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1084.1 | putting him down seemed right decision | DNEAST::BUTTERMAN_HO | | Thu Oct 05 1989 11:56 | 11 |
| It was sad to hear that Secretariat was humanely put to sleep
yesterday. I understood the reports to say that he had been
treated for the laminitus condition most of the summer. The
owners determined it was no longer worth the pain and expense...
There was a radio interview w/the farm manager that I listened
to last night while I was in the barn doing chores... they said
the farm was closed to the public for the day. T.V. (local
news) gave him a nice slot of time w/film footage. Quite a horse
ole "Big Red"
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1084.2 | ?? | TOOK::SCHLENER | | Thu Oct 05 1989 13:59 | 3 |
| What is Laminitus? It sounds like some type of inflamation?
Cindy
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1084.3 | | MAMTS5::JWOOD | | Thu Oct 05 1989 14:05 | 3 |
| Laminitus is founder; inflamation of the area between the wall of
the hoof and the coffin bone... I think...
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1084.5 | Founder may be a result of other problems | NUTMEG::HEWSON | | Thu Oct 05 1989 14:42 | 14 |
| My 20yr old gelding foundered a couple of years ago as a result
of pituitary problems. Because he was in a lot of pain and there
was a high probability that he would founder again, I had him put
down right away. Maybe Secretariat had other problems like that
which would have him foundering repeatedly.
My gelding's pituitary problems had been showing up for several
years in the form of a winter coat which would not stop growing
in the summer. In the last couple of years, I had him I had to
body clip him 4-5 times each summer so he could survive the heat.
So the founder was just another complication.
Diana
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1084.6 | hmmm | GEMVAX::FISHER | | Thu Oct 05 1989 15:26 | 12 |
| Diana,
My 20 year old also has the pituatary problem. He too has a
coat that won't quit. I, however, in my naivite thought
that no other problems would be caused. Is founder a common
disease caused by these tumors? Gee, I thought I was safe from
worry. He's presently still jumping his fool head off, and
is totally sound most of the time (he is 20!).
Do you know more about this? Maybe I shouldn't worry?
Dawn
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1084.7 | | DECWET::DADDAMIO | Hopelessly Optimistic | Thu Oct 05 1989 15:33 | 19 |
| For more information on laminitis, check back issues of EQUUS. They had
several good articles which I read thoroughly when one of our horses got
laminitis (fortunately we caught it in time and she had no damage what-so-
ever). Also there is probably another note or two on it in this file.
The news reports I heard yesterday were kind of "watered down" for the
general public. It sounded like laminitis, but no details were given
and we were wondering how he could have contracted it and why it wasn't
caught soon enough. Looks like some of you got better information from
your newscasts.
For anyone interested in seeing some great footage on Secretariat - check
out the Jewels of the Triple Crown videotape put out by ABC Sports. It's
great and relatively check for a video ($19.95). We also have a video on
Secretariat's last race in Canada. We're going to miss him even though
we can see him on tape whenever we want. I don't think I've been as
affected by a horse's death as this except for Ruffian (sniff).
Jan
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1084.8 | We'll miss him | STAR::PMURPHY | | Fri Oct 06 1989 13:41 | 14 |
| I know what you mean. I'll never forget his last race and the chill
that went through me as I watched that magnificant animal run; a lump
came to my throat and tears in my eyes for just the thrill he gave us.
I think of Ruffian too and how great she was. I had been told by
someone who knew both Ruffian and her owners that her injury could have
been healed so she could've been used for broodmare purposes but not
racing. Does anyone know the details of her injury?
Re video tape on Secretariat's races, do you know if they are at any
video stores?
Pat
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1084.9 | | MEIS::SCRAGGS | | Fri Oct 06 1989 13:46 | 14 |
| I remember when Ruffian had broken her leg they did set it, Twice
I think but as soon as the sedatives started to wear off she would
thrash and become spastic, they couldn't control her and had to
destroy her. Had she been a quieter animal, yes they could have
managed to save her life. I'll never forget seeing the pictures, over
and over again of that race, I was never so sick over anything in my
life before.
I too was sad to hear that Sec was put down. I never imagined he was
19 either, boy that really makes me feel a little older. In my heart
he will always be a 4 yr old I guess.
Marianne
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1084.10 | some info on laminitis/founder | CARTUN::MISTOVICH | | Fri Oct 06 1989 13:59 | 75 |
| Laminitis is an imflammation inside the hoof. Because the outer wall
of the hoof is solid, it is not possible for the inner hoof to expand
outward to relieve the condition, therefore pressure is exerted
downward. This can cause the coffin bone to rotate out of position.
If the condition progresses to this stage, than it is considered
founder. It is possible for the coffin bone to literally rotate and
push right through the sole of the foot.
Laminitis is generally treated by removing the shoe (which relieves
some pressure), soaking in cold water (to help relieve the
inflammation), cutting the diet way back (too rich a diet can cause
it), anti-inflammatory medication (such as bute).
Warning signs of laminitis are soreness in the foot accompanied by
heat. The wall of the hoof normally should feel cool to the touch...if
it doesn't, watch out! Also, it usually occurs in front feet and
usually occurs in both, not just one.
It is possible to treat founder, and it is possible for the horse
ultimately to resume normal duties. Kathy Connelly's tb gelding,
Puchacay, had qualified for the Olympics, then foundered. Kathy was
able to buy him very cheaply, rested him for a year, brought him back
and competed Grand Prix with him for several years before he retired.
He died a couple of years ago (colic) at age 20 or so. When I worked
for Kathy, Puchacay's diet was almost entirely hay. Very little grain,
no supplements.
For very valuable horses, there is a treatment that has brought some
horses back from severe founder to eventing again. A friend of mine's
mare foundered severely (the coffin bone rotated completed through one
front hoof, was visible through the sole of the other). She was in
foal at the time, so Jean didn't want to put her down. The blacksmith (I
forget his name) who invented the heartbar shoe treated the mare for a
year, then our regular smith, Garth Bodkin, took over maintenance.
Treatment was extremely expensive and the mare spent one year in severe
pain, but ultimately recovered. The aim of treatment is to push the
cofffin bone into place and regrow te hoof around it to keep it in
place. Treatment with heartbar shoe consists of:
1. toe resection - they cut off the outer wall from coronet band down
of the front of the hoof (horse under anasthesia). this relieves the
pressure.
2. heartbar shoe is applied after careful exam and x-rays. the shoe
must be put on precisely. the shoe puts gentle pressure on the coffin
bone to begin pushing it back into place. put on incorrectly, the shoe
can push the coffin bone further out of place.
3. the hoof is kept packed in a sugar/betadine solution. it is soaked
daily, alternating epsom salt soaks with betadine soaks.
4. the horse is put on a special diet with supplements to encourage
faster hoof growth.
5. blood analysis is done periodically (every 2 weeks?) to check for
stress and balance diet accordingly.
6. the shoes are reset periodically, after x-rays, etc. to keep
correct pressure on coffin bone.
With special diets, etc., it takes about 8-9 months to re-grow the
hoof, as I recall.
At the time of my friend's experience, there were about 3 blacksmith's
in the world who were capable of using the shoe correctly. In fact, it
was incorrect application of the shoe (without toe resection, etc.) by
an inexperienced vet and blacksmith that caused the founder to have
become so severe!
Mary
that caused the founder to become so severe.
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1084.11 | What's the truth? | TOOK::SCHLENER | | Fri Oct 06 1989 14:56 | 8 |
| I would love to find out why Secretariat's condition became so bad that
he had to be put down. Someone had mentioned earlier that they had been
fighting the laminitis all summer long. From .-9 reply, it sounds like
laminitis is treatable but very expensive.
I wonder what the full story is.
Cindy
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1084.12 | video, etc | DNEAST::BUTTERMAN_HO | | Mon Oct 09 1989 09:39 | 21 |
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RE: the last few notes...
. the information I heard regarding the fact that he had been
treated 'all summer' for the condition was a radio interview I
heard w/a groom from the farm. so... maybe it's not bad info.
(if it had come from a news reporter then I might wonder)
. video - funny - I found a tape at our video store this weekend
called something like "the triple crown" (don't rember exactly).
BUT! It was very interesting, and included footage of all the
horses who had ever won the triple crown (there are 11). and
some history on each of them... their productivity records as
breeding horses after retirement, etc. It is narrated by one
of the guys who generally does the races (forget his name -
maybe Mathew McKay Smith??)... Well, anyway, it's worth picking
up.
. I expected to find something in the Sunday sports section of the
paper w/information, but didn't. oh well.
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1084.13 | NY Times Column by Penny Tweedy | STAR::KRO | | Mon Oct 09 1989 11:45 | 7 |
| The Sunday NY Times sports section had a column by Penny Tweedy. She
had some interesting recollections. She said that she used to think
'we created him' but after fifteen years of trying to duplicate him,
she realizes that it was just luck. She made a point of saying that he
had been well cared for by the staff of Claiborne and that when, she was
told last week by Seth Hancock that Secretariat was in a lot of pain,
she agreed that it would be best to put him down.
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1084.14 | | JUPITR::MENARD | | Mon Oct 09 1989 13:54 | 18 |
| Hoof resection accompanied by heartbar shoes can often save a horse
with severe founder, but not always. Since founder can be caused by so
many things, the cause must be eliminated. When the cause is from too
rich feed, stress, or whatever other external cause, it can usually be
treated, but at quite an expense.
However, founder can also be caused by something systemic, as in the
case of my mare. She had severe liver damage, which was causing the
founder. I did go the route of the hoof resection and heartbar shoes,
but she just kept getting worse. After consulting liver specialists
all over the country it was strongly recommended she could never
recover since the liver damage was so extensive, and it was their
feeling that was the cause.
Though I honestly don't know, I would suspect Secretariat probably had
something else going on that wouldn't allow it to heal.
Kathy
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1084.15 | Two of the Greats to always be remembered! | USMFG::NROSTANZO | | Mon Oct 09 1989 14:37 | 15 |
| To know Secretariat, is to know that decision must have been the
hardest for them to make. I wouldn't think anything but the best
would have been given to a horse of that caliber.
1084.7> I recall watching Ruffian on her way up to the Triple Crown,
I always believed that she would have been an all time great if
they could have saved her. I remember it most because that was
the first time I ever really got into Thoroughbred racing, she was
it, she was going to the top! I remember her eyes.... 1084.8> was
right, from what I read on her, she couldn't, wouldn't be saved.
She made me believe that she couldn't let herself be broken, she
wouldn't have been happy as a broodmare, she loved the race! and
the race alone!
Nancy
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1084.16 | Poor judgement on the owners part. | STRATA::STOOKER | | Wed Oct 11 1989 15:41 | 13 |
| Re: Ruffian
I had bought a book about Ruffian and the way the book told the
story was she had had a broken or chipped bone the year before and
had been in a cast and stall rest for quite some time before she
was well enough to go back to training for races. I feel that since
the owners knew that she had had a problem before with that leg
and she had been in a cast and stall rest before that they (the
owners) should have decided then to use her as a broodmare. I thought
they executed very poor judgement in allowing her to race again.
Just my opinion:
Sarah
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1084.17 | Secretariat | GENRAL::LEECH | Pat Leech CX01/02 DTN 522-6044 | Wed Oct 18 1989 13:10 | 95 |
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This is from the Blood Horse dated Oct. 14,1989. Almost the entire
issue is devoted to Secretariat and there is a great picture of him
on the cover.
From an interview with Penney Chenery, breeder and owner of Secretariat
when he won the Triple Crown. Page 5568.
"Secretariat's untimely death marks the end of a wonderful dream I
have been privileged to love," she said. "Having this magical horse
who was the finest Thoroughbred performer of the last 50 years has
given me a unique experience. I am proud of his accomplishments as a
stallion and am pleased to have one of his daughters. My family and I
join the many people who have been his loyal fans in great sadness at
his loss. He was not only a champion race horse, but a cherished
friend.
Alfred Vanderbilt, who is a friend, told me that he'd had a
telegram as a shareholder. And then I'd talked with (Clairborne
president) Seth Hancock two or three times this week, and he told
methat he thought the horse had something really very seriously wrong
with him, more than just the laminitis. He suspected that it was
cancer. Bold Ruler, his sire, died of cancer."
"He just said that this horse is just very sick, and we can't find out
what it is. This morning, he called and said, "I'm going to ask the
insurance company for permission to put him down so that he won't
suffer."
From page 5624.
Secritariat was foaled at The Meadow, a Doswell Va. nursery established
by Mrs. Chenery's late father, Christopher T. Chenery. Secritariat was
born on March 30, 1970, a date 53 years and one day after Man O' War
was foaled in Kentucky.
Secritariat wa the product of a foal-sharing arrangement between
Chenery and Ogden Phipps, who stood Bold Ruler at Claiborne. Chenery
provided the mares, and Phipps provided the services of Bold Ruler. For
the 1968 breeding season, Chenery sent Somethingroyal and another mare,
Hasty Matilda, to be bred to Bold Ruler. From those matings,
Somethingroyal produced a filly, and Hasty Matilda produced a colt. In
1969, Somethinroyal and champion Cicada were sent to Bold Ruler.
Somethingroyal got in foal, but Cicada was barren for the 1970 season.
At Saratoga in 1969, Mrs. Chenery and Phipps met to flip a coin to
determine which party received whick foals. The winner of the flip
automatically would have first choice of the 1969 foals--either the
Somethingroyal filly or the Hasty Matilda colt. The loser would
receive the remaining 1969 foal and the first choice of the second pair
of foals. In this case, there would only be one foal, because Cicada
was barren.
Phipps won the toss and selected the 1969 Somethingroyal filly, later
to be named The Bride. Mrs. Tweedy then received the 1969 Hasty
Matilda colt and with her first choice for the second year selected the
in utero Somethingroyal foal, which was Secretariat.
Sectretariat achieved his destiny at three, winning the Triple Crown
and beating older horses in major raceson dirt and grass. Racing in
the 99th Kentucky Derby, Secretariat took the lead in the stretch and
won the 10-furlong classic in 1:59 2/5, lowering Northern Dancer's
2:00 Derby record. In the Preakness Stakes a fortnight later,
Secritariat went outside the five horse field around the first turn and
won easily in 1:54 2/5. Secritariats's performance in the Belmont was
the stuff of which legends are made. He captured the 12- furlong Belmont
by 31 widening lengths in 2:24. His time supassed the the previous
Belmont record, set by Gallant Man in 1957, by 2 3/5 seconds, and his
winning margin surpassed the 25-length record margin set by 1943 Triple
Crown winner Count Fleet.
Secritariat and Riva Ridge arrived for stud duty at Clairborne on
Nov. 11, 1973, Secritariat taking the stall that formerly housed his
sire, Bold Ruler. His first crop of foals included the world's first
seven figure sale yearling, a half-brother to major winner Dahlia which
sold for a then-record $1.5 million at the Keenland July sale.
Secritariat sired a total of 41 stakes winner, including 1986 Horse
of the Year Lady's Secret and other champions Risen Star, Bluebook, and
Medaille d'Or.
Secritariat was destroyed at 11:45 a.m. on Oct. 4 at Clairborne. The
19-year-old stallion had contracted laminitus on Sept. 4. Post-mortem
test confirmed laminitis was present in all four feet, but the cause of
the laminitus was undetermined.
Because of the overwhelming number of request to the farm concerning
remeberances, Clairborne has announced creation of a memorial fund,
proceeds from which will be earmarked for laminitis research.
Contributions to the Secretariat Memorial Fund may be directed to
Clairborne Farm, Box 150, Paris, Ky. 40361. The Grayson Foundation
will handle the appropriation of the contributions.
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1084.18 | Secretariat's autopsy results-from USENET | GBLAUT::JANICKI | Victoria Janicki DTN 226-5980 | Thu Oct 19 1989 13:42 | 35 |
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The results of Secretariat's autopsy were released Tuesday, and they're
not very informative. Secretariat suffered from "an undefined systemic
illness that resulted in toxemia, with secondary kidney and liver
disease and the foot ailment laminitis. Following the initial illness,
he became stabilized for a significant period before a second systemic
episode which resulted in further kidney damage and irreversible changes
in the feet. There was appreciable coffin bone rotation from the
laminitis." Veterinarians and pathologists were unable to identify the
illness that triggered the laminitis.
Thomas Swerczek, the University of Kentucky Veterinary Science professor
who conducted the autopsy, said it is rare not to be able to determine
the cause of laminitis when examining tissue samples. "Usually we can
identify situations that cause laminitis", he said. "But his case didn't
fit into that category. There was an undefined clinical illness early on
that was causing the kidney and liver damage that led to laminitis. It
happened so long ago that there were no diagnostic lesions at the time
of the autopsy." The laminitis was diagnosed Sept. 4, but the triggering
illness might have affected him even earlier. Swerczek said "I
understand that even the previous week he showed signs of being off."
Swerczek said that his UK lab has preserved the tissue samples in case
the need is seen for further study.
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1084.19 | Question on insurance.. | LAUREL::REMILLARD | | Thu Oct 19 1989 15:35 | 12 |
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Funny thing.. I was just talking to a "non-horsey" person about
Secretariat's death and he asked me what "Founder" was. After
I explained he said he didn't understand why with a horse that
was worth SO MUCH (for stud) why didn't they just amputate that
foot/leg and give him a artificial leg/foot. There are a number
of horses that do have them now... I really didn't have an
answer for him as I never even thought of such a thing. Do
you think that the insurance came into play? (Maybe it wouldn't
"allow" such a thing?)
Susan
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1084.21 | my $.02 | TOMLIN::ROMBERG | wandering aimlessly... | Thu Oct 19 1989 17:31 | 10 |
| re: .19
(In addition to .20)
I believe a previous note mentioned that the laminitis was
present in all 4 feet. To ask a horse to learn how to deal with 1
artificial limb is hard enough. 4 is too much. Also, at his
(somewhat) advanced age, Secretariat was probably not a feasible
candidate for surgery, which is extremely stressful even on a
youngster.
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1084.22 | wouldn't be the first stud with artificial leg | GEMVAX::FISHER | | Thu Oct 19 1989 17:49 | 7 |
| I remember watching one of the races last year that had
"horsey tidbits" thrown in every now and then. They showed
a famous stud (I'm sorry, I can't remember who) who had an
artificial leg. All he could do is stand in his stall and
be used as stud. He couldn't even be hand walked. I thought
that the owner(s) should be have been slowly tortured and then
shot. Still feel that way now every time I think of it.
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1084.23 | ...ramblings on sperm and happiness! | THRSHR::DINGEE | This isn't a rehearsal, you know. | Fri Oct 20 1989 13:07 | 28 |
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I have accepted the fact that horses, especially race horses, can
be strictly business for some owners. This occurrs especially when
the large consortiums buy into a race horse. It's unfortunate, and
I think Secretariat was extremely lucky to have owners that loved
him enough to put his quality of life before their earnings.
I have heard that even though a stallion's cryogenically preserved
sperm can be shipped around the country - even the world - in order
to artificially inseminate mares, that once the stallion is dead
the sperm must be destroyed, by law. Can anyone confirm this?
If true, the business aspect combined with the "no posthumus
insemination" rule are probably why the stud with the artificial
leg is kept in his stall. We are talking millions, here...it doesn't
excuse what people do, but it might explain it. I can't say I'd be
"better" than that until I'm in that situation.
I honestly believe the person who asked why the leg couldn't be cut
off didn't have all the facts. A little knowlege can be a dangerous
thing. There is a stud at the UVM Morgan farm with a fused leg. He
shattered the canon bone; he does go out for an hour or so a day
but doesn't move around much in his stall or paddock. Who's to say he's
not happy? I don't know...I try to fight the tendency to "personalize"
too much. What's happy to a horse? Some green grass? Sun? No pain?
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1084.24 | Live cover | GENRAL::LEECH | Pat Leech CX01/02 DTN 522-6044 | Fri Oct 20 1989 15:17 | 11 |
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The Jockey Club requires a live cover for the foal to be eligable for
registration. No AI is allowed for any reason. AQHA allows AI but
only is the mare is inseminated within one hour of collection from the
stallion. Warmbloods allow AI used with shipped seman. I don't know
about any of the other breeds.
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1084.25 | | LAUREL::REMILLARD | | Fri Oct 20 1989 15:30 | 14 |
| When I spoke to this person I had heard a newscast that just
explained that only the right fore foot was affected and
didn't mention about any other damage to the poor horse. So
When I explained to him... I guess he just thought that if the
foot was inoperable and if they can remove it he could continue
to live...
So I think he really wasn't trying to be heart-less - just asking
why something like a artificial foot wasn't thought of.
This was the second newcast that I had caught... the first one
only stated that he was put down and gave no reason.
Susan
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1084.26 | | CARTUN::MISTOVICH | | Fri Oct 20 1989 15:47 | 14 |
| I think that non-horse people have no idea of the amount of suffering
that is inflicted on horses that are put through these kinds of extreme
treatments. (Hopefully) most people understand when they are presented
with the facts or witness the suffering. I remember years ago when my
1st horse was badly injured due to either neglect or mishandling by a
barn manager, my father's initial attitude reversed after he became
directly involved with the situation. I am told that when he rode with
my horse in the trailer to New Bolton, he cried.
re: .23 You and I will probably never be in the position of the
owner's of multi-million dollar race horses because we are too
sensitive to the amount of suffering that is frequently caused by the
process of becoming that wealthy.
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1084.27 | | GENRAL::LEECH | Pat Leech CX01/02 DTN 522-6044 | Thu Nov 02 1989 13:12 | 33 |
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From the Blood Horse date Oct.28, 1989
A lifesize sculpture of Secretariat will be executed by Jim Reno and
placed in the visitor entrance area of the Kentucky Horse Park. The
project, planned long before the recent death of the 1973 Triple Crown
winner, will be funded by sale for $7,500 each of 100 statuettes of the
same subject.
"We have been comparing notes, and Jim has created a wonderful
reproduction, capturing the dignity and strength of Secretariat,"
said Mrs. Penny Tweedy, who raced the champion, at a Lexington press
conference when the smaller version was unveiled by the Horse Park
Foundation.
Reno years ago depicted Secretariat winning the Belmont Stakes, a
sculpture exhibited in the National Museum of Racing. In the
intervening 16 years, he said, he found through comparison of
measurments that Secretariat had grown three inches in height and
length.
"Horses generally are as long as they are tall," Reno pointed out,
and he noted one unusual aspect of Secretariat's conformation. "They
also are as deep from the withers to the top of the front leg as they
are from the top of the leg to the ground. Secretariat, however, had
three inches more leg length."
The casting of the 100 smaller statuettes will be completed in the
next two months, and Reno expects the large version to be finished
within a year.
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1084.28 | relatives | SWAM2::MASSEY_VI | | Wed Jul 29 1992 19:09 | 8 |
| I have been fortunate enough to own a Bold Ruler grand-daughter. She
is 20 years old and is the "old race horse" type. I knew she had
impressive relations but never realized she was related to Secretariat.
We were going to breed her but decided to wait another year. She has
foal quite a few stakes winners here in California. I also have a
comemerative plate of Secretariat.
virginiaz
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