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Conference nyoss1::market_investing

Title:Market Investing
Moderator:2155::michaud
Created:Thu Jan 23 1992
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1060
Total number of notes:10477

206.0. "Gifts to Minors" by LANDO::OBRIEN (Give it a TRI) Tue May 19 1992 14:41

    The topic of 
    		Uniform "GIFT" to Minors
    
    			 and 
    		Uniform "TRANSFER" to Minors
    
    
    	was discussed briefly in INVESTING but I wasn't able to determine
    the following.
    
    The federal law states that you can 'transfer' money up to 10k per
    child per year.  You are then the custodian of that money and CAN, at
    any time, transfer it back to yourself.
    
    However, some state DO NOT allow you to transfer it back to yourself. 
    You have to prove that it was spent for the childs' benefit.
    
    Our intention is to GIFT/TRANSFER it to our children, use the dividends
    on them(and we wouldn't be taxed for the first $500 per) and in the
    event of need(purchase more expensive house, need new car, emergency),
    transfer it back to ourselves.
    
    Do you know whether Massachusetts is one of those states and/or do I
    have this straight?
    
    thank you
    
    	-John
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206.1Sounds wrong--check with an expert!TLE::JBISHOPTue May 19 1992 15:5710
    If you hold on the right to take the money back, you better consult
    a lawyer to get all the details right (if it's possible at all).
    
    I consulted a lawyer for a trust I set up.  I got the impression that
    if you have the right to take money back you can't treat the income on
    that money as income to your children--it stays your income.
    
    So while I'm not a lawyer, etc., I don't think you have the law right.
    
    		-John Bishop
206.2Can I use UGTM to pay for elementary schoolsI18N::GREENWOODTim. ISE/DA. 381-0575Tue May 19 1992 18:414
Can I use the Uniform Gifts or Transfer to Minors to set up a fund to pay 
private school fees ?

Tim
206.3Go to Law Library & Read the LawAKOCOA::GLANTZTue May 19 1992 23:4913
    In Massachusetts, you can use the money in the UGTMA account only for
    the benefit of the named child.  That means private school for said
    child is OK; buying a bigger house for yourself is not.
    
    Remember, you have to provide an annual accounting to your child, so
    you want to set a responsible example of prudent investments and
    expenditures, right?   In my own case, I thought it was instructive to
    have to explain to my child why Daddy thought Miniscribe was a great
    company -- groan!
    
    Remember also, at age 18 in Massachusetts, the balance in the account
    must be transferred to the child.  He can use it for a college, or he
    can blow it on a Porsche.
206.4where?EPIK::FINNERTYThe bug stops hereWed May 20 1992 09:395
    
    re: go to a law library & read the law
    
        where would this law be defined?
    
206.5Chapter 201A of the MA General LawsAKOCOA::GLANTZSun May 24 1992 17:5737
    Pertinent portion of Section 4:
    
    "The custodian shall pay over to the minor for expenditure by him, or
    expend for the minor's benefit, so much of or all the custodial
    property as the custodian deems advisable for the support, maintenance,
    education and benifit of the minor in the manner, at the time or times,
    and to the extent that the custodian in his discretion deems suitable
    and proper, with or without court order, with or without regard to the
    duty of himself or of any other person to support the minor or his
    ability to do so, and with or without regard to any other income or
    property of the minor which may be applicable or available for any such
    purpose."
    
    "To the extent that the custodial property is not so expended, the
    custodian shall deliver or pay over to the minor on his attaining the
    age of eighteen years or, if the minor dies before attaining the age of
    eighteen years, he shall thereupon deliver or pay it over to the estate
    of the minor."
    
    "The custodian shall keep accounts of all his transactions with respect
    to the property held by him as custodian and shall exhibit his accounts
    at least once each year to the minor if over the age of fourteen years;
    if the minor be not over fourteen, the custodian shall exhibit his
    accounts at least once each year to a parent of the minor if different
    from the custodian himself, or if not different, to the legally
    appointed guardian of the minor, if any, or in the absence of a parent
    different from the custodian or of a guardian, the custodian shall
    exhibit his accounts at least once each year to an adult member of the
    minor's family ..."
    
    "A custodian who is not compensated for his services shall not be
    liable for losses to the custodial property unless they result from his
    bad faith, intentional wrongdoing or gross negligence or from his
    failure to maintain the standard of prudence in investing the custodial
    property provided in this chapter."