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632.1 | Patience... | SHRFAC::CARIBO | | Wed Jun 22 1988 10:05 | 24 |
| Stephanie,
Couldn't help but to reply to this one.
When my two Arabian fillies down right refused to load, feed them
in it it worked wonderfully. The only way to a horse sometimes
is thru their stomachs.
Be patient though sometimes this can take some time. One filly
responded to this in a day. The other too 2 weeks, she lost some
weight but she learn't to go on the trailer and the trailer wasn't
going to hurt her. Don't get me wrong, we didn't starve her, she
knew where the grain was and she did get at least half of her ration
with every session. I just left the other half in the trailer.
The toughest filly, got so comfortable that she wouldn't unload!
Good luck and remember, be patient, praise even the first foot in
the trailer, you'll be more then happy with the results. A very
happy horse in the trailer, with no (or at least few) fears.
Lorna
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632.2 | { Time will help..} | SEQUEL::GREGG | | Wed Jun 22 1988 11:54 | 10 |
| I started one of my horses out by feeding him in the trailer starting
at the ramp and working up with the grain with hay at the front.
This worked out very well but it did take some time to get him to
load normal. Unloading was no problem.
Reminder: Some Horses do not like to go into dark places so a light
at the front of the trailer might help if your trailer does not
have side and front windows.
-D-
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632.3 | Low-key approach is probably the best | KNEE::MONTVILLE | Sharon Montville | Wed Jun 22 1988 11:59 | 36 |
| I think one of the most important things is, don't wait until you
*have* to get the horse loaded, to try to load him. If you do,
that creates a lot of stress because you know that you have to load
that horse or else... It doesn't provide a calm, patient atmosphere
and horses easily pick up on any tension in the air.
I have a 2-year-old, quite large (half-Trakehner) filly that I just
taught to load. I have done lots of short sessions. No pressure.
Before I started actively loading her, I fed her in the trailer
for awhile. It took her awhile to get used to the idea. She went
without her grain for several days because her neck wasn't long
enough to reach. During this time, she never entered the trailer
all the way, just enough so she could get to the grain - but that
was ok, because I just wanted her to knwo the trailer wouldn't hurt
her.
The first day I tried to load her, I didn't get all 4 feet in the trailer,
but I didn't push it - she was calm and pretty willing, just a bit
hesitant. I gave her a treat, repeated a few more times, and called
it a day.
Now, she will practically load herself in the trailer if I go in
and call her. I think this is because I spent time standing in
the trailer, with her on a long loose lead, letting her line herself
up and coming in to me (I did this because my mare has abolutely
no sense of how to line herself up to go straight into the trailer;
she is absolutely dependent on me to get her in straight, and it's
a pain sometimes because she doesn't load very well).
I might add that this filly is stubborn and strong, and I was very
apprehensive about this and kicking myself for not teaching her
how to load when she was smaller and more controllable. However,
since I didn't do it when she was a foal, and she was incredibly
snotty as a yearling, I think it all worked out for the best. If
I had waited until a "must load" situation to teach her, however,
I think I would now have a filly that was a major problem to load.
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632.4 | A one-horse loading trick | BSS::ZINN | | Wed Jun 22 1988 12:49 | 8 |
| In addition to all that's been said, one other idea may be useful.
When you actually start loading her, take a long lead through the
front window and loop it back along the outside of the trailer.
Then you can take up the slack while standing beside her at the
back end of the trailer. It'll work very much like you are
leading her into a two-horse. Of course, I used to cheat a little
and use a butt rope, too, but if you can get her to go in to feed,
the butt rope is probably not necessary.
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632.5 | Keep up the incentive | GENRAL::BOURBEAU | | Wed Jun 22 1988 13:55 | 9 |
| Another point,once you get her to load, always be sure to put
some grain in before you load her to continue the positive
reinforcement. I have a five year old who was trained by parking
the trailer at the end of his run,and fed in it. I always put a
handful of grain in before loading him,and he usually can't wait
to get to it.
George
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632.6 | thanks | USADEC::GILL | | Wed Jun 22 1988 14:16 | 6 |
| As I thought just like a man, reach him through his stomach.
As I said before, Metrik will load into a two horse, but I have
to lead him in, but even then he has to think about it. He is a
good boy about loading seeing he as ridden in a trailer about six
or seven times, once he got on with a stallion he didn't even know
and on the left side for the first time in rain by a puddle!
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632.7 | Making life easier | SEDOAS::NEALE | | Mon Jun 27 1988 06:54 | 28 |
| I've had a lot of trouble loading my horse, and here are a few things
that I find helpful.
If the horse trys to swing round sideways as you lead him in, it
often helps to park alongside a wall. You could then have a helper
to stand the other side to stop him swinging that way too, or get
someone to hold a lunge line attached to the side of the trailer.
Horses sometimes don't like walking up too steep a ramp, so if you
parked on a downward slope that might help.
Someone else suggested having a light inside to make the trailer
look more inviting - I always open as many of the front doors,
windows, ramps etc. as possible, to get more light inside.
I recently did a tour of Newmarket, the main racing town in the
UK, and one of the things I noticed was that nearly every stable
yard, auction room and the racecourse all had specially built loading
pens. These have fences either side, just the width of a horsebox, and
are at the same level as the floor of a box, so that the horse just
walks straight in as if it was going into a stable. I think they
are a great idea - I'm all for anything which makes life easier,
but I suppose it's a bit too much trouble to go to, to build one just
for your own horse!
Good Luck, anyway.
Alison
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632.8 | course you still gotta unload em | NOETIC::KOLBE | An Imp of Perversity | Mon Jun 27 1988 18:39 | 12 |
| < yard, auction room and the racecourse all had specially built loading
< pens. These have fences either side, just the width of a horsebox, and
< are at the same level as the floor of a box, so that the horse just
< walks straight in as if it was going into a stable. I think they
< are a great idea - I'm all for anything which makes life easier,
< but I suppose it's a bit too much trouble to go to, to build one just
< for your own horse!
That's just like the cattle loaders on cattle ranches. I've seen those all
my life and never thought of using them for horse. Now if I could just get the
barn I'm at to build one! liesl
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632.9 | How about when there's none available?? | GENRAL::BOURBEAU | | Tue Jun 28 1988 10:37 | 7 |
| Loading ramps are great,,but if your horse get used to loading
with one,won't you potentially have trouble loading him when you
don't have one; like after a trail ride??
Just a thought,
George
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632.10 | Self-Loading | CHOWDA::HGORDON | | Fri Jul 15 1988 15:32 | 79 |
| All of the above suggestiona are good but remember:
1. You don't want to get on in front of him. If he decides
to rush forward you have no place to go.
2. What do you do when you don't have a wall or another person
handy to help you with long lead-lines through windows, or with
a butt rope or straightening out the horse to go on straight?
The best thing you can do to help yourself is to teach your horse
to self-load on a two-horse trailer and then switch him over to
a single. Now you ask how do I teach him to self load? It's really
not too bad if you set the proper foundation.
The first thing is to teach him to mave away from a long whip,or
switch. In other words when you tap him on his rump you want him
to step forward calmly. You can do this next to a fence. Put him
next to the fence, you stand at about his shoulder and then tap
him with the whip until he takes a step forward. Don't ever hit
him hard, you don't want to upset him just irritate him enough to
get him to move away.
You can also be working on leading him into the two-horse as often
as possible. Load him up, give him his reward, make him stand there
a couple minutes and the unload him again. Then load him right
back in again. Do this a few times each session until loading becomes
automatic.
Once you have these two steps accomplished the real fun begins.
I recommend you do this when you are alone, and have plenty of
time and are in the mood. In other words set yourself up for success.
I would also make sure you horse is comfortable, no flies, it's
not near feeding time and there'not a bunch of distractions. Again,
you are still using the two-horse.
Put some kind of reward in the trailer, grain and hay is best.
Then lead you horse up to it. Stop him at the bottom of the ramp
put the leadrope over his neck so hecan't trip on it and then tap
him with the whip and ask him to go forward. Don't make a big deal
out of it. He will eventually get tired of you tapping him and
he'll step forward. Don't expect him to go all the way on. He'll
probably take a few steps and then back up. That's ok. Line him
up again and ask him again. Use your voice a lot for praise and
encouragement. Keep at it, eventually he'll get on further and
further until he sticks his nose in the hay and grain. The hay
and grain should be where he can only get when he is standing in
the proper hauling position. When he's finally on, do up the rump
bar or chain, go to the front do up his head, then do up the ramp.
Now you ask how do I get him off. The same way you got him on.
Off-line you teach him to back to your voice. When he backs up
with reasonable reliability you're ready. Remember he knows how
to back out of the two-horse, he just needs to learn how to do it
when your not in front of him. To self-unload, put the ramp down,
undo his head and throw the lead-line over his neck, go to the back.
Now this is important, do not undo the rump-bar if he is touching
it. Make him step up and get off it. You don't want him backing
out of there untilyou're ready. Ok, put down the rump-bar and ask
him to back. He'll probably try to figure out why the hell you're
back there, then he'll take a couple steps. Again he may go forward
but don't worry. Keep asking him and he'll do it. If you want
someone in front can get him started as long as you have a patient
friend who will help you do it your way.
The first day one trip on and off is enough. After that you could
load him a couple times each session until you're comfortable.
Yes this will take time. However when you're done you are independent
of outside props.
The final step is to load in the single. Any horse calm enough
to self-load in a two-horse will go into a single. Just make sure
that the single is tall enough and wide enough for him.
I have re-trained a mare who refused to load and unload because
of a trailer accident to self-load. And all the other horses on
my farm load this way. I go where I want when I want with any of
my horses including my stallion and never worry about wether they
will load.
Good luck!
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632.11 | don't let frustration make you careless | NOETIC::KOLBE | The diletante debutante | Tue Aug 02 1988 15:31 | 12 |
| I give a deffinate second to the advice to not get in front of
your horse when you put them in a trailer. My girlfriend and I
were having trouble loading my mare (we were taking her brand new
trailer out for it's maiden voyage). I was getting rather frustrated
and stood in front of miss Taffy expecting to step out the side
escape hatch and pull the lead when she just suddenly jumped right
in the trailer. Thank god she's a sweet girl and can stop on dime
or she would have mashed me into the wall. She avoided even stepping
on me but I'm not going to press my luck and do it this way again.
I really like this self loading idea. Now I just have to work on
my patience to practice it. liesl
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632.12 | another concept | TWEED::PORTER | | Wed Aug 03 1988 10:00 | 39 |
| re. 626.10
I have been to two clinics that involved teaching your horse to
load and the basic idea behind the instructors theory is similar
to that as described in note 626.10.
The way I have been taught and the way I have trained my horses
is to stand them at the bottom of the ramp and tap them lightly
on the rump until they look into the trailer, stop and praise them.
When they look away from the trailer tap them again. When they
look back at the trailer stop and praise them. Next ask them to
take a step forward, if they shy away or look away tap harder.
As each step of the training is successfully accomplished lead the
horse away for a minute and start over. The theory behind this
is that each time the horse focuses on the trailer or moves toward
the trailer you reward them by stopping the tapping. The trailer
then becomes a safe place for the horse because they realize that
moving away or moving their concentration away will make the tapping
start over again.
This is a very difficult concept to describe in words, but I have
seen it work on horses who have had accidents in trailers and refuse
to load to the point where they can become dangerous.
Using this training concept I can stand at the bottom of my trailer
ramp, loop the lead over my horses back, let go and they will all
walk into the trailer by themselves very calmly.
Whatever your training method I agree that the most important thing
is to teach a horse to load and trailer before that day arrives.
Just an additional note: The horse I mentioned that was dangerous
to load, after 1/2 hour of this training I saw this horse load by
itself, back out onto the ramp calmly, turn around (never stepping
off the ramp) and back into the trailer, all of this with nothing
but hand signals and voice commands. "I'm a believer"
Karen
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632.13 | Thanks! | USADEC::GILL | | Wed Aug 10 1988 16:21 | 19 |
| Thank you all. Metrik will load into a two horse, although trailering
is still not his favorite thing to do. He has done is so few times
and the times he did in the begining ment that he was never coming
back to the farm so he learned to be wary of trailer appearances.
Since then we have gone to a few shows and back again, much to his
relief, so trailering is getting better. At one show I had no stall
except the trailer so he had to get in and out all day. I did find
that he would load very readily if the center partition was moved
out of the way some.
I will teach him to self load. My old mare did, for me anyway.
(I discovered that her previous owner could never get her in a trailer,
but could get her in water, I could load her in the trailer but
not go through water without a fight... figure that one out.) Anyway,
with a single horse trailer he will have to learn to self load anyway
because I can't get in there with him.
Thanks again, and happy trailering to all.
Stephanie
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