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Title:Equine Notes Conference
Notice:Topics List=4, Horses 4Sale/Wanted=150, Equip 4Sale/Wanted=151
Moderator:MTADMS::COBURNIO
Created:Tue Feb 11 1986
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2080
Total number of notes:22383

976.0. "KNOTS ??? HOW TO TIE THEM???" by USMFG::NROSTANZO () Thu Jun 15 1989 13:56

    
    Does anyone have any info on knot tying?  I need to know how to
    tie a quick release and a bowman (sp) knot.  (probably more too)
    
    Are there any books with this demonstrated in it?   I think I would
    be impossible to describe w/out room for error, which I cannot risk.
    
    Any info would be great
    
    Nancy
    
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976.1DECNET::NAMOGLUSheryl Namoglu : VMS Development Thu Jun 15 1989 14:5037
Was that a Bowline knot?  

If so, they aren't too hard....and are wonderful to use, as you can ALWAYS
get them untied.  I'll give a shot at directions...(please don't laugh
at the description :-)

Start with the line in your right hand with your hand about 1 foot from 
the end (the distance can be reduced as you get used to the knot).

Make a loop in the line so that it looks like this :     |<----end of line
							 |
							_|
						       / \
                                                       \_/
                                                         |
                                                         |
                                                    to rest of line

The loop must be made so that the end of the line is on top of
the rest of the line (where they cross to make the circle).  Keep the 
loop on the left of the lines (exactly as drawn).

If your bowline is getting tied to something, put the end of the line
through that something (may be easier to tie if you tie it to something).

Take the end of the line (the rabbit), have the rabbit come out of its
hole (the loop, from the bottom), go around the tree (underneath the rest of
the line), and then back down its hole (through the loop from the top).

Pull the rabbit and the rest of the line to pull it tight.  You should
end up with a nice loop formed by the end of the line.  If you didn't
tie the line to something, it will be harder to tighten.  If it is tied
to something, pull against that something as you are tightening the knot.

Good Luck...hope this helps....

Sherry
976.2Books availableDECWET::DADDAMIOThu Jun 15 1989 15:575
    We have bought books on knots in book stores (all small paperbacks).
    They have great pictures and directions.  Don't have any with me so I
    can't give you any titles, but ask at your local bookstore.
    
    						Jan
976.3teaching him to tie/bowline knotsUSMFG::NROSTANZOThu Jun 15 1989 16:3515
    
    Is the bowline the knot that won't slip?  I am told I can use it
    in trying to keep the horse I'm training to stand tied.  I'm told
    when he's tied he will lean till his halter snaps, or the object
    tied to.  I don't want to try, I'd rather be sure.  I'm told if
    I tie a line around his belly (by kidney) with a bowline knot, run
    the line thru the halter then to the hitch (w/the quick release)
    he should find when he backs/leans he won't like the pressure and
    will then move forward.
    
    I'm told if the bowline is done incorrectly it will slide/untie,
    which I cannot afford to have happen ....
    
    Nancy
    
976.4DECNET::NAMOGLUSheryl Namoglu : VMS Development Fri Jun 16 1989 08:2532
If tied properly, the bowline will not slip.  If it is a critical situation
for you, make sure you practice it alot!  

I can't speak for the best way to teach a horse to tie though.

Some more info on tying it....

When you go to tighten the knot, pull on the loop you have just created and
the end of the line to tighten it.  It should look like this before
tightening....

                          A
			----         <-------loop you are creating 
                       /    \ 
                      /  B   \
                      \  \   /
                       oooooo     <----- "o" is the loop you started with in
                       o\  \o            your right hand
                        o\oo\
                          \ |\<--------"rabbit"
                           -|-+
                            |   <--------rest of line

To tighten you pull on points A and B (B is the end of the line).
You should end up with a nice loop (near A) on the end of the line and
a relatively small knotted area where the "o" circle was.
If you don't tighten it properly, the knot will not work properly.


Does this description make any sense?  


976.5good knots for lead ropesSALEM::WARSHAWFri Jun 30 1989 14:5612
    try youir local boy scout council.  They have lot's of books on
    the subject.  A bowline is primarily used when you want to make
    a loop that won't slip.  No matter how hard you pull on the knot
    it will untie easily when you are ready.  
    
        Two of my favorites to use on a horse are a clove hitch (used
    to tie the lead rope to a tree or post) and the Taught Line Hitch
    (this is a slip knot that is used mostly for tents and won't loosen
    until you move it); I use the taught line when I want to cross tie
    the horse and the lead lines are too long.  Both are easy to make and 
    very easy to untie.
    when done.
976.6Tie training using a snubbing postMAMTS5::JWOODTue Sep 12 1989 18:137
    Please do not try the training method described earlier on a fence
    post; use a snubbing post, a tree, or another free-standing object.
    
    My horse was so bothered by the loop around her belly, she tried
    to jump the fence she was tied to, came down on it and could have
    injured herself terribly.  I hope no one else makes this same mistake.