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1440.1 | | VMSSPT::PAANANEN | | Fri Mar 29 1991 10:33 | 13 |
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The stable license now required in Sterling was precipitated
because one person in town refused to provide shelter for their
horses and did keep good fences and the horses were walking all
over the neighbors yards all the time. Eventually the neighbors
took the town to court and cost the town a lot of money.
This was the justification given for introduction of the licensing.
I have since talked with residents of other local towns and most
of them have been required to get stable licenses for many years.
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1440.2 | It's a form of tax, IMHO..... | BOOVX1::MANDILE | | Fri Mar 29 1991 13:59 | 2 |
| My town has them.....since we are big farm country, this
generates a few bucks for the town.
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1440.3 | Southboro, Mass. has permits too!!!!! | LUDWIG::ROCK | | Mon Apr 01 1991 12:36 | 19 |
| SOUTHBORO has the stable licenses too. Although they were not inforced
in the past but because one man...the town is now sending out the forms
to the horse owners in towm. Of course they are not going to make a big
issue over it I do not believe. Alot of the owners that have that one
horse in the back yard...have had these animals for years and no
complaints from the neighbors as yet. The town has only just done this
due to the fact that one man at the Marlboro Equestrian Ctr. hates
these two stable owners in our town and wants to shut them down. They
are both licensed stables already and teach lessons on their property.
Maybe he wants their business. Any ways he even called the MSPCA in
on them...You should see the horses at these two places they are all
very fat and happy. The animal inspector in town does inspect all the
livestock...horses,sheep, cattle, pigs, etc and says all the animals in
town are all healthy and housed well.
Oh well....it only takes one bad apple to make it hard for the other
poor folks out there.
tr
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1440.4 | Fee to the town | FLYWAY::ZAHNDR | | Fri Apr 05 1991 06:54 | 3 |
| We paid the town of Littleton a yearly fee for at least 10 years, while
we owned a pony or a horse. It was not terribly high. You could not
even go out to dinner.
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1440.5 | Horses are taxed, like sheep,cow etc. | CSCMA::SMITH | | Fri Apr 05 1991 11:00 | 32 |
| Horses are taxed in most towns, so are sheep, goats, cows etc. This
thing in Sterling is a permit (permission) to buy a horse. According
to the pedlar they come out and inspect your premises. Licensing
a stable is one thing, it is a business and serves the public much
like a kennel license or a milk license. A single horse is more
of a pet situation.
My feelings are that innocent people are often hurt by ignorance
and power mongers. Politics and 'who you know' always enter the
picture. This may never happen here but if it gets spread to all
towns it WILL happen. The neighbor next door doesn't want you to
get that horse and is friends with the inspector, the rules are
applied for some and bent for others. I know, my husband and I just
built a house and who you make friends and who you tick off can mean
many $$$$ and time. Luckily we saw this, but our friends who were
also building did not. Our house is done, theirs is just started.
Ignorance is another factor.
Remember that questions 2 on the ballot a couple years back? The
sheep farmers said if they ever had to enact the rules as they were
stated they would have lost half of their spring lambs to pneumonia
(separate stalls inclosed and heated) Someone just this fall was
SHOCKED that my barn wasn't heated, 'The POOR animal!'
And whose to say what type of fencing you should have or barn flooring
or how much acreage per horse or if your allowed to keep the hay
in the same barn as the animals? Even within the notes file the
opinions are strong and sometimes opposite, when you get 'non' horse
people involved the potential is there for real problems. I'm not
sure that the benefits outweigh the this. Whose to say after a
permit is obtained that someone isn't going to starve or beat the
horse anyway? Is someone going to check it every week?
Try as we might we can't eliminate all abuse, of horses, children,
dogs, etc. We could make rules til we're blue in the face.
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1440.6 | | VMSSPT::PAANANEN | | Fri Apr 05 1991 12:13 | 32 |
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Horses are taxed as personal property in Sterling. In addition
to that, they propose to charge the keeper of the horse (not
always same as the owner) $1 per horse fee on top of the stable
inspection fee**. They will not inspect the horse's health in
any way. The persons doing the inspecting will not be veterinary
health people or even professional horse people. Mainly they are
inspecting for adherence to building and environmental codes.
It is not permission to buy a horse, but permission to keep
a horse on your property that they are licensing.
I am told that ten years ago, there used to be a one-time inspection
and lifetime license for $10, and that it did not need to be renewed.
This inspection (if you had it) is no longer valid.
Property owners will be required to go to the BOH for a variance
if their property does not meet the requirements. This means nearly
every one in town (including 100+ year old farms) will be getting
a variance from the BOH every year, because so few meet the new
requirements.
**The fees for the stable license were revoked at a hearing with
the Board of Health that was attended by over 25 horse-owning
residents. According to Mass General Laws, in towns of over 5000,
these fees must be set at town meeting. They were not, and the
Board was in violation of that law. These fees will be set at
the next town meeting. At least residents will be notified of
that, unlike the BOH meeting that set the regulations. They say
they published legal notices, but the paper they were published
in is a give-away two page monthly that you cannot even subscribe
to. You have to go looking for it at local businesses.
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1440.7 | | CSCMA::SMITH | | Fri Apr 05 1991 15:01 | 6 |
| I'm really happy with the way our town lets us know whats going on.
They send us a notice of everything that's going to be voted on.
We get these about once a month. I know that in other towns the
people usually find out after the fact.
Sharon
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1440.8 | Update on Regulating Horses | PIPPER::NICKERSON | Bob Nickerson DTN 282-1663 :^) | Wed Sep 11 1991 17:54 | 68 |
| This is an update of the current situation in Sterling.
Horse owners in Sterling have now united and have gotten help from the
Mass Farm Bureau, Mass Dept. of Agriculture, and some help from an
attorney. We have sent two letters to the Board of Health and have
attended two meetings. We have been given an agenda item on the next
meeting so that "we can have these simple regulations explained to us".
If you didn't already know it, the Boards of Health in Mass. are the
most powerfull groups in the state. They are given "Police Powers" by
Mass General Laws to protect the public health and may pass any
"Reasonable" regulation to do so. Specifically, they are empowered by
MGL Chapt 111, Sect 155,156 to regulate horse stables in their
juristiction. They may legally determine the number of horses that can
be kept within the town!
Here are the objectionable items to Sterling horse owners:
Horses can not be kept on less than one acre.
No more than one horse per 1/2 acre may be kept.
Stables, paddocks, and corals must be located no closer than 100 feet
from any dwelling. (Zoning setoff in town is 40 feet. This means that
if someone buys the lot next door and puts up a house at the legal
setback, you may be required to move your barn, corral, or paddock.)
Stables, paddocks, and corals must be located no closer than 400 feet
from any stream, pond, or drainage easement. (This exceeds the state
limit which specifies 100 feet and only streams which flow into a resevoir)
Note that this also means that farm ponds are illegal. Note also that
your septic system may be within 100 feet.
Stables floors must be hosed down regularly. (regularly is not
defined).
Stable walls must be covered with an insecticide both inside and out,
weekly. (Industrial and Agricultural application of most insecticides
in this state requires a license)
Stables must be screened.
No more than one cord of manure may be accumulated. Public stables
must have manure removed weekly.
Grandfathering MAY be granted on an annual basis.
Fines for non-compliance can be up to $50 per day. (The state only
allows a fine of $5 a day)
Public stables must provide two or more toilet rooms with hand washing
facilities and an approved septic plan by the BOH.
Public stables are defined as any stable to which the public has access
for riding horses, riding lessons, viewing equestrian events and ETC.
We are concerned about the etc. but under this definition, someone who
has one horse and gives one lesson a week is a public stable, while
someone who runs a breeding farm with 150 horses is a private stable.
After polling 18 area towns, this was found to be the most restrictive
regulations written.
I will continue to update this note as events develop. We are going to
become as active as necessary to get these regulations recinded.
Bob
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1440.9 | Paranoid about Horses (or Race Tracks)? | KOALA::GUNN | I couldn't possibly comment | Thu Sep 12 1991 13:36 | 23 |
| re .8
It appears that there are some very horse-phobic people about in
Sterling. As an appointed Conservation Commissioner responsible for
administering the Wetlands Protection Act in the town (Littleton) where
I live, I often have to deal with interpretions of "reasonableness".
What is shown in Reply .8 for regulations exceeds my interpretation of
"reasonable" and approaches "unconstitutional".
The Board of Health consists usually of elected rather than appointed
members, which means they can be unelected at the next town meeting, or
whenever their term expires. In my opinion this BOH needs to
demonstrate what "public interest" is being protected by their
regulations and why that "public interest" can't be protected by a less
restrictive approach.
Do I remember correctly that somebody was trying to develop a Race
Track in Sterling? One of the "joys" of being a town official is that
all people must be treated alike, even the obnoxious ones. In the
Conservation Commission case, a home-owner can't be less strictly
regulated sub-division or office park developer. If these regulations
were initiated by the prospect of a Race Track, then there's a lot of
"fine tuning" still required.
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1440.10 | | VMSSPT::PAANANEN | | Thu Sep 12 1991 14:30 | 13 |
| RE:
<<< Note 1440.9 by KOALA::GUNN "I couldn't possibly comment" >>>
>The Board of Health consists usually of elected rather than appointed
>members, which means they can be unelected at the next town meeting, or
You can only vote for someone else if there is someone else to
vote for, which there isn't. They have been running unopposed.
And I have been told that there are qualifications required to
run, so that not just anyone can stand up and say they want to
run for that job because they don't like the way it's being done
now.
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1440.11 | well, Sterling is off the list for house-hunting! | CARTUN::MISTOVICH | | Fri Sep 13 1991 10:58 | 5 |
| Thank you very much for posting this. A friend of mine was going to
look at an antique colonial with barn in Sterling. Based on this, I'll
advise him to stick to other towns.
Mary
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1440.12 | Sterling update | PIPPER::NICKERSON | Bob Nickerson DTN 282-1663 :^) | Fri Sep 13 1991 12:13 | 26 |
| After last nights meeting with the Sterling Board of Health, I am happy
to report that we have made significant progress. We are still
negotiating on the 400 feet requirement but they have given us the
opportunity to submit a counter proposal. Public stables will not be
treated differently than private stables as it applies to manure
removal. There is now a definition for pastures which are excluded
from many of the water requirements (ie farm ponds are now legal). All
of the strange language about washing down the stables and applying
insecticide will be removed or rewritten to make sense. Variances
granted will be permanent and prior use will take precedence, meaning
that no one can build next to you and thereby cause you to be
non-complient. All in all we were very successful.
For those who run into the same problem, I suggest that you organize
before you go to the Board of Health. You should do your homework and
send your detailed concerns to the Board before the meeting. Pick a
spokesperson to do the talking and make sure that you stick to the
strategy. If one person shows up and starts making a scene, you will
make the board go on the defensive and all forward progress will stop.
This does not mean that you have to back down from anything they say
but if you want to change their minds you need to be well informed and
respectful.
I'll post the final results when we have finished our negotiations
but at least for now it is not a problem to own horses in Sterling.
Bob
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1440.13 | > fertilizer | KAHALA::HOLMES | | Fri Sep 13 1991 15:28 | 12 |
| > Stables, paddocks, and corals must be located no closer than 400 feet
> from any stream, pond, or drainage easement. (This exceeds the state
> limit which specifies 100 feet and only streams which flow into a resevoir)
I know I read that 1 years waste from a horse contains the same
chemicals as 1 100 pound bag of fertilizer.
Can you imagine the uproar if a town passed an ordinance like this
regarding fertilizing our lawns ?
I'll try to find the exact quote.
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