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| 705.1 | Tell Me More... | PLANET::SILVA | I finally got a PONY of my OWNY | Wed Sep 07 1988 09:29 | 3 |
| What exactly is Azoturia? How do they catch it?
Is it fatal? Contagious? Is treatment available?
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| 705.2 | my $.02 | TOMLIN::ROMBERG | Kathy Romberg DTN 276-8189 | Wed Sep 07 1988 12:04 | 34 |
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> What exactly is Azoturia?
Also known as 'Monday Morning Sickness' or 'tying up' here in
the States. Not having my medical books in front of me, I believe
it's a condition where toxins build up in the muscles and blood
stream that the kidneys are unable to filter. The muscles then
begin to cramp.
It is sometimes visible in work horses who work hard all week,
get a day off, and then go back to work, all with full grain. It
is also seen in some stressfull sports like 3-day eventing, where
some horses may 'tie up' in the vet box either before or after
Phase D (X-c).
> How do they catch it?
It's not a 'caught' condition.
> Is it fatal?
In the very least, painful for the horse.
> Contagious?
No.
> Is treatment available?
Yes - antibiotics and painkillers. As a preventative, 3-day
horses that have a tendency to tie up are often not allowed to
relax in the vet box between Phases C and D. The rider will stay
mounted and keep the horse moving so the muscles don't get a chance
to cramp up.
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| 705.3 | Re .2 | CHEFS::GOUGH | | Thu Sep 08 1988 05:23 | 8 |
| Yes, that's right. Which is why it seems unlikely that a totally
grass kept, living out pony who doesn't work very hard should get
it.
He's a lot better now, but we're keeping him in, and should have
the results of the blood test today.
Helen.
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| 705.4 | TRY VITAMIN E AND SELENIUM | MERCY::GOULD | Maureen Gould * 264-0182 * NHAS-IS Customer Assistance | Tue Sep 13 1988 13:21 | 7 |
| If Azutoria is the problem, some people suggest using a supplement
with VITAMIN E and SELENIUM to combat the problem. If the horse
is not worked on a regular basis, this problem may flair up after
workouts.
Did you get your blood test results?
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| 705.5 | One solution to Azutoria | BSS::LEECH | Pat Leech CX01/02 DTN 522-6044 | Tue Sep 13 1988 14:34 | 14 |
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My grey horse has always had a problem with tying up. We put him
on Maxum Crumbles and he seldom has an attack any more. Maxum
Crumbles are a feed suppliment that contains Vitamin E and Selinium
as well as other vitamins and minerals. It is sold in a pelleted form
and you just add 1 scoop (about 1 TBS.) a day to the grain ration.
I have also noticed a general improvement in his coat and overall
condition. You have to feed the Vitamin E so that the horse can
metabolise the selinium. It is sold at most tack and feed stores and
I think that I saw it in the State Line catalog.
Pat
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| 705.6 | | MARKER::REED | | Tue Sep 13 1988 16:06 | 103 |
| I would just like to add my 2 cents on tying up.
This past summer while on a four-day/100 mile trail ride in Vermont
my horse tied up for the first time. I knew there was something
wrong but not what and luckily there were people there who did.
The vet thought problem had to have started out on the trail, he
got overheated. It was during the hot, humid spell we had in July
and August. Even though at every stream we came to he drank his
fill and I sponged him down, it wasn't enough. The heat from his
body was not dissipating fast enough.
A friend who was a small animal vet told me to first give him a
healthy shot of whiskey with sugar and water. (Great, I brought
wine!) I mixed it in a beer bottle and gave it to him. He also
suggested I keep Cheyenne up and moving when he wanted. Chey was
also allowed to graze as much as he wanted, which wasn't much. Doc
also gave him 10cc of cortisone. We waited and watched.
After 2 hours he didn't get much better so I called the vet that
was on-call for this ride. By the time he got there Chey was moving
well but still not his old self. My biggest concern was his age
(21 years) and his kidneys (I couldn't remember when I'd seen him
pee during the day). After the vet examined him, Chey's had a temp.,
the bladder wasn't very full(Great! Less chance of kidney damage BUT
that meant that the kidneys had shutdown completely). He administered
2 IV bottles. They contained electrolytes, pain killer, antibiotics.
All of a sudden it felt like Cheyenne was heating up but the vet
said that he was just beginning to sweat (good). Standing 3-4 ft.
away you could feel the heat! By the time the second bottle was
1/3 gone, Cheyenne peed. YA-HOO and thank goodness it was clear.
(If the color is dark to black that is a sign of kidney damage)
He was to get no grain for the next two days but as much fresh grass
and/or hay as he wanted. That night I could give him water but only
a few swallows at fifteen minute intervals. No riding for at least
1 week and then start training from scratch and slowly.
It wasn't like he was out of shape. We worked for weeks getting
ready for this and it was the third time this year we were in Vermont.
I think it was definitely a combination of things
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| 705.7 | 2 cents continued | MARKER::REED | | Tue Sep 13 1988 16:43 | 24 |
| Somehow I got cut off in mid-sentence. But to finish my tale, the
tying up was due to a combination of things.
1. It was very hot (90+ degrees by 10 a.m.) and very humid.
2. We were scheduled to complete 22 miles the first day and
the actual mileage was 35.
3. Even though we had trained this, being in Vermont with nothing
but hills/mountains to go up and down, we weren't ready.
If I had known what the actual mileage was, I wouldn't have
pushed him so far.
4. By the time we returned to camp, the kidneys had already
shut down so the tying up was inevitable.
After this episode, I now make sure that he is cooled down properly
after each and every workout. I still start up with the electrolytes
a few days prior to a heavy session/trail ride. And I am trying
to find a place close to home with more hills to train on. (I'm
definitely a "flat lander" as they say in VT. Can anyone suggest
a place in Mass. (I live in Billerica).
Roslyn
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| 705.8 | Update | CHEFS::GOUGH | | Wed Sep 14 1988 05:44 | 22 |
| Thank you for all your replies. I will definitely look into the
vitamin E and selenium thing.
If any of you have read note 708, you will know that we have been
through all sorts of diagnoses with Robbie, and are now back to
azoturia caused by being overweight, which is the opinion of the
second (specialist horse) vet. The first vet read the blood test
results as chronic liver damage, so I am somewhat relieved now to
be dealing with azoturia!
Robbie is moving much better now, but is still not totally sound,
and is tender round his back and qaurters. This is a week after
the original symptoms. He was eating normally, but as of today
won't be - he's to go on a starvation diet, so I'm going to have
one bad tempered horse tonight!!
If any of you have any other experience of azoturia, I'd be interested
to know.
Thanks
Helen.
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| 705.9 | ELECTROLYTES AND VITAMIN E | HARDY::REMILLARD | | Wed Sep 14 1988 14:00 | 21 |
| RE: .6 AND .7
Roslyn,
I also do distance riding and I do use electrolytes (sp?) but
I use them throughout my training period. We start our
conditioning in April and I give the electrolytes once a week
(this may not be needed but it works for me). During the ride
I give electrolytes each day (mine has a scoop measure and I
give each night in GRAIN). I also give and SWEAR by Vitamin E
(PURE ONLY) and usually give 3 ounces a week and when on a ride I
give an ounce a DAY (in the morning). I have never had any
tying up problems (thank GOD). I find that when it is very
hot and humid and I still need to cover miles I let him trot
a mile - then walk a 1/2 mile and so on (depending on the
terrain) - this may not get you any awards - but will get your
horse home safe. I will not kill my horse for the sake of
a ride - and anyway I don't compete.
Just as a note - too much eletrolytes can be VERY bad on your
nag too - so make sure and read your lables!
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