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Title:Arcana Caelestia
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849.0. "Holdstock's Mythago Wood and Lavondyss" by ARCANA::CONNELLY (Desperately seeking snoozin') Tue Dec 26 1989 23:19

Has anyone else read _Mythago Wood_ and _Lavondyss_ by Robert Holdstock?
These unusual (to say the least) works are difficult to describe, but the
originality and vividness of the writing makes them hard to forget.

The central plot device is a British forest that has the power to bring
archetypes from the unconscious mind to life.  The wood is also a magnet
that draws susceptible (psychic?) individuals in, in effect to lose
themselves in the re-enactment of myths and primal psychological traumas.
From the outside the wood is small, bordered by sleepy 1950s rural villages.
Inside it is immense, and contemporaneous with all eras in the history and
prehistory of the human race.

Holdstock easily ranks with John Crowley, P. C. Hodgell and Charles DeLint
in his ability to merge fantasy, mythology and murky psychological (almost
psychoanalytic) themes.  Like Crowley (and unlike the other two mentioned),
his plot development is unconventional and may leave you wondering "what
happened?" at the end, but in some ways that adds to the dreamlike power
of the narrative.
								paul
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849.1Forest memoriesRICKS::REDFORDSun Dec 31 1989 19:0027
    I read and enjoyed "Mythago Wood" some years ago.  It first came 
    out in '84, and I believe it won the World Fantasy Award.  I 
    haven't seen the sequel yet though.  I thought the concept itself 
    had mythic overtones: the secret woods where 
    wonders can happen.  I remember how vast the woods seemed when I 
    was a kid.  They seemed to go on forever, even if there was a 
    highway on the other side.  They were full of little trails made 
    by who-knew-what.  You could explore and explore and never learn 
    it all, even if it was just a patch of forest missed by the 
    suburban developers.  Holdstock made this childhood impression 
    concrete, and wrote of an infinite, primordial forest right off 
    of your backyard.
    
    I wonder, though, if his idea of archetypes isn't too dominated 
    by Northern European history.  Lots of cultures did not arise 
    from forests but rather from grasslands, or coasts, or deserts.  
    Their myths don't have the undertones of mystery and menace that 
    Celtic and Germanic ones do, perhaps because you can see threats 
    coming.   The monsters can't hide behind the trees.  Everything 
    is out in the open.  The mythic image of the secret place would 
    have less resonance for such cultures because there are just less 
    of them in the environment.   For them, mystery is not in the 
    secret woods, but is in the sky or the sea.  The archetypes of 
    "Mythago Woods" are those of Northrons, of forest people, and 
    might not apply to all humanity.

    /jlr
849.2DSSDEV::RUSTTue Mar 09 1993 11:2530
    I just read "Mythago Wood," and while I found it original and
    enjoyable, there were a number of things that didn't quite satisfy me.
    (The ethnocentricity mentioned in .1 wasn't one of them; after all,
    this _was_ a woodland, suggesting that its only occupants would be
    archtypes who belonged to that region and the cultures that sprang from
    that region. In fact, a few of the more recent mythagos seemed to me to
    be rather out of place there... The Cavalier was a prime example, and,
    indeed, seemed to be treated as something of an afterthought.)
    
    One of the things I liked most about the book was that everything was
    so uncertain, potentially dangerous, and terrifying; this departed
    radically from a lot of the "visit another world" fantasies, in which
    the visitors often seem immune to the worst of the local hazards. But,
    since the book was _really_ about (!) visiting one's own psyche, I
    suppose it says a lot more about the central figure's view of his
    relationships with his father, brother, friends - and self - than it
    does about "true" archtypes. [I thought it was a nice touch to have
    Steven and Keeton react to, and interact with, the various mythagos in
    slightly different ways, depending (one would guess) on the degree to
    which each mythago "belonged" to each man.]
    
    I thought it fell apart a bit at the end, though I liked the coda about
    the giant, who hints at the weaving of the finale into another series
    of stories. But it all felt as if everybody's energy had been
    exhausted, so instead of ending in high drama it just faded away. 
    
    Or was that the point? <she asked, as the myths-turned-ghosts are
    scattered by a sudden breeze...>
    
    -b