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584.1 | <Highly silly horse!> | KERNEL::CHEWTER | | Wed May 11 1988 11:55 | 28 |
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Talking of highly strung, my palamino mare is such a wimp! She will
walk and behave very well until a blade of grass looks like it might
bite her or the wind rustles a bush. We then shoot either 180 degrees
away from the monster, or four feet directly upwards! I have mastered
the art of staying in the saddle, although last week ended up on
her neck in fits of laughter after she jumped at something whilst
we were going downhill. She used to have an aversion to bright
blue plastic bags that farmers leave lying about, but I managed to
de-sensitise her to those after shutting her in the yard, waving
one about and gradually bringing it closer to her until she would
sniff it. Trouble is, I can't do that for everything she comes
across. Surprisingly, she is good in traffic and lives on a farm
so she's used to tractors and noise, she's never been given any
reason to be nervous since I've had her. I even (eventually) managed
to get her past a kennel full of barking dogs. I'm sure I ride her in
a relaxed manner (hence landing on her neck!) so I don't think I
pysche her up. The latest thing was when she spied a vicious looking
shadow of a horse creeping up beside her! Ok, it's funny to see
this big animal jump in the air and almost hear her saying "EEEEEEK!!"
at a puddle, but it could be dangerous in the wrong situation. She's
a little better when out with my friend and her pony, who is bombproof,
But on her on she's such a baby. (She's six by the way)
Any ideas?? Or will I just have to accept it as her - take it or leave
it?
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584.2 | < WOOPS! SORRY!> | KERNEL::CHEWTER | | Wed May 11 1988 11:57 | 6 |
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That last reply was from me, Karen Pewter, not Jayne! She did her
note at my terminal and I forgot to go back to my account! Just
in case you thought she had a herd of nervous animals!
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584.3 | Some things that helped me | BUGCHK::DINGEE | Julie Dingee, VAX Forms Development | Wed May 11 1988 12:00 | 24 |
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Yup, I've been there! These are some of the things that
helped me with Ray...
1. He didn't like the stable manager at the barn he was
being boarded at, and she didn't like him! After I
brought him to my own house, he calmed down some.
2. SOURCE!! You hear it in the ads but it's true. It does
change their attitude; but I have no idea why. He's now
more like a pet than livestock!
3. T.E.A.M. - Tellington-Jones Equine Awareness Method. It's
not really a massage, but you do these little 'finger-rubs'
on your horse in places where he's tense, and some of those
places just relax him in general, e.g. ears and forehead.
You can get tapes on this, or sometimes this notes file
announced where/when there are seminars.
4. Lots of exercise; we did 3-5 hour rides on weekends, and
a few times a week we went out for an hour or so.
Sometimes, ANY hot food is too much. Good luck with her! I know
what it's like...
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584.4 | My Encounters | MEIS::SCRAGGS | | Wed May 11 1988 12:14 | 16 |
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My QH mare was so strange. She would be an absolute Pig in the
ring. I mean, you could do anything to her and she wouldn't move.
In the Field she'd be better, a bit excited, but she would move
much more freely and with more enthusiasm, I attributed this to
being ring sour, but take her on a trail or the road and forget
it! She would prance sideways - back and forth, back up, jump up,
rear, buck, kickout at cars and pin her ears. I don't know what
her reasoning for all this was, but there was NEVER a time that
she did not do this and walk forward quietly. The mare is now on
a breeding lease. She's being ridden lightly and taken on some
trails, but thankful that the person likes her this way!!!! I
hated it.
Marianne
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584.5 | Don't give up hope | USRCV1::MACEACHERND | | Wed May 11 1988 13:50 | 20 |
| My wife and I have a mare that acted as your mare does. We went
to a friend who teaches here in Syracuse, N.Y. for help.
He started back with the basics of leading the mare around the ring
and being firm, but gentle. After the mare was walking quietly,
he had us riding her at a walk until she was quiet.
After about three weeks the mare quieted down and after four weeks
she was trotting quietly, stopping easily, and walking by the scarry
doors and windows, in the riding ring with no problem.
Beside the back to basics approach, he also believes that the rider
must have quiet and consistent aids. He teaches Hunt seat and wants
his students to use a lot of seat and minimal leg and hands. My
mare requires very little strength in the riders hands, now that
we have her use to the seat and leg aids.
I hope this helps. And don't be sceptical, like I was, starting
from the basics will get your horse comfortable with you and confident
of herself. This should quiet her down
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584.6 | Grain Protein Content | TWEED::PORTER | | Wed May 11 1988 13:56 | 10 |
| I went through a similar situation with our Standardbred. He would
be totally uncontrollable if he was not being ridden on a regular
basis.
What worked for us was to switch his grain from charger to Trotter.
Trotter being a pelleted feed with a lower protein content. I beleive
a combination of the two, lower protein and regular excercise have
turned our hyper horese into a happy horse.
Good luck........Karen
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584.7 | Don't give up hope part 2 | USRCV1::MACEACHERND | | Wed May 11 1988 13:58 | 5 |
| I also forgot to sign my name and to note my normal node
The name is Dave and the node is KAPRI::
I hope my experiences help you.
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584.8 | Self Fulfilling Prophecy? | SMAUG::GUNN | | Wed May 11 1988 14:49 | 12 |
| While the previous replies contain good advice, I have observed that,
in some cases, the rider makes a high strung horse worse. The rider
anticipates that the horse is going to act up, and tenses. The horse
feels the rider tense "obviously in fear" so panics and spooks at the
least excuse.
A great deal of calmness is required on the part of the rider.
Sometimes the trick is to do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING when the horse acts up.
After being slowly, calmly and consistently reintroduced to whatever it
sppoked at, the horse learns that it is expending a lot of energy for
no purpose.
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584.9 | | CSC32::M_HOEPNER | | Wed May 11 1988 15:22 | 16 |
| I had a wonderful gelding who normally was just about bullet-proof
when it came to spooking. However, when he was FRESH he would jump
at shadows, blades of grass, etc.
And generally it was best to not make a fuss when he did spook.
If I fussed then he thought, "You think this was good, then watch
THIS!" So I learned to just sit quietly, keep my legs on him to
keep him from moving TOO far to the side and keep right on going.
I found that lunging him for 20 minutes or so at a trot and canter (he
was really fit) would make a leisurely trail ride a lot more enjoyable.
Or I could take him out and plan on trotting and cantering for the
first 20 to 30 minutes. Then walk. Then he was more subdued (for
him).
Mary Jo
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584.10 | Is she really frightened? | GENRAL::BOURBEAU | | Wed May 11 1988 16:07 | 16 |
| I had a Morgan mare who acted like these spooks. It took me
a while to realize that ,in her case, it was a game. She wasn't
really scared,but when things got too boring and quiet,she spooked
at the first thing that came into view. I finally took the tack
of making the spooky thing more boring than the ride. When she
spooked at something, I made her stand there and face the thing
until she would start to fidget to get going again, then I'd ask
her to go toward the thing until her nose bumped it. At first this
routine took about fifteen minutes. After a few weeks of this,the
incidents became much less frequent and took less time . After a
few months there was no more spooking. They're all different,so
this may not help you,but I thought I'd pass it along for what it's
worth.
George
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584.11 | my horses name is cillie (cil) | BAUCIS::MATTHEWS | i mite b blonde but i'm not stupid! | Wed May 11 1988 16:18 | 21 |
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i agree with the last replies, just ignore it, act like you could
care less, and act like you didnt see it.
i have a mare that gets flighty, and when shes in season she gets
down right studdy..shes not a mean mare, just always thinking of
things to get around other things.(shes always trying to tell me
she found a better way to do it ;^)) anyway i'm starting my show
season this weekend and i had three weeks to get ready.
what i did was put her on the lunge line and work the heck out of
her. shes now up to an hour on the lunge line and i ride her an
hour also....that mare is goin so good...
i think the magic is to work the playfulness/hypherness out of out
them and get them tired...
i look at it this way the money that you spend on them, giving you
1 or two hours of work isnt goin to kill them.
wendy.
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584.12 | Another hyper one | CHGV04::LEECH | DTN:474-2338 Chicago, Ill. ACI | Thu May 12 1988 12:42 | 34 |
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I too have a mare that tends to be hyper. When I got just about
a year ago you could lead her and that was about it. It took me
about 6 months to get her broke to the saddle and going on a regular
basis. I NEVER hit her with anything other than my hand and then
only once to get her attention. If you even show her a whip she
gets very violent and will rear and kick. To get along with her
I have to take everything slow and easy and let her figure out whats
going on and then she is fine. Even now every time that I ride
her (4-5 nights a week) I have to lunge her for a half hour and
then ride her at a walk for another untill she is ready to settle
down and concentrate on the lesson. The key with her is to stay
relaxed and calm no matter what she does. No screaming, hitting
or retaliation no matter what she does. I rode her on Tuesday and
there were some barrels out in the arena that she wanted to spook
at. We went by them several times and I accted as if it was no
big deal, just another object. By the third time around she was
ignoring them just like she had seen them every day. I doubt if
she will ever spook at them again. If I had beat on her to get
close to them she would have associated them beating with the barrels
and would have been scared of them the rest of her life.
I forgot to mention that she is a 4 y.o. TB and was abused before
I got her. They used to beat her when she wanted to stop and look
at things before going on. She is very head shy and it sometimes
takes an hour to put her halter on when she is in the stall. I
have times when I wounder if all this is worth it but I know that
if I give up and just sell her she could end up at the killers.
Can't let that happen as she is really a very nice girl if you let
her think first instead of react.
Pat
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584.13 | Pleasure is in the eye of the owner | CIVIC::WINBERG | | Thu May 12 1988 16:52 | 5 |
| I had a mare like that and finally bit the bullet sold her (to
someone who was looking for that kind of mare), and got myself
something more suited to me and my needs.
I wanted a pleasure horse; a pleasure she wasn't.
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584.14 | < BATTLEGROUND> | KERNEL::PEWTER | | Fri May 13 1988 07:16 | 17 |
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Thanks for your ideas. I am going to try lunging my mare for a
while before I next take her out, but I am a bit worried because
she gets bored so easily. And when she's bored she starts playing
up. Still, I'll give it a go. With regard to .13, I have never beaten
her up, but have used a crop gently to reinforce aids when necessary.
However, recently she played up, was being downright stubborn
and would not do as she was told so I used the whip on her shoulder
harder than I usually do. This made her even worse and I could
see she was getting ready for a full blown fight. I decided not
to use the crop again and we eventually got home. Maybe she was
ill treated before I got her, but she has had almost a year of love
and care so she should be getting over her past now. Anyway, I'll
battle on and keep you posted!
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584.15 | RE.12 | SEQUEL::GREGG | | Mon May 16 1988 17:13 | 19 |
| RE.12
Hi Pat,
I watched my neighbor go through the same thing as you are. There
is HOPE! This girl has a 16.2 hand Appy and was very high strung
when she bought him 3 years ago. The first year was very hard and
I could not bring a lunge whip into my field without this horse
going crazy. (Our fences join) Her second year was a lot better
and this year the horse isn't the same at all. When she rides in
the field she can lay back (not wise) on him as he walks around.
They are the best of friends now and she can get him to do almost
anything. He does not shy as much and will proceed on when asked.
This horse used to be a rodeo horse and by the looks of the scares
I would say he was whiped!
I wish you the best of LUCK Pat, An abused horse is hard to calm
down but IT CAN BE DONE!
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584.16 | Keep at it! | ATLAST::KELLY | Esse quam videri | Mon May 23 1988 11:36 | 33 |
| I have a high strung Appaloosa gelding. In my case, it is a combination
of a nutty horse and operator error. The horse is extremely athletic, and
very willing, but sometimes he'd get into a mood where he'd be
fidgety and jumpy, throwing his head back, and finally just put his head
down and RUN like there was no tommorrow (we were clocked at 40+ mph on
one of these escapades). Not a good situation for an extremely inexperienced
rider like myself. So, without much hesitation, I took myself and
the horse to a pro for straightening out.
She used a two pronged approach. For the horse, she made sure that the horse
understood the basic cues that we were using. She did a lot of ground
work in a lunging ring, then progressed to riding in the lunging ring,
then to larger and larger rings. Meanwhile, for me, she started putting
me on my horse in the lunging ring and spent hours getting me to stop
given inconsistent and/or conflicting cues. (This instruction, incidently,
was included as part of the horse's training fee.) She worked me on my
horse and on one of her well trained horses to get me to understand
what to do, and how to do it.
The result is that the horse is more confident because he now understands
what I am asking, and I am more confident because I have learned to look
and listen to the horse and anticipate problems before they occur. Now
the horse is back at home and doing very well. We still have progress to
make (for instance, we still have not cantered outside of a ring). But,
he is much more confident in himself and in me.
I imagine if I was showing, I would probably have gotten another horse
because it has taken alot of time to get him turned around. But, I use
him only for pleasure riding and, well, I like him. To me, it is well
worth the investment of my time and energy to get him turned around.
I guess it makes us both feel like we've accomplished something!
/ed
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584.17 | My brave Horse. | KERNEL::PEWTER | | Tue May 24 1988 12:13 | 33 |
| Just an update for note number 584.
My 'highly strung' mare Shadow has had a very nasty accident!!!
She got her hind legs caught in some barbed wire and tore the
tendons in both legs. The vet recommeded that she be put down but
a tendon specialist said it may not be necessary. He suggested
we give a week or so to see if she improved. The good news is that
she has. It has taken a lot of work, changing bandages twice a
day, washing with salt water and re-bandaging etc. When the accident
first happened her back legs kept collapsing, but now with VERY
good support from the bandages she walks very normal. (In fact
you'd never know anything was wrong with her.) Without the bandages
she is very unsteady. Her fetlocks keep wanting to fall forward.
The wounds look very nasty indeed, as her skin has shrunk alot,
but she is so brave and lets us clean the wounds thoroughly. It
looks very promising so far. My only concern is how are these very
open wounds going to dry up and heal properly whilst she needs pads,
bandages etc for support at all times.
The vet has told me if she recovers she will be O.K. I know she
is not in much pain and is her normal self. And basically she walks
so well. In the last couple of days she has stumbled but not fallon
on her fetlocks this is a very GOOD SIGN ISN'T IT?
P.S I'm Jayne Chewter not Karen Pewter.
Regards
Jayne
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584.18 | Jittery mare!! | REGENT::GARROW | | Tue Jan 21 1992 16:53 | 17 |
| This is the first winter with my new mare (got her in June 1991) for
the past 3 or 4 weeks she seems jittery.....spooking easily, very
nervous when we enter the stall.
I think it's because I feed sweet feed in the winter. I believe they
need extra calories to keep them warm. No she's not blanketed and has
a woolly coat.
OR...it could be because I don't ride in the really cold months, or a
combinations of the above.
Any ideas??? Should I go back to feeding pellets and cut out the sweet
feed. They have plenty of water and I have a heated water tank.
Can't wait til spring!!!! to start riding again.
Caryl
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584.19 | More hay and less sweet feed? | DECWET::JDADDAMIO | Admire spirit in horses & women! | Tue Jan 21 1992 17:19 | 22 |
| Her jitters could be due to lots(?) of sweet feed coupled with
less exercise. I assume she's at least getting some turn-out and/or
lungeing?
They do need extra calories for warmth in the winter BUT we always
increase their HAY to provide the calories. We do so for two reasons:
1) It gives them something to do because it takes longer to eat than grain
and 2) I read somewhere years ago that the digestion of hay generated
more body heat than the digestion of grain. Kinda like the old saying
about using wood for heat warmed you several times...
In fact, our horses get only timothy hay and a small ration of bran mash in
winter. The mash is 2 coffee cans of bran & 1 coffee can of sweet feed
plus chopped carrots. Mix w/ enough hot water to wet it down but still
have a fluffy texture. We split that between 3 horses! They each get
supplements mixed into it because we're in a selenuim deficient area.
Actually,the supplements are the main reason we feed the mash at all!
If the horse were jittery ALL the time, I'd suggest a Vitamin B1(aka
Thiamine) supplement. We started using one of them a couple months ago
for one of ours. I was skeptical but it seems to have helped. The horse
is more relaxed and less cranky.
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584.20 | | BOOVX1::MANDILE | Always carry a rainbow in your pocket | Tue Jan 21 1992 17:25 | 5 |
| She also could have been frightened by something
while in her stall.....(someone wacked the outside wall?
Another horse lunged at her, kicked at her...????)
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584.21 | ex | DECWET::JDADDAMIO | Admire spirit in horses & women! | Tue Jan 21 1992 18:51 | 13 |
| That's a good point. It could be something unrelated to feed. That's
why I hedged before and said it could be the comob of the two. It could
be something frightened her or made her nervous and is continuing do
so. It might not even be something you think is scary.
For example, we have a mare who is very calm around the barn.
One day I went to get her and she was a nervous wreck. I couldn't
figure it out...until a stray cat came walking across the
rafters...Actually, I didn't figure it out at all the mare SHOWED me
what the problem was. She jumped and snorted but as soon as the cat
moved on she was fine. (We don't have any cats so I don't think she had
never seen one before)
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584.22 | never though of that!! | REGENT::GARROW | | Wed Jan 22 1992 08:45 | 16 |
| Thanks for the info....I'll cut down on her sweet feed. she's somewhat
high strung.
She's always been lively in the corrall, chasing the gelding, but this
is definitely different....much more so. Since I live in the woods, we
have deer, coyote, and fox around and I have seen foxes go through the
corrall. Maybe this is her first encounter with them. I know we have
a coyote in out woods cause we've seen him when we're out riding....so
if you see one you know there more....I really never gave this angle
a thought.. Plus there's more houses and the deer have moved into the
woods and we see them alot.
She has constant turn out and loves to run and play so I know she's
getting exercise. She keeps my gelding in line!!
Caryl
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584.23 | ex | ABACUS::FULTZ | | Thu Jan 23 1992 15:14 | 18 |
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I always cut down on my grain the winter - not enough
hard work for her to get it out of her system.
I don't want her taking it out on me when I start riding
again.
I usally start increasing the feed when she starts getting
ridden more.
My last mare I had to keep her on pellets most of the time
during the winter because she would get wacko with any
kind of sweet feed. But when summer came and she needed the
extra boost I would put it in.
Best of luck.. (sounds like a great place to own a horse).
Donna
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584.24 | | CARTUN::MISTOVICH | | Fri Jan 24 1992 11:55 | 3 |
| The cold weather probably has a lot to do with it.
Mary
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