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Title:Arcana Caelestia
Notice:Directory listings are in topic 2
Moderator:NETRIX::thomas
Created:Thu Dec 08 1983
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1300
Total number of notes:18728

172.0. "Tom Swift Jr books..." by PHOBOS::WICKERT () Mon Jan 28 1985 10:35

Just reading Mike Kier's introduction in #122.20... and he mentioned Tom Swift
Jr...  Does anyone know where I can get old copies of this series?  As with
Mike, I grew up with Tom Swift and I have a "near" complete collection.  I am
willing to pay top dollar (you name it!), for copies... especially for those
books (3 of 37) that I don't have.

Anyone interested in TS, drop me a line on PHOBOS, or reply to this note.

Thanks,
Dave
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172.1SERPNT::GULDENSCHUHMon Jan 28 1985 10:5721
About the only help I can offer, you probably already know, but...

1.  There are a few book stores/dealers listed in the SF mags that offer
    search services.  (There's also previous note that lists some, I think).

2.  Find some bookstores that deal in used books.  DON'T stick to ones that
    that have lots of SF.  Some of my best "finds" were in small stores that
    had picked up a batch of books from a library, that just happened to have
    an odd SF book thrown in.

3.  Try the little-bitty "antique" shops.  They sometimes have some wonderful
    books just sitting around.  And they're almost always cheap! (How about
    a Chaucer's _Canterbury Tales_, circa 1890, gilt leather cover, gilt edged
    paper, $2.00!)

4.  As bad as it sounds, try K-Mart or the local equivalent!  The Tom Swift
    and/or TS Jr. books were re-released within the last few years,
    unfortunately with those horrid cardboard covers.  Check the "young adult"
    section, rather than SF.

/s/ Chuck
172.2PHOBOS::WICKERTMon Jan 28 1985 13:119
Thanks for some ideas.

They have re-released the name "Tom Swift Jr", but with new stories... terrible.
just terrible stories...

Anyone else?

Regards,
Dave
172.3AKOV68::BOYAJIANTue Jan 29 1985 05:3865
OK, let's see.

(1) There are 38 books in the original Tom Swift series. The first 35 were
written by Howard Garis, the other 3 unknown. These have been out of print
for ages. Contrary to .1 (sorry, Chuck), they haven't been reissued anytime
in the last 30+ years.

(2) There are 33 books in the Tom Swift, Jr. series. If memory serves, I
have all but the last one. Harriet Adams wrote the first 17-18 of them (this
is my guess, the writing style seems to change about this time). These also
are long out of print.

(3) There is a new series, with 11 books so far, in trade paperback. These
are, like the first series, labelled only "Tom Swift" (no "Jr.") by "Victor
Appleton" (no "II"). Unlike the TSJ series, which was clearly connected to
the original TS series, this new series doesn't seem to be connected to the
previous ones at all. The true authorship of these is varied; I know that
some of the writers involved are Sharman DiVono, Bill Rotsler, Andy Offut
(I think), and Bob Vardeman [this info was passed onto me by Vardeman].

As far as collecting them goes, well, Chuck is right in that the best thing
to do is go to used bookstores that *don't* specialize in sf. Or go to flea
markets. I see them around here and there. Some specific points follow:

(1) The original Tom Swift series seem to go for about $4-6 *without* dust
jackets, and about $10-15 *with*. These are for the original Grosset and
Dunlap editions. Whitman Books reprinted some of them (I believe in the 40's),
and these go for about the same price or a little less, mostly because the
bookstore owners don't know that they're reprints. It's very hard to come
across any of these original Swifts with dust jackets, though they are somewhat
plentiful without.

(2) The Tom Swift Jr. books come in 3 distinct editions. The first are those
that were issued with dust jackets. As far as I've been able to tell, this
edition only went up to #17. These aren't all that easy to find, but they are
out there, if you look hard enough. Oddly enough, finding these sans jackets
isn't much easier than finding them with. These tend to go for about $2.50-3.00
(with jackets). These first 17 books were reissued with the cover paintings
printed right on the boards, and with blue spines (this is what I refer to as
the second edition). The third edition is the same, only with a yellow spine.
Of course, #19 on up appears only as yellow-spined books (#18 had a spine that
originally continued the cover illo). Both the blue and yellow editions go for
about $1.25-2.00.

Note that each edition has a number of printings, the difference between them
only determinable by how many of the other books in the series are listed on
the back cover. If your copy of #20 has 20 books listed, it's probably (though
not guaranteed to be) a first printing; if it has 25 books listed, it defin-
itely is not a first printing.

You might also be aware that at least 4 of the books were issued by G&D in
trade paperback under the Tempo Books imprint. These go for about $1.00. There
were also six mass-market-sized paperbacks, which go for about 50 cents.

I don't know if any of this edition/printing business matters to you at all,
but I never pass up an opportunity to pontificate.

Have fun! The thrill of the hunt is the best part.


--- jerry

P.S. In case you're interested, the pricing for the TSJ series also applies
to the other kids' series of the same vintage, though the only other sf series
were the Rick Brant and Tom Corbett series.
172.4AKOV68::BOYAJIANTue Jan 29 1985 05:436
Oh, another good place to look for the TSJ books would be the various paperback
"swap" shops. Though these stores restrict themselves to buying and selling
paperbacks, most of them tend to carry hardcover children's books, especially
the series books.

--- jerry
172.5TOM SWIFT REVISITEDAIMHI::GIARAMITAMon Aug 21 1989 16:1014
    In looking back in the directory I saw note 176  on Tom Swift.
    Boy did this jog a few memories! As this was writen in 1985,[the note],
    I felt I could start another to ask a few questions of Jerry.
    
    Was the TS series of 30 years ago writen by Victor Appleton II a group
    effort of other writers? Because I have a book writen by Victor
    Appleton I , a Tom Swift senior, Titled, " Mid Ocean Airport" 
    and I always thought it was a continuation of the series  writen 
    by his son. 
    
    These plus Tom Corbett, are what first started a life long addiction
    to sf!
    
    Frank
172.6oh, those ones ...LESCOM::KALLISTime takes things.Mon Aug 21 1989 16:2617
    Re .0 (Frank):
    
    >Was the TS series of 30 years ago writen by Victor Appleton II a group
    >effort of other writers? Because I have a book writen by Victor
    >Appleton I , a Tom Swift senior, Titled, " Mid Ocean Airport" 
    >and I always thought it was a continuation of the series  writen 
    >by his son. 
     
    "Victor Appleton II" was a house name.  The new Tom Swift books
    made a debut on the old _Today_ show (when Dave Garroway was host
    and I was in high school) and was contrasted to the original Tom
    Swift books (a passage was read from one of the older ones to compare
    to one from the then-new books).  The point was (correctly) made
    that to a youngster of the 1950s, trying to read the original TS
    books was something of a chore, so the style had been modernized.
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.
172.7Press the PF2 key for Notes keypad commandsCLIPR::KLAESN = R*fgfpneflfifaLMon Aug 21 1989 19:2112
    	If you use the , key on the far right keypad on your keyboard,
    this is the NEXT UNSEEN key, which allows you to check out all the
    current Notes in the Conference, wherever they might be posted.
    
    	Also, if you do the command SET SEEN/BEFORE=YESTERDAY, and press
    the ENTER key when reading SF, you will bring your Notebook up to date
    with this Conference, producing the same results as above.  Jerry and
    everyone else who does this will see your Note if you post it in
    Topic 176, as this will also avoid redundant Topics.
    
    	Thanks.