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Conference nyoss1::market_investing

Title:Market Investing
Moderator:2155::michaud
Created:Thu Jan 23 1992
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1060
Total number of notes:10477

531.0. "midwest flooding/corn futures" by DWOMV2::KINNEY () Mon Jul 19 1993 14:13

    Can anyone speculate on the performance of futures in corn and
    soybeans...taking in the effects of the flooding in the mid-west?
    
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531.1soybean soup, anyone!NEADEV::SAMPSONOn the Road Again - and again - and..Mon Jul 19 1993 16:097
    It simply takes a look at the WSJ to see that November Soybeans futures
    have gone from about $4.50 to about $8.50 the last time I looked.
    However, who has that money to play with or if something goes really
    bad who has room for 10,000 bushels of soybeans in their backyard!
    
    dave
    
531.2them beans them beans them SoybeansVMSDEV::HALLYBFish have no concept of fireMon Jul 19 1993 23:1244
>    It simply takes a look at the WSJ to see that November Soybeans futures
>    have gone from about $4.50 to about $8.50 the last time I looked.
    
    Actually it's more correct to say about $5.75 to about $7.50 which
    ain't much for common stocks but is A LOT ($8750 less $35 commission)
    in the futures biz.
    
>    However, who has that money to play with or if something goes really
>    bad who has room for 10,000 bushels of soybeans in their backyard!
    
    YOU do!  Prior to about two weeks ago the bean margin was $950, but
    with all the recent volatility they've upped the margins to $2400 or
    so per contract.  Margin is not a purchase cost, just money you have to
    leave with your broker to debit losses and hopefully credit wins.
    
    As far as bushels of beans in your backyard, rest assured that is an
    old stockbroker's tale, probably designed to scare you off futures much
    like kids stories make them afraid of the dark.  In the drought  of 1988 
    I took delivery of 10,000 bushels of oats...which amounted to an extra
    $100 of paperwork and $70 commission.  Nothing showed up at my house, 
    nor would it have -- "delivery" is paperwork.  Oh yeah, I had a days'
    worth of storage charges too...maybe $25.
    
    That said, beans are pretty volatile.  Everyone who phoned his broker
    with a market order to buy beans this morning ended up losing $1,000
    per contract on the day.  The pit locals made out like bandits.  Corn
    ran much the same story, except corn moves about 1/3rd of beans so is
    less volatile and needs less margin.
    
    One market letter, written by a grizzled RICH old veteran who will remain
    nameless, says the upcoming August 11th USDA Crop Report will show FAR
    less bean acreage than the market expects, with a strong move expected.
    
    On the other hand, my charting service recently announced, in effect,
    HEY GUYS!  COMMERCIAL INTERESTS ARE HEAVILY NET SHORT GOLD AND SOYBEANS!
    Meaning the Strong Hands expect prices to decline; the producers have
    sold their product but the consumers have not yet bought.  Since these
    folks ARE the market ultimately, they tend to be on the right side
    of things.  'Course a dry August and early frost would make liars of them.
    
    You can buy or sell with equal ease ... all ya gotta do is decide what
    direction the market will take.
    
      John
531.3NBR sez China sold 6 TONS of goldVMSDEV::HALLYBFish have no concept of fireFri Aug 06 1993 09:0210
>    On the other hand, my charting service recently announced, in effect,
>    HEY GUYS!  COMMERCIAL INTERESTS ARE HEAVILY NET SHORT GOLD AND SOYBEANS!
>    Meaning the Strong Hands expect prices to decline; the producers have
>    sold their product but the consumers have not yet bought.
    
    Since the close of business the day that note was entered, sellers of
    gold have netted $1600 and sellers of beans netted $3000.  Per contract.
    Buyers would have lost the same amount.
    
      John
531.4Charting service?COMET::RINESMITHTradition = Water in God's clay!Tue Sep 28 1993 13:286
    RE: Note 531.3 by VMSDEV::HALLYB "Fish have no concept of fire" 
    
    
>    On the other hand, my charting service recently announced, in effect,
    
    OKay, so tell us more about this charting service.
531.5VMSDEV::HALLYBFish have no concept of fireTue Sep 28 1993 14:1113
    Commodity Trend Service Futures Charts
    P.O. 32309
    Palm Beach Gardens FL 33420
    1-800-331-1069	+1.407.694.0960
    $450/year		US$635 foreign
    
    I usually have their latest charts; you can stop by my office in ZKO
    and have a look.
    
    Commercial holdings in gold and soybeans have moved back to neutral,
    indicating the longer trends are turning.
    
      John