Conference noted::equitation

    Generally its not a good idea to get a suede seat because it will
    help you to stay in the saddle, and you will have a harder time
    developing a good seat.  Suede (or leather) knee patches are not 
    really large enough to keep you in the saddle, and are mainly 
    just for reinforcement.
    
    I tend to shy away from real suede or leather though, as they are
    difficult to wash.  Both will stiffen and crack if washed in a machine,
    so must be either dry cleaned or hand washed.  Synthetic suede or
    cloth patches are more practical, and are generally cheaper as well.
    
    Joan
    

    A full leather seat does provide some extra "sticking" power, but
    in the end (no pun intended) it is your balance that will keep you
    in the saddle.  I really don't think that a full leather seat keeps
    a rider in the saddle any more than stirrups do, or the horn on
    a western saddle.
    
    After saying the above however, I will also say that a full leather
    seat makes me feel more secure psychologically, so maybe I contradict
    myself!
    
    If a beginner works with an instructor and does a lot of riding without
    stirrups, I think the balance will come with or without the leather
    seat.

    While we're on the topic of riding pants...
    
    Just got Phelan's summer catalog.  Has anyone tried the riding tights?
    They are similar to running tights - very form-fitting.  They come
    in 2 versions, one with knee patches and one with full seat.  I
    think the patches and seat are made of ultrasuede.  I think they
    are priced $50-ish.
    
    They look really comfortable.  They are designed for ride-and-tiers,
    but I think they'd be nice for summer training.
    

    For those who have breeches with leather insets, try hand-washing
    them in Woolite.  I have had success with this method.  (Haven't
    tried it with Eurostar's, however.)
    
    Mary_Jo_whose_saddle_suit_jodpurs_are_leather_lined

    I hand wash my breeches with suede knee patches in soap flakes,
    and they come up fine.  I think they are probably all right as long
    as you don't use detergent.
    
    Helen.

	Geez, it took me two years to get enough nerve to wear breeches
	in public (I felt exposed) and now they have tights!!! What that
	must look like from behind if you aren't a perfect bod! liesl

    I'd love to have leather-seated breeches (especially for xc!) Also,
    I have always washed all my breeches (leather knee or just material)
    in the washing machine with no problem; the leather stays pliable
    and soft and has yet to crack (some pairs 10 years old...) but,
    I do use Woolite or one of the Amway products (can't remember the
    name)
    
    Good luck,
    
    Linda

    My leather seated breeches tend to be a bit warm in the summer.
    They can be  especially uncomfortable at an all_day_ride_6_horses
    type show.  They are nice for XC  (Every little bit helps).  The
    hunter folks have taken to applying what looks like glue to their
    saddles and seat inserts.  Seems a little excessive.
    
    I'd be sure of the fit when purchasing them.  The view from behind
    can be, umm, inellegant if the seat is too loose.
    

     if you wash them in the washer, also use downy for the rinse.
    you should have no problem.
    
     i throw all my chaps in the washer, wash seperately of course.
    and i just downy and the have never stiffened on me at all.
    i also throw them in the dryer.
    i have had no porblems.
    beats paying 30 or so to have them cleaned, plus they ruined
    a custom pair of chaps on me.
    i had to take sand paper and had to take off the top layer and washed
    them myself, finally got them back to orginal color.
    you might want to try it on an old pair.
    i have three pairs of english breeches and do the same with them.
    	wendy o'
    

    
    I was my Harry Hall's and my Eurosports in the washer all the
    time. Only problem I've had is with my beige breeches coming out
    rust because I was silly enough to wash them together - I won't
    do that again.
    
    The current rage with the horsemanship kids is the taylor sportsmen
    breeches. They are made of two-way strecth instead of 4 way and
    they are baggy. I thought great, something to hide my large thighs,
    however without the 4 way strecth I couldn't get them over my
    large calves. (I know all riders are suppose to be bean poles but
    what can I do).
    
    Nancy
    

    The real fashion plates here are wearing the baggy breeches with
    pleats in front. Pretty, but i look about 6 months pregnant in them.
    
    -maureen
    

    Has anyone tired the new "field pants"??? I was looking at britches
    the other day and came across these field pants which look like
    the pants that were worn YEARS ago (ie cavalry pants). The neat
    thing about them is that they are baggie (cotton) and look like they might
    be cooler than the tight, polyester britches in summer for just
    hacking around. I've seen as few people riding in them but didn't
    know if any noters had tried them... what do you think?

    Does anyone know what brands of britches run VERY LONG? I'm 6/5"
    and have very long legs. I'm having an incredibly hard time finding
    anything that is long enough to get up over my hips so they wil
    stay up!!! Any suggestions would be appreciated.......Thanks

    I have a friend who also has that same problem of being 6'5" or
    so. Not only does he have problems with britches but boots. 
    Unfortunately, he solved his problem by having britches made 
    just for him. The same with his boots.
    
    If you're not interested in showing or hunting, for his spare pair
    of riding boots, he had a leathersmit (?) sew a 3" or so strip of
    leather to the top of his boots. They looked just like the riding
    boots that the master of the hunt wears (black witha brown strip
    on top). 
    
    Have you looked at Dover's in Wellsley or gone through the Miller's
    catalog?
    
    					Cindy
    

    I'll tell you one thing, they look ALOT more flattering than the
    current style! Miller's has now come out with their own brand of
    that style. They run about $60 compare to other's which run around
    $160 (check Dover's - the brand starts with a P).
    Being someone who doesn't look her best in britches, I'm thrilled
    that the style is starting to come back. Hopefully I can find a
    pair soon.
    				Cindy
    

    I have a pair of britches which I bought a few years back.  I got
    them at the Horseman's Exchange in Wayland.  They haven't got the
    full flair but they still flair out from the thighs enough to not
    bind while riding.  They were very comfortable for the short time
    (1.5) years that I wore them.  They're certainly not tight like
    the stretch type.  You might try them.  I'll try to get the number
    for you and reply to this note later.

    I have had the best luck with Eurostar britches.  I am 5' 6" but I
    still need a long size.  There is nothing worse than britches with
    the crotch at your knees.  I also like Harry Hall, but they are not 
    easy to find.  Both are fairly expensive, but well worth it.  I get
    mine through Miller's Catalog.  The Eurostars come in a variety of
    weight material and of course full leather seat or leather just down
    the inside of the legs, leather knee patches and self patches.  I
    like the 4-way stretch leather knee patch type, they are around $135.
     
                                          Wendy

    Anyone try out the jeans w/ the leather chaps already
    in them?  I went to Stateline Tack (NH) Friday, and
    bought myself a pair!  I really love them!  These are
    made by Millers, and were on sale for almost 1/2 price....
    
    
    Lynne

Hi,

I haven't tried the jeans with chaps built in, but I did just get
a new pair of riding 'leggings'.  They're put out by On-Course/Kerrits
and they are wonderful!  Just cool enough and they aren't see through
like the Miller's schooling tights that I bought a year ago.

Also, they're large enough to fit those of us that wouldn't *dare*
send in a picture to George Morris' Jumping Clinic in Practical Horseman.

They're not too bad in price either.

Jan

    I have a pair...I live in them.   I stopped riding 5 years ago and
    just started again in January.  Needless to say, I put on about 40
    pounds and my custom chaps weren't too thrilled about being zipped
    up.  And since my custom boots also didn't fit and I didn't have the
    money to go get new chaps, I bought a pair of them to try.  
    
    They are comfortable and great to ride in.  I thought I might have
    problems with them riding up but they don't. 
    
    

    Hi again,
    
    I've been riding in plain jeans, and I'm discovering (painfully) that I
    need something that fits a tad tighter, to avoid the amazing burns I'm
    gettin on the inside of my thighs as I learn how to post.  I recently
    lost about 50 lbs and these jeans were purchased about halfway thru the
    weight loss, so they are fairly loose.  
    
    I ride in what I guess would equate to paddock boots - they're actually
    LL Beans engineers boots so they don't come up quite as high as the
    paddock boots I've seen.  
    
    People have mentioned schooling sweats - and the very tight fit of
    breeches.  What are you folks wearing nowaways?  Are knee patches
    desirable for someone re-learning how to ride?  How tight do the pants
    have to fit to avoid the chafing?  
    
    Thanks!
    Dana

    Jeans in the saddle? Ugh!  That can be a pain for even the most 
    experienced of riders.  Putting chaps over them will help, but for
    extended periods of time I find nothing more comfy than those schooling
    sweats.  I love them!  They are comfy, do not chafe, do not cling, and
    absorb sweat away from your body.  I wear chaps over them in all but
    the hottest of weather.  I hate the clingy feeling of breeches, they
    only ones I've ever found that I liked were 100% cotton with no knee
    patches (which, on me tend to bunch up)...but they were considerably
    more expensive than schooling sweats.  On my feet I have several comfy
    pairs of hiking-style boots (actually, they are mens safety shoes from
    DEC's own shoe truck!). Once broken in, they're great.  I don't like
    and only rarely wear conventional riding boots....too hot, don't fit
    well with chaps, and I feel guilty getting mud on them considering
    how much they cost. :-)
    

    
    Dana,  I like to ride in schooling breechers alot, but when I finally
    broke down and spent the $40-$60 for a good pair - I wore them out
    quickly - so now I ride in stirrup pants.  I bought them at Walmart
    for $5!  I bought 10 pairs and they have lasted me all summer.
    
    For winter I wear stirrup-sweats, also from Walmart - another good
    buy lastmonth for $5, so I picked up matching sweat tops, also for $5.
    
    I do wear my schooling pants for hunter/pace - organized trail rides
    and my lessons - but for everday - I like to wear what ever is
    comfy and cheep!
    
    Lou

    I can't ride in jeans....the seams kill my knees and thighs (in fact I
    think I still have 2 quarter sized rub marks from 2 years ago).
    
    My favorite riding pants are the black Millers 90-something % cotton,
    with lycra.  There is a less expensive breech, and a more expensive
    breech, and the more expensive one fits better.  They are about $60
    or so.  Sure they are expensive, but I'm comfortable...especially when doing
    all that posting w/out stirrups!   I also find that they hold up a bit
    better that the less expensive ones.  
                                                              
    I've never tried the sweats, they look comfy, but they also look too
    loose for me, and loose stuff always bunches up on me resulting in
    discomfort.  I did get a pair of the polar-tech fleece breeches which are 
    wicked warm and very nice to ride in the winter.
    
    I love my bean boots, but they are too hot use in the warmer weather.
                                                                              
    

    >I can't ride in jeans....the seams kill my knees and thighs
    
    Bingo! It's not baggy pants that hurts. It's the *&^)(&*% seams. 
    Anything with a fairly smooth seam or with a seam that doesn't
    run straight down the leg from groin to ankle will be OK.
    
    In mild weather, I normally wear cotton breeches because 
    	1. I hate stretch fabrics
    	2. most man-made fabrics are too hot and too slippery. 
    
    In cold weather, ordinary breeches don't keep you warm enough.
    At that point, I use the "layered method" and wear "long underwear"
    plus either flannel lined jeans or wool pants(both available from LL
    Bean, BTW). Both have fairly smooth seams and the other layer protects
    you somewhat. I've tried a number of combinations where the "long
    underwear" was one or more of the following:
    	1. ordinary breeches
    	2. silk longjohns
    	3. Duo-fold 2 layer cotton longjohns
    
    Women probably have a couple other options like pantyhose(couldn't
    bring myself to go into a store and ask for some big enough to fit me ;-)
    and the rider's longjohns that many tack catalogs carry(women's sizes
    only...guess us guys are supposed to be too "rugged" or something to
    need winter underwear ;-)

    ...just to clarify - I'm using LL Beans engineers boots, not the wicked
    warm and comfy ll bean maine guide boots (or whatever they're called
    that have the rubber bottoms and the leather tops!).  I *do* have a
    pair of Sorel's but I have *humongous* feet and there's be no way
    they'd make a stirrup wide enough to ride in those puppies!  When it
    starts to get really cold I'm going to have a problem with them because
    they aren't big enough to wear heavy socks in, and they're unlined. 
    But that's for another note...
    
    Dana

    ... for winter boots. I know. I have a pair. I forget what size they
    are but I can definitely get my winter boots in them. Had to get them
    because my regular stirrups weren't wide enough.

    Oh EXCELLENT!  Where'd you get them?  I've got Reynauds Syndrome and you 
    wouldn't believe how cold my feet get.  Wonder if Gerri (my instructor) 
    would mind me bringing my own pair of stirrups/leathers to class!
    It would have to be easier/cheaper to do that than try to find a pair
    of boots that fit me.
    
    Dana

I am a cold weather sufferer and for years I struggled with think wool socks and
big boots - then I discovered a new - minimal bulk combo - 1 white cotton sock (
absorbs sweat) and one light wool w/ mylar woven socket (found at a ski shop).
Wow - I felt that I had been liberated from bondage when I put this on - in 20
degree temperatures - in paddock boots! It was amazing. I wear this combo for
all my out door winter stuff now (including stall mucking and general barn work).

For breeches - I spent about $60 three years ago for a decent pair of those
cotton/lycra britches (black). I put two pair of long underwear underneath. I
wear these summer and winter (obviously sans long UW in the summer) and they are
always comfy, and the fit looks o.k. - regardless of how much I have on
underneath (that lycra/cotton fabric is amazing).

Anyway - this combo keeps me warm and horse-functional even in bitter cold.
(don't ride much in the bitter cold - but stalls have to be done regardless)

Wow..winters really comin again isn't it!  

    The most comfortable riding pants I have ever had are a pair of
    stretch denim riding jods
    from Millers.  I have worn them to shreds -- really shreds.  The
    stretch denim doesn't wear as well as regular denim.  You can tell
    how I hoist bales of hay by which spots on my pants wear out first.
    But still I got 3 riding years out of those pants.  Another plus is
    that they have that little bit of stretch so if you gain a couple of
    pounds you can still breath.  But they aren't as light weight as
    regular breeches so, for me anyway, those unsightly fat dimples don't
    show. 
    
    The other thing you REALLY NEED to invest in is a pair of underpasses.
    They are what we call geek straps.  The little elastic idiot straps for
    your pant legs that clip on and go under your boot, or sneaker or
    whatever you wear.   With geek straps I can wear any kind of pants,
    except cords, and the seams don't rub because they stay still, even
    with baggy pants.
    
    And speaking of footwear; if I'm just going sightseeing, I wear tennis
    shoes or running shoes or whatever (with my geek straps).  But if I'm
    going to work I wear jodphur boots and spurs.  I had an instructor who
    told me if you just wear a little soft sneaker, your heel signal
    doesn't come through.
    
    gwen
    

    I also have a pair of stirrups that fit with my heavy winter boots. I
    wear the boots that are made for skimobiling....monster things with
    leather uppers and 1/2 inch think 'felts' inside.  I bought extra-wide
    irons and they fit in nicely.  I wear these boots all winter...dont
    ride much, but like someone said, stalls still need to be cleaned, hay
    hauled, and water buckets carried.  The warmest things I have found
    for socks are those inexpensive silk sock liners.  Nice! They absorb
    sweat and keep your feet dry and toasty.  I also have silk glove liners
    and underthings.  I put wool socks over the liners, sweatshirt and
    jeans, and over all that a skimobile suit - heavy nylon one piece thing
    that looks positively ludicrous.  I also ride in this getup, although
    the nylon suit is slick on leather, but since my favorite saddle is
    a Wintec it's not a problem.   

    
    For summer riding, I love my "on course" riding sneekers!  For
    winter it's the "on course" boots - in winter I add the little
    hot-packs to keep me warm
    
    

    What about wearing running tights?  I sometimes wear them in the
    summertime when it's too hot to put on real breeches.  Don't they have
    those Kerrits (??) brand tights out now?
    
    I have a pair of the Millers 90% cotton, 10% lycra breeches and I like
    them also.  I'm hoping, though, that Santa brings me some new breeches
    this year..
    
    A funny story about riding in Bean Boots:
    
    I rode in my Bean boots and half-chaps for a few months last year while
    waiting for my new boots to come.  Here in Germany, everyone comes to
    their riding lessons "dressed to the nines", especially since most of
    the people don't own horses, so they have plenty of money to spend on
    the accessories.  One guy commented to me after our group lesson:
    
    	"Why are you riding in Moose-hunting boots?"
    
    
    Janet

    Last week I rode in normal sweatpants, and I was *much* more
    comfortable.  No burns, no chafing, and I didn't slide around in the
    saddle (although I was riding in a Wintec - tomorrow I'll be back in the
    leather saddle again).  Over the weekend I went to State Line Tack and
    tried on riding jeans, breeches, riding sweats, and tights.  Sure gives
    me a good reason to keep off all that weight - yikes.  You'd  have to
    have a body of Miss/Mr Olympian in order to look good in any of them.  
    
    Of everything I tried on the riding sweats and cotton/lycra breeches
    were the most comfy.  The others bagged up behind/inside my knee when I
    approximated riding position.
    
    Dana  

    
    I can't get over the high prices of riding clothes.  I mean, our
    horses are expensive enought - but now we must look the part and
    pay the price?  The spandex/lycra pants are $45-55 dollars, and
    you can get the same spandex/lycra pants just about anywhere on
    sale for $25 - the only thing they are missing is the cute little
    suede patch onthe knee's and a horse logo :-)  but I ride in my
    1/2 chaps anyway so I don't need no suede patch.
    
    They also have some horse sweats (100% cotton) that are good for riding 
    in, they have a cute little  horse head on them and they charge $40
    bucks for them at stateline (but I did get one pair onsale at stateline
    for $30) - the exact same pantis w/out the horse head was at the
    outdoor store in Maynard for $15!  They even had the same elastic
    leg's.
    
    Your also right about the size's of all the riding clothes.  They seem
    to only make clothes for tall model type people.  They have left out
    us shorties & tallies.
    
    Lou 

	I ride an average of 4 or 5 times a week, summer or winter, so I
	only ride about 1/2 hour each time; and since I have to drive an
	hour from work to the barn, I want to get ready quick - so for
	the last 3 years, I've been wearing jeans to work, then chaps over
	the jeans to ride, in the cooler weather. The seam has never bothered
	me, but I do make sure it's not inside my knee. The other secret is
	to have those chaps skin-tight over your jeans to prevent the chafing;
	and the third is to NEVER stop in the grocery store on your way home.
	The leather chaps, spurs and paddock boots invite odd stares and
	sometimes even odder characters. "I've got the rope" is one comment
	you're likely to hear.

	At any rate, there are lined riding sneaker/boots that are very warm.
	I forget the brand I have, but I've never had cold feet in them.

	And in summer it's always breeches and boots for me - it's easier to
	change in the summer, I guess, and I have all my old show breeches  
	and want to get my pennies' worth, instead of throwing them away. 

	I guess we all try lots of different things and everyone has their
	own preferences for their situation. Good luck! And if you decide on
	chaps, motorcycle shops have beautiful leather ones (but get brown -
	not the black that the motorcycle riders prefer - or get black if you
	want; I guess it's the hunter-types that "must" have brown) which you
	can have taken in. They make you feel like you're glued to the saddle,
	so if you have to do a show, do a couple of rides before it in your
	boots and breeches to get "re-used" to them.

	-julie

    Like Julie, I love my chaps, as well! I have the black, though, it's
    my favorite color - guess I've been out of the hunter circle awhile
    since I didn't know brown was the p.c. color. :-)  They can be an
    expensive purchase, but last forever it seems.  I wear mine in all but
    the hotest of summer weather. Any they can be worn over pretty much
    everything comfortably, even jeans if the jeans are the baggy types
    that have a ton of excess material.
    
    Julie - I'm the opposite of you - I'll go in the grocery store in
    riding garb anytime, but wouldn't be caught dead in any public place
    in a dress - what if I run into someone I know??!! :-) ;-)
                                       

    
    Linda I'm like you, I'll go anywear any time in my riding stuff....but
    a dress....forget it!
    
    
    I did get bagged by some co-workers once at a wedding of a cousin. 
    Apparently the wife of a co-worker worked w/ my husbands cousin, and of
    course, he had to tell everybody that I had on a dress!

    Yeah, I'd rather wear breeches than a dress too. ;-) I don't usually
    wear chaps but I really like my half chaps that I wear in winter...
    For those who don't know what they are, half chaps are like leather
    snow gaiters....For Carl who has lived all his life in warm climates
    and never had to deal with gaiters(snow gaiters not alleygaiters ;)...
    They're leather leggings which run from below the ankle to about the knee.

    
    I think you'd look great in a dress John.  :*)
    
    Lou

    I agree with Lou, Jon, you'd look great in a dress! Do us a favor and
    shave your legs first, though...;) ;)
    
    

    
    
    	I've never had the pleasure of meeting John, but I'm game for
    checkin' him out in a dress....

    Re .41
    
    How did you know I don't already shave me legs?
    
    Re .42
    
    You ain't missin anything. I wouldn't look at all good in a dress.
    'Course, I'm plain as a fence post when I'm wearing guy's clothes too
    so you're not missing anything either way.

>>    since I didn't know brown was the p.c. color. :-)  They can be an

    Oops! sorry!!  That's why I said "get any color you like" - I try to
    do these things right(pc) but I don't think anyone else should have
    to! I used to go into the grocery with them, but just got tired of
    the snide comments. I think it was the combo chaps/spurs that did it!

    I do like the black ones, a lot - and black saddles and bridles, too -
    would love to be able to find fwd seat gear that fits/is comfortable/
    is black.

     -j

	(oh, yeah...that I can afford, too!)

    
    
    Julie, 
    
    	When you say you're looking for forward seat gear in black....what
    exactly are you looking for.  Black is my favorite color (besides red)
    and all my stuff is comfy!
    
    Michele
    

    Michele, I'd really like to find a good hunt-seat (flat) jumping saddle,\
    and simple bridle/nose band and leathers in black. I don't know how it
    would go over in the hunter world, they're such sticklers, but...

    Anyhow, maybe a Crosby? I've seen black dressage saddles that are beautiful.
    
    Speaking of "pc", I just bought a pair of jodhpur britches...they have
    really puffy thighs - we'll see if I get aghast looks, but I have to wait
    til the spring. I can't do winter shows - it's too cold, windy, wet...
    
    -julie

    Can't help you there Julie, everyhting I've got is Dressage.  However, 
    I can't find an affordable black and white bridle w/out that drop or
    figure eight nose band.  I ended up calling Parry Tack and having some
    made custom for me.  For the level of showing I do, they work great,
    and that leather new makes them real shiny!
    
    I know a girl who wears cotton jodphur-like britches, they look real
    nice on her.  I considered buying a pair but they cost more than the
    Millers that I like.

    Like Sherry in .0 a "million" years ago, I am in dire need of some new
    riding breeches. I've only been to two shops so far, and found zilch --
    figured I'd try a note in here before looking any further.
    
    Can anyone in here recommend a tack shop or catalog source for mens
    breeches??  I'm 6'4", so size is one of the problems I've been running
    into so far. Style and color is not _all_ that important right now...
    
    I'm not much of a notes person, so if anyone has suggestions (and I
    hope you do!!), please send me mail at POWDML::BUCKLEY.  Many thanks
    in advance....
    
    /B
    

�      <<< Note 621.48 by POWDML::BUCKLEY "Today is the greatest day..." >>>
�                                   -< help! >-

�    Can anyone in here recommend a tack shop or catalog source for mens
�    breeches??  I'm 6'4", so size is one of the problems I've been running
�    into so far. Style and color is not _all_ that important right now...

Being unsure of gender :) (ie, was the men's requirement for gender or 
height?)...

I ride in the Miller's Equijeans.  I think I've got the 26 (largest size 
they come in) and have to fold them up about 4" - they run real long.  
They're stretchy jean material and have knee patches - and different colors 
:)
    

Re: <<< Note 621.49 by BOUVS::OAKEY "I'll take Clueless for $500, Alex" >>>

>>Being unsure of gender :) (ie, was the men's requirement for gender or 
>>height?)...

>>I ride in the Miller's Equijeans.  I think I've got the 26 (largest size 
>>they come in) and have to fold them up about 4" - they run real long.  
>>They're stretchy jean material and have knee patches - and different colors 
>>:)

Sleuthing via VTX ELF it appears that POWDML::BUCKLEY is a Bill, however
BOUVS::OAKEY's reply is equally gender-neutral, so I'll fill in that
BOUVS::OAKEY is a  Kathy, and least anyone think she's talking to herself,
PEAKS::OAKEY is a Roger. :-)

                               Roak

    38 L are a standard size in Schumakers (no way i can spell that!).
    Probably also in any of the better German brands if you don't mind
    parting with $200.00 or so.

    I found a pair of 38 L at the Equestrian Shop in Andover (or N Andover)
    in stock once and had them order my second pair.  As a standard size
    they are returnable.

    If he does not have them, ordered from the local warehouse (calif)
    takes about 2 weeks.  Otherwise it will take 8 weeks or so.  He called
    calif to see what they had in stock, so I took what was available.

    The more of us over 6', the better selection we will have, right ?

    Bill

        

    A catalog that might be of some help is Dressage Extensions
    (800)541-3708. They have a reasonable selection of men's breeches 
    
    Personally, I haven't bought any breeches in several years. The last
    ones I bought were from the now defunct Phelan's. I'd be very glad to
    find a source of similar breeches(e.g. all cotton, loose fit and long
    enough in the legs)