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Conference nyoss1::market_investing

Title:Market Investing
Moderator:2155::michaud
Created:Thu Jan 23 1992
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127.0. "No Load International Mutual Fund Investing" by CGOOA::DURNIN () Wed Mar 25 1992 12:18

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Note 2367.0                No-Load International Funds                No replies
CGOOA::DURNIN                                        17 lines  25-JAN-1992 15:20
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    Hi,

    I have re-entered this note as it just squeaked in under the wire before
    the original investing notesfile was closed.  Novice notes user that I 
    am, I couldn't figure out why no one ever responded.  To add to this, I
    didn't look closely at the heading.
    
    What is the current scoop on No-Load International Fund investing.  I would 
    like to invest in a US based International fund.  Does anyone have
    information on the top rated International Funds.  What is their 
    performance over 3, 5, or 10 years and possibly any fee or expense ratio 
    information. Please comment in this note and perhaps reference note 1843 
    in the original "investing" notes conferencewhere this 
    topic was discussed in relative detail 1.5 years ago.  I realize that
    U.S. invested funds have had a good run but believe that the
    international scene will outperform over the next 1-2 years.
    
    Some of the fund groups that I've come across are:
    
    Janus, 20th Century, Rushmore, Vangaurd, T. Rowe Price, Templeton,
    Evergreen, Windsor, Scudder.          
    
    Thanks in Advance,  Jim Durnin
                                  
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127.1Int'l SuggestionsAKOCOA::GLANTZWed Mar 25 1992 22:2919
    There was an article on building a mutual fund portfolio in the 3/18/92
    edition of the Wall St J.
    
    One financial advisor recommended index funds:
    	8% in Vanguard Int'l Index - Pacific
    	7% in Vanguard Int'l Index - European
    
    Another financial advisor recommended playing the current fashion:
    	35% in Harbor Int'l Fund
    
    A third FA said invest with the stars.  He recommended:
    	30% in Harbor Int'l Fund
    
    A fourth FA suggested:
    	6-14% in T. Rowe Price Int'l Stock 
    
    
    To get a prospectus from Harbor, call their answering machine at any
    time at (800) 422-1050, and leave your name and address.
127.2Definitions wantedTPSYS::SHAHAmitabh Shah - Just say NO to decaf.Thu Mar 26 1992 18:0210
	Somewhat tangential to the base note request, but...

	WSJ, on page C_last-2 gives Mutual Fund Scorecards by various 
	categories. Amongst the international categories, WSJ uses at least
	3 different ones: International, Global, and World (Income). 

	OTOH, Lipper only maintains an International Index. 

	Would someone please explain to me the differences between these
	three categories?
127.3NYFDIN::SAMBAMURTYRajaThu Mar 26 1992 20:5314
   Re: <<< Note 127.2 by TPSYS::SHAH "Amitabh Shah - Just say NO to decaf." >>>
    
    Global funds can invest in the U.S as well as outside of the U.S.,
    whereas In'tl funds invest only in foriegn equities & sometimes fixed
    income (of course they all usually have a provision to go 100% U.S 
    Treasuries for defensive reasons). I am not entirely sure what World
    income is, but it sounds like a In'tl (global) bond fund.
    
    Re: .0
    
    Some of acclaimed Int'l funds are, Harbor & Templton funds. The latter
    has a big load. I personally have had money in the Scudder fund for the
    last 2 years and it really hasn't gone anywhere (then again most In'tl
    funds have had 2 bad years).
127.4More info neededCGOOA::DURNINFri Mar 27 1992 15:1042
 
Hi,

re.1 ... If you still have the article here are a couple of questions that 
might save me a trip to the downtown library....thanks

As well, for other readers of this note.... How about commenting on Global
Funds as well here as these have a free rein in choosing the best investment
market U.S. included!!!!!

    There was an article on building a mutual fund portfolio in the 3/18/92
    edition of the Wall St J.
    
    One financial advisor recommended index funds:
    	8% in Vanguard Int'l Index - Pacific
  	7% in Vanguard Int'l Index - European

>> What other percentages did this fellow recommend for other parts of the
   portfolio.

    Another financial advisor recommended playing the current fashion:
    	35% in Harbor Int'l Fund

>> I have not heard of Harbor. Can you comment at all about it's manager and 
   the performance record of the fund medium to long term.  Also, the fact
   that it is recommended by 2 FA's must indicate something.  Maybe, the 
   manager is the next Lynch??? or has his track record.
    
    A third FA said invest with the stars.  He recommended:
    	30% in Harbor Int'l Fund
    
    A fourth FA suggested:
    	6-14% in T. Rowe Price Int'l Stock 
       
    To get a prospectus from Harbor, call their answering machine at any
    time at (800) 422-1050, and leave your name and address.

>> The 1-800 number does not work from my calling area. Can you publish the 
   regular phone number and address of this fund.....Thanks for your help!!
    
    Jim
    
127.5The poop on Index portfolio & Harbor Int'lAKOCOA::GLANTZSat Mar 28 1992 18:1038
Following up on .1 and .4:

The Wall St. J. article on building the right mutual fund portfolio
recommended several ways to do it, depending on your philosophy. 

Not many investors realize that 3/4 of all general equity mutual funds 
underperformed the S&P 500 Index over the past 5 years.  Index mutual funds 
emulate popular stock or bond market indices.  Such funds have low expenses,
since they don't have to pay for analysts. 

The portfolio recommended for proponents of this style of investing is:

     43%  Vanguard Index - 500             --\  or 60% Vanguard Total 
     17%  Vanguard Index - Extended Market --/  	Stock Market
      8%  Vanguard Int'l Index - Pacific   		
      7%  Vanguard Int'l Index - European
     25%  Vanguard Bond Market  [should vary this percentage with your age]

     				---

InternationaL funds have not as fared well as U.S. growth funds over the past
3 years; but among the internationals, Morningstar says Harbor "looks fantas-
tic".  Quoting Morningstar further, "manager Castegren has generated superior 
results by ... treading cautiously in the pricey Japanese market, [keeping]
his Japan bet to a mere 10% of assets.  And Castegren has completely avoided
Germany.  Castegren prefers to invest in the world's smaller markets, which can
be exceptionally profitable.  He made a mint on the Pacific Rim this year, as
Hong Kong, Australia, and Singapore soared.  Meanwhile a 10% Mexican stake
proved red hot.  Such off-beat bets have made Harbor one of the best
international funds around." 

An article in Barron's, 1/6/92, p. 33, says about Castegren, "His record is 
phenomenal."  [relative to other international funds]

The fund has only been around since 12/29/87.  Minimum purchase is $2000.

Here's their regular phone number: (419) 247-2477
And their address:  One SeaGate, Toledo OH 43666
127.6BEA/Lazard-Freres/Morgan StanleyCGOOA::DURNINSun Mar 29 1992 17:4327
    Hi, 
    
    Thanks .1 for you valuable input.... How about everyone else!!!
    
    In Canada, one of the interesting and profitable funds of recent is the
    Universal Global Fund run by New York based BEA and Associates.  Run 
    specifically by Emilio Bassini (spelling?) this fund likely has a 
    philosophy similar to Harbor.  The manager has invested significantly
    in Mexico and the Pacific Rim emerging markets and is a stellar
    Canadian performer.
    
    I understand that BEA has some closed end funds trading on the NYSE and 
    possibly/likely a U.S. based Mutual Fund.  They have been written up 
    in Barron's and listed as one of the top U.S. based International Fund
    Managers.  If anyone owns any of its U.S. based products perhaps they
    can comment further.
    
    One other Canadian based International/Global Fund is BPI
    International.  Managed until recently by Morgan Stanley Asset Mgt., It
    is now managed by Lazard-Freres (spelling) out of the U.S.. Both of
    these companies have appeared as well in the Barron's annual survey
    of top investment advisors.  Any comments????
    
    Thanks for Now and let's see if we can get some more
    discussion...please
    
    Jim
127.7T. Rowe Price Intl./ Janus FundCGOOA::DURNINTue Apr 21 1992 21:3216
    Hi,
    
    I've done some research on International Funds based out of the US. 
    The top ones that I come up with are T. Rowe Price Intl., Vanguard
    World International Growth.
    
    These are both no load funds and I believe the edge goes to T. Rowe in
    that they have superior performance over Vanguard.
    
    Also a little off topic here is that the Janus Fund appears to be an
    excellent performer as a no load fund.  This is a growth fund US based
    investments mostly.
    
    Regards,
    
    Jim