Conference noted::equitation

    I can't find a better place for this question so I'll put it here.
    The last I heard our moderators were Pat Leech and Ed Fultz. 
    
    Pat got laid off 2 purges ago. Since there were no announcements about
    Pat being replaced after she left, I assume that left just Ed. But, 
    according to a note in CANINE, Ed got laid off last Friday.
    
    So, who the heck's got mod privs around here? And how come there wasn't
    any announcement that Ed was leaving? 

    I wondered that too, since I heard that Ed was TFSO'd.  
    
    Donna, are you the mod now?
    
    -ellie

    
    	Shouldn't there be more than one person with Mod Privs?? And
    	how come there's no NOTED::SYSTEM access?? What happens if
    	the node crashes and system support can't even access this
    	notesfile?? 
    
    	

    If you do SHOW MOD, Ed is still listed as the only moderator. That DOES pose
    a problem if he has left, as he would be the only one with the
    priviledges to add a new moderator. I was surprised to see Kiirja not
    listed....has she gone, too? I would be willing to take it back with a
    co-moderator, I didn't mind doing it before but I do not have the time
    to be the sole mod, and as Sherry said, there should be more than one
    at all times.
    
    -Linda
    

    Well, I contacted the NOTED system manager and have been reistated
    with moderator privileges for now, to keep it going, I was told that
    if no one took it on shortly it would shut down. 
    
    I will continue with it until someone else either volunteers to do it
    or tells me they do not wish me to do so. If anyone is interested in
    co-moderating, please contact me off-line, it is not a good idea to
    have only one around, as I am very busy and frequently offsite and
    unable to access the files.
    
    -Linda
    

    
    
    
    ************Please move this note to the Moderators NEWS********
    
    
    	I unable to answer that note.. 
    
    
    
    I have been out for the last two weeks and I have been unable
    to tell everyone that Ed has been TFSO'd.
    
    He didn't get a chance to tell everyone how much information
    he had obtained from this conference.  
    
    If anyone, needs to get in touch with him, please send me mail
    at Brat::fultz, and I will make sure that he get's it..
    
    Best of luck to the new moderators.. 
    
    	Donna 

 I would like to thank all the people who sent me messages of support
 and agreement after reading my note 7.5 regarding the moderation of 
 this notes file. 

 Thank you, friends!

        <<< Note 7.11 by XLIB::PAANANEN "Another Warp Speed Weekend" >>>

    I would like to clear up some mis-conceptions.

    1) I did not set Topic Three to be No Write, it was already that
       way when I was made moderator and had returned from vacation
       two days ago.

    2) I had many conversations with Ed Fultz, and he knew very well
       how I (and others) felt about how he was handling the file.

    3) Any notes we posted that made those feelings public here in the
       notes file were deleted.

    4) You never asked for an any answers in your very angry mail 
       message to me, so I did not feel it required any answer.    
       Furthermore your statement to me 

        "Be careful of what you say in the notes files since, you are now
        co moderator - YOU will have to keep you YOUR opinions out of it.."

 	is out of line.

   
	RE: <<< Note 7.12 by BRAT::FULTZ "DONNA FULTZ" >>>
    
>    Thank you deleting the note..  Could you please delete the notes
>    in notes 7.* also.. and I will stay out of giving my personal
>    opinions.. 
 
	I did not delete any notes. I moved several notes in order 
	that you could post some replies, since you were so upset
	about not being able to reply to topic 3.
   
	You are free to delete your own notes.
	Each noter is able to delete their own notes unless they 
	have changed nodes.

    Is there a way to make note 4.* always 'seen' ?  I use it myself when
    necessary but otherwise it's a bit of a pain.

    I use a 'generic' com file to mail me all updates in NOTES/CLASS=VAX_NOTES
    so I don't want to ad a 'bypass note # 4'.

    Also we'd save the company tons of computing resources by not mailing
    that large note around....

    Maybe always send just 4.0 to remind us where the info is.

    Bill

    Can someone tell me what happened to the notes 150.44,45,46?  When you
    try to look at those horses for sale it brings you to note 150.43...
    
    Thanks,
    
    Lorna
    

  The last reply is .47 and the replies are chronologically correct
  so I think that for some reason the last reply was numbered .47 instead
  of .44 as it should have been. I don't think there are any replies 
  missing. If you recently posted a horse for sale, then check the 
  replies to 150. 
    

    Has anyone else noticed lately that 'seen' notes regularly pop back
    into 'unseen'?  There are some notes here I've seen as many as five
    times before they finally decide they've been seen, sometimes a whole
    weeks worth will pop back into unseen.  Is it just me?
    Sharon

    The same thing has been happening to me.  Does it have something to do
    with the Server 2/6 line that sometimes comes on the screen?

    me too.
    
                                amy
    

    Me four. I sent Kiirja mail with a question about it but she's in a
    training class and won't be back till Tues. Seems like it happens most
    when a new note is entered while I'm reading.

    Ditto.  For me, if I'm not watching the reply count closely enough
    and I hit return until I get the message "No more replies", then
    seen messages for the past few days become unseen.
    
    Carl

I'll look into it when I get back on Tues.

Kiirja

 After some research I'm still not sure why the
 problem exists, but as a workaround please type
 SET SEEN 
 before you exit notes each time.
 Maybe that will help.

 For some reason the seen map isn't getting 
 incremented as we read.

 Things we need to find out from someone on DELNI are:
 Was the notes file moved recently?
  (possible unseen map corruption)
 Has the system time been changed?  

    I have a mail message into the system management folks
    trying to resolve the problem.
    
    Thanks for your patience.
    
    Vicky

You may or may not still be seeing the UNSEEN map
problems. You may or may not also see "File Not Found" 
errors.

Over the next couple of days access time is expected to
get worse for a short period of time while the disk is
being rebuilt.

Short Explanation: It is a software bug with NOTES.
Best advice is to keep trying if you get "File Not Found".
The UNSEEN map problem should go away.

Long Explanation: NOTED:: is actually a cluster of
three nodes. One of the nodes is an ALPHA machine. The
ALPHA (basically unreleased) NOTES software has a bug
with the unseen map. That bug has been fixed and the
patch applied. However, the system manager wants to
rebuild the system disk to be safe. While the system
disk is being rebuilt, access will be through the VAX
machines and hence much slower.

The "File Not Found" error is a new bug and being looked at
by the NOTES developers.

Thanks for your patience.

Vicky

    I spoke to one of the Paananen's about this back with note 7.14
    She like'd it, would think about it, and left DEC the next week.

    Is there a way to make note 4.* always 'seen' ?  I use it myself when
    necessary but otherwise it's a bit of a pain.

    I use a 'generic' com file to mail me all updates in NOTES/CLASS=VAX_NOTES
    so I don't want to ad a 'bypass note # 4'.

    Also we'd save the company tons of computing resources by not mailing
    that large note around....

    Maybe always send just 4.0 to remind us where the info is.

    I found two possibilities since I entered 7.14.

    From: NOTED::DISK$NOTES10:[NOTES$LIBRARY_10OF4]IBMPC-93.NOTE;1

    >>They will be updated periodically (more or less regularly) using the PAN
    >>utility (SET NOTE/CONTENTS) to avoid you from experiencing the hassle of
    >>unnecessary, long unseen replies.

    Now I have not clue what PAN is this sounds like it would do the job.

    and also: MORTAL::$1$DIA1:[NOTES$LIBRARY]IBMPC_SHAREWARE.NOTE;3
>>=============================================================================
>>Note 3.1                  Tips on Searching Conferences                1 of 2
>>CHIRPA::LIN "Bill Lin -- dtn 293-5941"            13 lines   8-JUN-1993 08:55
>>                -< tarkin::acad77:[lin.public]shareware.dirlis >-
>>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Exporting the dir listing to a file in a public directory (like
    EASYNOTES.LIS) with note 4.0 giving the location and directions.

    Adding another 2 cents.
    Bill

Bill,

Thanks for doing the research on this. I wouldn't have had 
the time.

The mods will talk it over and see if what seems reasonable
as far as work. 

It is my understanding that the "seen" and "unseen" are controlled by
the individual Notes Notebooks. That is why this is not an easy
solution.

Vicky
co-mod

    Isn't there a notes conference on notes ?  I'd think a request
    asking other moderators...someone's probably already figured
    it out.  Iv'e seen a few different solutions in other notes files.


    

    
    There is a conference on notes.  It's on OASS::VAXNOTES_INTRO
    But, I belive it is an individual command you invoke in your
    note book.
    
    Lou

    You may have noticed that Note 4(the Topics Index) has been behaving
    strangely lately...but then again you may not...
    
    Anyway, the batch jobs that creates the index have been having troubles
    completing in recent weeks. The reason seems to be that NOTED has
    network loading(actually, over-loading!) problems and disconnects
    before the first batch job completes. That results in lots of empty
    topic indexes which the second batch jobs puts in Note 4....
    
    I'm working on a solution but in the meanwhile I'm just rerunning the 
    job when I catch the failure
    
    Yes, we're still looking into the alternatives for an on-line index..

Hi Gang,

In the year or so that I've been one of the mods here, I was repeatedly 
finding that topics I *knew* were in the conference were being started over.
But, when I looked for the notes in the topics index, I couldn't find them.
For example, someone wanted info about the French Cavalry School at Saumur 
and started a new topic to request info. I knew that Ellie Roberts had gone
there the year before and that there was already a topic...but I couldn't 
find it in the index because the note had no keywords assigned to it. 

This happened several times before I caught on. I'm a little slow 
sometimes! ;-) Duh, dere mus be *lotsa*  notes wid no keywords. Gee, 
no wunner we can't fine nuttin.

So, for the past few weeks, I've been going through the conference searching
out notes with no keywords. I got done yesterday and added keywords to most
of those notes that had none and added appropriate keywords to many other 
notes. In that process, I also created a few new keywords that were necessary.
Those new keywords and the "missing" notes should appear in next week's topics
index(Note 4). Of course, you can do DIR/KEY=FUNGUS (for example) if you just
can't wait till Monday. ;-)

The keywords I created are:

BARREL_RACING 
DIRECTIONS - Directions to shows, equestrian centers, farms, etc
FIRST_AID 
FUNGUS 
HOLIDAYS - In the American sense of a day on which custom or law requires 
	   cessation of general business rather than the British of vacation.
KIDS_&_HORSES 
MASSAGE 
MUSIC_&_RIDING 
NAMES -	Help with naming farms, horses, etc(even your kids if you want)
POLE_BENDING
RIDING_TIME - A couple discussions of fitting riding time into one's life
TEAM_PENNING 


I doubt that I've got everything that goes in those categories tagged with 
the keyword. So, if you find a note that you think should have one of those
or any other keyword on it, please send mail.

Thanks
John

    Hi gang,
    
    The 'dressage' topic (10.*) is getting excessively large and the mods
    have agreed that the time has come to begin anew!  Effective today,
    topic 10 will be write-locked and topic 11 will be used as a
    continuation.  Please carry on with discussions as you were in 10.*.
    
    If you have any questions/concerns, please feel free to contact one
    us the mods (myself, Vicki, or John).
    
    Regards,
    
    Linda
    

    Re Dressage Topic
    
    You can also express your opinions here...as I am about to do...
    
    I don't see the advantage of this action. If Note 10 is too bulky to
    search people will simply repost questions that have previously been
    discussed. What's the diff whether they repeat questions in Note 10 or
    Note 11? If people are inclined to search for a previous discussion,
    why make them search 2 topics?...
    
    I don't necessarily dissent from the other mods. I just don't see any
    advantage to doing this. If you have an opinion please express it.
    
    John

�    <<< Note 7.34 by DECWET::JDADDAMIO "Seattle:Life in the espressolane" >>>
�                                 -< Speak up! >-

�    I don't necessarily dissent from the other mods. I just don't see any
�    advantage to doing this. If you have an opinion please express it.
    
You've got my vote - if the split was to break out topics, that might be 
different but just for "size" doesn't make sense to me.  

This goes along with the folks that WRITE because they're afraid their 
REPLY won't be seen :)

    I'm another who would prefer to see things in one place.
    Rather than run the risk of splitting opinions, could we not compromise ?  
    Continue to discuss those 'sub-topics' already entered in 100 and 
    start new ones in note 11.00.
    
    Judy

    
    I also would like only 1 topic.  It shouldn't matter if note 10 is
    1000 replies for 1 reply.  Lets keep things in once place please.
    
    Louisa

    Some folk may not know that you can search an individual note and its
    replies for a title, author, etc:. Unless someone undertakes to split
    up the dressage note 10 into separate sub-categories, it won't help
    much to find information to start another general dressage note.
    
    For example:
    
    Notes> Dir/Title="collection" 10.*
    
    gets you:
    
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                             Equine Notes Conference
Created: 11-FEB-1986 15:20         1980 topics        Updated: 28-JUN-1995 13:05
      -< Topics List=4, Horses 4Sale/Wanted=150, Equip 4Sale/Wanted=151 >-
 Topic  Author               Date         Repl  Title
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
        DECWET::JDADDAMIO    12-APR-1992   10.673  More on FEI level collection
    

Re 7.38 
    "Some folk may not know that you can search an individual note and its
    replies for a title, author, etc:.
    For example:

    Notes> Dir/Title="collection" 10.* "

Yes, but that's fairly ineffective because many of us don't put
descriptive titles on our notes. For example, I am particularly 
guilty of this. I frequently type "ex" when prompted for a title 
out of habit from using EDIT in VMS mail so much(The way I have my
mail parameters set up, I have to type "ex" to finish the message).
I've also been known to put what I think are "witty" titles on 
notes.

One can use the SEARCH command to find all mentions of a string:

SEARCH/NOTE=10.* "collection"

This, however, can be tedious....


Re 7.35

"if the split was to break out topics, that might be different but 
just for "size" doesn't make sense to me."

7.38 "Unless someone undertakes to split 
    up the dressage note 10 into separate sub-categories, it won't help
    much to find information to start another general dressage note."

Kiirja and I suggested splitting the dressage topic into subtopics a 
couple years ago. There were 2 problems:

	1. People didn't want to have to decide which was the 
	   appropriate dressage sub-topic/note for a question
	2. Many existing replies actually discuss several different 
	   topics.


7.36 Compromise ?

The only thing I can think of which would keep the dressage discussion in 
one note *and* make it easy to locate past discussions is this:

	1. Make up new keywords(e.g. COLLECTION, SHOULDER_IN, etc)
		Maybe DRESSAGE_COLLECTION so you can do a SHOW KEYWORDS 
		and find all the dressage related keywords together?
	2. Add all appropriate keywords to each reply in Note 10
	3. Modify the monthly topic index update to produce topic 
	   listings for keywords on replies in Note 10. Currently, 
	   it only looks at keywords on base notes...

If we do that, people could use a command like:

DIR/KEYWORD=DRESSAGE_COLLECTION 10.* 

to find all replies in Note 10 which talk about collection.

However, this would require a *lot* of time to read each reply and 
add appropriate keywords. Unfortunately, I think most of the work 
would have to be done by the mods because many of the people have 
changed email addresses(which means they can't modify their own 
notes) or have left the company. I'd be glad to make up the keywords but 
reading 1150 notes is going to take a lot of time that I don't 
really have right now.

John

Note 10.* has been write enabled again.

Vicky