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Conference noted::hackers_v1

Title:-={ H A C K E R S }=-
Notice:Write locked - see NOTED::HACKERS
Moderator:DIEHRD::MORRIS
Created:Thu Feb 20 1986
Last Modified:Mon Aug 03 1992
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:680
Total number of notes:5456

551.0. "Standalone Backup over NET?" by TINGAU::HEFELE (Kaufbeuren, Germany) Fri Sep 11 1987 11:58

      My note in VMSNOTES is write locked, so I will put it in phase0
      (when BULOVA is reacheble again form my side).

      But I also try it here so I (we all VMSusers who need it) may have
      a chance to get a heck form a super guru. Or is it availible already?

Frido!


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	It would be nice if I'm able to do a standalone backup over the
	NET. It should work like a mix of the known standalone backup and
        the initial load of a client with RSM. I want to do...

           >>> B DUA2 	! the floppy or MUA0 for TK50

            2..1..0
               .
               .
               .
               .
           	
            VMS 4.n ............

	   Connect to host?  KBOV07:: <CR>

           starting a minimum DECnet protocol and connecting to KBOV07

	   VMS 4.n Standalone Backup load done...


	  $ BACKUP/IMAG/INT KBOV07::disk:[dir]savest.ext/SAVE DUA0:

	  $ <BERAKE> or reset

	>>> B DUA0

	... The system is restored!!

    I have a few question to this 'request'.

		1. Is it generic possible (from the technical side) ?

		2. if so, any chance to get an hack from a GURU ?

	  	3. is it maybe an item for phase0 ?



   any suggestions

   Frido!
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551.1Isn't Backup close enough ?MEIS::WOLFFI feel the need, the need for speedFri Nov 06 1987 16:2115
        I guess I most certainly miss something essential here,
but what is wrong with normal backup over the net ?

        You can do that over night with a /Ignore=Interlock and
all files you wouldn't be able to catch are open files and writeable
shared images. These files are not very likely to change and if you
can most certainly recreate them. So with proxy access to another machine
you would do something like:

$ Backup/Imag/Ignore=Inter/Block=8192 Dua0: TRISTR::DUA0.BCK/Save/Log

I know this is not like standalone B/U but I think it is close enough.

        Julian.

551.2network disk compression neededOXMYX::POLLAKCounting trees, in the Sahara.Tue Nov 10 1987 15:0912
    What you missed was the part about doing disk compressions. Sure
    you can backup a disk to another node, but coming back is another
    thing.Especially if the disk is a system disk on a single disk system. 
    There was talk once about having a BACKUP facility in VAxEln. If this
    ever becomes a reality then making a network Standalone Backup will
    be easy.
     In the meantime. Has anyone seen the sources for standalone backup
    and would it be possible to put in networking hooks. Or is it too
    big to boot into memory?
     And please no comments sbout doing disk compression with a LAVC.
    In some cases you just don't have that option. Like for example
    if you have a uVaxI.