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Title:Equine Notes Conference
Notice:Topics List=4, Horses 4Sale/Wanted=150, Equip 4Sale/Wanted=151
Moderator:MTADMS::COBURNIO
Created:Tue Feb 11 1986
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2080
Total number of notes:22383

1899.0. "Aging a horse by it's teeth" by CSCMA::SMITH () Tue Jun 21 1994 12:24

    Hi,
    
    I couldn't find any notes on ageing a horse by it's teeth so please
    move this if there is one. 
    
    This weekend I was helping my daughter with a report she was doing 
    on horses. I dug out some of my old books and found my great little
    guide on aging horses by their teeth called 'The Horseman's Guide to
    Aging' by Equine Research. It has actual photograph's of each years 
    teeth with pointers to each small part within the tooth's surface, and
    what not.  It is more detailed than any book I have ever seen anywhere,
    and the color photos are priceless as far as I'm concerned.
    
    Anyway, it occured to me that I never once looked at the teeth of 
    the abused horse I've had now for a year.  The dealer said he was 12 or
    13 which would now make him 13 or 14.  I knew I was getting ripped off
    on a bad trade for the lame horse they'd sold me, so I just gave up and
    took whatever they gave me that seemed healthy.
    
    Well, what a surprise when I checked him out! I spent about two hours 
    checking and double checking, because I couldn't believe it. The horse
    is only about 7 or 8.  That means when I got him he was only 6 or 7, no
    wonder he seemed so 'unhandled' and 'unsettled' to me, not at all like
    a 13 year old.
    
    It's really hard for me to believe a dealer and a vet check (his vet)
    could be so wrong, either I'm way off or they took someone elses word
    for it.  I was thinking that I should have my own vet or dentist double
    check this and put it in writing. I wouldn't want to sell him 5 years
    from now when his age would be more difficult to pinpoint and have the 
    buyer know I bought him as a thirteen year old and five years later 
    I sold him as a thirteen year old.
    
    Can anyone recommend someone who is really good at it?  I've noticed
    that a lot of vets just hear you say the age, they glance at the teeth
    and say, "Ya, that sound's about right", makes you really wonder.
    I'm in central Massachusetts, in Hubbardston.
    
    Sharon
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1899.1Equine Dentist?AIMHI::DANIELSTue Jun 21 1994 12:434
    Probably an equine dentist would be your best bet.  They must really
    study this and could say if the teeth looked prematurely aged (due to
    grazing somewhere with high sand content for example).  I don't know
    anyone in your area, but this is a first suggestion.
1899.2exitSTUDIO::BIGELOWPAINTS; color your corralTue Jun 21 1994 12:523
    Arn't all horse which go through dealers 13 yrs old?
    
    
1899.3DentisSALEM::ROY_KTue Jun 21 1994 14:2713
    I would say your equine dentist is your best bet.  What Tina said is
    true there are different reasons why a horse's teeth might not reveal
    his true age.  A horse that cribs, grabs wood, or a horse that has
    grazed where there is a lot of sand will wear down there teeth much
    quicker than the average horse.
    
    My father is excellent at telling the age of a horse.  He kind of
    started checking teeth when he was shoeing horses just for kicks. 
    After about 1000 mouths and seeing horses who came in from the Midwest
    (who just grazed) he was really good!
    
   Karen
    
1899.4CSCMA::SMITHTue Jun 21 1994 15:138
    His teeth are not prematurely aged, they are the opposite, his teeth
    surfaces say he's only 7-8, he even has the 7 year hook, it's the dealer 
    who sold him as 12-13.  
    I have been trying to contact Wayne Robinson for a while, I'll try him
    again.
    
    Thanks,
    Sharon
1899.5TOOK::MORENZJoAnne Morenz NIPG-IPEG US DTN 226-5870Wed Jun 22 1994 15:063
re: .2

..I thought all horses from dealers were 7 ;-)
1899.6But Wait! You're both right!CSCMA::SMITHWed Jun 22 1994 17:106
    When I was a kid they were always thirteen and from the northeast, but 
    now they are all seven and they are all from "out west". Secret dealer 
    agreement 1984832845. The horse I got was from New Hampshire so
    therefore he must be thirteen.
    
    Sharon
1899.7CSLALL::LCOBURNPlan B FarmWed Jun 22 1994 17:145
    The dealer I knew a few years back in Mass always had 8 year old
    Quarter Horses whose paper had been 'lost in transit' but had
    'the most wonderful bloodlines' and had been 'raised on a ranch
    out west'. :-)  
    
1899.8He musta' been wearin' platform shoes when he got measuredSTUDIO::BIGELOWPAINTS; color your corralThu Jun 23 1994 11:033
    I got sucked into one of those (okay, I learned) nice regiatered QH's
    from out west....when I got the papers, it was for a 17hh TB.....yeah
    right!
1899.9anywhere from 8-18?CSCMA::SMITHTue Jun 28 1994 11:2710
    Well, the vet was in the area last week, I needed her to drop off some
    medicine so she took a look at his teeth also. I wasn't home at
    the time, but I left her my neat little book and asked her to let me
    know what she thought. 
    Well, she left me a note that my book was pretty good, and she would
    estimate the horse at 15-17 years! Wow, we're only 10 years apart on
    our estimates :-[  !!, well I guess I need another opinion, Wayne 
    Robinson is coming out in July sometime, he'll said he'll take a look.
    
    Sharon
1899.10he's only 12!CSCMA::SMITHThu Aug 04 1994 11:5213
    Well, I finally got the horse dentist, Wayne Robinson up, boy he is
    good at his job. He pointed out some callouses in my mares mouth from
    possible bit problems, and filed the lower front molars in case they
    were causing them, but he really felt the bit was the culprit because
    she has such a tiny mouth. 
    Anyway he told me the other horse, the one in this discussion was a
    solid twelve year old and pointed out why. He went by the two upper
    cups on the outside still being present and the angle and squareness of
    the teeth.  I knew he couldn't be 15 with those cups on top, but I had
    thought the cups were also present on the inner uppers as well.  He has
    a way with the horses and can get a much better look at things.
    
    Sharon