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| 1089.1 | Dax episode | DECCXL::WIBECAN | That's the way it is, in Engineering! | Thu Mar 20 1997 11:30 | 0 |
| 1089.2 | Press info, from Vidiot | DECCXX::WIBECAN | That's the way it is, in Engineering! | Thu Apr 17 1997 16:41 | 52 |
| Children of Time
Episode #120
Production #520
SPELLINGS
Gaia
CAST
Captain Benjamin Sisko Avery Brooks
Odo Rene Auberjonois
Lieutenant Commander Worf Michael Dorn
Lieutenant Commander Jadzia
Dax Terry Farrell
Jake Sisko Cirroc Lofton
Chief Operations Officer
Miles O'Brien Colm Meaney
Quark Armin Shimerman
Dr. Julian Bashir Alexander Siddig
Major Kira Nerys Nana Visitor
GUEST STARS
Yedrin Gary Frank
Miranda [O'Brien] Jennifer S. Parsons
Lisa Davida Williams
Molly Doren Fein
Teleplay by: Rene Echevarria
Written by: Gary Holland
and Ethan H. Calk
Directed by: Allan Kroeker
PROGRAM HIGHLIGHTS
STAR TREK: DEEP SPACE NINE: "Children of Time" - Sisko and the Defiant
crew must choose between the lives they have always known and the lives
of their own descendants.
TV GUIDE AD
GUARDIANS OF TIME
They've seen their own future.
Now, to save it ...
One of the crew must die.
TV LOG LISTING
Who must die to save the future?/STAR TREK: DEEP SPACE NINE.
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| 1089.3 | Thought this was a thought provoking show. | BASEX::EISENBRAUN | John Eisenbraun | Tue May 13 1997 12:56 | 11 |
| I'm surprised that no one has commented on this show yet. I thought it
was one of the better ones I've seen in a while. Made me think, at
least.
Spoilers...
I'm rather surprised at Odo's actions in modifying the auto-pilot
program. I know he loves Kira, but his action borders on obsession to
me in that he would sacrifice all those lives to save Kira's. It sure
makes that Odo a complex character. How will the younger Odo (and
Kira) deal with what Odo did (and is therefore capable of doing)?
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| 1089.4 | | EVMS::SCHUETZ | VMS Clusters Memory Channel 381-6075 | Tue May 13 1997 14:19 | 2 |
| I also found it more emotionally involving, which most of these
shows aren't.
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| 1089.5 | | POLAR::RICHARDSON | got any spare change? | Tue May 13 1997 15:00 | 5 |
| But, how can they remember people that never existed?
this is why I thought the best time travel episode was yesterday's
enterprise. Apart for Guinan's special perception, nobody knew what
happened.
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| 1089.6 | | TROOA::TEMPLETON | Unhappy gardener | Wed May 14 1997 09:53 | 6 |
| I thought the same as Glenn, they would not know because it did not
happen, therefore they would have nothing to feel guilty about.
joan
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| 1089.7 | | CSC32::HADDOCK | Pas Fini! | Wed May 14 1997 11:49 | 32 |
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I thought the show was pretty good so far, and I myself get rather
upset at people who only complain about the nits and bad parts all the
time but.,,,,,,{spoilers}
I thought the "duplication" business was the lamest one they've come
up with so far. I was relieved when they found out it was a hoax.
fred();
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| 1089.8 | hmmm, but you're forgetting... | SMURF::PETERT | rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty | Wed May 14 1997 12:09 | 36 |
| Spoilers...
Actually the duplication scheme has some precedence. Remember
whats his name, Tom Riker? Riker had been duplicated when
he was beaming up from a planet with some sort of particle of
the week covering the atmosphere. And then they found him
about 9 years later. Sure, you argue, but that was (one of
any number of overdone ) transporter problem(s). Don't really
think it would be that difficult for them to fudge from
tranporter to quantum flux barrier. It's all just techno-babble
for the writers.
That's why the idea seemed plausible to me.
PeterT
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| 1089.9 | | POLAR::RICHARDSON | got any spare change? | Wed May 14 1997 12:18 | 1 |
| well, I liked the show, I watched it twice.
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| 1089.10 | didn't feel this one was tightly written... | APLVEW::DEBRIAE | language by declaration | Wed May 14 1997 13:12 | 45 |
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This was just an OK episode for me. It was more emotionally involving
than usual, Cisko was in the background, and I really liked the older
Odo's new personality and more natural, matured new look. However
things that bothered me were...
> I thought the same as Glenn, they would not know because it did not
> happen, therefore they would have nothing to feel guilty about.
I felt the same during the show. I was with O'Brien. Life should be
lived for the here and now. I'd try to get back to my current wife and
my current family in his shoes as well. The alternate timeline was just
that, if it never happened, no one would know and no one would be hurt.
Now if that colony had made some incredible discoveries or impact on
Federation-kind, then perhaps I could see the desire to sacrifice one's
current life in favour of some alternate one. But as it was, I couldn't
see the desire here. What about all of their grandchildren now that
would never happen in the DS9 timeline? No tears for them? I felt it
was shabby that those considerations were never brought up. Who says
the proper timeline shouldn't be that this loop should only occur once,
the Defiant crew avoid their first mistake and continue on with their
present life. I also don't think Miles would have allowed himself to
fall for the "get involved with them" 'trick'.
It also bothered me that Kira basically got to decide for the other 55
crew members. Kira wants to die, fine, that's her vote, but what if the
other 50+ members we never saw all wanted to return to their present
day lives, jobs, and timeline? The finality of it all being "Kira's
decision" seemed ridiculous to me. (Midshipman Frank wants to maroon
this aircraft carrier on this island, let's all 500 of us do it).
The other bothersome part was the whole Odo storyline. Both the old and
current Odo seemed very much, shockingly much, out of character to me.
I can't see Odo sabotaging the Defiant just for Kira, ever. Despite
even that, given 200 years to mull over Kira and do that absurdly
selfish feat, the current Odo would never freely offer that fact to
Kira. He knew her knowing this fact would kill her. There was no reason
for him to do this to her, there was no need to know. The old Odo
never existed, why cause that much present day grief for no one but
Kira. Odo would be more aware of and sensitive to Kira's reaction to
this unasked-for news. Both acts just didn't sit well with me. Gul
Dukat would tell Kira this stomach-curdling news to watch her writhe in
pain, Odo would not.
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| 1089.11 | happy=bad | MAIL2::LOCOVARE | Resistance is Futile | Thu May 15 1997 10:56 | 10 |
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I was a very good episode..glad they didn't come up with the best
of both situation..this is more realistic.
I think this will put a damper on Odo and Kira's relationship
and it will not be explored for now..if Odo hadn't told her
she might have pursued it but now she will back off and as
we know on most shows happy relationships bring bad ratings! :)
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| 1089.12 | liked it | UFP::BOBB | Janet Bobb dtn:339-5755 | Mon May 19 1997 14:26 | 46 |
| I liked this episode. It will provide lots of fodder for possible plots
in the future. Like the Doctor pursuing a relationship with the woman
he ended up with on the planet.
I have to disagree with .10 on several points.
> What about all of their grandchildren now that
> would never happen in the DS9 timeline? No tears for them? I felt it
> was shabby that those considerations were never brought up.
This was brought up during one of the discussions. Basically Dax (I
think it was her) said something about we don't know about the future,
but if we don't stay, we know these people will cease to exist.
> It also bothered me that Kira basically got to decide for the
> other 55 crew members. Kira wants to die, fine....
I didn't see this happening at all. It seemed like even though she was
for going back, it didn't matter at first. Miles' objection seemed to
have more weight. In fact, it seemed to me as long as there was one
person on the crew who didn't want to stay, Sisko let that be the
deciding vote.
And it didn't suprize me that Miles changed his mind. He worked all day
in the fields with these people (not to mention the previous day(s)).
he's a sucker for little kids and that cute girl working with him would
have been hard to deny. I think it would be impossible to say, unless
in the same situation, if I'd be willing to let 8000 cease to exist,
just so I can get back to my life. I think most people might decide as
the crew did. The need of the many outweigh the need of the few.....
I do agree Kira and Odo may have a hard time of it. This season has
been tough for them already. There was the episode where Odo admits 3
innocent Bajorans died under his security watch, because of his error
and Kira flipped out. And then Kira and the Cardassian "father" - she's
got to be on raw nerves.
I wonder if they could have taken the defiant back into the atmosphere
and run through the anomly a second time, if they were that determined
to save these people. 'Course, it wouldn't be quite the same ,so the
timeline would end up different.
overall -liked this one.
janetb.
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| 1089.13 | if liked these grandkids so much, what about the lost DS9 ones?" | APLVEW::DEBRIAE | language by declaration | Mon May 19 1997 18:01 | 20 |
| > I think it would be impossible to say, unless
> in the same situation, if I'd be willing to let 8000 cease to exist,
> just so I can get back to my life. I think most people might decide as
> the crew did. The need of the many outweigh the need of the few.....
Who's to say 10,000 didn't then cease to exist in the easier
'non-stranded' life back on DS9 when they decided to stay and rough it?
Who's to say Miles' next child with his wife didn't procreate like mad or
make some astounding discovery that would forever change the other
timeline (etc) that now would never happen by their staying.
That's the point I was trying to make, that the "needs of the many"
might have NOT been served by their staying. They had no way of
knowing. So I felt the compelling reason to stay just wasn't there, at
least for me while I watched it.
Perhaps it's only a nit but it felt like a fatal flaw in that story to
me...
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| 1089.14 | Wow! | skylab.zko.dec.com::FISHER | Gravity: Not just a good idea. It's the law! | Tue May 20 1997 13:42 | 15 |
| Well, I thought this was a fabulous and involving story. Not that I had no
nits, and not that I did not guess that they would not go back in time after
all, but it was all very emotional. It made me feel a lot like the "Picard
lives another live in 30 minutes" TNG story, which is one of my favorites even
if I can't remember the name.
I liked how each person in the crew (that we saw) got attached to the colony
in his or her own way. I especially liked the pseudo-Klingons.
Interesting that while they mentioned that Jadzia had married Worf in the
past, there decendents of Trills who did not appear to be even partially
Klingon, and there was a Klingon who did not appear to be partially Trill
(though I suppose the spots might not show with dark skin).
Burns
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