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1898.1 | USCTA- Area I input | LUDWIG::SSHEA | | Tue Jun 07 1994 11:02 | 57 |
| I thought it would be a good idea to start a conference that deals with the
USCTA (United States Combined Training Association). People from all the
different areas can ask questions about specific events, results, awards,
clinics, etc. Tells us about yourself, your horse, experiences at events,
good stories in general and the like.
I'll start things out by saying it's my wife that events not me. I just help
with the trailering, grooming, video taping, scoring, lugging water, you get
the idea (actually I love this stuff!)
We are in Area I living in Gardner, MA. My wife is Christine Shea and her
horse is "Share The Profit". She is currently competing at Preliminary and
expects to move up to Intermediate at GMHA in August. She used to be in the
Groton Pony Club back in the 70's (before I knew her) and had about a 10 year
lay-off from horses between College and marrying me. About 4 years ago she
got back into it and has stayed an amateur since she works full time and we
have 2 kids (yep, it's a busy life).
Christine has gone to 3 events so far this year- UNH, King Oak, and Hitching
Post. For those that went to King Oak you know they cancelled Cross Country
for the Prelim riders due to the rain and poor footing conditions (we don't
need any hurt horses or riders). Rumors have it they may discount the entry to
their fall show for those that missed XC. She came in 3rd at UNH and Hitching
Post and 8th at King Oak (unfortunately XC is her strong point and she didn't
get to do it. No moving up but better safe than sorry though).
Upcoming events for us include:
Huntington (S. Strafford, VT) June 11
Groton House II (Hamilton, MA) June 24-26
Stoneleigh Burnham (Greenfield, MA) July 9,10
Stuart (Victor, NY) July 30,31
And at least 6 more to follow
Our favorite events: Probably Groton House and Ledyard. Beautiful locations,
3 days, good parties, well run, challenging. Christine hasn't competed outside
of Area I yet but I have a feeling I will be driving further and further
every year (she's talking about Fair Hill and Northern Georgia this fall-
yikes! We have been to Fair Hill to watch and that is a beautiful place also).
Christine just got a notice in the mail about a cross country clinic being
offered at Shepley Hill in Groton, MA on July 3rd. If you are interested let
me know and I can get you the details (Betsy Reeves is running it). I do know
they have 3 separate ways you can use the clinic- 1) use one of their
instructors, 2) use your own instructor, 3) go on your own. You can also
combine 2 of them.
One other thing, I will be helping out again with this years Area I Year End
Awards. I helped out Ray Dennis and Annie Eldridge last year for the first
time and volunteered to do it again this year. If you have any suggestions for
this years awards let me know and I can bring it up.
All right you USCTA members (and of course anyone else), let's hear from you!
Regards,
Shawn
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1898.2 | What about the BHS HTG? | PEKING::KYNASTONW | | Wed Jun 08 1994 08:48 | 4 |
| Could people who are registered with the British Horse Society Horse
Trials Group enter their discussions here as well?
Wendy
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1898.3 | Welcome BHS HTG | LUDWIG::SSHEA | | Wed Jun 08 1994 16:31 | 9 |
| Sure Wendy, the more the merrier. I would never exclude anyone. In
fact, maybe you could educate me and others by telling us a little
about the BHS HTG. This horse stuff is fairly new to me but I love
being involved in it and am trying to learn more all the time. My wife
has had to ride the BHS test C at several of her events and I never
even knew where that was coming from. Perhaps you can help out. While
your at it, tell us about yourself and where you are, and such.
Shawn
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1898.4 | Bitting rules change? | DECWET::JDADDAMIO | Seattle Rain Festival: 1/1-12/31 | Wed Jun 08 1994 17:00 | 27 |
| Since you've broadened the topic, I took the liberty of changing the
title. I also added several keywords so folks can find the topic more
easily. BTW, if you're interested in reading related notes, you can
find them through the topics index in note 4.2 which has a list of
"keywords" (like EVENTING) and the reply number(i.e. Note 4.x ) which
has a list of all notes which have the EVENTING(or whatever) keyword
attached to them. You can also use the same commands that were used to
create the topics index (i.e. DIR/KEY=EVENTING) but that takes more
time and burns up more computer resources.
Now that the administrative stuff is out of the way, I'll ask a
question.
I recently heard that the USCTA reported in its newsletter that they
have removed the Dr Bristol snaffle from the list of approved bits for
the dressage phase of events. The Dr Bristol is still on the approved
list for straight dressage under AHSA rules.
The person who told me this said that very similar French snaffles are
still permitted and that the article in USCTA's newsletter described the
differences. Unfortunatley, she couldn't remember why the Dr Bristol is
no longer approved and she had discarded the newsletter.
Do you recall the article or perhaps still have the Mar/Apr/May
newsletters around?
John
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1898.5 | Hooked! | PEKING::KYNASTONW | | Thu Jun 09 1994 12:49 | 35 |
| Hi,
I live in Berkshire in the UK and I am a member of the British Horse
Society Horse Trials Group which I beleive is the equivelent to the USCTA.
I am totally hooked on Horse Trials and my boyfriend has now become
more involved and volunterred to become my groom this year, which makes
life so much easier!
There are 4 different levels of competiton within the Horse Trials
Group and they are Pre Novice for horses with no points, Novice for
Horses 0 - 21 points Intermediate from 22 - 65 points Advanced 65
points and above.
I am currently competing at Novice level on my horse William who has 7
BHS Horse Trials Points. I have done numerous One day events and two
2 Day events which has been great fun, but means your horse has to be
quite fit! I tend to have lessons every other week and this week I was
very lucky to have a lesson from Dot Willis who trains Ginny Elliot nee
Leng, and she was brilliant.
Here in the UK Horse Trials has become very popluar so it can sometimes
be quite difficult to get into some of the events. This year quite a
few events have been cancelled due to the bad wether, which can effect
the going on the cross country. Windsor 3 Day Event was cancelled
because of the enormous amount of rain we have had.
going back to your question Shawn about the dressage test that your
wife has ridden BHS "C" this test is ridden at Novice level here in the
UK. There are 3 tests used in Pre Novice and Novice and they are:
Horse Trials A,B,C and D. Not particularly difficult and are reletively
short. As you progress and get more points and upgrade your horse the
dressage tests become more difficult.
Wendy
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1898.6 | Points? | STOWOA::MCKEOWN | | Thu Jun 09 1994 13:41 | 2 |
| How do you get points? I would guess by placing at an event, but how
many points for which place?
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1898.7 | Fun with Eventing | LUDWIG::SSHEA | | Thu Jun 09 1994 16:46 | 29 |
| Wendy,
Thanks for the info on BHS test C. I had noticed that it was alot
shorter than most of her Dressage tests, and not as demanding.
Whenever that test was being ridden at the events the scores would be
much closer than other tests ridden so Dressage didn't have as much
effect on the overall placings at the end of the day as other tests
can. At Preliminary level where my wife currently is, she usually rides
one of the First Level Dressage tests.
For those that don't know, the levels of competition in the USCTA
are: Novice, Training, Preliminary, Intermediate, and Advanced. There
are certain requirements to compete at the higher levels but Novice and
Training are open if you feel you are ready for them.
Wendy, tell us about William. My wife's horse, "Share the Profit", is
a 9 year old Thoroughbred Mare. She's 16 hands and about as sweet a
horse as you can meet. Her name came from the fact that my wife bought
her with her Profit Sharing checks from where she works. She was a race
horse born down in Florida, raced up the east coast until she was sold
at a local race track to a college student. As it ended up the girl
couldn't afford to keep her and that's when we came in. Shari (as we
call her) didn't know anything but running. Christine has done most of
the training herself and recently has been receiving lessons from Jerry
Schurink who runs the Univeristy Of Massachusetts Equine Center. Shari
just loves the cross country phase of eventing. You can tell she knows
when it's time for it, she starts to get a little excited and just
can't wait to go full bore over those jumps.
Shawn
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1898.9 | | QE010::ROMBERG | I feel a vacation coming on... | Fri Jun 10 1994 11:38 | 3 |
| fyi, as a comparison, the Novice level in the UK is basically the equivalent
of the Preliminary level in the US. The intermediate and advanced levels are
also comparable in both countries.
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1898.10 | Dr. Bristol in the USCTA News | LUDWIG::SSHEA | | Fri Jun 10 1994 11:54 | 36 |
| re: .4
John,
I found the article you were asking about. I have included it
below. Remember that the USCTA is part of the AHSA and have their own
set of rules. If the USCTA chooses to ban the Dr. Bristol from the
dressage phase, that doesn't mean the AHSA has to do the same for the
dressage only folks. I agree it sounds like two sets of standards though.
You would think if something is bad in one place it should be bad in
all places.
Hope this helps.
Shawn
The following was copied without permission from the April/May USCTA News:
DR. BRISTOL BIT
With the Dr. Bristol bit no longer allowed for the dressage phase of combined
training in both the U.S. and Canada, the question often comes up of how to
distinguish the Dr. Bristol from the French Snaffle, which is still allowed.
Horse Tack, edited by Julie Richardson and published by William Morrow &
Company, Inc., in 1981 provides the following descriptions:
o Dr. Bristol Snaffle: Generally, double-jointed mouthpieces are joined in the
center by a smooth, flat plate. In the Dr. Bristol family of bits, this plate
lies at an angle to the tongue.
o French Snaffle: The French snaffle also has a plate link, but this lies flat
all the time and the bit is therefore milder than the Dr. Bristol.
Therefore, the difference is that there is a slight twist to the joint where
it connects to the plate on the Dr. Bristol. This twist is generally about 45
degrees.
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1898.11 | Dr. Bristol and the USCTA | DECWET::JDADDAMIO | Seattle Rain Festival: 1/1-12/31 | Tue Jun 14 1994 20:48 | 43 |
| Thanks Sean. I don't think it's a matter of the bit being "bad."
Like you said, dressage and CT are different "divisions" of AHSA and
therefore can have different rules. The main confusion for me was that
the figure in the dressage division rules said that it showed the bits
allowed in dressage and the dressage phase of CT *and* it showed a Dr
Bristol bit! In other words, AHSA needs to clean up that figure now
that CT has separate bit rules(and figures!) for the dressage phase.
I recently saw this on rec.equestrian which explains the logic behind
Dr Bristol's not being allowed this year:
From: [email protected] (Lori Kowal)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Dr. Bristol and the USCTA
Date: 14 Jun 1994 22:00:59 GMT
Well, I called USCTA and talked to a very nice lady. Those of you on
equine L already have seen this so skip this article!
The lady at the USCTA said that the reason the Dr. Bristol was outlawed
has nothing to do with less equipment or more. The simple reason is that
in international competition this bit is illegal.
The bit manufcturers
have been crossing the Dr. Bristol and the French Snaffle, so the
end result can be a bit that is pretty mild BUT the nice fat link
is at an angle.
She claims that there have been instances in the last year where people
have shown up at a star event and been told they can't use their bit.
What a chock that would be! So, the rule change is to get the local
clubs in line with the International Rules.
She said that she's only had about a thousand phone calls from competitors,
who were held up at the gate, and gate judges who didn't know
what the heck was going on! Looks like an education issue!
By the way, I've been told that there is a bit on the market that acts
like a french snaffle but has a little roundish ball instead of the
link.
Sigh, what will they think of next!
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1898.12 | Groton House, anyone? | ASDG::CORMIER | | Wed Jun 15 1994 14:21 | 11 |
|
Anyone competing at Groton House (Hamilton, Ma) this coming weekend?
It's going to be a scortcher!
I may be there to watch.
Simone
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1898.13 | GHF II | LUDWIG::SSHEA | | Wed Jun 15 1994 16:28 | 12 |
| Hi Simone!
Christine will be going to Groton House II in two weeks, but not this
weekend. This weekend her and Erin will be going to the Hunter Pace at
Shepley Hill. It will be Erin's and "Spiders" first time out.
If you happen to make it up to Groton House II make sure you find us.
We always park in the very back and set up a tent and canopy and really
enjoy the weekend. They have a party there on Saturday night- a BBQ
with a DJ and usually videos. It's alot of fun!
Shawn
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1898.14 | GHF II - Cross Country Times | DEVMKO::RAMSEY | | Fri Jun 17 1994 14:41 | 11 |
|
Hi,
I would like to watch the cross country phase of Groton House II. Could
someone tell me what day cross country is being held (25th or 26th)
and what are the cross country start times for the various levels.
thanks a bunch,
diane
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1898.15 | GHF II XC Times | LUDWIG::SSHEA | | Fri Jun 17 1994 16:29 | 21 |
| Hi Diane,
Cross country at GHF II is on Saturday the 25th. I don't know what
the times are for the different divisions (GHF II has Training,
Preliminary and Intermediate, no Novice riders) but I do know that
Preliminary is probably the first division to go out. The reason I say
this is that my wife Christine goes at 8:34 and she is going
Preliminary.
I would assume (uh oh) that Intermediate will follow Preliminary and
Training will be going last. I think they do it this way to allow the
spectators to see the Intermediate riders at the "best" time. XC will
probably start at 8:00 but they have started earlier at different
events. This should give you a gage on when to show up depending on what
you want to see.
I love watching the Intermediate people go, and the water complex is
usually the jump where the crowd gathers to watch. It's alot of fun!
Hope you make it there,
Shawn
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1898.16 | directions to GHF II? | AKOCOA::MARJOMAA | | Sat Jun 18 1994 08:56 | 9 |
|
I am a new spectator to the shows and competition, now that my kids are
really interested in riding more. Could someone post directions to get
to the GHF II on the 25th? I will be coming from Fitchburg.
Sounds like a great event to watch!!!
Thanks!
Marcia
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1898.17 | Thanks! | NHASAD::RAMSEY | | Mon Jun 20 1994 08:26 | 18 |
|
Shawn,
Thanks very much for the information. I've only been to GHF II once
many years back. That time I was lucky enough to catch the Prelim &
Intermediate competitions. It was great! I love to watch XC even
though you'd never get me to ride over a pre-novice course. Instead
I usually fence judge once or twice a year. I rarely get to go
and just be a spectator so this will be a real treat.
I second .16's request for directions. I have detailed maps of the
area so even the street name and # would probably be enough to get
me there.
Thanks again and good-luck to your wife!
diane
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1898.18 | Directions to GHF | LUDWIG::SSHEA | | Mon Jun 20 1994 10:32 | 25 |
| Marcia, Diane, everyone else,
Directions to Groton House Farm:
Northbound: Rte 128 to exit 20 North to Rte 1A for 2.3 miles to Wenham
Center. Left on Arbor St (becomes Highland St). GHF 3.5 miles on left.
Southbound: Rte 95 to exit 54. Left on Rte 133 East for 3.2 miles to
Rte 1. Right on Rte 1 South for 4 miles to traffic light. Left on
Ipswich Road for 2.5 miles. Right on Willowdale Road (becomes Winthrop
St) to end. Left on Highland St for 1/2 mile to GHF. Driveway on left.
If any of you fellow Equitation Notes filers make it to GHF try to
track me down and introduce yourself. Some hints to find us... There is
a listing at the stalls set up under the big tents of the horse and
rider (Christine Shea and "Share The Profit") so you will know which
stall is ours and sooner or later we will show up there. Also, we
usually camp out in the back section by the grounds behind the stall
tents. There will be a green tent and blue canopy set up back there,
that's us. And me personally... I'm pretty easy to find... I'm 6'5"
tall, about 240 pounds with a real short hair cut (yes my wife just
uses the horse clippers on me and my son!).
Hope to see you there!
Shawn
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1898.19 | More on GHF. | A1VAX::GUNN | I couldn't possibly comment | Mon Jun 20 1994 17:02 | 24 |
| Cross country at Groton House II nominally begins at 8:00 a.m. on
Saturday and goes all day. It will depend on how many entries each
division has and how many competitors drop out as to when the last
horse goes but it could be as late as 5:00 p.m.
Coming from the north to Groton House Farm, the right turn from Ipswich
Road on to Winthrop Street is easy to miss because Winthrop Street is
narrow and soon turns to dirt. It's the first right after the road to
Bradley Palmer State Park. There may be a small "GHF" sign at the
turning.
I will be fence judging this Saturday as I did last Saturday for GHF I.
I don't know what fence(s) I will be at.
GHF I did not pass without incident. A Training Horse had a heart
attack and died at Fence 8. There was nothing to indicate a problem
ahead of time either with the course or the horse.
While this tragedy appeared to be by chance some other competitors
later in the day seem to have abandoned their common sense. For the
Novice Divisions the Ground Jury lowered the optimum speed to 300
metres a minute (a strong trot) because of the heat. A significant
number of competitors paid no attention and zoomed around at 500 metres
a minute or more.
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1898.20 | Thanks! | DEVMKO::RAMSEY | | Tue Jun 21 1994 08:17 | 4 |
| Thanks for the info and the directions. Maybe we'll see you there.
diane
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1898.21 | USCTA XC/STADIUM CHANGES FOR '94 | LUDWIG::SSHEA | | Wed Jun 22 1994 13:43 | 75 |
| This was in the USCTA News from February 1994. I thought it would be good
information for those that hadn't seen it yet. It would be interesting to
see the corresponding information from the BHS HTG if anyone has it.
Summary of Changes in Specifications for Horse Trials
(Prior specifications are shown in parentheses)
CROSS-COUNTRY Novice Training Preliminary
Distance (meters)....1500-2000(2000) 2000-2500(2500) 2000-3000(same)
Speed (mpm)...........350-400(same) 400-450(400-500) 520-550(520)
Jumping Efforts........12-20(same) 16-20(same) 18-28(18-26)
Drop Maximum...........3'11"(3'7") 4'7"(4'0") 5'3"(4'7")
Number of Maximum
Drops Allowed...........NS(same) NS(1) NS(1)
Minimum Distance
Between Numbered
Obstacles..................33' 21'5" NS(same)
Intermediate Advanced
Distance (meters)....2400-3500(same) 3250-4000(same)
Speed (mpm)...........550-570(550) 570-600(570)
Jumping Efforts........22-32(20-28) 25-40(22-30)
Drop Maximum...........5'11"(5'7") 6'7"(same)
Number of Maximum
Drops Allowed.............NS(1) NS(1)
Minimum Distance
Between Numbered
Obstacles...............NS(same) NS(same)
*NS= Not Specified
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
SHOW JUMPING (Maximum Height Unchanged)
Novice Training Preliminary
Spread Across Top
(Maximum)..............3'3"(same) 3'9"(3'11") 4'3"(4'7")
Spread at Base
(Maximum)..............4'11"(same) 5'7"(5'3") 6'3"(6'7")
Number of
Combinations...........One double Two doubles or Two doubles or
(Was permitted one double and one double and
now required) one triple one triple
(one double, one (Not previously
triple permitted) specified)
Minimum number of
fences combining
height & spread..........2(1) 2(1) 2(1)
Intermediate Advanced
Spread Across Top
(Maximum)...............4'9"(5'3") 5'3"(5'11")
Spread at Base
(Maximum)..............6'11"(7'10") 7'7"(9'2")
Number of
Combinations..........Two doubles or Two doubles or
one double and one double and
one triple one triple
(Not previously (Not previously
specified) specified)
Minimum number of
fences combining
height & spread............2(1) 2(1)
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1898.22 | Mixed measurement systems??? | DECWET::JDADDAMIO | Seattle Rain Festival: 1/1-12/31 | Wed Jun 22 1994 14:19 | 3 |
| Don't you find it curious that all the distances and speeds used metric
units(meters and meters per minute) but that jump heights and drops
were specified in feet and inches?
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1898.23 | Very curious measurement system | LUDWIG::SSHEA | | Wed Jun 22 1994 16:14 | 12 |
| re: .22
John,
You're right, that is a little strange. I hadn't really noticed
that before. You would think it would be entirely in English or metric,
but not mixed. If I think of it I will ask Anne Getchell at GHF II this
weekend, she may have an answer for that. If she doesn't there are
plenty of other folks I can ask.
Shawn
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1898.24 | any in NH/VT ? | MTCLAY::DOUGLAS | | Mon Jun 27 1994 08:23 | 6 |
| Anyone know of upcoming x-country events in NH. or VT ??
I would like to watch a few this summer, directions would
be helpful also.
Thanks, T
|
1898.25 | Events in NH and VT through end of year | LUDWIG::SSHEA | | Tue Jun 28 1994 10:05 | 36 |
| RE: .24
T,
The following list shows the Events through the rest of the year in NH and VT
only. If you have a specific show you are interested in let me know and I can
get the directions and days/times for the different phases. The letters after
the farm show what levels are competing there. N= Novice, T= Training,
P= Preliminary, I= Intermediate.
Hope this helps,
Shawn
July
----
15-17 Huntington Farm: S. Strafford, VT. (T,P,I)
August
------
5-7 GMHA: S. Woodstock, VT. (T,P,I)
13-14 Tamarack Hill Farm: Strafford, VT. (N,T)
21 Taproot Morgan Equestrian Centre: Hinesburg, VT. (N,T)
September
---------
2-4 Huntington Farm: S. Strafford, VT. (N,T,P)
17-18 GMHAYC: S. Woodstock, VT. (N,T)
25 Red Horse Hill: ?, NH. (N)
October
-------
8-9 UNH: Durham, NH. (N,T,P)
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1898.26 | Not sure on mixed measurements | LUDWIG::SSHEA | | Tue Jun 28 1994 12:42 | 16 |
| re: .22
John,
I asked around at GHF II this past weekend about the mix of metric
and English measurements and nobody seemed to know why. Most of them
reacted like I did at first, not really noticing it or really paying
attention to it. Others guessed that the distances and speed were such
that miles/mph were not accurate to use for detailing the speed of a
horse and as far as the heights, just simple... that's what we are
used to here in the U.S. Not that this justifies it but it probably has
some accuracy to it.
Maybe other noters can ask around also to see if there is a reason
for this mix or if it just evolved into what we have for no apparent
reason.
Shawn
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1898.27 | No penalty zones any more in the U.S. | A1VAX::GUNN | I couldn't possibly comment | Tue Jun 28 1994 18:26 | 35 |
| New this year in the USCTA/AHSA rules for combined training is the
abolition of penalty zones around the obstacles in the cross country
course. Allegedly to bring US rules more into line with FEI rules the
"no penalty zone" change will both help and hinder competitors. Now the
runouts, refusals and falls have to be judged to be associated with an
attempt to jump a fence no matter where on course they occur.
I witnessed both the positive and negative impact of the rule change at
the two Groton House Farm events in Hamilton, Massachusetts, over the
last two weekends.
Many of the obstacles at GHF are built into the farms fence lines so
there is a lot of galloping across a field and jumping over an obstacle
into the next field. More than one Novice or Training Horse coming
across a field towards a fence line and the obstacle in it stopped dead
in the middle of the field with a "I am not going near that (obstacle)"
snorting act. Under the old rules this would not have counted as a
refusal if it happened more than 10 metres - 33 feet from the obstacle,
the limit of the old penalty zone. However, since the riders were
clearly setting up their horses to jump the obstacle when the horses
gave the "Not on my shift" response, these stops counted as refusals.
On the other hand one of the Intermediate Young Riders approached the
fence I was judging at a runaway. The fence required a turn to the
right before jumping it, but the rider had no control of the horse at
that point. So the horse charged straight ahead down the track along
the fence line paying no attention at all to the rider. Under the old
rules entering and leaving the penalty zone without jumping the
obstacle (which is what this horse effectively did) counted as a runout
or refusal. However, since the rider, whatever her intentions, was
unable to present her horse to the obstacle this did not count as a
runout. All the rider incurred was the extra time it took to get her
horse back under control and return and jump the obstacle. I had a long
discussion with the Technical Delegate on the finer points of this
incident before I turned in my score sheet.
|
1898.28 | USCTA statistics for '92, '93 | LUDWIG::SSHEA | | Thu Jun 30 1994 12:10 | 35 |
| The numbers below were listed in the USCTA News. I thought it would be
interesting to show the two years side by side and see how the various areas
showed growth or decline. There is a wide mix of growth and decline in both
number of events held and the number of starters from each area but as you
can see by the total there was growth in both events and starters overall in the
USCTA!
There is alot more detail to these charts from each area (showing by level;
Novice, Training, etc) but too much to copy over. It will be interesting to see
what 1994 brings.
If anyone has this same type of information for years prior to 1992 please
include it, it would be interesting to see how the USCTA has evolved. Also, if
anyone from the BHS has similar information, please include it as well.
Shawn
1992 1993
Area Events Starters Events Starters
----- ------------------ -------------------
I 31 4315 30 3993
II 42 6790 43 6540
III 32 3667 39 3587
IV 18 1826 21 2124
V 16 1467 13 1268
VI 20 2791 26 3198
VII 13 1366 15 1864
VIII 24 3186 23 3059
IX 11 962 16 1125
X 11 945 9 913
----- ------------------ -------------------
Total 218 27,315 235 27,671
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1898.29 | Stuart H.T. info? | LUDWIG::SSHEA | | Tue Jul 05 1994 12:24 | 9 |
| Has anyone ever been to the Stuart Horse Trials in Victor, NY? We are
heading up there for a show on July 30th and 31st and were just curious
as to what to expect. If you have been there, what event in Area I would
you compare it to as far as how it is run and how the XC course is? We
have heard it is a well run show and has a challenging XC course but I
would like to hear more specifics if anyone has them to share.
Thanks,
Shawn
|
1898.30 | Stuart Horse Trials... A must event for all | LUDWIG::SSHEA | | Mon Aug 08 1994 15:05 | 79 |
| If you're only going to make 1 long trip to an event in Area I, make it
Stuart. This place was fantastic! I don't recall ever being at an event
that went off as well as this one did and provide a beautiful facility
to boot!
This place was run perfectly, the P.A. system was spread out all over
so you could hear it everywhere, the timing was on schedule, everyone
was friendly (even the folks helping you park) and helpful, and they never
made you feel like you were putting them out.
Dressage warm up was nice in that they had a field where you first went
to start warming up and there may be alot of horses, then they called you
to the "collecting area" about 20 minutes before your test and it was
only you and maybe 3 other horses warming up there so you could really
concentrate (in a separate field), then to top it off when you were
called into the ring as the previous person was finishing they called
you by your first name. It may seem like a small thing but it was a
class touch, and much better than "Hey, number 26, you're up now".
Cross Country was beautiful. They went all out and had sponsors for
each fence and it showed. They were all either new or in great shape
and always well decorated with the sponsors name on a sign next to it.
The terrain is up and down small hills with flat galloping between
which made it interesting but not too much on the horses. There was a
nice water complex for Novice, Training, and Preliminary levels all to
utilize. I would say the XC course was moderate to difficult but not
dangerous. All the fence judges seemed well trained and always kept the
crowd back for safety reasons (quite a few people were there to watch).
Since it was hot on XC day, the riders that were going during the
hotter parts of the day were given juice drinks as they came through
the finish flags (again, nice class act). And, not that anyone wanted
to use it, but there was a lifeflight helicopter on grounds.
The stadium course was nice, was well decorated, and used the terrain well
as part of it was on a slope. Small problem with one jump that had a
cute dinosaur on each side as part of the standards... they were so big
and had alot of surface area that later in the day when it got windy
they blew down a few times. Nobody seemed to care too much and the jump
crew was fast to fix it.
For misc input... They had a large tent set up with different folks selling
their equestrian wares. An ice cream vendor did well over the warm
weekend, and the food service did a great job (they even had a roast
going on a spit). The scores went up fairly quickly, the secretary was
always available, there were plenty of porta-potties, and everything
was well marked. In each of the competitors packets (with their numbers
and such) they all received samples of liniments, mane care, vitamins,
etc. (quite alot actually). When it came time for the awards
presentations there was alot of "Pomp and Circumstance". They had a man
playing the Bagpipes, flags flying, the sponsors taking pictures with
the winners, etc. The prizes they gave away were incredible. A friend
of ours won the Young Riders Open Preliminary division and received a
Cooler for her horse embroidered with "Stuart Horse Trials", a hard
hat, and a new XC event saddle (over $1,000 saddle)! Not a bad deal.
This is the 5th year they have held this event and next year they will
be hosting the Eastern Adult Team Championships. The stabling was about
8 miles away at an old racetrack training barn. The stalls and
facilities were fine and it only took about 15 minutes to get to the
event, but... according to what I heard, they are putting permanent stalls
on ground for next year!
Another thing to say, the competitors party Saturday night... most
places that have the parties have a DJ, set up some benches or chairs
have a Bar-B-Q and charge $5 for competitors and $10 for all else. Stuart
had a live band, a nice buffet, tables with linens, helium balloons,
and open bar for beer and wine... cost- competitors were free and all
else were $14, not bad at all!
Stuart is the classiest place in Area I that we have been to (and we
have been to almost all of them) and the best run. Mark it down on your
event calendar for next year (end of July), you won't be disappointed!
This is all my opinion obviously and yours may vary, but even if you
only like it half as much as everyone I know liked it, it will still be
better than 90% of the events you go to.
Shawn
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1898.31 | Info on Area X? | LUDWIG::SSHEA | | Wed Aug 31 1994 17:25 | 14 |
| Is there anyone out there that has any knowledge of Area X (Arizona,
New Mexico, Nevada area) events? What are they like, how well are they
run, etc? The Omnibus shows all the events and the levels they have but
I was looking for some specific input to the shows themselves. If
anyone can respond to this and also has experience with Area I (New
England and New York) please make a comparison. Also, how practical is
it to make it to various shows in Area X when they are spread out so
far? How many shows a year does a competitor make it to in Area X? We
are very spoiled here in Area I as far as the number of events within a
reasonable driving distance (most within 2-3 hours, all within 7 for
us).
Thanks for any input,
Shawn
|
1898.32 | It ain't much but it's somethin | DECWET::JDADDAMIO | Seattle:Life in the espressolane | Wed Aug 31 1994 20:32 | 26 |
| Hmmm. I don't think we have anybody left from the Arizona, New Mexico,
Nevada region. Holly Butterman was in NM but she left Digital a little
while ago. She did offer some comments about eventing in NM when I
mentioned a televised event from NM. See notes 1564.40-1564.44.
As to driving distances, that was a bit of culture shock when we came
out here from New England. Like you with the events, we went to dressage
shows in MA, NH and VT, and had as many shows as we cared to enter
within a few hours drive.
Out here in the West, the driving distances can be enormous! Fortnuately,
we have 2 or 3 recognized shows that are within 3 hours trailering.
Unfortunately, most shows are 4 or more hours away and involve either a
ferry ride and/or crossing mountains that make the New England mountains
look like ant hills. It ain't much fun getting to these shows. The ferry
ride itself isn't so bad but you usually have to wait twice as long as
the ride lasts(e.g. the ferry trip is 35 min but you have to be there at
least 1 hour before the ferry you want to catch!)
In AZ, NM or NV, you would have the problem with ferry trips but they
still have mountains. And all that empty desert between towns...
I know somebody who lives in AZ, I send 'em mail and see if they do any
significant travellign with horses.
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1898.33 | Tips on trailering, etc in SW deserts | DECWET::JDADDAMIO | Seattle:Life in the espressolane | Thu Sep 01 1994 15:03 | 112 |
| Here's the response to my e-mail to Arizona...
Subj: Re: Hey, do you guys do much trailering?
> I know somebody(an eventer) who asked about shows in AZ, NM & NV and was
> wondering about the travelliing time/conditions when trailering horses to
> competitions. Since you live there and show some, I thought you might be able
> to provide some info.
The main thing to remember is that when it is 100+ degrees don't
trailer during the day, especially not the middle of the day. You can get
away with it for short distances (30 minutes travel) but anything longer and
you will just plain cook your horse. Horses founder from the heat in those
conditions and I have known of at least two fine horses that were heat
foundered when trailered over an hour when it was above 100 degrees. I've
heard of others who have suspicious founders after trailering in those kind of
conditions. People travel at night or in the very very early mornings when
it's hot like that. Another thing to do is to stop frequently to water the
horses and let them out, like at least once every two hours. Some trailers
are better than others for horses to travel in when it's hot. Stock trailers
with roofs (as you know never use an open stock trailer for horses they can
rear up and get caught over the side, I know of one that had to have
emergency roadside surgery in order to save its life because of that kind of
trailer) anyway stock trailers with roofs have more air flow since they have
long openings along the sides. They are less good when it's cold. A good
rule of thumb is that if it's hot for you in the car without the air
conditioning on it's worse for the horse in the trailer. You must bring
lots and lots of water with you as water is not always easily accessible
either at the competition or on the road in case of a breakdown. Five
gallons is a minimum to carry when travelling. One woman I know uses 2 Liter
Coke bottles to bring her water with her to competitions.
There are big differences in the degree of heat depending on what
part of Arizona you are in. Most places in Northern Arizona are at a higher
elevation (4500 to 7000 feet) and are cooler than Southern Arizona (1500 to
3000 feet). The big cities, Phoenix and Tucson, are in Southern Arizona.
There is also a difference in temperature depending on whether you are in
Phoenix and Tucson. Phoenix can reach temps of 122 degrees F, Tucson's
highest high was 117 F. This summer we had many many days of over 100 degree
temps, Tucson's highest temp this summer was 115. We had over 20 days of 110
degrees or higher. Starting in May we began our 100 degree and higher temps.
With an occassional day that dropped down to 99 we still continue with 100 +
temps. In Northern Arizona you are looking at temps of roughly 85 to 99
degrees during the summer. The competition season here begins in September
and goes through May with a break in the middle of the summer. Occassional
competitions take place at higher elevations during the summer but you must
be very careful when travelling then because of potential heat stress on the
horses. It doesn't get cool here in the lower deserts until the middle of
October. Cool in this case means below 90 F. When it does get cool it gets
real cool and even cold. In the winter our lows are roughly 25-35 degrees F
with the high country having lows from 0 to the lower teens. The high temp
during the day is often 30 to 40 degrees above the low but not always.
A big problem here is with horses and people who suffer from
anhydrosis, the inability to sweat. Those horses and people are very very
susceptible to heat stress. There is a biochemist I know of who works with
Dr Sarah Ralston[note: Dr Ralston is a DVM & a board certified nutritionist]
who has formulated a supplement that will cause an anhydrotic horse (or
person) to resume sweating if taken on a daily basis but it is still in the
testing phase.
Humidity during the summer is a real problem. The first half of
the summer it's so dry it can suck the life right out of you or your horse
without you realizing it. Every year we lose people during the dry season
to dehydration. This year an entire family died when their evaporative
cooler went out during a time when our temps were over 110. They died of
dehydration during the night. Horses can handle the heat stress well if
certain points of care are observed. 1) Make sure they have access at all
times to lots and lots of water and that the water is not too hot (automatic
waterers are notorious for delivering boiling hot water that horses cannot
drink). The water should be shaded most of the day, a bigger tank will allow
the water to stay cooler than a smaller tank, a round one is better than an
oval one, a tall one is better than a shallow one. 2) The horse must have
access to shade during the entire day. An open corral with a shade is
often better than a stall in an enclosed barn because the air movement
provides for better sweat evaporation. 3) Don't overfeed, fat horses
founder here with great ease during the summer. 4) If the horse looks
stressed hose it down to cool it off, start with the legs. Horses are
most in danger of impaction colic during the summer here.
When we begin to get our annual monsoon air flow the humidity climbs
with great rapidity. Often we get temps of over 110 with humidities of
50 to 60%, not much by eastern standards but when the temp is that high
that level of humidity creates absolutely intolerable conditions. At that
time everyone backs off of riding. If you ride you ride in the evening or
in the morning with occassional natives with Arabs or QHs riding during the
day but bringing lots of water (some of us teach our horses to drink from
our canteens). But we don't do a lot vigorous stuff in that kind of heat
and humidity. With the monsoons we can get thunderstorms and flash floods,
which are a welcome relief because they cool us down but the next day
the humidity is much higher and the heat returns. Conditions can change
by the hour so the watchful newcomer watches the natives and asks them
what the weather is going to do, do not pay any attention to the weather
reports they are rarely accurate during the monsoons. The natives feel
that rain is our friend, newcomers rarely appreciate it the way we do.
Nobody trailers when the temps and the humidity are high unless they
want to kill their horse or they are desparate.
The reason that QHs and Arabs are so popular here is because they
keep better than most other breeds during the hot periods. Big horses
particularly warmbloods often are not very tolerant of the heat. Many
people wind up moving their big horses up north for the summer if they are
wealthy enough.
Trace mineral salt is essential, during the very hottest part of
the summer horses cannot get all the trace minerals they need from licking
a block, they'd rub their tongues raw. During that time providing loose
trace mineral salt is helpful (I knock chunks off my horse's blocks with
a hammer and put them in their grain buckets when it's very hot).
> Thanks for any help
> John
You're very welcome. I hope this was of some use. I can give more
specific information if your friend can tell you what town in Arizona he or
she is thinking of moving to. Phoenix is roughly a two and a half hour drive
from Tucson.
|
1898.34 | Thanks for Arizona info | LUDWIG::SSHEA | | Fri Sep 02 1994 09:50 | 16 |
| John,
Thank your friend for me, that was alot of helpful information. I
think if we do move down there (very slim chance as of right now) it
will take some major adjusting. We never have to think about all the
stuff your friend mentioned, we just pack up and go wherever we want at
any time we want and don't really have to worry about the elements. If
we were to head to Arizona it would be in the Flagstaff area which is
north and may not be as extreme but still very different for us.
Another subject... Are there very few people in Digital that Event?
It seems like there would be more but there is very little activity in
this note. Perhaps they aren't noters or perhaps there just aren't that
many. Oh well, there is still some activity going on.
Thanks again,
Shawn
|
1898.35 | been there .... | TOLKIN::BENNETT | | Fri Sep 02 1994 13:07 | 19 |
|
The information John provided about AZ is accurate. I was out there
for two years and had a Warmblood that I boarded at CARA (Central AZ
Riding Academy). I focused on dressage - and didn't hear/see much on
the eventing circuit. Although the summer is very hot - the horses do
get used to it and there are a few precautions you must take
(electrolytes, barn fans, etc). My lessons were scheduled at dusk when
it was still well over 100 in the summer. It was only the dryness that
bothered me - and I had my water bottle hanging on the fence at all
times. My Warmblood may have the exception - but he seemed to thrive
in the heat - he would choose an open, sunny, sandy spot in our pasture
to 'sunbath' (he had a shaded stall to go to). The amount of dressage
activity was nothing compared to the northeast - but there were
recognized shows in Chandler and Scottsdale.
Flagstaff is gorgeous. Period. It's cooler than the Phoenix area
during the summer - but not as cold here in the winter (although they
can get considerable snow in the winter). If we ever move back there -
my first choice would be Flagstaff.
|
1898.36 | Flagstaff info | DECWET::JDADDAMIO | Seattle:Life in the espressolane | Tue Sep 06 1994 15:31 | 52 |
| More from Arizona... Hope it helps...
Hi, John,
> Yes, it was a great deal of help. They are considering moving to Flagstaff.
> It seems to be only a possibility at this point but they want to take the
> important things(e.g. quality of life with horses ;-) into account when they
> make the decision. They said thanks very much and that you mentioned things
> they would never have thought about. Also said that it would be a big
> adjustment! (That may qualify as the understatement of the year! ;-)
Flagstaff is a beautiful area, it is mountainous, at about 6900 ft.,
gets cold in the winter, warm in the summer (95F) but not hot like in Tucson
and Phoenix. In Flag they're going to have to worry about ice in water troughs
in the winter more than heat in the summer. We wish we could move up there
but there isn't much in the way of jobs there. The other thing they are
having trouble with is water. Flagstaff is dependent on underground water
and that is in short supply. Most of the time there isn't much trouble
in travelling from Flagstaff to Phoenix because most of the shows in the
Phoenix area (Phoenix is closer to Flag than Tucson so they will mostly
go to shows in Phoenix) are during the fall or spring and therefore not
too hot. The problem is actually more for those of us living in the
Tucson and Phoenix areas going to Flagstaff because the few shows that are
in the Flagstaff area are held when it is very hot in high summer and that
means that trailering for us must take place at night, no other way.
Flagstaff doesn't have much in the way of schooling shows, only one or two
recognized shows, one Arab, one open dressage, a couple of combined training
events, and one or two hunter/jumper shows. Phoenix is 2 1/2 hours away
from Flag (~150 miles) and because of the 6 degree slopes on I-17 they'll
need a truck with some umph (3.5 or better rear axle, ours is a 3.73) to
pull a trailer easily up those slopes. Tell them to get air conditioning
and a transmission and engine oil cooler in order to travel to the Phoenix
area when the temps are high. If they don't intend to travel to Phoenix
when it's hot then they can probably get away without the air conditioning
but will probably be glad to have the transmission and oil cooler for
trailering anyway. You don't need a transmission and oil cooler when
hauling from Tucson to Phoenix and back because it's so flat, 120 miles
away and only a 700 ft elevation change (Tucson is at 2500 feet, Phoenix is
at 1800 ft.).
It does snow in Flagstaff in the winter and pastures can get icy, with mud
under the ice, but winter is not bad there and there are only a couple of
bad storms per season.
I am told hay is very expensive there, I don't know how expensive. It's
pretty expensive here, $9.50/125 lb. bale of alfalfa or bermuda, timothy is
not available for the most part and is very very expensive when it is.
Most horses do very well in Flag with just a run-in shed. Those are the
only other things that I can think of to tell your friends.
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1898.37 | Clarification | DECWET::JDADDAMIO | Seattle:Life in the espressolane | Fri Sep 16 1994 15:26 | 23 |
| Oops, I forgot to mention this when I posted the info about Flagstaff.
My friend says:
>Flagstaff is a beautiful area, it is mountainous, at about 6900 ft.,
> ... Phoenix is 2 1/2 hours away
>from Flag (~150 miles) and because of the 6 degree slopes on I-17 they'll
>need a truck with some umph (3.5 or better rear axle, ours is a 3.73) to
>pull a trailer easily up those slopes.
That may read like a recommendation for going to a 3.50 rear-end ratio
from a 3.73. It's not. The 3.50/3.55 gear ratio is the "standard"
"general use" ratio and is not really suitable for towing. In mountainous
areas, especially those with high elevations(like the Rockies and
Cascades), the 3.73 rear-end gear ratio is considered the minimum
acceptable. Lots of people go with a higher ratio like 4.10 or 4.11. As
for engine size, a 350 V8 is minimum. Those that don't want to slow down
to 30 MPH on uphill pulls order a big block engine(425-475 range.)
With our 454 V8 Suburban(4.10 rear-end), I've towed over both the
Rockies and the Cascades without ever dropping below 50 MPH on the
Interstate. Our car can't get itself, the driver and a few suitcases
over the same roads at 45!
|
1898.38 | Area change? | LUDWIG::SSHEA | | Fri Sep 16 1994 15:58 | 19 |
| John,
Thanks again for all the info. We are still waiting on the proposed
job opening for my wife out in Flagstaff. It has been dragging on and
the longer it goes the less likely I think anything will come of it.
Should it happen I think the truck/trailer combination we have will be
ok. We have a 1994 extended cab Chevy 2500 heavy duty with all the extra
cooling equipment on the 350 engine. The rear gears are 4.11 and it is
pulling an aluminum 1994 Kingston 2 horse with a dressing room. It
handles just fine in the "hills" of Vermont (I know they aren't the
Rockies) and does pretty well for mileage on the highways.
Should it look more realistic that we will be heading out I will
start asking for more details from our noter friends on places to
board, trainers in the area and such. I know they mentioned sending our
family out for a look at the area prior to any decision we may make so
at that time we would check into the horse stuff in addition to
everything else.
Thanks,
Shawn
|
1898.39 | Anyone going to Ledyard Sept 23-25? | LUDWIG::SSHEA | | Fri Sep 16 1994 16:03 | 11 |
| Is anyone in noterland heading out to Ledyard in Hamilton, Ma next
weekend? It's running Friday the 23rd through Sunday the 25th. Ledyard
is always a great place to go see eventing even though they only have
horse trials and no 3-days anymore (last year was the last for 3-day
competitions). My wife Christine is competing Preliminary there so if
you think you are going to be heading out let me know and I will try to
meet up with you and put a face with the messages in the file.
If anyone needs directions let me know and I can post them.
Shawn
|
1898.40 | EVENTING IN THE UK | WELCLU::BALDAR | | Sat Sep 24 1994 11:49 | 44 |
| Hi
I live in the UK in Cambridgeshire and a member of the
B.H.S.T.H.G.
For the last 2 years I have competed at Pre Novice level on my
trusty old friend Polly who is only 15.2 and now 13 years old.
(Cleveland bay x TB)
We had a lot of fun and last year completed 10 events and came 4
times in the top 10 and the rest in the top 15.
This year I have decided not to Eventing Polly, but just compete
her at local events and also take her cross county schooling. I
know she would love to do Novice, but I don't think it is fair on
her. ( we hope to breed from her next year).
Last July we bought another horse he is now just 5 (Irish Draft X
TB)
he is 16.2 and we have called him Alfi (we are still looking for
a register name for him any suggestions would be appreciated).
If his training goes well I hope to Pre Novice end of the year.
Anyone who has done Eventing will find it totally addictive.
There is a lot of hard work in getting them fit. May I say to
anyone thinking about Eventing don't be put off by thinking you
or your horse is not good enough, just prove yourself wrong.
Most people are put off by the cross country phase but there is
no disgrace in doing the fist few jumps then retiring. The fun of
Eventing is building up the experience and mileage. On my 1st
cross country I ended up with 110 penalties but I did get round.
You can't explain to people the feeling you get when you finish
your cross country with no penalties or you win your 1st rosette,
all the effort is worth it.
Always remember in Eventing the 2nd most important person after
the horse is the groom how could we Event without them. Many
thanks to my wife.
Araz
( May all your penalties bet low ones.)
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1898.41 | re: note 1898.39 | CURIE::CSLINN | | Mon Oct 03 1994 15:17 | 8 |
| Hi Shawn! How did you wife do?! Frank Perla had a few of his
folks there, and I guess things went ok! I heard it was a wonderful
show!!
I would have loved to have gone (and to meet you and Christine) but...
I was designated barn manager for the weekend! (not that I minded!)
Caroline
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1898.42 | Ledyard- results | LUDWIG::SSHEA | | Tue Oct 04 1994 13:14 | 46 |
| Caroline,
Thanks for asking how Christine did. Two thirds of the show went
great, then came Stadium on Sunday. Friday was dressage or as Brian
O'Connor the announcer put it "The Dressage Mud Bog Championships".
Friday we got 5 inches of rain and it was absolutely miserable.
Everyone did compete and survived, although I bet a few shoes got
sucked off in the mud. The stabling area was flooding, people were
making trenches around their stalls to keep the water out and some even
had to get moved to the Myopia stables. Christine though had a nice
test and was in 7th at that point.
Saturday the weather was better and the footing for XC wasn't too bad.
For Prelim they removed 3 of the fences due to footing but the rest of
the course rode fine. Christine had a great ride, went clean but did pick
up 3.2 time penalties which she didn't care about, better slow and safe
than fast with a slip. That moved her up to 5th.
Sunday the weather again was pretty nice, a little cloudy and cool but not
bad. The stadium course seemed to ride either pretty well or not good at
all, there wasn't much in between. Well, Christine pulled 4 rails which
dropped her to 13th. She felt bad but I told her to check out the
competition she was against... Mike Plumb (7 time Olympian) came in first
and second, his son Charlie came in 6th, and the rest of the front runners
were mostly Professionals also. Of the Amateur riders in her division I
would guess she was 4th. I thought she did great, but then again I'm
biased!
Up next for her is UNH this weekend. It is her last event for her horse
this year. She just started eventing my daughters horse to get him some
experience. She took him to Pembury House in August, then Stoneleigh
Burnham this past Sunday. She will also be taking him to U Mass on Oct
15th and 16th. He just turned 5 and had never been away to a
competition until August . We plan on my daughter eventing next year (she
just turned 11) but we need to get her horse some experience first
before I trust her out on XC with him. She rode him at Xenophon in a
small 2 phase show and actually won, she was thrilled. Her horse is
good he's just very young and inexperienced so mom will teach him the
ropes first.
Do you event Caroline? If not do you plan on it? Well Christine placed
3rd at UNH this spring at Preliminary, I'm hoping she does as well this
time.
Take care,
Shawn
|
1898.43 | USCTA Area I Annual Meeting | LUDWIG::SSHEA | | Wed Oct 12 1994 09:20 | 59 |
| The USCTA Area I Annual Meeting is being held at Old Sturbridge Village
Tavern in Sturbridge, Ma on Friday, November 4, 1994. The schedule is
this:
4:30
Nominating Committee Meeting
Open to all!
5:00
Cocktails
Area I Organizers Meeting with Ray Denis
Young Riders parents, coaches meeting with Bobbie Mudge
5:30-6:30
General Meeting
7:00
Dinner...Awards...Auction
Dinner is a Yankee Buffet and costs $27.50.
You can book a room and make a night of it by calling 800-Publick.
This is open to anyone, you do not have to be a USCTA member. It is
a fun time, you get to meet alot of nice people, dinner is always
good, and the auction is fun.
Send Reservations and Ballots to:
Fran Cross
King Oak Farm
Rt. 10, P.O. Box 12
Southampton, MA 01073
d 413-527-4454 n 413-527-7834
Put in your check for however many people and put the names down
also.
BALLOT
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Best Event:_____________________________
Most Valued Volunteer:___________________________________
Area Contribution Award: Vote for the person who has contributed
the most to the sport of eventing in Area I in 1994. Why?
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If you have any questions let me know and I will try to answer them
for you. Hope to see some of you noters there!
Shawn
|
1898.44 | Update from Area I meeting | LUDWIG::SSHEA | | Mon Nov 14 1994 11:27 | 35 |
| <<< The Area I meeting was held at Old Sturbridge Village in
Sturbridge MA >>>
The Area I meeting went rather well this year. There were about 70
people that showed up from Junior riders on up. We gave out somewhere
in the neighborhood of 80 awards from the Novice riders on up to the
Intermediate (no Advanced awards) and those were broken out by
Professionals, Amateurs, and Juniors. Just a quick plug for my wife...
she came in 4th in the Adult Amateur for Preliminary level (way to go
Christine).
Ok, now that I have that out of my system... There was an award given
to the outstanding event of the year and this year it did not go to
King Oak Farm who had won it the past 2 years, but it went to the
Stuart Horse Trials (upstate New York). Stuart by the way will
be holding the East Coast Adult Team Championships next season.
It's a beautiful place and well run for those that haven't been there.
If you only make one long trip to an event this year, save it for
Stuart.
The big news of the meeting was that Ray Dennis was stepping down as
the Area I Chairperson and Hope Greenfield will be taking over.
One thing that Hope brought up at the meeting was that she wanted
the events to promote team competitions. People can make up their
own teams or they will be placed on a team. This is to get people
to meet each other and have good clean competitions. They plan on
doing this at least at Novice and Training levels, and perhaps at
Preliminary.
The results from the awards will be in the next Area I newsletter
as well as the meeting updates.
Shawn
|
1898.45 | The 1995 season! | LUDWIG::SSHEA | | Thu Mar 23 1995 12:16 | 18 |
| Well, the next season of eventing is about to begin. Is there anybody
out there competing this year? If so, why not tell us about yourself
and your horse and what Area or country you will be competing in.
My wife Christine is getting ready for the upcoming season. She will be
riding her mare "Share the Profit" at Preliminary to start off, then
move up to Intermediate later. She will also be bringing along our
daughters horse "Spider" (his real name is Magic's Premier, but we all
call him Spider). He has only been out 2 or 3 times so until he's been
around a few XC courses with an experienced rider I don't want my 11
year old daughter (Erin) out there with him. She has taken him to some
2 phase shows but XC scares me when both horse and rider are rookies.
She plans on going to a full event by the years end.
So let's here from the rest of you out there...
Shawn
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1898.46 | | MTWASH::DOUGLAS | chills, thrills, flying circus! | Mon Apr 03 1995 10:12 | 9 |
| Hi Shawn,
I won't be eventing, but I love to go watch. How can I get
a listing of what shows are where this year? Where do I get
a copy of the upcoming USCTA events? I am interested in VT/NH
area.
Thanks, Tina
|
1898.47 | Area I events for 1995 | LUDWIG::SSHEA | | Wed Apr 05 1995 10:29 | 61 |
| Tina and all,
Here is a calendar of the USCTA Area I events for 1995. This is a tentative
calendar and is subject to change. If anyone needs directions to any of these
events just let me know and I'll post them.
Shawn
1995 USCTA Area I Event Listing
-------------------------------
May
---
6-7 University of New Hampshire (NH)
13-14 King Oak Farm (MA)
27-28 Hitching Post Farm (VT)
June
----
3 Mystic Valley Hunt Club (CT)
3-4 Genesee Valley (NY)
10 Rhine Valley Farm (NY)
10-11 Huntington Farm (VT)
16-18 Groton House Farm I (MA)
23-25 Groton House Farm II (MA)
July
----
7-9 Stoneleigh-Burnham School (MA)
14-16 Huntington Farm (VT)
22-23 Millbrook Equestrian Center (NY)
22-23 Summers Mist Farm (ME)
29-30 Mountain View Farm (NY)
29-30 Stuart (NY)
August
------
4-6 GMHA (VT)
6 Kent School (CT)
12 Taproot Equestrian Centre (VT)
12-13 Chestnut Ridge (NY)
19-20 Snowfields (ME)
25-27 Millbrook Equestrian Center (NY)
26 Pembury House (MA)
September
---------
1-3 Huntington Farm (VT)
9-10 Genesee Valley Hunt (NY)
9-10 King Oak Farm (MA)
16-17 GMHAYC (VT)
24 Cayuga (NY)
30-1 Stoneleigh-Burnham School (MA)
October
-------
7-8 University of New Hampshire (NH)
15 Kent School (CT)
21-22 University of Massachusetts (MA)
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1898.48 | Heading to Stuart? | LUDWIG::SSHEA | | Tue Jul 25 1995 16:55 | 11 |
| Is anyone making the trek to Stuart Horse Trials in Victor, NY this
weekend? We are heading up on Thursday morning since we are 7 hours
away with horse in tow. My wife is riding our daughters horse in his
first Training level event so that should be interesting especially
since Stuart has a fairly tough Cross Country course.
Dressage is on Friday with XC on Saturday and Stadium Sunday. The
facility is very nice and they have tents set up with alot of goodies
being sold for those who like to poke around.
Shawn
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1898.49 | King Oak anyone? | LUDWIG::SSHEA | | Fri Sep 08 1995 11:27 | 18 |
| King Oak Farm (in S. Hampton MA) is having their Fall event this weekend,
is anyone heading there?
My wife Christine is riding my daughters horse there to get him some
experience (going Novice) since my daughter Erin will be going to her
first event at GMHAYC (in S. Woodstock VT) next weekend! Yes, as a
father of an 11 year old I will be petrified when she is out on Cross
Country. The Dressage and Stadium won't bother me, and the XC parts
where I can see her won't be too bad, but when she disappears into the
woods or the next field I will be a mess. She's going Beginner Novice
so I realize things will be low and slow, but I'll still be a wreck.
Let's all wish Simone Cormier (another Hudson employee) good luck as she
heads to King Oak for her first Event!
Let us know if your going there so we can track you down and say hi!
Shawn
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1898.50 | NEWS FLASH: Parent survives daughters XC! | LUDWIG::SSHEA | | Mon Sep 18 1995 16:45 | 23 |
| Proud father note:
I just wanted to let you know that my daughter Erin (age 11) completed
her first Event at GMHA (Green Mountain Horse Association) in Vermont
this weekend. This was a recognized event which she went in at Beginner
Novice Rider. Saturday they did Dressage and Stadium with XC on Sunday.
The weather held out on Sunday after a rainy start so it was just cool
and cloudy when she went out. As I had said in my previous note, I was
a wreck during her XC. I think I need to invest in one of those
camcorders with the built in stabilization unit as I'm sure my hands
were shaking so much it showed it's effect on the video. Anyway, she
made it back safe and sound and was thrilled with herself (she did have
one stop but loved the ride). Her Dressage was good and she had a clean
stadium round so all in all it was a very satisyfing introduction to
the sport for her.
Two weeks from now she will have her second show at Stoneleigh Burnham
School in Greenfield, MA again at Beginner Novice then she will end her
short 1995 season at U Mass (Amherst) at Novice level (they don't hold
Beginner Novice there). I hope I can survive two more outings!
Thanks for lettting me gab about my daughter,
Shawn
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1898.51 | congratulations! | TOLKIN::BENNETT | | Mon Sep 18 1995 17:51 | 6 |
| Congratulations! You have good reason to be proud!!
Enjoy the Stoneleigh/Burnham show -- the show grounds there are
beautiful.
-JB
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1898.52 | This is FUN! | ASDG::CORMIER | | Thu Sep 21 1995 18:14 | 59 |
|
re: .49
Thanks for the encouragement, Shawn!
Here's how our first rated show went (Beg. Novice Horse):
Dressage:
Annie was a little distracted at first and I was pretty nervous, but
our warm-up improved dramatically after a friend asked, "Simone, are
you breathing?" So I attempted to relax and Annie immediately felt
better and started to step up into the bridle.
Then, as we passed the judge on one of our warmup laps before the
whistle was blown, the scribe ripped a piece of paper from her pad
and Annie had a minor breakdown at the sudden noise. So I brought her
back to the box the judge, Marge Kitridge, and her scribe were sitting
in and they were kind enough to talk to Annie and reassured her that
they were harmless.
I though the test was mediocre (I always expect too much). Annie
swapped leads behind in our right lead canter when I tried to straighten
her on the long side. Marge commented that I did the right thing, but
my aids were a little too stong, hence the lead swap behind.
When the scores were posted, I was very pleased to find that we were in
6th place. (When I read my test scores I was psyched to see 7's and
8's!)
X-Country:
Then I blew it in X-Country when Annie dumped me at the second fence
(smallest one on the course...go figure). Annie high-tailed
(literally) it across the main field and luckily let my instructor
catch her. I had a couple more stops the rest of the course, but was
still having such a blast I didn't care.
Stadium:
Great until the last fence, which was on a downhill slant and I
couldn't pick her head up (slightly out of control); we took the whole
thing down.
It may sound like we didn't have the best time out, but considering the
fact that this horse only started jumping in February and spent the two
years before that on her hind legs the majority of the time, she's come
a long way.
Next:
We'll finish out the season at an unrated show in W.Newbury (Pipestave
Hill). I wanted to give her a bit more confidence X-country. I'm
hoping that more trail riding this fall will help her X-country by making
her braver.
Simone
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1898.53 | 1996 show season has begun... | ASDG::CORMIER | | Wed Apr 24 1996 17:48 | 33 |
|
Hi Folks!
Annie and I just finished our first Horse Trials of the year...what a
difference 6 months can make.
We went down to Southern Pines, North Carolina to show at the Longleaf
Pines H.T. It took us 18 hours to get down there and about 15 hours on
the return trip. It was a great experience, but I don't think I'll go
that far, again. Maybe Pennsylvania next year? Who knows.
Anyway, we finished 9th overall and Annie was a star! She warmed up
very well for dressage, but I got nervous right before entering the
arena, which resulted in a mediocre test.
The cross country course was very inviting, but we did have one stop
(my fault again as I was looking down at the fence). Quite a different
story from our cross country round at King Oak (see reply -1) last fall.
We had a clean round in stadium.
I'm so proud of Annie. She really seems to be enjoying herself and
appears to understand exactly what she's supposed to do. I just have
to learn to relax, have fun and enjoy the ride.
One minor nit was that Annie wouldn't stop calling for my instructor's
horse (who she trucked down with). I am assuming this is partly
separation anxiety and partly a mare thing. Has anyone else had this
problem? Do you think she'll settle down as she becomes more experienced?
Simone
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1898.54 | A common problem | DECWET::JDADDAMIO | Jog? No, ever see a jogger smile? | Thu Apr 25 1996 17:51 | 22 |
| Well done!
>One minor nit was that Annie wouldn't stop calling for my instructor's
>horse (who she trucked down with). I am assuming this is partly
>separation anxiety and partly a mare thing. Has anyone else had this
>problem?
Yes, Jan's mare is bad but the gelding is worse! He won't work unless
one of his pals is in sight. Jan's mare will work but occassionally
yells.
My mare could care less. She'll go anywhere , anytime and do anything
you asked. I think she has called to other horses when she's working
*exactly* once in her 22 years on planet earth.
>Do you think she'll settle down as she becomes more experienced?
Doubtful. Ours haven't. The only solution we found was to take one
horse at a time so they were alone on the trip. Then, they're fine.
Hope you have better luck!
|
1898.55 | First show of '96 complete | LUDWIG::SSHEA | | Thu May 16 1996 16:59 | 28 |
| Well, our eventing season began last weekend. My daughter Erin (now 12
years old) competed at King Oak Farm in Southampton, MA on her horse Spider
in the Beginner Novice Rider division. She had a very good dressage test
putting her in 3rd, then had 2 stops on XC but only dropped to 6th since
many other people also had XC problems, then had a clean Stadium round to
finish in 6th and collect her Green Ribbon.
The weather held out right up to the last minute. Just after we loaded
the horse and pulled into the road the rain let loose and poured
non-stop. I'm glad it hadn't started a half hour earlier, it would have
been a mess. I heard that the show there Sunday was pretty messy from
the rain.
Erin loved being the first one in the family out this year as my wife had
sold her horse "Share the Profit" last year and picked up a new one that
she has been training over the winter. He will have his debut in the
eventing world on May 25th at Hitching Post Farm in Vermont. He is a 9 year
old Thoroughbred Gelding. He's a dark Bay and 16.2H. His name is "Miner
Adjustment" (just "Miner" around the barn). I'll have to send out an
update as to his first performance, he may be a complete lunatic or a
well behaved boy, only time will tell. Other events for us will be
Huntington Farm in VT June 8th, then Groton House in MA June 21-23.
Is anybody else other than Simone eventing out there? Anybody going to
watch any of the events in their area? Let us know.
Shawn
|
1898.56 | GPC Schooling show | ASDG::CORMIER | | Tue Jun 04 1996 14:33 | 44 |
|
Re: last reply
Hi Shawn!
Sounds like Erin is enjoying herself and is becoming an accomplished
little rider. How about yourself? When are you going to make the
switch from groom/video recorder to Mr. Eventer?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Annie and I went to a schooling show (3 phase and dressage) at the
Groton Fairgrounds, sponsored by Groton Pony Club, last Sunday. We
rode one practice test (Test 1), which was an abomination to say the
least. The ring was next to the cross country course and Annie was
getting pumped up with horses galloping around right next to us while
we were in the middle of our test. Our second test (the one that
counted for the 3 phase) was in the next ring over and she was much
more obedient and we scored mostly 7's with a couple of 6's. We had
one stop at the ditch cross country (my fault as I took a bad approach)
and we had a great stadium round (nicked one verticle fence because I
leaned at it a bit). We finished 2nd overall. Annie is becoming quite
a jumping machine. She is so much braver than just six months ago and
is actually fun to jump. The funny thing is that most folks say that
flat work helps your jumping. In our case, jumping has helped our flat
work because it seems to relax and balance Annie.
On another note, I spoke with the DC of Groton Pony Club (an old
friend) who was working at the show and she said that they had only 5
members last winter, but were up to @ 20-25 members this spring. I
was shocked! When I was in Groton Pony Club we had 150 members,
easily. Did the stock market crash of the eighties affect that many
horse folks, or was it just that I was in Pony Club at the tail end of
the baby boomer period?
Oh, yeah, I almost forgot... John, I am very happy to say that Annie did
not scream for her friends as much as she did in N.Carolina. She gave
a small whinny back to her pasture mate when we were in our second
test, and only gave one full neigh the whole rest of the time.
Maybe there's hope for her, yet!
Simone
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1898.57 | Congrats... Update... Me? | LUDWIG::SSHEA | | Tue Jun 04 1996 16:58 | 39 |
| Simone,
Glad to hear about the GPC outing, sounds like Annie is progressing
very quickly which I'm sure you like. It sounds as though you'll be
more than ready for Groton House in a few weeks. We will be seeing you
there as Christine will be riding Miner there.
Miner had his Eventing debut May 26th up at Hitching Post Farm in
Vermont. For his first time out he did very well. He had a fairly good
Dressage test to start the day. When he went past the Judge sitting in
the trailer he shyed having never seen anyone in a trailer before. In
fact, he had never seen a Dressage ring before either so it was nice
that he stayed in it for the test! He was in 6th after Dressage. Next
was Cross Country and he was absolutely great. He went over everything
without any problems other than a short look at the water before going
in. There were only 5 clean rounds in her division and she had one of
them. This moved her up to 3rd. Then disaster hit. While warming up for
stadium Miner pulled up and looked lame. I put down the Camcorder to
see what I could help with and we found he had half pulled off a shoe.
The blacksmith had already left for the day so we were running around
trying to find some blacksmith tools to pull the shoe off. By the time
we got it off her division was done but they said she could take a
quick practice jump then do the course. By this time she and Miner had
lost their concentration and flow and ended up with two stops which
Christine said were her fault. She ended up in 11th but was thrilled
with how well Miner behaved and especially how well he did XC. They are
currently on the waiting list for the event at Huntington Farm in
Vermont for this Sunday. After that it's off to Groton House.
Erin did have a good time at King Oak and we just signed her up for
camp at GMHA in August (I think). That should help her out quite a bit
getting the coaching from different people and being able to ride a
couple times a day for a week.
And Simone, as far as me eventing... don't hold your breath.
Besides being too busy with both the kids and the Wife and my own
schedule, at 6'5" 240lbs I don't think there are too many horses out
there that want me on their backs! I'll stick to my Mountain Biking.
Shawn
|
1898.58 | Olympic Selection Trial at GHF | LUDWIG::SSHEA | | Fri Jun 07 1996 14:56 | 41 |
| *** ATTENTION: ATLANTA SELECTION DIVISION ***
If you want to see some of the better riders at one of the nicer places
in Area I then you will want to come to Groton House in Hamilton, MA
June 14, 15, 16. THIS IS A USET SHORTLIST OBSERVATION TRIAL FOR THE
OLYMPICS. They will be running Open Training, Open Preliminary, Open
Intermediate, and Advanced.
If you have never been to Groton House it is a beautiful place and is
always well run. The stabling is on grounds so you can see the horses
that are competing. They have food booths as well as shops set up where
you can buy lots of nice horse stuff. They may charge a small amount
for parking (usually donated to a local charity or animal shelter) but
I would guess that is it ("guess" being the key word there).
Here are directions:
Northbound: Rt. 128 to exit 20N to Rt. 1A for 2.3 miles to Wenham
Center. Left on Arbor St (becomes Highland St). GHF is 3.5 miles on
left.
Southbound: Rt. 95 to exit 54. Left on Rt. 133 East for 3.2 miles
to Rt. 1. Right on Rt. 1 South for 4 miles to traffic light. Left on
Ipswich Rd for 2.5 miles. Right on Willowdale Rd (becomes Winthrop St)
to end. Left on Highland St for 1/2 mile to GHF. Driveway on left.
Time Schedule:
Friday: Dressage, 8 am start
Saturday: Cross Country, 8 am start
Sunday: Show Jumping, 9 am start
We will be there on Saturday for the XC but that will probably be it
since Christine will be competing there (as will Simone) the following
week. Let's hope for nice weather and some exciting rounds.
Shawn
|
1898.59 | Pembury House Horse Trials- this weekend! | LUDWIG::SSHEA | | Tue Aug 27 1996 12:46 | 50 |
| My wife Christine and my daughter Erin will both be competing this Saturday
at Pembury House Horse Trials (Sutton, MA). Listed below are their times and
directions to Pembury. I have volunteered to be the timer for Cross Country
both days so if you make it to the show stop by and say hi (I'll be the 6'5"
guy with the Goatee- kinda hard to miss me).
This is my daughters first Novice level event. She has 2 or 3 Beginner Novice
levels under her belt, but this will be new to her. "Miner" is seeing only his
3rd Training level event after only 3 Novice level events since coming off the
race track about a year and a half ago.
It's a fairly new event but a fun one, so stop by and cheer everybody on.
Shawn
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Pembury Horse Trials times: Saturday, August 31st and Sunday, September 1st
Training Level (Saturday)
--------------
Miner Adjustment (Christine)
Dressage: 10:36 XC: 12:09
Novice Level (Saturday)
------------
Magics Premier (Erin)
Dressage: 1:06 XC: 2:33
Directions: From Ma Pike: Exit 10 to Rt 395 south to Oxford/Webster. Exit
4A to Sutton Ave. 4 miles to left on West Sutton Rd. and immediate right on
Boston Rd. Farm 1 mile on left.
From Rt 395 North: Exit 4A, as above.
From Rt 495 South: Take Worcester exit to Rt 290 which becomes Rt 395 at
Auburn, then as above.
From Rt 146 North: Left on Boston Rd. at Sutton Sq. Lights. Thru center
(schools on left). Farm 1/2 mile on right.
From Rt. 146 South: Right on Boston Rd. at Sutton Sq. lights, then as
above.
|
1898.60 | anyone going to ... | LEVADE::DAVIDSON | | Thu Sep 12 1996 13:40 | 5 |
|
Is anyone else going to Flora Lea HT (Area II) this weekend? Widge & I
will be competing on Sunday...
-Caroline
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1898.61 | Flora Lea | LUDWIG::SSHEA | | Thu Sep 12 1996 14:12 | 20 |
| Caroline,
I'm not heading down to Flora Lea but good luck there. Some friends
of ours went down there last year and liked it.
How did things go for you at King Oak this past weekend? I saw your
name on the scoreboard but didn't see you around while you had a number
on so I would know it's you. The weather wasn't too bad on Sunday when
compared to Saturday, but the footing was pretty bad in spots.
My wife Christine on "Miner Adjustment" came in 7th in one of the
Training levels. She's done for the season and expects to do a couple
Training events next year then move up to Preliminary. The new guy
needs to work on his dressage and needs to get used to the activity
around an event and he'll be fine. My daughter is planning on going to
Stoneleigh in a few weeks or UMass at the end of October for her last
show of the year.
Let us know how things go at Flora Lea!
Shawn
|
1898.62 | What about us in the rain forest? | DECWET::JDADDAMIO | Think softly | Thu Sep 12 1996 14:41 | 23 |
| Hey, I have a question for you eventer folks. I've heard several times
about events having to have the endurance phase modified when the
temperature and humidity add up to more than 150. I can see why that
would work for hot climates like Barcelona and Atlanta but consider
us in the rainy parts of the world.
For example, yesterday morning it wasn't even raining but, according to
the local TV station, the humdity was 99% to 100% and the temperature
was in the mid 50's (55-57) all over the region. That addds up to a
minimum of 154 points.
Similarly, in summer, our high temperatures are in the upper 70's or
maybe low 80's (We start whining about the heat when it breaks 80! ;-)
Humidity is typically in the mid to upper 70% range.
To me, these seem like ideal conditions to work a horse (especially
early on a summer morning when the temps are below 60). But, If I
understand the 150 thing correctly, we'd have to shorten the endurance
phase of events *most* of the time even in our mild climate.
Can anybody explain this idea?
|
1898.63 | we had fun! | LEVADE::DAVIDSON | | Thu Sep 12 1996 14:43 | 37 |
|
> How did things go for you at King Oak this past weekend?
We went clean and faster than usual (time penalties R us!). Widge took
very good care of me (I was allowed to steer)... straight through the
road crossing, never came close to the "Prudential", did the corner option,
and bounced down the steps! (last year we did training there and Widge
_walked_ down the double steps) Her only hairy moment was when she
considered banking the steeplechase fence with her hind legs -- I saw 3
people fall at that fence before our ride, and one of those the horses
hooked its hind legs and twisted. YUCK! My hairy moment was when I
neglected to lean back over the first part of the coffin... we did the
ditch w/me on Widge's neck -- what a good horse! ;-)
> footing
Was great on the xc course! I found the footing in the dressage ring, xc
warmup, and the stadium course pretty bad.
> My wife Christine on "Miner Adjustment" came in 7th in one of the
Super!
> move up to Preliminary.
Pick your move-up wisely! (Sounds like Christine has seen most of
Area I) I asked about all the xc problems and was told that many folks
see King Oak as a good 'move up P'... I disagree. Spring Huntington xc is
forgiving (its stadium is something else). As is Hitchingpost. This fall's
GMHAYC (this weekend) has a P division, which is suppose to be a 'move up'.
-Caroline
|
1898.64 | Endurance limits? | LUDWIG::SSHEA | | Thu Sep 12 1996 16:03 | 17 |
| re-62
John,
I don't know about the "150" being a limit or not. I am only
familiar with Horse Trials and not 3 day events which have the roads
and tracks and such. At horse trials I know the Cross Country phase can
be modified by the TD and ground jury if they feel there is anything
that might put horse or rider at risk which includes hot weather, heavy
rain, poor footing, etc. They may allow a longer optimum time, they may
remove certain fences from the course, and they may even cancel it
completely. My wife has ridden in all three of those options over the
years. They are very good about watching out for the well being of the
horse and rider but as far as the specifics of the combined temp and
humidity I can't say. I will try to ask some of the folks I see around
to see if they know.
Shawn
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1898.65 | Test needed | PASTA::PIERCE | The Truth is Out There | Thu Apr 17 1997 14:44 | 5 |
|
I was told the the USCTA has new novie test for combined training.
Does anyone have a copy of the test?
Louisa
|