that time was that not everyone who took their $$ out of CDs put them into the market. So, people are taking a "wait 'n see" position. If interest rate continue to remain low for an extended period of time, we'll see people got sick-n-tired of waiting and start putting their money somewhere. Some of this money will go into the stock market. But then, I think is the time I'll pull out. :-) Mike | |||||
598.6 | Beware the fallacy of composition! | TLE::JBISHOP | Wed Oct 27 1993 13:52 | 49 | |
re .4, .5, flow of money You have to be careful when tracking money. While many individuals are "putting their money into stocks", the actual dollars don't vanish, and the net effect is to take a situation where A owns a stock and B has money to one where A has the money and B the stock: Before A : stock B : CD for X dollars CD matures, B buys stock After A : ? for X dollars B : stock "?" represents what the seller of the stock does with the money. So it's not surprising that there's a move from CDs to cash-on-hand equivalents while sellers consider what to do next (after all, they've already decided not to stay in the market!). Money growth comes from fractional reserve banking and just printing the stuff, and real "money" nuts distinguish between currency, bank accounts, CDs and so on (as I failed to do above). Currency follows nice conservation laws, bonds are easier to create out of nothing, and just about anyone can issue stock. The "money in the stock market" numbers are really talking about wealth--while you can call a bond-like object (CD, T-bill...) "money", property-like objects (equity, options, real estate...) act differently--or rather, people act differently in reference to them. So what we're seeing is that many people who used to prefer CDs now prefer mutual funds. Their wealth isn't changing (much), but the allocation is; their actions bid up equity markets (and wind up creating new equity and dropping the returns on equity) and bid down CD markets (eventually raising interest rates). The liquidity of things is the big question: if these people are "strong hands" who are in equities for the long haul, then that's a reduction in the effective demand (for goods and services, so prices go down a pit, reflecting a lower money supply for some value of "money"); if they are "weak hands" then this might represent an increase in effective demand. Liquidity and velocity effects can swamp money supply effects. This makes life hard for Greenspan and the like, as they have very little control over either. -John Bishop | |||||
598.7 | .Grass Roots Money Supply? | SWAM2::WANTJE_RA | Fri Oct 29 1993 14:27 | 15 | |
Question for the last few replies. I understand that the average family in the U.S. owes $15,000+ in credit card debt alone. This came from a person in the credit card industry, so I assume it is accurate. Considering this is credit card debt only and does not include car or house payments, I do not see how productivity (i.e. consumption) can improve much until this debt is greatly reduced. The current buying power of the average household would appear to be very weak right now and for the future. So, what affect does this debt have on the money supply and the recovery plan and the Great Depression (which did not have this factor to deal with)? Ralph | |||||
598.8 | Sounds wrong | KOALA::BOUCHARD | The enemy is wise | Fri Oct 29 1993 14:51 | 3 |
re: .7 $15000/family in credit card debt sounds awfully high to me... | |||||
598.9 | 2435::SHAH | Amitabh "Leadership DECAF? Yuck!" | Fri Oct 29 1993 15:17 | 7 | |
Re. .7 Assuming that there are 60 mil. families in the US, that would make the total credit card debt to be $900 billion, which would be about twice the annual budget deficit. I doubt if your number is correct. | |||||
598.10 | Please stand up if your visa balance is >15k! | USCTR1::BJORGENSEN | Fri Oct 29 1993 16:03 | 3 | |
It sounds high to me. Not doubting that is what you heard, though. I'd believe a number more like $1,500. | |||||
598.11 | Demographics is a tidal wave | CSOA1::PROIE | Mon Nov 01 1993 11:55 | 52 | |
One point that has not been raised in the replys to .0 is the effect of demographics on the stock market. It has been stated that the market is currently rising to the fact that more money is continually pouring into the stock market - mainly through mutual funds - because there are few good alternatives at the current time. When good alternatives become available, money will leave the stock market and hence the long awaited decline (collapse?) will occur. This may be correct. However, I personally think that the stock market is going to go through a long-term period of higher than normal valuations due to the effect of long-term investment from the baby-boom generation. Consider: - Practically every one I know (i.e. my age group) is either investing or beginning to invest in the stock market - usually through mutual funds. (A classic market top but with a difference). - These people are not doing it to get rich - they are doing it for college, retirement, etc. This will have the same effect on stocks that the baby boomers had on real estate in the 70's and early 80's. - Many of the dollars poured into the stock market today are inelastic. They cannot respond to market changes because they are locked in - through pension plans, 401K plans, IRAs, and people who dollar cost average. - Current investors have seen market collapses, and are aware that the smart money stays invested after a collapse. - In a capitalistic system the only thing that really matters is supply vs. demand. And demand for equities has permanently increased for 20 or so years. Note that these forces were also in effect during the huge long term run-up of the Japanese market. Based on the above, I think that a market correction is going to occur within the next year or so, and that it will be the best time to invest for a long time. Also note, when baby boomers begin to retire in huge numbers (those born in the 1950's), it will be the best time to sell. Also note - the two most dangerous statements regarding the stock market: - This time things are the same as last time. - This time things are different. Still, the baby boomers have had a tremendous effect on every American institution that they have passed through. They are now passing through the stock market. Wayne Wayne | |||||
598.12 | ZENDIA::SCHOTT | Mon Nov 01 1993 11:03 | 3 | ||
I read $16,000 per person not including mortgages was the debt. From the census bureau a few years back I think. This would include all loans (auto, college, etc.) | |||||
598.13 | Perhaps | SWAM2::WANTJE_RA | Mon Nov 01 1993 15:29 | 6 | |
Perhaps I got incorrect data or heard it wrong (a favorite theory of my wife ;-) and she would be the first to tell you that), but I am interested to know what the figures are regarding debt and type of debt for the 'average family'. I feel that those figures will be the driving force behind the timing of the economy. Anybody have the latest figures and, if so, from where? | |||||
598.14 | VMSDEV::HAMMOND | Charlie Hammond -- ZKO3-04/S23 -- dtn 381-2684 | Tue Nov 02 1993 09:31 | 3 | |
RE: .13 - figures regarding debt BARRONS publishes figures on "consumer installment debt". | |||||
598.15 | Consumer installment debt | 2388::FINNERTY | Sell high, buy low | Tue Nov 02 1993 16:09 | 10 |
fyi, consumer installment debt is about 760 billion (or thousand million for the Brits out there). If there are about 250 million people in the U.S. and about (guessing) 3.1 persons/household, then the guesstimate works out to 760E9/(250E6/3.1) = $9400 of installment debt per household. If anyone knows the real figure for average persons/household you can refine this guess. /jim | |||||
598.16 | Enforcing the Equal-Time rule | VMSDEV::HALLYB | Fish have no concept of fire | Fri Nov 05 1993 13:09 | 67 |
Ying and yan. For every point there is a counter-point. Here are some of each (quotes are from .11): > - Practically every one I know (i.e. my age group) is either investing > or beginning to invest in the stock market - usually through mutual > funds. (A classic market top but with a difference). They've said the same thing at every market top since about 1720. There are always differences but, as in _Jurassic Park_, nature will invariably find a way to restore the balance. > - These people are not doing it to get rich - they are doing it for > college, retirement, etc. This will have the same effect on stocks > that the baby boomers had on real estate in the 70's and early 80's. Yep, so instead of a crash ('29, '87) we'll see a protracted bear market, like in '73-'74. Stocks will still go down. Way down. > - Many of the dollars poured into the stock market today are inelastic. > They cannot respond to market changes because they are locked in - > through pension plans, 401K plans, IRAs, and people who dollar cost > average. Retirement plans like the above are managed by money managers who are regularly evaluated on their performance, right? So they are going to want to buy and sell just like common folks. Except they will buy and sell in huge amounts, thus exaggerating volatility in a "fast" market. Dollar cost averaging is successful only if it is continued through the inevitable downturns. Until then we can only speculate if DCAers will continue their programs. Historically when the stock market is down people tend not to have (or think they don't have) the money to invest, and stop buying just when the best bargains are available. > - Current investors have seen market collapses, and are aware that the > smart money stays invested after a collapse. This really scares me. Whenever "everybody" knows something, "everybody" is invariably wrong. This tells me we are on the threshold of a -very- long bear market. Just as this BULL market won't end until every bear capitulates, so too will the ensuing BEAR market continue until every bull capitulates. That will be a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong way down from here. > - In a capitalistic system the only thing that really matters is supply > vs. demand. And demand for equities has permanently increased for 20 or > so years. Note that these forces were also in effect during the huge > long term run-up of the Japanese market. The supply of equities is rapidly expanding, too! Companies that go public, raise tons of cash and then go bankrupt do a fine job of dissipating the excess capital in the stock market. We all know of grandiose business plans that fall apart when the economy hiccups. I don't understand the Japan comment. The "huge long-term run-up" was based on a shortage of equities? If there was a shortage of stocks at Nikkei 40,000 why is the Nikkei currently at ca. 18,500? > Based on the above, I think that a market correction is going to occur > within the next year or so, and that it will be the best time to invest Or possibly just the first leg down of a very long trip. It will certainly -look- like a great time to buy. All things considered, I'll take the forces of history over the 'Boomers. John | |||||
598.17 | An exercise or a prediction? | CSOA1::PROIE | Fri Nov 05 1993 14:08 | 19 | |
re .16 to my .11 I appreciate your comments and wish to point out that I was trying to make an argument that other people may want to consider to try to justify a positive outlook. Each of your points are very valid and I disagree with none. In reference to your question about my comments on Japan, I only meant to say that the demographics of Japan during the 60's and 70's were similar to that in the USA now - due to their "baby bust" after the war. But I am aware that the long-term run-up of stocks in Japan was most attributable to the excellent performance of the underlying companies. Your points did leave me with with one question though. The theme behind your response was that the same points that I raised could be used to predict a -very- long bear market. Since I have appreciated your insight in the past, the question is, are you in fact predicting this? Wayne | |||||
598.18 | VMSDEV::HALLYB | Fish have no concept of fire | Fri Nov 05 1993 20:32 | 20 | |
Thanks for your clarification on Japan. I was thinking only of the runup in the late '80s/early '90s while you were clearly speaking of the much longer secular Japanese bull market. I agree the demographics are similar, but America does not now have the huge customer base that Japan had back then. My opinion is this is more important than the demographic similarities. For the moment I am "only" predicting a bear market similar to 1973/1974, i.e., 18 months and 50%. Everything else is merely "a possibility". Of course I've been "predicting" this for several years while those who were fully invested have gained spectacularly. Then again, many who are currently fully invested came in after 1990 and do not have the gains but are exposed to the risks nonetheless. That's why I do market timing. I simply do not have the faith that buy-and-hold is a good strategy for the current market. So far I've managed to outperform the market this year and will issue an "official" summary of my timing performance once I do my 1993 taxes in 1994. John | |||||
598.19 | REDZIN::DCOX | Fri Nov 05 1993 22:27 | 21 | ||
Let me jump in here, for a moment, with a timing comment. Recall, I do not think market timing is for the faint of heart. To be consistently successful you need an understanding of Finance, Economics, Psychology, Sociology and "nerves of steel"; a little luck always helps, too. For what it is worth, I do believe that if you are going to NEED cash within the next 6 months, this is the time to start planning your defense. I am not predicting a crash by any means, just a long wave sag. For instance, if you have been avoiding paying off your mortgage because the cash is earning much, much more in the stock market, now might be a good time to contact your mortgage company, find out what you need to do to pay off, pick a STABLE Muni fund and start sliding what you need out of stocks and into that fund. Pick a cash-out point and stick to it. If/when your funds' values slip to those points, cash out and pay off the mortgage. If you are going to make any "big ticket" buys in the next year, this is a good time to start looking for sales. As Always, For What It's Worth... Dave | |||||
598.20 | 2435::SHAH | Amitabh "Leadership DECAF? Yuck!" | Thu Nov 11 1993 12:40 | 11 | |
Today's WSJ has an article on 10 analysts' opinions on when would the bear market start, how deep would it be, and what would trigger it. The opinions range quite widely, as expected, with the when answer ranging from imminent to 1997 (with a "median" of first half of 1994), anywhere from 5 to 32% deep (mean of ~15%) and the triggers being anywhere from increase in interest rates to outbreak of war in Korea and the collapse of Paramount Communication. Interesting article. | |||||
598.21 | Does that mean that WS thinks NAFTA is going to pass? | 2435::SHAH | Amitabh "Leadership DECAF? Yuck!" | Tue Nov 16 1993 16:05 | 1 |
DJIA closed around 3710 today, up 33 pts. A new record!! | |||||
598.22 | REDZIN::DCOX | Tue Nov 16 1993 16:34 | 17 | ||
re .21 Yup, the market has already taken into consideration that NAFTA will be approved by the House. Clinton has deep pockets (especially since WE will have to refill them) and is unabashedly buying votes with "considerations". It is, perhaps, praiseworthy of this administration that they have not denied buying the votes. When asked, they simply say they are putting things in a clearer perspective. :-) So, don't expect much more than a nominal "bump" on Thursday if/when it passes sometime tomorrow night. Of course, since a "pass" has been more or less discounted, keep your brokers' telephone numbers handy if NAFTA is voted down. The first hour or so of Thursday's trading will remind you of Oct, 1987. Of course, Just My Opinion..... Dave | |||||
598.23 | assume it passes | CSC32::K_BOUCHARD | Thu Nov 18 1993 13:20 | 3 | |
So,does anybody around here think NAFTA passing will *hurt* the market? Ken | |||||
598.24 | All that new investment in Mexico has to come from somewhere | GNPIKE::JOHNSON | Matt Johnson | Fri Nov 19 1993 15:32 | 1 |
Think of all those dollars going south of the border. | |||||
598.25 | $16K debt figure | MARVA1::BUCHMAN | UNIX refugee in a VMS world | Mon Dec 13 1993 12:37 | 20 |
Re: about twenty back. I think the $15K average debt figure was each American's share of the federal debt. That is running about $4 trillion; when all 250 million of us split that up, it comes to about sixteen thousand per. By the way, the trigger that I see for a sustained bear market is a modest but sustained increase in interest rates. The reason is that it will not stay modest for long. Too much of teh federal debt is financed with short-term notes, because they bear a lower interest rate. The drawback is that they have to be refinanced more frequently. Given a small increase in interest rates, the debt must be refinanced at a higher rate, which increases the deficit, which shrinks the money available for investing, which increases interest rates, which.... I think it will be the mother of all positive feedback loops, and just might be the mechanism by which the fiat value of American currency takes an incredible, an perhaps unrecoverable, pounding. Sorry, my daddy taught me to hate debt. so I'm annoyed that over the past thirty years, the government has loaded me up with $16,000 of it. Jim | |||||
598.26 | Is this cyclical or a revolution???? | CARROL::YOUNG | where is this place in space??? | Mon Dec 13 1993 13:23 | 435 |
This is long, but it shows how things maybe different this time around. We could be in for the worlds greatest 'Bull Run', or in the end the worlds worse 'fall'. The comment in the beginning about only needing 2% of the worlds population to produce, in my mind, presents a less than rosey future, but you be the judge........ WELCOME TO THE REVOLUTION In a historic convergence, not one but four business revolutions are upon us. For your future, embrace them. {Thomas A. Stewart, Fortune, December 13 1993} {contributed by Alan Maltzman} LET US NOT use the word cheaply. Revolution, says Webster's, is "a sudden, radical, or complete change . . . a basic reorientation." To anyone in the world of business, that sounds about right. We all sense that the changes surrounding us are not mere trends but the workings of large, unruly forces: the globalization of markets; the spread of information technology and computer networks; the dismantling of hierarchy, the structure that has essentially organized work since the mid-19th century. Growing up around these is a new, information-age economy, whose fundamental sources of wealth are knowledge and communication rather than natural resources and physical labor. Each of these transformations is a no-fooling business revolution. Yet all are happening at the same time--and fast. They cause one another and affect one another. As they feed on one another, they nourish a feeling that business and society are in the midst of a revolution comparable in scale and consequence to the Industrial Revolution. Asks George Bennett, chairman of the Symmetrix consulting firm: "If 2% of the population can grow all the food we eat, what if another 2% can manufacture all the refrigerators and other things we need?" [Another question is what if 2% can process and analysis all of the information we need -- mjt] Good question. The parking lot of General Electric's appliance factory in Louisville, Kentucky, was built in 1953 to hold 25,000 cars. Today's work force is 10,000. In 1985, 406,000 people worked for IBM, which made profits of $6.6 billion. A third of the people, and all of the profits, are gone now. Automaker Volkswagen says it needs just two-thirds of its present work force. Procter & Gamble, with sales rising, is dismissing 12% of its employees. Manufacturing is not alone in downsizing: Cigna Reinsurance, an arm of the Philadelphia giant, has trimmed its work force 25% since 1990. Change means opportunity as well as danger, in the same way that the Industrial Revolution, while it wrought havoc in the countryside and in the swelling town, brought undreamed of prosperity. No one can say for certain what new ways of working and prospering this revolution will create; in a revolution the only surety is surprise. The transition may be difficult. As Neal Soss, chief economist for C.S. First Boston, puts it: "Adjustment is the dismal part of the dismal science." And, as Robespierre might have observed on his way to the guillotine, this time it's personal--for the inescapable tumult involves your company and your career. The paragraphs and stories that follow explain the causes and consequences of this era of radical change--and introduce some business leaders who are meeting the challenges it poses. General Electric Lighting is an ancient business, begun in 1878. It is headquartered in Cleveland on a leafy campus of brick Georgian buildings separated by placid lawns. Like sin into Eden, the world burst through the gates in 1983, when traditional rival Westinghouse sold its lamp operations to Philips Electronics of Holland. To John Opie, GE Lighting's chief, the memory is so vivid that he describes it in the present tense: "Suddenly we have bigger, stronger competition. They're coming to our market, but we're not in theirs. So we're on the defensive." Not long: GE's 1990 acquisition of Hungarian lighting company Tungsram was the first big move by a Western company in Eastern Europe. Now, after buying Thorn EMI in Britain in 1991, GE has 18% of Europe's lighting market and is moving into Asia via a joint venture with Hitachi. As recently as 1988, GE Lighting got less than 20% of its sales from outside the U.S. This year, Opie says, more than 40% of sales will come from abroad; by 1996, more than half will. In a few short years, Opie's world changed utterly. What happened at GE Lighting illustrates the surprises and paradoxes of globalization. Surprise: Globalization is not old hat. Global competition has accelerated sharply in just the past few years. The market value of U.S. direct investment abroad rose 35%, to $776 billion, from 1987 to 1992, while the value of foreign direct investment in America more than doubled, to $692 billion. You ain't seen nothin' yet. The extraordinary rise in overseas telephone traffic (see chart) may best gauge how much more often people in different nations feel they have something urgent to say to one another--a good deal of it coordinating business activity. First Boston's Neal Soss points out that in the past five years or so the commercial world has been swelled by the former Soviet empire, China, India, Indonesia, and much of Latin America--billions of people stepping out from behind political and economic walls. This is the most dramatic change in the geography of capitalism in history. Paradox: Though it's hard to imagine a more macroeconomic subject, globalization is intensely parochial. Globalization's strongest effects are on companies. Says Anant Sundaram, professor at Dartmouth's Tuck School of business: "Statistics at the macro level grossly underestimate globalization's presence and impact." For example, Chrysler got just 7% of sales from outside the U.S. and Canada in 1992, but in the 1980s global competition nearly killed it. Investment numbers also reveal too little, for they do not count minority ownership or alliances--or the impact of competition originating abroad. Notes Frederick Kovac, vice president for planning at Goodyear, whose products can be found on all seven continents and the moon: "The major strategic decisions of our biggest competitors are made in France and Japan." Sales by overseas subsidiaries of American corporations are about three times greater than the value of all U.S. exports. Thus a lot of commerce that looks domestic to an economist--such as the Stouffer's frozen dinner you bought last week--looks international to a chief financial officer, in this case Nestle's. This makes for a profound change, Mr. CFO, in your job. Some observers argue that it is time you forget about the business cycle, or at least pay a lot less mind to it. Says Gail Fosler, chief economist of the Conference Board: "It's every industry on its own. When I talk to companies, it's very difficult to describe a business environment that's true for everybody." For example, she argues, as FORTUNE'S economists also hold, that capital spending "is no longer driven by business cycle considerations but by global competition." If the world is your oyster, an oyster is your whole world. Horace "Woody" Brock, president of Strategic Economic Decisions, an advisory firm in California, agrees. He says a nation's economy should be viewed as a portfolio of businesses whose fates are less and less linked: "What happens in the U.S. copper industry may be caused by shocks in Africa, and will have no effect on Silicon Valley. Silicon Valley may drive events in Japan's electronics industry, but these in turn will be uncorrelated with the auto industry in either Japan or Detroit." Look at Seattle, Brock says, where two great technology companies, Boeing and Microsoft, operate side-by-side, one sagging, one booming--"utterly out of sync." For a nation, the net effect should be more stability, with long odds against all sectors booming or busting together. For individual businesses, however, it's a different story. Says Brock: "If your competitor in Germany does something, you react immediately--you don't wait for interest rates or recovery or anything else." Fortunately, the revolution in information technology is creating tools that permit just such agility. Robert Immerman is the founder of InterDesign, a private company in Solon, Ohio, with annual sales above $10 million. InterDesign sells plastic clocks, refrigerator magnets, soap dishes, and the like. WalMart, Kmart, and Target are customers, as are hundreds of houseware stores. There's not a high-tech item among its products, but computers have changed the business. In the past 12 years, InterDesign's employment has tripled, total space has quintupled, and sales have octupled, but its megabytes of computer memory have gone up 30-fold. Seven years ago Immerman dug deep and found $10,000 to buy a used disk drive that had 288 megabytes of storage-capacity that costs about $350 today. Says Immerman: "In the Seventies we went to the Post Office to pick up our orders. In the early Eighties we put in an 800 number. Late Eighties, we got a fax machine. In 1991, pressured first by Target, we added electronic data interchange." Now, just two years later, more than half of InterDesign's orders arrive via modem straight into company computers. Errors in order entry and shipping have all but disappeared. Immerman says: "We had 50 weeks perfect with a big chain. Then one week we missed part of the order for one item on a long list--and they're on the phone wondering what's wrong." Staffers who used to man phones taking orders now track sales by product, color, customer, region -- valuable information that Immerman once couldn't afford to collect. InterDesign's story is typical. In Alcoa's Davenport, Iowa, factory, which rolls aluminum foil, sheet, and plate, a computer stands at every work post to control machinery or communicate data about schedules and production. Practically every package deliverer, bank teller, retail clerk, telephone operator, and bill collector in America works with a computer. Microchips have invaded automobiles and clothes dryers. Three out of ten American homes have a PC. The revolution begins when these computers hook up to one another. Already two out of five computers in the U.S. are part of a network--mostly intracompany nets, but more and more are crossing company lines, just as InterDesign's electronic data interchange does. Data traffic over phone wires is growing 30% a year, says Danielle Danese, a telecommunications analyst at Salomon Brothers. Traffic on the global Internet doubles every year. The potential for information sharing is almost unimaginable. On the wall of every classroom, dorm room, and office at Case Western Reserve University is a box containing a phone jack, coaxial cable, and four fiber-optic lines. Through that box a student could suck down the entire contents of the Library of Congress in less than a minute, if the library were on-line and she had room to store it. For years CEOs and economists lamented that billions invested in information technology had returned little to productivity. That dirge is done.Says William Wheeler, a consultant at Coopers & Lybrand: "For the first time the computer is an enabler of productivity improvement rather than a cause of lack of productivity." Instantaneous, cross-functional communication about orders and scheduling enabled M.A. Hanna, the $1.3 billion-in-annual-sales polymer maker, to speed production, reduce inventory, and cut waste so much that the company needs a third less working capital to get a dollar of sales than it did four years ago. CEO Martin D. Walker notes that this gain came entirely within the four walls of the company; he estimates that an equal gain in working capital turnover is waiting to be found by networking with suppliers and customers. Efficiency is a first-order effect of new technology: That's how you justify the capital expenditure. The second-order effects are more interesting, and unpredicted. One disorienting result of the spread of computer nets has been the transformation of sales, marketing, and distribution. To see the change, says Fred Wiersema, a consultant at CSC Index in Cambridge, Mass., dig a ten-year-old marketing plan out of the file and compare it with a new one: "The distribution channel is a mess. Customers have much more power. There's fragmentation in media and advertising. The activities of the sales force are completely different." The next trend, says William Bluestein, director of computing strategy research for Forrester Research, a Massachusetts firm: "Companies that empower their customers." Soon, pursuing cost savings, suppliers and customers will be able to rummage other's computers, entering around in each other's computers, entering orders directly, checking stock and shipping status. One vehicle manufacturer can already go into Goodyear's system. Says strategist Kovac: "There will be a day in the not-distant future when customers will get data on the tests of a new tire as soon as our engineers do. They'll see everything--warts and all." From there it's a short step before customers start comparing notes--maybe on your network. Says Bluestein: "If I were Ralph Nader, I'd set up a consumer chat line so someone who was thinking of buying a Saturn could ask people who have one how they like it. If GM were smart, they'd do it themselves." Like globalization, information technology vastly extends a company's reach-- but has the paradoxical effect of rewarding intimacy. Computers enormously increase the amount of information a company can have about its market--but deliver premium returns less to careful planning than to quick responses to changing circumstances. Both phenomena have powerful implications for the way work is organized. In 1958 Harvard Business Review published an article called "Management in the 1980s" by Harold J. Leavitt and Thomas L. Whisler, professors at the Carnegie Institute of Technology and the University of Chicago. It predicted that the computer would do to middle management what the Black Death did to 14th-century Europeans. So it has: If you're middle management and still have a job, don't enter your boss's office alone. Says GE Lighting's John Opie: "There are just two people between me and a salesman--information technology replaced the rest." Leavitt and Whisler, knowing only mainframes, foresaw an Orwellian workplace in which the surviving middle managers were tightly controlled from on high, little different from the people they bossed. In a world of expensive, centralized computing, it might have happened that way. But distributed computing redistributes power. Says Goodyear's Kovac: "It used to be, if you wanted information, you had to go up, over, and down through the organization. Now you just tap in. Everybody can know as much about the company as the chairman of the board. That's what broke down the hierarchy. It's not why we bought computers, but it's what they did." The management revolution has many fathers, some more venerable than the computer; self-managed teams and total quality management have intellectual roots reaching back half a century. Why, then, does it seem as if the mores and structures of management are undergoing discontinuous change? Is this really new? Or are we deluding ourselves, the way each generation of teenagers thinks it discovered sex? The evidence suggests a basic shift in the organization of work. Look first at the ubiquity of change. No longer is the management revolution confined to the same dozen trendsetting companies, the GEs, Motorolas, and Xeroxes. Says Stephen Gage, president of the Cleveland Advanced Manufacturing Program, a federally subsidized organization that helps small business apply new technology: "I doubt if there's a company around here that isn't experimenting with something having to do with dismantling Taylorism." Equally striking, leading companies now envision an endlessly changing organizational design. Kovac says: "The key term is 'reconfigurable.' We want an organization that's reconfigurable on an annual, monthly, weekly, daily, even hourly basis. Immutable systems are dinosaurs." To make this sort of agility possible, leaders are honing such techniques as rapid product development, flexible production systems, and team-based incentives. At bottom, the management revolution triumphs because the underlying economics of communication and control have changed, and those changes favor small, flexible organizations, not big ones. The argument, developed by microeconomists influenced by Berkeley's Oliver Williamson (and here oversimplified), goes like this: A transaction can be accomplished in one of two basic ways: You can go out and buy something from someone else, or you can produce it yourself. (Yes, there are hybrid forms, but remember that we're oversimplifying.) Call the first system a market and the second a hierarchy. Vertically integrated businesses, in which transactions take place between divisions, each with its own organizational ziggurat, are hierarchies. Each system has its advantages. Markets generally deliver the lowest price, because of competition. But hierarchies usually have lower coordinating costs--such as for salesmen, advertising, or debt collection. Depending on how those costs and benefits line up, a given industry will tend to be more or less vertically integrated, feature larger or smaller companies, and display a bureaucratic or entrepreneurial management Now buy a computer. The costs change. In particular, hierarchies begin to lose their comparative advantage in coordinating costs. Invoicing is automated, decimating armies of clerks. Electronic order-entry cuts selling costs. Says Thomas W. Malone, professor at the Sloan School of Management at MIT: "Coordinating activities are information-intensive, and computers make coordinating better and cheaper." The result, Malone argues, is to increase the range of transactions in which markets are more desirable. Result: More companies decide to buy what they once produced in-house. The nice thing about this argument is that it checks out. Big companies are breaking up; outsourcing is on the rise. According to Roy Smith, vice president of Microelectronics & Computer Technology Corp., three out of ten large U.S. industrial companies outsource more than half their manufacturing. Businesses are more tightly focused: Conference Board figures show that between 1979 and 1991 the number of three-digit standard industrial classifications (SIC codes) in which an average U.S. manufacturer does business dropped from 4.35 to 2.12. Companies are also smaller: Census data show that the number of employees at the average U.S. workplace is 8% lower than it was in 1980. Combining those figures with data on spending for information technology, MIT's Malone and several colleagues found the shrinkage is greatest in industries where IT spending is highest. Smaller payrolls are not simply the result of automation, for gross shipments and value-added also decline. The strong implication: In an information-age business, small is beautiful. Of the four horsemen of revolutionary change, the hardest to grasp is the invention of an information-age economy. How can a whole economy be based on intangible knowledge and communication? Yet intellectual capital--knowledge that can be captured and deployed to create advantage over competitors--is as vital a business concern as capital of the familiar monetary sort. Intellectual labor, too, is where the action is, a fact demonstrated by the widening gap between the pay of college-educated workers and those less schooled. Though knowledge assets and outputs are intangible, they are no less real for being so. It is possible to track the "intellectual content" of the economy. In 1991, business investment in computers and telecommunications equipment-tools of the new economy that create, sort, store, and ship knowledge--for the first time exceeded capital spending for industrial, construction, and other "old economy" equipment. The figures, while impressive, understate investment in knowledge machines because they do not show the growing intellectual ability of industrial gear. For example, more than half of machine-tool spending in the U.S. is for equipment with built-in computer numerical controls that, often, can be connected to networks. Says Jodie Glore, vice president of the automation group at industrial-controls power-house Allen-Bradley: "The electromechanical boxes we used to sell had a macho feel. You could tell that they cost a lot. Now it's, 'You see this disk . . . ?' " The new economy will transform the old and reduce its relative importance, it. The Industrial Revolution did not end agriculture, because we still have to eat, and the Information Revolution will not end industry, because we still need cans to hold beer. Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates, up to now the preeminent capitalist of the knowledge age, spends his money on a big house and fancy cars, tangible stuff indeed. The first effect of intellectual capital and knowledge work is to alter the economics of familiar goods and services--a process well under way. For example, in the now misnamed "industrialized" world, the amount of energy needed to produce a given amount of GDP has fallen 2% a year, compounded, for more than 20 years. Factory labor is less physically demanding: Gone the heroic workman, a WPA mural in living flesh, ruddy in the glow of the blast furnace; now she's likely to be a middle-aged mom, sitting in front of a screen, who attends night school to study statistical process control. Many auto repairs will soon be made not by a grease monkey with a wrench but by a technician who fixes an engine knock by reprogramming a microchip. As the usefulness of information, information technology, and information work grows, businesses find more ways to substitute them for expensive investments in physical assets, such as factories, warehouses, and inventories. By using high-speed data communications networks to track production, stock, and orders, GE Lighting has closed 26 of 34 U.S. warehouses since 1987 and replaced 25 customer service centers with one new, high-tech center. In effect, those buildings and stockpiles--physical assets--have been replaced by networks and databases--intellectual assets. Similarly, the cost of establishing a retail bank branch has shrunk: You can find one inside the door of the supermarket, next to the Coke machine. Especially in the Christmas shopping season, each day's mail brings you a stack of department stores. For the right products, catalogue retailers will migrate to computer or television networks. Rent in cyberspace is even cheaper than catalogue space, and much lower than rent at the mall. The shift to the information economy, like globalization, computerization, and the management revolution, appears first as a way E old jobs more cheaply of doing old jobs more cheaply. For those on efficiency's receiving end, it is a threat. But the drive for efficiency has also paid to string 12 million miles of optical fiber in the U.S., and, long before any couch potato has ordered up video-on-demand, efficiency will pay for a lot more construction of the electronic superhighway, the infrastructure of the information economy. That endeavor, says Paul Saffo, an analyst at the Institute for the Future in Menlo Park, California, "is a full-employment act for entrepreneurs." Compared with trade in traditional goods and services, commerce in knowledge is startup heaven. Entry barriers are low. Distribution and marketing of information need little capital; they don't even require access to a printing press anymore. Many products and services can be distributed electronically. The second-order effect of change, opportunity, is the unpredictable one. Gottlieb Daimler, Ransom Olds, and their pals thought they had invented an improvement on the horse. They did not know that the automobile would fill the countryside with suburbs--which, in turn, created thousands of jobs building houses, making lawnmowers, and delivering pizza. The knowledge economy is still so young that we have few hints of its second-order effects, in the view of Richard Collin, who studies the subject as director of Neurope Lab, a think tank in Archamps, France, near Geneva. Says Collin: "Today we are thinking in terms of using knowledge to improve productivity in our old businesses--how to do the same with less. Tomorrow we will think of competition--how to do more in new businesses." It makes sense that the core business of the knowledge economy will be . . . knowledge. Information, like electricity, does nothing unless it is harnessed in useful devices, like appliances. All kinds of appliance makers--writers of software, creators of databases--are beginning to fill the information-age business directory. The most valuable devices will be those that help business and people cope with change. Says consultant Fred Wiersema: "Management today has to think like a fighter pilot. When things move so fast, you can't always make the right decision-so you have to learn to adjust, to correct more quickly." The same imperative holds for individuals. Says Kovac: "Today the job is You Inc. When I came to Goodyear in 1958, my chances of promotion were one in eight. For a young person today, they are one in 30, and it's going to one in 50. But I think my children and grandchildren will have more opportunities than I did. They'll just be different." For Dustin Hoffman, as The Graduate In 1967, the future was plastics. 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598.27 | CPDW::ROSCH | Wed Dec 15 1993 09:30 | 11 | ||
How's this.... Russia very shortly becomes facist. This forces the US to bring Hungary & Poland into NATO and maybe Czech and/or Slovakia. This also stops the disinvestment in armaments and the US and NATO start to consolidate. If this even _mildly_ comes about it'll put the global economy into hyper-inflation to cover the increase in debt. Gold goes through the roof. Am I all wet? [damp, moist...?] | |||||
598.28 | i can see what your saying... | CARROL::YOUNG | where is this place in space??? | Wed Dec 15 1993 13:07 | 18 |
i don't think you're all wet...even without the return of totalitarianism in Russia, we have far more pressing problems here at home...the deficit this year will be about 300 Billion dollars and in case no one is paying attention, the Clinton administration just cut the expected Deficit reduction through 1995 from 98 Billion to 53 Billion, much of this because of the costs associated with NAFTA, Crime Prevention and the Health Plan. If this present Administration and Congress fail to rein in the Deficit and get the budget under control, i think that your scenario will still play out in higher interest rates, higher inflation and a long term downturn in the Dow. i'm definitly Bullish and am putting money into Gold and short term cash positions, i'm willing over the next year to take a meager 3% return to sit on the sidelines and see what takes place. Dugo | |||||
598.29 | RE: Gold - I heard ads on the radio this AM for gold options trading, ... | YUPPIE::COLE | Opposite of progress: Con-gress | Wed Dec 15 1993 17:29 | 2 |
... and talking about "... world events now occuring ..." that could drive gold back to the $500+ neighborhood. | |||||
598.30 | When EVERYBODY knows, EVERYBODY is wrong | VMSDEV::HALLYB | Fish have no concept of fire | Thu Dec 16 1993 08:26 | 18 |
Ahh, but when the ads make it to the media you know the end of the move must be near. When the story makes the news proper (not just the ads) it's time to think about going the other way. Last August CNN featured a news story about Fido's �en currency mutual fund, and how well it had done. Sure enough, the �/$ rate topped out a week or two later. Christmas 1985 I saw a news story about how Harrod's (dep't. store) in London was accepting dollars on par with � sterling, the dollar was so strong. That rate topped out in January and fell almost 50% in the next 6 years. In all of the above cases the price stopped just short of a nice round number (1�/�, $1/�, $2/�). I would not be surprized to see gold run up to $498 and turn back. Maybe another month or so. John |