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Title:Arcana Caelestia
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Created:Thu Dec 08 1983
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1300
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810.0. "Against the Fall of Night --> The City and the Stars?" by STKHLM::LITBY (...and he built a Crooked House) Tue Jul 11 1989 08:58

Yesterday I went to the bookstore to (finally) get a copy of Clarke's novel
"Against the Fall of Night".  After looking for a long time, very surprised not
to find it,  it turned out that it is now called "The City and the Stars".  Does
anyone know why the name has been changed (or might it have a different
name in the U.K - the one I found was published by Gollancz)?

btw, this must surely be one of the top five of all time...

/POL
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810.1same and not the sameTROA01::SKEOCHLather, Rinse, RepeatTue Jul 11 1989 12:0319
    "Against the Fall of Night" and "The City and the Stars", although
    essentially the same story, are two very different books.  I can't
    decide which I like better.
    
    AtFoN was one of Clarke's first published stories; some years later,
    he went back and revised/polished it into TCatS. I have both books,
    and generally prefer the last one I've read.  I love 'em both. 
    I think either one'd make a great movie.
    
    The first time I read AtFoN it was packaged with another story,
    "The Lion of Commarre", I think it's name was.  I was under the
    impression that they we both stories by Clarke, but I have never
    seen TLoC since.  Has anybody else seen this one?  I don't even
    remember the story itself, just the title. (jmb?? ;-)
    
    
    Cheers,
    
    Ian S.
810.2Edited for 80 columnsASABET::BOYAJIANProtect! Serve! Run Away!Wed Jul 12 1989 03:5523
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So they were two different books... Whadda you know. Which means that I now
have to get Agains the Fall of Night as well.

The Lion of Comarre uses a similar plot - the young man who lives in a stagnant
society but is somehow different and wants to explore things. Comarre is a
semi-mythical city located in some faraway forest where one's not supposed
to go; nobody who has gone there has ever come back.

Anyway, our hero manages to find Comarre; it turns out to be a "dream factory"
where you can lie down in a room and permanently become part of a dream. It's
one-way; once dreaming, there is no way out. Except for the hero, of course.

The lion, btw, is something he finds on the way and which becomes his
travelling companion.

/pol
810.3I remember reading about this storyMOSAIC::MAXSONRepeal GravityTue Jul 25 1989 15:5233
    Clarke talks about ATFoN/C&tS in one of his autobiographicals ("The
    View from Serendib"? Could be) and tells an interesting story.
    
    He and his wife were on vacation, on a cruise ship in the Indian Ocean.
    He'd been writing a lot and felt he needed some time off.  Well, the
    cruise ship was fine, but he was extremely bored after a short while,
    and as the trip progressed, the boredom was getting to be intolerable.
    Finally, one afternoon, he got a typewriter from the purser, sat down,
    and dashed off "Against the Fall of Night" - without rewrites,
    research, or any of the stuff you typically have to go through to write
    a story. Something like six hours later, it was done.  He put it away
    for a while, and months later, the manuscript was published as "ATFoN".
    
    Years later, he was going through a steamer chest and came across the
    orginial manuscript.  He read it, and liked it. He recalled the
    circumstances under which it had been written - six hours, soup to
    nuts.  "If I rewrote this, and actually put some thought and effort
    into it, it could actually be a better story" he thought, and so he
    did.  And that was how the City and the Stars came to be.
    
    I read both, and they're both terrific.  Personally, I like the
    original "Against the Fall of Night" more - maybe because I read it
    first, I can't say -
    
    The best scene: when Alain of Diaspar is looking for a way out of the
    city, and he goes to the Tomb of Yarlan Zey, and stands on the square
    where the statue is looking, and thinks the secret word... and the tile
    begins to sink under the city...
    
    Yee-hah!  What a great story.
    
    Mark M. (Back in SF after a long absence)
    
810.4RUBY::BOYAJIANElvis weptWed Jul 26 1989 04:206
    re:.3
    
    Welcome back, Mark!  I was wondering where the hell you'd gone
    off to.
    
    --- jerry