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1052.1 | | TECRUS::REDFORD | If this's the future I want vanilla | Mon Feb 24 1992 19:21 | 7 |
| ... and thy spaceship SHALL be 40 cubits in length and 10 cubits
in breadth with 2 cubit combustion chambers. And thou SHALT find
two of each species, one egg and one sperm, to take on the voyage
I shall set for you...
Sounds like a familiar story... Religion seems to be intruding
more and more into Card's work. /jlr
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1052.2 | | SA1794::CHARBONND | raw, cold, dead fish place | Tue Feb 25 1992 07:42 | 2 |
| re.1 Agreed. Maybe he should just rewrite the bible and get it out of
his system ;-)/2
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1052.3 | Hmm ... | HELIX::KALLIS | Pumpkins -- Nature's greatest gift | Tue Feb 25 1992 08:24 | 7 |
| Re .last_two:
At least in the Bible they took more than two of each species ....
(Gen 7:2-3, 8-9)
Steve Kallis, Jr.
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1052.4 | A Common Trick | CUPMK::WAJENBERG | and the Cthulhuettes | Tue Feb 25 1992 09:25 | 17 |
| Re .1 & .2:
Ringing variations on the Bible is a grand old SF tradition -- so much
a tradition that I have seen guidelines from magazines including "And
we DON'T want to see the story about two stranded space-travelers who
turn out to be Adam and Eve ... yet again."
Roger Zelazny used the trick very cutely in "Lord of Light," and made
it the axis of "For a Breath I Tarry." Lots of robot- and computer-
centered SF plays on the god:human::human:robot analogy, going all the
way back to Karl Capek's "Rossum's Universal Robots," the play where
the "robot" was introduced.
If you're going to convey the godlike role of a character to a Western
audience, it's a very natural ploy.
Earl Wajenberg
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1052.5 | Card's religion | I18N::SZETO | Simon Szeto, International Sys. Eng. | Tue Feb 25 1992 22:30 | 8 |
| >Religion seems to be intruding
> more and more into Card's work.
Card is after all a Mormon. But perhaps you're saying that,
notwithstanding that fact, you'd prefer less religion in his work?
--Simon
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1052.6 | | OASS::MDILLSON | Generic Personal Name | Wed Feb 26 1992 10:24 | 9 |
| re .5
Actually a former Morman elder who is estranged with the church. He is
not irreligious by any means, but he does not approve of religion for
religion's sake.
This is, after all, the man who brought us the "Secular Humanist
Revival", a camp revival based on the studies of secular humanism
vis-a-vis the church's position on the world.
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1052.7 | member_of_church <> religious_writer | VCSESU::BRANAM | Steve, VAXcluster Sys Supp Eng LTN2-2/F15, DTN 226-6056 | Wed Feb 26 1992 17:05 | 6 |
| Remember too that just because he is a Mormon doesn't mean everything he writes
has to be related to religion. The fact that much of his work *is* indicates
that it does influence his life, but I read a lot of his work before I knew
his religion, and it never occurred to me that he was any more religious than
the next person. Of course, everything he wrote may just be allegory for all
I know of Mormonism...
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1052.8 | | AUNTB::MONTGOMERY | Who? Frozen Ghost?! | Wed Apr 29 1992 16:54 | 5 |
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After "Xenocide" I think I'll wait till the SFBC offers it. About how
long will that be?
Helen
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1052.9 | | SHARE::GRIFFIN | MUST CREATE A SENSE OF URGENCY | Sat Feb 13 1993 14:21 | 6 |
| A good book, well worth the 4.95 paperback price, easy to
read, lots of interesting characters and lots of possibilities
on what can happen in the next four to come. I've enjoyed all
of O.S.C.'s books and look forward to the next in this series.
MDG
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1052.10 | Religion isn't an issue with this! | MAY21::OTOOLE | | Wed Mar 03 1993 15:33 | 12 |
| I'm over half way through the book and I must say I'm enjoying it. The
character development is more like the original Ender's Game characters as
opposed to the more God-like Xenocide characters, which IMHO turned a
lot of people off Xenocide.
On Card's religious beliefs I don't really think they are impinging in
a negative way here. He's certainly not pontificating religious
zealousness and in character development he plays the cynics off against
the zealots very well in this book.
Looking forward to finishing this and reading all the sequels.
Joe.
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1052.11 | Homecoming:2 The Call of Earth | BASEX::GEOFFREY | Blueberries are our friends | Thu Mar 03 1994 17:22 | 43 |
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Volume 2 of the 5 volume series came out sometime ago. The
following is from the dust cover:
Title:
Homecoming: Volume 2
The Call of Earth
ISBN 0-312-93037-2
Hardcover Price $21.95
TOR Books
The Call of Earth continues the story of Nafai, his family, and the few
other people selected by the Oversoul to leave the city of Basilica,
and their former lives.
When the human refugees from a ruined Earth founded a colony on the
planet Harmony, they determined that this world would not be devastated
by the endless cycle of vicious warfare that had characterized the
human life from the beginning.
They didn't try to change human nature. Instead they installed a
powerful computer, called Oversoul, and gave it the task of governing
human affairs by subtly influencing human minds. That was millions of
years ago. Now the Oversoul is growing weak, breaking down. It must be
returned to Earth, to the master computer called the Keeper of Earth,
to be repaired. The Oversoul must have human help to make the journey.
But as the Oversoul grows weaker, a great warrior has arisen,
stronger, smarter perhaps, than Nafai and his allies. His name is
Moozh, and he is deliberately flouting the will of the Oversoul. He has
won control of an army using forbidden technology. Now he is aiming his
soldiers straight at Basilica, that strong fortress above the plains.
Who will stop him ? Basilica remains in turmoil. Wetchik and his
sons, Nafai and Issib, Elemak and Mebbekew, are not strong enough to
resist alone. Can Rasa and her allies defeat him through intrigue, or
will Moozh take the city and all who are in it ?
And meanwhile, in their dreams, the most sensitive people of the
planet Harmony hear the call of the Keeper of Earth.
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1052.12 | Homecoming:3 The Ships of Earth | BASEX::GEOFFREY | Blueberries are our friends | Thu Mar 03 1994 17:36 | 39 |
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Volume 3 of the 5 volume series came out sometime ago. The
following is from the dust cover:
Title:
Homecoming: Volume 3
The Ships of Earth
ISBN 0-312-85659-8
Hardcover Price $22.95
TOR Books
High above the planet Harmony the Oversoul watches. Its task,
programmed so many millennia ago, is to guard the human settlement on
this planet -- to protect this fragile remnant of Earth from all
threats. To protect them, most of all, from themselves.
But now the great artificial intelligence is failing. The Oversoul
has lost access to some of its memory banks, and some of its power
systems are failing. On the planet, the Oversoul is losing control of
the population. The only repair lies light-years distant on a lost and
ruined Earth; the only way to get there is to teach forbidden
technology to a few select people.
But war broke out on Harmony, and in the end the Oversoul's chosen
servants-a man named Wetchik and his son Nafai are able to escape with
only their lives. The City of Basilica is now in the hands of General
Moozh, and Wetchik and all his family have been cast out. They cannot
return on pain of death.
This third volume of the Homecoming Saga brings the Oversoul's
chosen people out of the city and across the desert wastes, to where
Harmony's spaceport lies silent, abandoned, waiting for the command to
make the great interstellar ships ready for flight again. But of these
sixteen people, only a handful have chosen their exile; the others,
Rasa's spiteful daughters and their husbands, Wetchik's oldest son
Elemak, have been forced along against their will. Their anger and
hatreds will make the difficult journey harder.
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1052.13 | Memory of Earth review | JVERNE::KLAES | Be Here Now | Wed Mar 16 1994 15:20 | 82 |
| Article: 525
From: Humphrey Aaron V <dg-rtp!amisk.cs.ualberta.ca!aaron>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.reviews
Subject: Prograde Reviews--Orson Scott Card:The Memory of Earth
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 94 16:43:48 GMT
Organization: not specified
Orson Scott Card:The Memory of Earth [some spoilers]
I confess, the first thing I thought when _The Memory of Earth_ came
out was, "He's in the middle of two series(at least), and he's
starting _another_ one?" But eventually I calmed down and figured
that if I bought this one, he'd be more likely to continue with
something I was reading. So I did.
Card is one of those authors who continue to surprise me. His style
is quite consistent (barring anomalies like _Hart's Hope_*) and eminently
readable. But I guess it's more a case of "Where does he get his ideas?"
Background: Earth gets blown up in a nuclear holocaust. The
survivors, so disgusted with what they've done, abandon Earth into the
hands of a "Keeper" (I think a computer, but I'm not sure yet), and go
off to settle another planet, called Harmony. To make sure it lives
up to its name, they design a computer, the Oversoul, with the
overriding purpose of keeping humanity alive. Then they engineer
their descendants so that the Oversoul can influence them to make sure
they don't blow themselves up.
The Oversoul selectively suppressed technological ideas that may prove
harmful; thus we have the bizarre situation of computers, holographic
projectors, antigrav devices, etc. being commonplace, but nobody
having come up with wheeled vehicles(which are harmful because they
can be turned into chariots).
So, fine. This goes on for forty million years. But the designers of
the Oversoul had figured that humanity would reach a better state by
ten or twenty million at the most, and the Oversoul wouldn't be
necessary anymore. Far too optimistic, they. Now the Oversoul is
breaking down; people are becoming less receptive to its control, not
to mention a fair number of the satellites it uses to broadcast dying
of attrition. And so people are starting to come up with forbidden
technologies.
In despair, it turns to one family, in the city of Basilica, who seem
to be more receptive than average. For most of the book we follow
some member of this family: mostly Nafai, who is fourteen and thus
extremely annoying for most of the book. Going into the society of
Basilica would be overlong here; suffice it to say it's
quasi-matriarchal in structure, with men allowed to own property only
outside the city walls, and women the ones who decide on who they'll
contract with for marriage.
The book proper(this is just the setup!)deals with Nafai and his
family, and intrigue regarding these newfangled wheeled-carts and
those unscrupulous enough to sell them to other cities. Having gotten
this far, I don't know what to say about the plot, except that it gets
most of its strength from the characters of Nafai, his brothers, and
his parents. Nafai's interaction with the Oversoul matures him visibly
over the course of the book, though he still makes some dumbass
blunders. And at the end we seem ready to leave the city of Basilica
behind...though this could be deceiving, and I almost hope that with
all the work he put into it we see more of it in the next book...
%A Card, Orson Scott
%T The Memory of Earth
%I Tor
%C New York
%D March 1992
%G ISBN 0-812-53259-7
%P 332 pp.
%S Homecoming
%V Volume 1
%O Paperback, US $5.99, Can $6.99
* Don't get me wrong. _Hart's Hope_ is still my favourite Card to date.
--
--Alfvaen(Editor of Communique)
Current Album--The Waterboys:Dream Harder
Current Read--Mike Resnick:Purgatory
"curious george swung down the gorge/the ants took him apart" --billbill
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1052.14 | Anybody else read these? | MUNDIS::SSHERMAN | Steve Sherman @MFR DTN 865-2944 | Fri Mar 10 1995 13:17 | 12 |
| Just finished Volume 3 and have enjoyed the series very much. I could
list a number of negatives (for just one example, a protagonist who is
so powerful and well protected that a threat to him generates absolutely
no suspense whatsoever, and makes you wonder if the characters doing the
threatening aren't completely brain dead), but they had no real impact
on my enjoyment. I love Card's writing, and he has peopled these books
with some of the best characters he has ever created.
Now I *do* hope he will actually finish this one. And then maybe even
pick up Alvin Maker again.
Steve
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