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Conference nyoss1::market_investing

Title:Market Investing
Moderator:2155::michaud
Created:Thu Jan 23 1992
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1060
Total number of notes:10477

21.0. "20'th Century Giftrust" by EPIK::FINNERTY () Fri Jan 24 1992 19:56

    
    I've read over the prospectus for 20'th Century Giftrust... the
    specific tax benefits of setting up the trust weren't very clear to me,
    and 20'th Century is *very* hard to reach by phone these days.
    
    Can anyone explain the tax benefits of this fund? 
    
       /Jim
    
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21.1Gift of future interest ==> gift tax must be paidMINAR::BISHOPFri Jan 24 1992 19:5614
    Strictly speaking, there are no tax benefits: a gift via Giftrust is
    a gift of future interest and so is not excludable under the $10,000
    per giver per givee per year system: you have to file a gift-tax
    return.
    
    Unlike the $10,000 stuff, it can be set up to last as a trust long
    after the recipient passes 21.  That extra control is what you're
    buying along with the management.
    
    As part of a long-term plan it may help reduce the total tax burden
    on your estate (by paying now on X dollars rather then after your death
    on far more than X) and so can be called beneficial in that sense.
    
    		-John Bishop
21.2doesn't sound like a good tuition planEPIK::FINNERTYFri Jan 24 1992 19:565
    
    Who has to pay tax on the gift of future interest, at what time, and at
    whose tax rate?
    
    
21.3Giver paysMINAR::BISHOPFri Jan 24 1992 19:565
    It's the standard gift tax rate, paid at the time of the gift,
    and the giver pays.  Gift tax works almost exactly like estate
    taxes: starts high and goes higher.
    
    		-John Bishop
21.4thanks but no thanksEPIK::FINNERTYFri Jan 24 1992 19:5614
    
    So if you make a donation to a child in the amount of $10K, you'll pay
    taxes on it today if it is a gift of future interest, but you'll pay no
    taxes if you just place it into a custodial account.  (sounds like a
    pretty bad deal)
    
    But unlike a custodial account, the money does not become the childs'
    when they reach a certain age...  you still maintain some kind of
    control over the funds (I'm a bit fuzzy about this part).
    
    Thanks for the explanation... GiftTrust doesn't sound like its for me.
    
       /Jim
    
21.5See my notes on trustsMINAR::BISHOPFri Jan 24 1992 19:566
    Uniform Gift to Minors  -- they always get it at 18, 10K rule applies.
    Irrevocable Trust -------- if they get it before 21, then 10K rule
    			       applies, otherwise gift is taxed
    Giftrust ----------------- always taxed, but can terminate at any age.
    
    			-John Bishop