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Conference nyoss1::market_investing

Title:Market Investing
Moderator:2155::michaud
Created:Thu Jan 23 1992
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1060
Total number of notes:10477

393.0. "US Macroeconomic data. Discussion thereof." by SMAUG::GARROD (From VMS -> NT; Unix a mere page from history) Mon Feb 22 1993 20:11

    Some macro economic questions.
    
    The US Government debt is about 4 Trillion dollars ie the government
    owes $16,000 on behalf of every man woman and child in the USA.
    I'm curious as to other figures:
    
    1, How much of that $4 trillion is owed to people in the USA and
       how much to people outside the USA.
    
    2, How much does the USA owe to the rest of the world (includes both
       private and public debt) ie how much is the accumulated trade
       imbalance.
    
    3, What percentage of assets in the US (eg real estate) is owned by
       non US entities? What is the $ amount of this.
    
    4, How much does the US have invested in other countries
    
    Given all these figures I'd like to have a discussion on what it all
    means and what will happen to the financial markets medium and long
    term based on this data.
    
    Dave
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393.1My 2 cents....YIELD::KHANTue Feb 23 1993 13:4619
RE: -1
    
    
    > 3, What percentage of assets in the US (eg real estate) is owned by
    >   non US entities? What is the $ amount of this.
    
    	I can answer part of this one....$90-100 billion invested by
    	British firms and individuals...They are # 1 in buying up the
        US contrary to popular belief that it is the Japanese....I recall
    	that the Japanese have invested around $50-60billion in the US
    
    	Of course, not forgetting that the Japanese and the British hold
    	and buy regularly huge amounts of T-bills....so I am not sure
    	what one can call that 'their investments' or 'our debt'. 
    
    	Standard Disclamiers apply.....
    
    
    AK 
393.2A referenceDEMING::SORRELLSLike to heah it? Heah it go.Wed Feb 24 1993 15:0216
    .1 is in the right order of magnitude, but those numbers include
    plants, machinery, land, mineral rights...    I think The Netherlands
    is right behind Japan.
    
    Note:
    A confusing factor is the definition of a foreign entity:  A
    company whose ownership is x% foreign??? US subsidiaries of
    foreign interests???
    
    Anyway, I can give you the place to look:  The Statistical Abstract 
    of the United States - Any Library (e.g. Town of Maynard) has it.
    Numbers may be two years old, though.  You'll get a breakdown by
    country such as the numbers in .1, or by property as in my first
    sentence or by state.  You'll also see that these foreign-owned 
    interests employ around 3 million Americans.
         
393.3Currency tooMAYDAY::ANDRADEThe sentinel (.)(.)Wed Jul 07 1993 05:2018
    Also need to look at the currency.
    
    How much forein currency does the US hold, and how much US currency do
    foreign nations hold.
    
    US currency held outside of the US, means that the US owes the holders.
    And that if those same holders call in for payment all at once, the US
    currency could suffer a serious inflationary surge.
    
    Just look at what just recently happened to half of the European
    currencies. Forced devaluation that will delay that much longer their
    recovery.
    
    It just goes to show that currency also represents governament debt,
    one not often called in,  but that is there never-the-less and that 
    should not be ignored.   Less it hit you when you lest can aford it.
    
    	Gil
393.4Datum, if it helpsVMSDEV::HALLYBFish have no concept of fireWed Jul 07 1993 08:461
    I have read that U.S. foreign currency holdings amount to ~ $33 billion
393.5Only a blipTLE::JBISHOPWed Jul 07 1993 11:0618
    When the dollar was backed by gold (until 1972 for international
    exchanges), this was an issue, but it no longer is.
    
    If Germany, to take an example, holds N billion dollars, it can
    buy US products and services, but it can't "call for payment" in
    anything else.  This might create a slight upward blip in prices,
    but in a multi-trillion dollar GNP it wouldn't be huge.
    
    If Germany were to sell the dollars on the markets for marks (or
    yen or pounds...), that would drive the dollar down a bit, which
    would raise import prices, but again without a big impact.
    
    If all the holders of dollars were to simultaneously use them to
    buy US goods, land, and so on, there would be a biggish upward
    blip.  But not a huge one--and it would be a one-time event, not
    a trend.
    
    		-John Bishop
393.6$39 CD with macroeconomic data and a whole lot moreVMSDEV::HALLYBFish have no concept of fireFri Aug 05 1994 14:4829
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    I don't usually post ads, but this is first economical :-) source of
    economic data. Things like CPI monthly data, economic-related census 
    data, monthly employment figures, petroleum imports/usage/etc.,
    personal income, salaries, inventories, disposable personal income,
    defense expenditures, on and on and on. A lot of the data goes back 
    to 1947, energy to 1973 (guess why?) and a few items date only from 1980.
    Plus statistics from Germany, Canada, Switzerland, Japan and the UK.
    
    Some of the data are in Lotus format, some in ASCII.
    
    So if you've ever had a hankering to compare housing starts against 
    next quarter's change in business inventories, or CPI less food and 
    energy against GDP, this is an inexpensive source.
    
      John
393.7RANGER::DIFONZOMon Aug 08 1994 14:268
    re: .6 
    
    John,
    
    	Do you have the phone number to call from the US?
    
    Thanks,
    	John
393.8OopsVMSDEV::HALLYBFish have no concept of fireTue Aug 09 1994 09:227
    Voice 1.800.927.8222
    
      Fax 1.803.298.0221
    
    Sorry about that.
    
      John