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Conference nyoss1::market_investing

Title:Market Investing
Moderator:2155::michaud
Created:Thu Jan 23 1992
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1060
Total number of notes:10477

480.0. "Bond Fund decision" by DPDMAI::VETEIKIS () Tue May 25 1993 00:48

    Okay, I'm a short-timer. I've only been invested in bond funds for
    about 2 years now and over that time interest rates have by and large
    gone down.
    
    So here is my question: What is your stategy for when interest rates
    start to go back up again? Do I pull all or most of my money out
    quickly, like when the prime goes up 1% in two months, or do I ride it
    out? What indicators do you look for to make this decision?
    
    Any and all advice is appreciated.
    
    Curt
    
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480.1VMSDEV::HAMMONDCharlie Hammond -- ZKO3-04/S23 -- dtn 381-2684Tue May 25 1993 10:2037
> So here is my question:  What is your strategy for when interest rates 
> start to go back up again?  Do I pull all or most of my money out 
> quickly, like when the prime goes up 1% in two months, or do I ride it 
> out?  What indicators do you look for to make this decision?
    
      Why did you invest in bonds?  Fixed income?  Capital appreciation?
      Better returns than money market funds?
      
      Are they long, intermediate or short term?

      What alternative investments are you considering?
      
      The basic question you must ask is if the total return of the bond
      fund -- i.e. yield +/- capital gain/loss --  is  better  or  worse
      than  the total return of the alternative.  Both adjusted for risk
      and taxes.
      
      OPINIONS:   
      
          If  you were after capital appreciation, you've already got it
          and may want to sell now.
      
          If you were after fixed income, hold "forever".
          
          Short  term  bonds are less interest sensitive than long term,
          so, if you're seeking better returns than money funds, move to
          short  term  bonds and keep an anxious eye on interest rates.�
          Your hypothetical 1% increase is a reasonable signal on  which
          to sell, provided that you think it is the start of a trend.
      
          If  you  have  confidence  that  some other investment will do
          better, sell your bonds and buy the alternative.   (Pardon  me
          for stating the obvious.)
          
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      �A  portion  of  my porfolio is doing just this with SCUDDER SHORT
      TERM BOND FUND.
480.2Good food for thought...DPDMAI::VETEIKISTue May 25 1993 11:3126
    re. .1

    Thanks for some good advice.

    Since I am in my early 30s and I'm trying to grow my investments over
    the long-haul, my investments in bonds is a small part of my overall 
    portfolio (20%). However, I did break it up by making an investment in
    long-term, intermediate term, short-term and an international bond fund.
    My reasoning on doing this was to get the learning experience of better
    understanding how these bond fund behave.

    My question was more directed at what people define as "a trend" as far
    as interest rates go and how you use this to make decisions about bond
    funds.

    If I follow what you are saying, if the interest rates start to go up, 
    then I need to be most concerned about my Long-term Bond Fund, and
    shift that money elsewhere, right? Would you consider a 1% jump "a
    trend?"
    
    I'm trying to understand what people believe are the best indicators of
    a true trend.
    
    Thanks for your advice.
    
    Curt
480.3SOLVIT::REDZIN::DCOXTue May 25 1993 12:0046
    as in .1, the only thing that matters is what your personal investment
    goals are.  If you are concerned about "market trends" for any reason
    other than curiosity, you are asking for trouble (or at least,
    sleepless nights). Peter Lynch comments in Time Magazine (and I
    paraphrase), "If you spend 14 minutes a year thinking about the market,
    you have spent 12 minutes too many."  Historically, the only time
    people have accurately defined a trend was after it was over.
    
    
    I, too, will re-state the obvious.
    
    Set your investment goals.
    
    Invest in those vehicles (common stock, bonds, mutual funds, etc) that
    historically meet your goals.
    
    Diversify, diversify, diversify.
    
    Understanding that all investment vehicles have cycles; do not sell out
    when they sag and do not buy more just because they are doing real
    great.  That is, buy low, sell high.
    
    Most important, constantly review the performances of your vehicles as
    to how well they meet your goals.  If they don't, sell.  If they do,
    hold.
    
    If your goals change, re-assess your investments.
    
    
    As for the impact that interest rates will have on total ROI of Bonds,
    Stocks, etc;.... Each morning I watch CBN (Business news).  They have a
    different "industry respected" prognosticator on each day offering
    opinions and predictions.  During the course of a month's reports, you
    will hear contrary opinions on the same subject - even from the same
    guru.  You will also, if you have a good memory, note that the
    prognosticators' crystal balls are cloudy, at best.  Last week the
    consensus was that if the Fed even hinted at raising rates to counter
    inflation, the DOW would dive and Bonds would suffer as well.  Monday,
    the Fed hinted at the probable need to increase rates if inflation
    warnings continue; the DOW jumped up and Bonds followed.
    
    But then, I could be all wet.
    
    As always, For What It's Worth.....
    
    Dave