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1722.1 | Not much! | DECWET::JDADDAMIO | When in doubt, cop out! | Tue Mar 30 1993 14:31 | 14 |
| Ellie,
I'm flattered but your faith is slightly misplaced. About all I know of
Saumur's history is that it was founded as a Cavalry School in (I think)
the early 1800's. I have a vague recollection of it being during
Napoleon's reign but it may have been founded after the restoration.
I don't know whether it's still true or not but, up until the 60's,
Saumur was still in business as a training center for riding
instructors, especially army officers. Lots of Spanish and Portugese
riders trained at Saumur.
Sorry but that's about all I know. How about a report when you get back?
I'd like to hear what you thought of the place and performance.
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1722.2 | More details | DECWET::JDADDAMIO | When in doubt, cop out! | Wed Mar 31 1993 21:44 | 48 |
| I've been reading Hilda Nelson's book on Baucher(off and on for 3
months!) and looked up Saumur in the index. I serendipitously found,
while looking for an old article on Piber for a friend, an article in
a 1983 Dressge & CT on the Cadre Noir(Black Squadron) which is the
performing group. I'll mash the two sources together in this note.
The Ecole de Cavalerie du Saumur (Cavalary School) was originally founded
in either 1763 or 1785. My sources disagree on the date. It was originally
a school for cavalry NCOs who would be troop instructors and cavalry
officers.
The Ecole de Versailles was the site of the dressage or academic style
riding of the era. Both were "royal" and therefore closed after the
1789 Revolution. That was the connection with Napoleon.
After the Bourbon restoration in 1814, Ecole de Versailles and Saumur
were reestablished. Versailles closed for good in 1830. Saumur became
the Ecole d'Instruction des troupes a cheval(School of instruction for
mounted troops). It had two divisions: one for military instructors who
wore blue uniforms and another for instructing civilians who wore black
uniforms. The latter became known as the Cadre Noir.
In the 1850's, the Euyer en chef du Saumur(Head trainer at Saumur aka
"The Head Honcho" ;-) oriented the training toward eqestrian sport
based on a foundation of dressage. The Cadre Noir has had a dual
character ever since. This particular Head Honcho set up an obstacle
course in the countryside around Saumur(the Chemin Vert) which was the
forerunner of today's cross-country competitions. France held the first
Combined Training event(then known as a Military Competition) in 1902.
After WWII, armies became totally mechanized. The cavalry school became
the Aromored Corps School but the 24 member Cadre Noir was retained as
instructors in equestrian art to the military and civilian riding
clubs.
In 1969, the government separated the Cadre Noir from the school and
the military. The Cadre Noir is now part of the National Institute of
Equitation. That institute is responsible for coordinating riding in
France. The other half of the institute is the Federation Francaise de
Societe Equestre(French Federation of Riding Clubs is a loose
translation of that title)
Two riders well known to Americans were Cadre Noir members: Jack Le
Goff who was the USET Combined Training coach for years and Pierre
Durand who rode Japaloup in the Olympics(among other places). In fact,
Durand was Lt Col Pierre Durand, Ecuyer en Chef du Cadre Noir(Head
Honcho of the Black Squadron...sorry I couldn't resist ;-), in 1983
when the Dressage & CT article was written.
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1722.3 | | INGOT::ROBERTS | | Thu Apr 01 1993 09:59 | 8 |
| Thanks, John; I *knew* you'd know more than the average "tour guide"!
My friend whom we're visiting in France has not been to Saumur,
although her family is quite into horses. They raise Selle Francaise
horses (among other things) on their farm in Normandy, and my friend's
jumper made it to the national competition in Fountainbleu last season.
I'll do a trip report, of course. 8^}
-ellie
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1722.4 | I'm turning green again... | CARTUN::MISTOVICH | depraved soul | Thu Apr 01 1993 12:54 | 1 |
| Have fun Ellie!
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1722.5 | That reminds me | DECWET::JDADDAMIO | When in doubt, cop out! | Thu Apr 01 1993 14:26 | 13 |
| Yes, do have fun!
Your mention of Selle Francais reminded me that one of the differences
between the Spanish Riding School and Cadre Noir is that the Cadre Noir
works with various breeds(TB, Anglo-Arab and Selle Francais among
others). The SRS uses only Lipizanner bred at their own stud. The SRS
horses, therefore, are quite similar in size, structure and
temperament. The CN's horses come from farms all over France and vary
in size structure and temperament.
Of course, the biggest difference between the two "schools" is that the
SRS is interested solely in academic dressage and the CN can and do work
in sports other than straight dressage.
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1722.6 | Those "crottins"! | INGOT::ROBERTS | | Thu Apr 01 1993 14:57 | 10 |
| Yes, I'm looking forward to this visit a lot! I read something really
funny in a guide book, too. Seems that the horses are, naturally, an
attraction in the town, and lots of other things in the town are
related in some way to them. For one, the town of Saumur is the
largest supplier of mushrooms in France. They are grown in huge
natural caves in, you guessed it, horse manure. Seems there is also a
local chocolate specialty called "crottins de cheval" which translates
to -- you guessed it again -- horse "buns". 8^)
-e
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1722.7 | Trip Report -- Short Form | INGOT::ROBERTS | | Fri May 14 1993 13:51 | 30 |
| Well, we did get to go there, but unfortunately the Cadre Noir was not
in residence, since they were at some jumping competition in the town
we had just left the day before! But the tour of the barns was quite
interesting, and we got to see many of the resident riders working with
their horses in the *huge* indoor arena (I think there was mention that
it is the largest in Europe -- but my French isn't perfect, so I might
be mistaken in that). I was impressed, though, with the general air of
calmness and quietness in every rider we saw working. And the same was
true of the horses we "visited" in their stalls. They were like big
puppy dogs, letting little kids pat them and play with their ears,
whatever. Most of them are Selle Francais, and some are French
Thoroughbreds.
Before going to Saumur, we had stayed a few days in Normandy, which is
actually the center of horse breeding in France. My friend took me to
visit the stud at St. Lo, which is the home of the Selle Francais
breed. What a place! This is a palace that happens to have horses as
residents, in my estimation. Beautiful sandstone buildings, in
perfectly manicured grounds. I liked this better than the chateaux we
went to see! We were there at feeding time, and one of the fellows
talked with us for quite some time about what the different horses got
and why, etc. Most of them get Omolene -- it's from Purina, but it's
a different mixture than what Purina calls Omolene here. And French
oats are black! There were also a lot of mares in to be bred, and most
had foals at foot. I love seeing those little critters!
Here again, the whole air about the stable was one of calm, happy
horses. I'd love to go back and spend some more time there.
-ellie
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1722.8 | L'Ecole Nationale d'Equitation, France | MUKTI::RANCOURT | | Mon Apr 04 1994 13:41 | 26 |
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Il y a vingt ans depuis que j'ai ecrit en francais. Alors,
pardonnez moi en avance pour les erreurs (on me dit c'est comme
l'equitation...on n'oublie jamais, et ca reviens avec vitesse
lorsqu'on recommence).
Je vais passe les deux premieres semaines de Mai en vacances en
France. J'aimera bien passe un jour a L'Ecole Nationale
D'Equitation en Saumur. Si c'est possible, j'aimera visiter
pendant une reprise. Je me demande s'il y a un noter de France
ici que peut me passer de l'information sur les reprises?
S'il vous plait, si vous connaissez l'Ecole et pouvez m'offrir
l'information sur les reprises, ecrivez moi a:
Babagi::rancourt
Merci Beaucoup
Charlotte
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