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Conference noted::equitation

Title:Equine Notes Conference
Notice:Topics List=4, Horses 4Sale/Wanted=150, Equip 4Sale/Wanted=151
Moderator:MTADMS::COBURNIO
Created:Tue Feb 11 1986
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2080
Total number of notes:22383

2079.0. "Formula for calculating equine weight?" by TUXEDO::ROMBERG (So many log files, so little documentation.....) Mon May 05 1997 12:48

Does anyone have the formula for calculating a horse's weight
based on body measurements (girth and length)? I saw it once 
in rec.equitation, but can't find it now.  I'd like to get a 
more accurate guestimate of my horse's weight (for worming), 
and I believe the formula would give me a better idea than 
the tapes, not knowing what body type the tapes are based on.
I have a 17 hand QH, with a QH body type (he fills an 86" 
blanket), and am pretty sure he doesn't weigh the same as a 
short-backed 17 hand TB!


kathy
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2079.1Formulas etcDECWET::JDADDAMIOThink softlyMon May 05 1997 14:3319
    Cathy,
    
    How complicated do you want to get? David Willoughby's book, "Growth
    and Nutrition in Horses" has several formulas for estimating weight.
    One of them uses several measurements (girth; length; neck girth at
    throatlatch, gaskin girth, etc) I'd be glad to look them up for you.
    
    Unfortunately, I'm not conviced that any simple formula using just
    girth and length is any better than just girth itself. In EQUUS 165
    (July 1991), there was an article entitled "Weighty Matters". That
    article had a chart with 3 scales: girth, length, and weight. You
    measure the horse's girth and length. Then you draw a line between the
    measurements and read off the weight. The method did not produce 
    weight estimates that were at all consistent with the other methods 
    described in the article. See Note 33.44 -< EQUUS' Article on Weight
    Estimation :-( >- if you want a description of the rest of the problems
    I had with their article.
    
    John
2079.2TUXEDO::dce002.lkg.dec.com::rombergMon May 05 1997 16:2426
John,

I'll go for anything easy to moderately complicated - I don't mind doing 
math ;^). 

It seems the farm where I board this guy may have developed a 
parasite problem.  I've since put *my horse* on Strongid C, but 
would like to know how close I am to guessing his weight. Since 
there's no truck scale at the barn, I'd like some way of estimating his 
weight, other than something over 1K lbs.

[please, no comments on how the entire barn should be on Strongid C - it's
not my barn to run, and with the number of horses there, and the mindset of 
the management, I'm just going to work to keep my critter as parasite free
as possible]

It would seem to me that given any two horses of X girth, if one
is 8 inches longer than the other, it could conceivably weigh more 
[longer 'cylinder' of body mass], no?

I will give the tape a try, just for grins and giggles (if the tape manages 
to fit around his royal roundness, but would appreciate anything to compare
against as a cross-reference, short of finding a truck weigh station and 
unloading him ;^)

Kathy
2079.3:-)PASTA::PIERCEThe Truth is Out ThereMon May 05 1997 17:037
    
    John, do you memorize the Eqqus issues???  How can you remember the
    issue number and just about everything in the book??  or do you have a
    stack of the books in your office and you quickly thumb through them a
    question pops up here ???
    
    Louisa :-)
2079.4No magic.DECWET::JDADDAMIOThink softlyMon May 05 1997 19:1912
    Louisa,
    
    >do you memorize the Eqqus issues???
    
    No, they aren't worth the trouble. ;-) In this case, I "cheated"! I
    remembered that Equus did an article on weight estimation and that I
    had tried their techniques. I later wrote them a letter saying I
    thought the article was a bummer. I posted the contents of the letter
    here under the magazine topic. So, I looked up found my note and 
    used cut & paste to get most of my reply to Cathy. See? No magic. ;-)
    
    John
2079.5PASTA::PIERCEThe Truth is Out ThereTue May 06 1997 09:0514
    
    It might not be magic - but your still very impressive.
    
    What do you think of the weight tapes?  We use them alot.  But, we are
    not looking for them to be accurate.  We use them all summer, to be
    sure our kids are not putting on alot of weight.  We have a 6 acre
    paster and they can get real fat real quick.  We see them every day,
    so it's hard for us to tell if they have put on some lbs.
    
    It's been fun putting the tape on the Comet (our baby) every few weeks,
    our horses weight does not change that much - but Comet's does.  He'll
    gain 50lbs in 3 weeks - it's just so fun to watch him grow.
    
    Lou
2079.6The simple formulaDECWET::JDADDAMIOThink softlyTue May 06 1997 17:2942
	Formulas for weight estimation from Willoughby's "Growth and 
	Nutrition in Horses".

	The simple formula using girth alone produces results 
	similar to weight tapes. Weight tapes usually say they
	give weight within 10% (about 100 pounds for an adult 
	horse!) or give you a range rather than a precise number.
	So, I prefer Willoughby's method because it gives you a 
	single number which he claims is within 2% (20 - 30 pounds 
	for an adult horse). I'll do the more complex formula in a 
	separate note.

	Willoughby claims that you can't measure more accurately 
	than the nearest 1" but I always try for nearest 1/2". You can 
	use any tape measure for these measurements but cloth ones
	are better than steel ones (like carpenters use) because they 
	bend around the horse easier and they don't make noises which 
	could spook a horse. Sewing stores often carry cloth tape measures 
	up to 100" long. They should be big enough even for Cathy's Jolly 
	Giant! ;-) Sometimes, feed stores carry cloth tapes with inches 
	on one side and something else (like cow weight) on the other. 

	Weight(pounds) = (Fudge_factor * girth in inches)�

	where Fudge_factor = 

		0.1387	for colts up to 5 years or 66" girth 
			measurement or 50" girth for pony breeds

		0.1382	for fillies up to 5 years or 66" girth 
                        measurement or 50" girth for pony breeds
		0.14475	for Adult Males (all breeds including ponies 
			w/ girths of at least 50")

		0.14341	for Adult Males (all breeds including ponies 
                        w/ girths of at least 50")

	I wrote a simple computer program which computes weights 
	from the girth measurement using these formulas. The
	program's output appears in the next 4 notes. 

	John
2079.7Male HorsesDECWET::JDADDAMIOThink softlyTue May 06 1997 17:3032
		Male Horses (girth 28 to 85 inches)

 GIRTH  WEIGHT +/-   GIRTH  WEIGHT +/-   GIRTH  WEIGHT +/-   GIRTH  WEIGHT +/- 
  28.0      79   2    28.5      82   2    29.0      86   2    29.5      91   2  
  30.0      95   2    30.5      99   2    31.0     104   2    31.5     108   2  
  32.0     113   2    32.5     118   2    33.0     123   2    33.5     129   3  
  34.0     134   3    34.5     139   3    35.0     145   3    35.5     151   3  
  36.0     157   3    36.5     163   3    37.0     169   3    37.5     176   4  
  38.0     182   4    38.5     189   4    39.0     196   4    39.5     203   4  
  40.0     210   4    40.5     218   4    41.0     225   5    41.5     233   5  
  42.0     241   5    42.5     249   5    43.0     258   5    43.5     266   5  
  44.0     275   5    44.5     284   6    45.0     293   6    45.5     302   6  
  46.0     312   6    46.5     321   6    47.0     331   7    47.5     341   7  
  48.0     352   7    48.5     362   7    49.0     373   7    49.5     384   8  
  50.0     395   8    50.5     406   8    51.0     417   8    51.5     429   9  
  52.0     441   9    52.5     453   9    53.0     466   9    53.5     478  10  
  54.0     491  10    54.5     504  10    55.0     517  10    55.5     531  11  
  56.0     545  11    56.5     559  11    57.0     573  11    57.5     587  12  
  58.0     602  12    58.5     617  12    59.0     632  13    59.5     648  13  
  60.0     664  13    60.5     679  14    61.0     696  14    61.5     712  14  
  62.0     729  15    62.5     746  15    63.0     763  15    63.5     781  16  
  64.0     798  16    64.5     816  16    65.0     835  17    65.5     853  17  
  66.0     872  17    66.5     892   9    67.0     912   9    67.5     933   9  
  68.0     954  10    68.5     975  10    69.0     996  10    69.5    1018  10  
  70.0    1040  10    70.5    1063  11    71.0    1086  11    71.5    1109  11  
  72.0    1132  11    72.5    1156  12    73.0    1180  12    73.5    1204  12  
  74.0    1229  12    74.5    1254  13    75.0    1279  13    75.5    1305  13  
  76.0    1331  13    76.5    1358  14    77.0    1385  14    77.5    1412  14  
  78.0    1439  14    78.5    1467  15    79.0    1495  15    79.5    1524  15  
  80.0    1553  16    80.5    1582  16    81.0    1612  16    81.5    1642  16  
  82.0    1672  17    82.5    1703  17    83.0    1734  17    83.5    1766  18  
  84.0    1798  18    84.5    1830  18    85.0    1863  19  
2079.8Female HorsesDECWET::JDADDAMIOThink softlyTue May 06 1997 17:3032
		Female Horses (girth 28 to 85 inches)

 GIRTH  WEIGHT +/-   GIRTH  WEIGHT +/-   GIRTH  WEIGHT +/-   GIRTH  WEIGHT +/- 
  28.0      75   1    28.5      79   2    29.0      82   2    29.5      86   2  
  30.0      91   2    30.5      95   2    31.0      99   2    31.5     104   2  
  32.0     108   2    32.5     113   2    33.0     118   2    33.5     123   2  
  34.0     128   3    34.5     134   3    35.0     139   3    35.5     145   3  
  36.0     151   3    36.5     156   3    37.0     163   3    37.5     169   3  
  38.0     175   4    38.5     182   4    39.0     189   4    39.5     195   4  
  40.0     202   4    40.5     210   4    41.0     217   4    41.5     225   4  
  42.0     232   5    42.5     240   5    43.0     248   5    43.5     257   5  
  44.0     265   5    44.5     274   5    45.0     283   6    45.5     292   6  
  46.0     301   6    46.5     310   6    47.0     320   6    47.5     330   7  
  48.0     340   7    48.5     350   7    49.0     360   7    49.5     371   7  
  50.0     382   8    50.5     393   8    51.0     404   8    51.5     415   8  
  52.0     427   9    52.5     439   9    53.0     451   9    53.5     463   9  
  54.0     476  10    54.5     489  10    55.0     502  10    55.5     515  10  
  56.0     528  11    56.5     542  11    57.0     556  11    57.5     570  11  
  58.0     584  12    58.5     599  12    59.0     614  12    59.5     629  13  
  60.0     644  13    60.5     660  13    61.0     675  14    61.5     692  14  
  62.0     708  14    62.5     725  14    63.0     741  15    63.5     758  15  
  64.0     776  16    64.5     793  16    65.0     811  16    65.5     830  17  
  66.0     848  17    66.5     867   9    67.0     887   9    67.5     907   9  
  68.0     927   9    68.5     948   9    69.0     969  10    69.5     990  10  
  70.0    1012  10    70.5    1033  10    71.0    1056  11    71.5    1078  11  
  72.0    1101  11    72.5    1124  11    73.0    1147  11    73.5    1171  12  
  74.0    1195  12    74.5    1220  12    75.0    1244  12    75.5    1269  13  
  76.0    1295  13    76.5    1320  13    77.0    1347  13    77.5    1373  14  
  78.0    1400  14    78.5    1427  14    79.0    1454  15    79.5    1482  15  
  80.0    1510  15    80.5    1539  15    81.0    1567  16    81.5    1597  16  
  82.0    1626  16    82.5    1656  17    83.0    1686  17    83.5    1717  17  
  84.0    1748  17    84.5    1780  18    85.0    1811  18  
2079.9Male Ponies DECWET::JDADDAMIOThink softlyTue May 06 1997 17:3029
		Male Ponies (girth 20 to 70 inches)

 GIRTH  WEIGHT +/-   GIRTH  WEIGHT +/-   GIRTH  WEIGHT +/-   GIRTH  WEIGHT +/- 
  20.0      32   1    20.5      34   1    21.0      36   1    21.5      39   1  
  22.0      41   1    22.5      44   1    23.0      46   1    23.5      49   1  
  24.0      52   1    24.5      55   1    25.0      58   1    25.5      61   1  
  26.0      64   1    26.5      68   1    27.0      71   1    27.5      75   1  
  28.0      79   2    28.5      82   2    29.0      86   2    29.5      91   2  
  30.0      95   2    30.5      99   2    31.0     104   2    31.5     108   2  
  32.0     113   2    32.5     118   2    33.0     123   2    33.5     129   3  
  34.0     134   3    34.5     139   3    35.0     145   3    35.5     151   3  
  36.0     157   3    36.5     163   3    37.0     169   3    37.5     176   4  
  38.0     182   4    38.5     189   4    39.0     196   4    39.5     203   4  
  40.0     210   4    40.5     218   4    41.0     225   5    41.5     233   5  
  42.0     241   5    42.5     249   5    43.0     258   5    43.5     266   5  
  44.0     275   5    44.5     284   6    45.0     293   6    45.5     302   6  
  46.0     312   6    46.5     321   6    47.0     331   7    47.5     341   7  
  48.0     352   7    48.5     362   7    49.0     373   7    49.5     384   8  
  50.0     395   8    50.5     391   4    51.0     402   4    51.5     414   4  
  52.0     426   4    52.5     439   4    53.0     452   5    53.5     464   5  
  54.0     478   5    54.5     491   5    55.0     505   5    55.5     518   5  
  56.0     533   5    56.5     547   5    57.0     562   6    57.5     577   6  
  58.0     592   6    58.5     607   6    59.0     623   6    59.5     639   6  
  60.0     655   7    60.5     672   7    61.0     688   7    61.5     705   7  
  62.0     723   7    62.5     740   7    63.0     758   8    63.5     777   8  
  64.0     795   8    64.5     814   8    65.0     833   8    65.5     852   9  
  66.0     872   9    66.5     892   9    67.0     912   9    67.5     933   9  
  68.0     954  10    68.5     975  10    69.0     996  10    69.5    1018  10  
  70.0    1040  10  
2079.10Female PoniesDECWET::JDADDAMIOThink softlyTue May 06 1997 17:3129
		Female Ponies (girth 20 to 70 inches)

 GIRTH  WEIGHT +/-   GIRTH  WEIGHT +/-   GIRTH  WEIGHT +/-   GIRTH  WEIGHT +/- 
  20.0      30   1    20.5      32   1    21.0      34   1    21.5      36   1  
  22.0      39   1    22.5      41   1    23.0      44   1    23.5      46   1  
  24.0      49   1    24.5      52   1    25.0      55   1    25.5      58   1  
  26.0      61   1    26.5      64   1    27.0      68   1    27.5      71   1  
  28.0      75   1    28.5      79   2    29.0      82   2    29.5      86   2  
  30.0      91   2    30.5      95   2    31.0      99   2    31.5     104   2  
  32.0     108   2    32.5     113   2    33.0     118   2    33.5     123   2  
  34.0     128   3    34.5     134   3    35.0     139   3    35.5     145   3  
  36.0     151   3    36.5     156   3    37.0     163   3    37.5     169   3  
  38.0     175   4    38.5     182   4    39.0     189   4    39.5     195   4  
  40.0     202   4    40.5     210   4    41.0     217   4    41.5     225   4  
  42.0     232   5    42.5     240   5    43.0     248   5    43.5     257   5  
  44.0     265   5    44.5     274   5    45.0     283   6    45.5     292   6  
  46.0     301   6    46.5     310   6    47.0     320   6    47.5     330   7  
  48.0     340   7    48.5     350   7    49.0     360   7    49.5     371   7  
  50.0     382   8    50.5     380   4    51.0     391   4    51.5     403   4  
  52.0     415   4    52.5     427   4    53.0     439   4    53.5     452   5  
  54.0     464   5    54.5     477   5    55.0     491   5    55.5     504   5  
  56.0     518   5    56.5     532   5    57.0     546   5    57.5     561   6  
  58.0     575   6    58.5     590   6    59.0     606   6    59.5     621   6  
  60.0     637   6    60.5     653   7    61.0     669   7    61.5     686   7  
  62.0     703   7    62.5     720   7    63.0     737   7    63.5     755   8  
  64.0     773   8    64.5     791   8    65.0     810   8    65.5     829   8  
  66.0     848   8    66.5     867   9    67.0     887   9    67.5     907   9  
  68.0     927   9    68.5     948   9    69.0     969  10    69.5     990  10  
  70.0    1012  10  
2079.11The complicated formulaDECWET::JDADDAMIOThink softlyTue May 06 1997 17:3128
Willoughby's more complicated formula uses 6 measurements in inches:

	Girth of neck - minimum at throatlatch
	Chest Girth - maximum behind withers
	Girth of forearm - maximum
	Girth of gaskin - maximum
	Girth of hind cannon - minimum
	Length of trunk - slantwise from shoulder to buttock 
		NOTE: This is not quite the same as blanket 
		measurements which are done from center of the 
		chest to buttock so this measurement should be
		several inches smaller than your horse's blanket
		size. Willoughby states that the trunk length
		of nearly all horses will be between 86% and 90% of 
		the girth measurement. For example, one of our horses
		has a 75 inch girth. So Willoughby's numbers suggest
		he should have a trunk length between 64.5" and 67.5"
		He measured 65 inches in trunk length (87%) but he
		takes an 80" blanket. 


The formula:

	Body weight (pounds) = (Neck �+ Chest �+ Forearm �+
				Gaskin � + HindCannon �) * Length / Fudge

		where Fudge = 392.7 for adult males and 395.7 for 
		adult females. 
2079.12many thanks!TUXEDO::dce002.lkg.dec.com::rombergWed May 07 1997 09:259
John,

Thank you so much for all this information...I know what I will be 
doing the next few times I see my big guy! I actually found my weight
tape last night, but after looking at it, I think my moose-child is 
going to be off the scales (it will measure his height okay, but I
don't think it will make it around his girth!)

Kathy
2079.13the weigh stationCSCMA::SMITHWed May 07 1997 10:459
    By the way, you wouldn't have to unload your horse at the weigh
    station, you would just have go twice, once with the horse and once 
    without and subtract the two.  If your measuring the truck as well
    you would have to account for fuel and people (keeping them the same).
    
    It would be interesting to see how close the some of the tape methods
    got. 
    
    Sharon
2079.6The simple formula(revisited)DECWET::JDADDAMIOThink softlyWed May 07 1997 14:1963
	I am reposting the formulas for weight estimation from 
	Willoughby's "Growth and Nutrition in Horses" to correct
	1) a typo, 2) an omission and 3) the error estimates
	in the program output. I'll describe the changes briefly 
	here  so you don't have to read the whole note again to know
	what changed.
		1. The typo: I gave two different fudge factors for 
		   adult males. The smaller one was supposed to be 
		   for adult females.
		2. The omission: I neglected to say that the computer 
		   program uses the colt/filly fudge factors for girths 
		   up to 66" for horses and up to 50" for ponies. Then, 
		   it uses the adult appropriate fudge factors. 
		3. The error: The computer program had a typo in it
		   which made the error estimates for adult 
		   horses/ponies 1% instead of 2%. I fixed it and 
		   will repost all cases.
	Some day, I'll learn how to type and then most of this kind
	of problem will be avoided!

	The simple formula using girth alone produces results 
	similar to weight tapes. Weight tapes usually say they
	give weight within 10% (about 100 pounds for an adult 
	horse!) or give you a range rather than a precise number.
	So, I prefer Willoughby's method because it gives you a 
	single number which he claims is within 2% (20 - 30 pounds 
	for an adult horse). I'll do the more complex formula in a 
	separate note.

	Willoughby claims that you can't measure more accurately 
	than the nearest 1" but I always try for nearest 1/2". You can 
	use any tape measure for these measurements but cloth ones
	are better than steel ones (like carpenters use) because they 
	bend around the horse easier and they don't make noises which 
	could spook a horse. Sewing stores often carry cloth tape measures 
	up to 100" long. They should be big enough even for Cathy's Jolly 
	Giant! ;-) Sometimes, feed stores carry cloth tapes with inches 
	on one side and something else (like cow weight) on the other. 

	Weight(pounds) = (Fudge_factor * girth in inches)�

	where Fudge_factor = 

		0.1387	for colts up to 5 years or 66" girth 
			measurement or 50" girth for pony breeds

		0.1382	for fillies up to 5 years or 66" girth 
                        measurement or 50" girth for pony breeds

		0.14475	for Adult Males (all breeds including ponies 
			w/ girths of at least 50")

		0.14341	for Adult Females (all breeds including ponies 
                        w/ girths of at least 50")

	I wrote a simple computer program which computes weights 
	from the girth measurement using these formulas. The program
	uses the colt/filly fudge factors for girths up to 66" for 
	horses and upto 50" for ponies. Then, it uses the adult 
	fudge factors. I used an error estimate of 2% in all cases.
	The program's output appears in the next 4 notes. 

	John
2079.7Male HorsesDECWET::JDADDAMIOThink softlyWed May 07 1997 14:2132
		Male Horses (girth 28 to 85 inches)

 GIRTH  WEIGHT +/-   GIRTH  WEIGHT +/-   GIRTH  WEIGHT +/-   GIRTH  WEIGHT +/- 
  28.0      79   2    28.5      82   2    29.0      86   2    29.5      91   2  
  30.0      95   2    30.5      99   2    31.0     104   2    31.5     108   2  
  32.0     113   2    32.5     118   2    33.0     123   2    33.5     129   3  
  34.0     134   3    34.5     139   3    35.0     145   3    35.5     151   3  
  36.0     157   3    36.5     163   3    37.0     169   3    37.5     176   4  
  38.0     182   4    38.5     189   4    39.0     196   4    39.5     203   4  
  40.0     210   4    40.5     218   4    41.0     225   5    41.5     233   5  
  42.0     241   5    42.5     249   5    43.0     258   5    43.5     266   5  
  44.0     275   5    44.5     284   6    45.0     293   6    45.5     302   6  
  46.0     312   6    46.5     321   6    47.0     331   7    47.5     341   7  
  48.0     352   7    48.5     362   7    49.0     373   7    49.5     384   8  
  50.0     395   8    50.5     406   8    51.0     417   8    51.5     429   9  
  52.0     441   9    52.5     453   9    53.0     466   9    53.5     478  10  
  54.0     491  10    54.5     504  10    55.0     517  10    55.5     531  11  
  56.0     545  11    56.5     559  11    57.0     573  11    57.5     587  12  
  58.0     602  12    58.5     617  12    59.0     632  13    59.5     648  13  
  60.0     664  13    60.5     679  14    61.0     696  14    61.5     712  14  
  62.0     729  15    62.5     746  15    63.0     763  15    63.5     781  16  
  64.0     798  16    64.5     816  16    65.0     835  17    65.5     853  17  
  66.0     872  17    66.5     892  18    67.0     912  18    67.5     933  19  
  68.0     954  19    68.5     975  19    69.0     996  20    69.5    1018  20  
  70.0    1040  21    70.5    1063  21    71.0    1086  22    71.5    1109  22  
  72.0    1132  23    72.5    1156  23    73.0    1180  24    73.5    1204  24  
  74.0    1229  25    74.5    1254  25    75.0    1279  26    75.5    1305  26  
  76.0    1331  27    76.5    1358  27    77.0    1385  28    77.5    1412  28  
  78.0    1439  29    78.5    1467  29    79.0    1495  30    79.5    1524  30  
  80.0    1553  31    80.5    1582  32    81.0    1612  32    81.5    1642  33  
  82.0    1672  33    82.5    1703  34    83.0    1734  35    83.5    1766  35  
  84.0    1798  36    84.5    1830  37    85.0    1863  37  
2079.8Female HorsesDECWET::JDADDAMIOThink softlyWed May 07 1997 14:2232
		Female Horses (girth 28 to 85 inches)

 GIRTH  WEIGHT +/-   GIRTH  WEIGHT +/-   GIRTH  WEIGHT +/-   GIRTH  WEIGHT +/- 
  28.0      75   1    28.5      79   2    29.0      82   2    29.5      86   2  
  30.0      91   2    30.5      95   2    31.0      99   2    31.5     104   2  
  32.0     108   2    32.5     113   2    33.0     118   2    33.5     123   2  
  34.0     128   3    34.5     134   3    35.0     139   3    35.5     145   3  
  36.0     151   3    36.5     156   3    37.0     163   3    37.5     169   3  
  38.0     175   4    38.5     182   4    39.0     189   4    39.5     195   4  
  40.0     202   4    40.5     210   4    41.0     217   4    41.5     225   4  
  42.0     232   5    42.5     240   5    43.0     248   5    43.5     257   5  
  44.0     265   5    44.5     274   5    45.0     283   6    45.5     292   6  
  46.0     301   6    46.5     310   6    47.0     320   6    47.5     330   7  
  48.0     340   7    48.5     350   7    49.0     360   7    49.5     371   7  
  50.0     382   8    50.5     393   8    51.0     404   8    51.5     415   8  
  52.0     427   9    52.5     439   9    53.0     451   9    53.5     463   9  
  54.0     476  10    54.5     489  10    55.0     502  10    55.5     515  10  
  56.0     528  11    56.5     542  11    57.0     556  11    57.5     570  11  
  58.0     584  12    58.5     599  12    59.0     614  12    59.5     629  13  
  60.0     644  13    60.5     660  13    61.0     675  14    61.5     692  14  
  62.0     708  14    62.5     725  14    63.0     741  15    63.5     758  15  
  64.0     776  16    64.5     793  16    65.0     811  16    65.5     830  17  
  66.0     848  17    66.5     867  17    67.0     887  18    67.5     907  18  
  68.0     927  19    68.5     948  19    69.0     969  19    69.5     990  20  
  70.0    1012  20    70.5    1033  21    71.0    1056  21    71.5    1078  22  
  72.0    1101  22    72.5    1124  22    73.0    1147  23    73.5    1171  23  
  74.0    1195  24    74.5    1220  24    75.0    1244  25    75.5    1269  25  
  76.0    1295  26    76.5    1320  26    77.0    1347  27    77.5    1373  27  
  78.0    1400  28    78.5    1427  29    79.0    1454  29    79.5    1482  30  
  80.0    1510  30    80.5    1539  31    81.0    1567  31    81.5    1597  32  
  82.0    1626  33    82.5    1656  33    83.0    1686  34    83.5    1717  34  
  84.0    1748  35    84.5    1780  36    85.0    1811  36  
2079.9Male PoniesDECWET::JDADDAMIOThink softlyWed May 07 1997 14:2329
		Male Ponies(girth 20 to 70 inches)

 GIRTH  WEIGHT +/-   GIRTH  WEIGHT +/-   GIRTH  WEIGHT +/-   GIRTH  WEIGHT +/- 
  20.0      32   1    20.5      34   1    21.0      36   1    21.5      39   1  
  22.0      41   1    22.5      44   1    23.0      46   1    23.5      49   1  
  24.0      52   1    24.5      55   1    25.0      58   1    25.5      61   1  
  26.0      64   1    26.5      68   1    27.0      71   1    27.5      75   1  
  28.0      79   2    28.5      82   2    29.0      86   2    29.5      91   2  
  30.0      95   2    30.5      99   2    31.0     104   2    31.5     108   2  
  32.0     113   2    32.5     118   2    33.0     123   2    33.5     129   3  
  34.0     134   3    34.5     139   3    35.0     145   3    35.5     151   3  
  36.0     157   3    36.5     163   3    37.0     169   3    37.5     176   4  
  38.0     182   4    38.5     189   4    39.0     196   4    39.5     203   4  
  40.0     210   4    40.5     218   4    41.0     225   5    41.5     233   5  
  42.0     241   5    42.5     249   5    43.0     258   5    43.5     266   5  
  44.0     275   5    44.5     284   6    45.0     293   6    45.5     302   6  
  46.0     312   6    46.5     321   6    47.0     331   7    47.5     341   7  
  48.0     352   7    48.5     362   7    49.0     373   7    49.5     384   8  
  50.0     395   8    50.5     391   8    51.0     402   8    51.5     414   8  
  52.0     426   9    52.5     439   9    53.0     452   9    53.5     464   9  
  54.0     478  10    54.5     491  10    55.0     505  10    55.5     518  10  
  56.0     533  11    56.5     547  11    57.0     562  11    57.5     577  12  
  58.0     592  12    58.5     607  12    59.0     623  12    59.5     639  13  
  60.0     655  13    60.5     672  13    61.0     688  14    61.5     705  14  
  62.0     723  14    62.5     740  15    63.0     758  15    63.5     777  16  
  64.0     795  16    64.5     814  16    65.0     833  17    65.5     852  17  
  66.0     872  17    66.5     892  18    67.0     912  18    67.5     933  19  
  68.0     954  19    68.5     975  19    69.0     996  20    69.5    1018  20  
  70.0    1040  21  
2079.10Female PoniesDECWET::JDADDAMIOThink softlyWed May 07 1997 14:2329
		Female Ponies (girth 20 to 70 inches)

 GIRTH  WEIGHT +/-   GIRTH  WEIGHT +/-   GIRTH  WEIGHT +/-   GIRTH  WEIGHT +/- 
  20.0      30   1    20.5      32   1    21.0      34   1    21.5      36   1  
  22.0      39   1    22.5      41   1    23.0      44   1    23.5      46   1  
  24.0      49   1    24.5      52   1    25.0      55   1    25.5      58   1  
  26.0      61   1    26.5      64   1    27.0      68   1    27.5      71   1  
  28.0      75   1    28.5      79   2    29.0      82   2    29.5      86   2  
  30.0      91   2    30.5      95   2    31.0      99   2    31.5     104   2  
  32.0     108   2    32.5     113   2    33.0     118   2    33.5     123   2  
  34.0     128   3    34.5     134   3    35.0     139   3    35.5     145   3  
  36.0     151   3    36.5     156   3    37.0     163   3    37.5     169   3  
  38.0     175   4    38.5     182   4    39.0     189   4    39.5     195   4  
  40.0     202   4    40.5     210   4    41.0     217   4    41.5     225   4  
  42.0     232   5    42.5     240   5    43.0     248   5    43.5     257   5  
  44.0     265   5    44.5     274   5    45.0     283   6    45.5     292   6  
  46.0     301   6    46.5     310   6    47.0     320   6    47.5     330   7  
  48.0     340   7    48.5     350   7    49.0     360   7    49.5     371   7  
  50.0     382   8    50.5     380   8    51.0     391   8    51.5     403   8  
  52.0     415   8    52.5     427   9    53.0     439   9    53.5     452   9  
  54.0     464   9    54.5     477  10    55.0     491  10    55.5     504  10  
  56.0     518  10    56.5     532  11    57.0     546  11    57.5     561  11  
  58.0     575  12    58.5     590  12    59.0     606  12    59.5     621  12  
  60.0     637  13    60.5     653  13    61.0     669  13    61.5     686  14  
  62.0     703  14    62.5     720  14    63.0     737  15    63.5     755  15  
  64.0     773  15    64.5     791  16    65.0     810  16    65.5     829  17  
  66.0     848  17    66.5     867  17    67.0     887  18    67.5     907  18  
  68.0     927  19    68.5     948  19    69.0     969  19    69.5     990  20  
  70.0    1012  20  
2079.14For thos inquiring minds that want to know the results...TUXEDO::dce002.lkg.dec.com::rombergThu May 08 1997 10:2431
Well, last night the big guy and I had a measuring session, and the 
results are in:

For my horse (17hh, 16 yr old QH gelding)

Weight tape  
  Off the printed scale (which goes to 1321) by about 3". If you
  extrapolate out the 16lb increments, his weight would be 1449.

Willoughby's simple formula
  Heart girth = 79.5, age = 16, sex = male (gelding)
  Weight(pounds) = (.14475 * 79.5)� = 1524 +/- 30

Willoughby's more complex formula
  neck = 34, chest = 79.5, forearm = 22, 
  gaskin = 19, hind cannon = 9.25, length = 70
  weight (pounds) = ((34�+ 79.5�+ 22�+ 19� + 9.25�) * 70) / 392.7
                  = 1498.5


I figure I can pretty safely consider him to be a 1500lb chicken 
(he's not known for his bravery!).

For grins and giggles, I did the measurements on a 16.2+ thoroughbred
mare last night also.  Her numbers also came out pretty close.
	tape = 1206 (she was on the scale ;^)
	simple = 1269 +/- 25
	complex = 1254


Kathy