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| 532.1 | | SCOMAN::ROCK | | Tue Mar 22 1988 15:00 | 12 |
| HI, I HAD A PROBLEM LIKE THAT TOO....MY VET SUGGEST THAT I ADD IN
SOME EXTRA CORN TO THE HORSES DIET...IT HELPED ALOT. BUT, YOU WANT
TO AD IT IN SLOWLY....LIKE START OUT WITH A HAND FULL OR TWO AND
GO UP FROM THEIR. I BROUGHT MY HORSE UP TO A ABOUT A QUART I THINK
IT WAS PER DAY. THE OTHER THINK IS THAT YOU CAN FEED THE HORSE A
MORE COMPLETE FEED, SUCH AS TROTTER PELLETS (BLUE SEAL) OR CHARGER
ALSO A B.S. PRODUCT. THESE FEEDS ARE MADE FOR HORSES THAT CAN NOT
HAVE HAY AND SO THAT IS WHY THEY ARE A MORE COMPLETE GRAIN OT FEED.
OF COURSE THERE ARE OTHER BRANDS AND PRODUCTS OUT THERE, THESE ARE
WHAT I HAPPEN TO KNOW ABOUT.
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| 532.2 | WHY SO QUICKLY... | MILVAX::NICKERSON | | Tue Mar 22 1988 15:28 | 21 |
| Just a couple of questions?
Why does she have to come up so quickly? Is she underweight because
of growth in whch case is she really underweight and you would like
to see her look "rounder"?
Why do you think she is underweight? Are her ribs covered?
I am not trying to be picky but one person's underweight horse is
another's "right weight" horse. If they are getting all of the
necessary nuitrients then maybe she is okay.
In the years that we have been raising horses we have seen a number
of combinations. Just be careful with whatever you do. Some horses
can't take corn...makes them a lot hotter, especially when the weather
starts to get warmer; some break out in "hives", etc.
Talk to your vet and see what he/she suggests.
GOOD LUCK...
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| 532.3 | RE.2 | SEQUEL::GREGG | | Wed Mar 23 1988 08:48 | 16 |
| RE.2
I would like to add the weight but not in a great hurry. The Vet
said that the filly is underweight and she needs the weight for
proper growth and bone growth. She said to up the amount of grain
and hay and I have done that and I am just looking for ways or
additives for a healthier filly. Her ribs are covered but not with
much.
Her weight problem as I can see it is that she was not getting enough
food and water for her age and height. The people had her on 1 quart
of Sunshine pellets and 2 small flakes of hay per feeding. I now
have her on 1 1/2 Quarts Sunshine and 1 1/2 Sweet feed with 16%
protine and 2 to 3 flakes of hay per feeding. A tub full of water
and a salt lick are always available.
Would oats help?
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| 532.4 | | CIMAMT::GILL | | Wed Mar 23 1988 09:35 | 21 |
| I would be very careful about increasing grain, especially since
feeding is such a science. I would seriously go over your feeding
program with a vet - or trainer and see where you can tailor it
to the horses needs. Young horses especially need carefully controlled
intakes of calcium and phospherous to have correct development of
bones (too much of one or the other is bad) Simply throwing in
one grain or another without knowing its calcium and phospherous
ratio is likely to throw off this balance. Also, if your filly
is getting a good quality hay, is receiving a complete pelleted
feed, than a whole slew of vitamins are a waste of money. Stick
to one like Source and that will be plenty. One other point to
mention, 16% protein is very high. If your filly is not in training
than I would consider switching to a lower protein feed like 14%
or 12%. I would suggest that you try Trotter pellets because they
are really like giving hay (it is a complete feed) and increase
her hay at night. I would feel safer that way rather than pushing
a horses' system with more than it could handle protein wise when
striving to add weight; it could save alot of grief in the end.
regards,
stephanie
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| 532.5 | Not Oats | RDGCSS::RICHARDS | Mike. DTN 830-4533. Reading, UK. | Wed Mar 23 1988 09:45 | 13 |
| RE .3
Oats would probably not help and could make her worse.
Oats are a heating agent, this increases the metabolic rate and
makes the horse use up it's food quicker and therefore the horse
could lose weight rather than gain it.
How much this affects a horse varies from horse to horse, but if
yours has a problem putting weight on then I would think that it
would be a bad thing to feed your horse.
Mike.
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| 532.6 | 'source' | BUGCHK::DINGEE | Julie Dingee, VAX Forms Development | Wed Mar 23 1988 11:01 | 14 |
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When I read your base note, my first thought was 'Source'. It
has already been mentioned in one of the replies, and I believe
there is another note discussing it in much more detail. But
I was feeding my horse 4 qts. a day, and just 3 weeks after I
began giving him Source, I had to cut down because he was getting
to be so plump. Now I only feed him 3. It also has a lot of other
benefits (sweeter personality, great hooves, glossy coat).
Just remember, if you do try Source, start with small doses, and
increase it as the instructions say - they can get a terrible
case of diarrhea if you start right out with the full dose.
-julie
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| 532.7 | A CORRECTION TO MY 1ST REPLY | SCOMAN::ROCK | | Wed Mar 23 1988 11:47 | 38 |
| I REPLIED TO YOU IN NOTES #2, I AM SORRY I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT YOU
WERE DEALING WITH A YOUNG HORSE AS I TAKE IT YOU ARE.
SOME THINGS TO KNOW:
SUNSHINE PELLETS: ARE A VITAMIN SUPPLEMENT, THEY ARE USED AND ARE
JUST LIKE CALF MANNER. THEY ARE HIGH IN PROTEIN AND ARE A MILK
SUPPLEMENT.IF YOU READ THE BAG YOU WILL SEE THIS. I FEED MY BABIES
YOUNG HORSES 0 TO 2 YRS. OF AGE A CUP OF THIS A DAY. YOU MUST REALLY
WATCH THE PROTEIN LEVEL THAT YOU ARE PUMPING INTO THEM SO THAT YOU
DO NOT OVER DO IT.
SEEING THAT YOU ARE FEEDING SUNSHINE PELLETS, I TAKE IT THAT YOU
FEED OUT BLUE SEAL GRAIN, I WOULD HIGHTLY RECOMMEND FEEDING THE
1 1/2 QTS. OF TROTTER PELLETS AND A CUP OF THE SUNSHINE PELLETS
THE TROTTER IS A COMPLETE FEED THAT IS MADE TO BE FED WITH OR WITHOUT
HAY. IT HAS A 14% PROTEIN LEVEL I BELEIVE. I HAVE NEVER HAD PROBLEMS
WITH IT AND THE BABIES AND YOU CAN INCREASE IT IF YOU NEED TO MORE
IN TIME.
CHARGER IS ALSO PUT OUT BY B.S. AND IS A COMPLETE SWEET FEED SAME
AS TROTTER. THE PROTEIN ON THAT IS 14%. NOW THAT I REFLECT I THINK
THAT TROTTER IS ONLY 12%..
SOUCE IS GREAT TO FEED THE HORSES. IT TOO IS A SUPPLEMENT THAT YOU
ONLY FEED A TINY BIT TO THE ANIMALS. A FULLY GROW HORSE GETS ONE
OF THE LITTLE 1/2 OZ. MEASURES IN THE VIT. BUCKET. SO YOU WOULD
HAVE TO FIGURE OUT THE WEIGHT OF THE ANIMAL AND THEN FEED IT OUT
ACCORDINGLY. I FEED IT TO ALL MY APPY'S AND THE HAVE THE BEST FEET
AROUND. I IS REALLY THE BEST VIT. I THINK FOR A HORSES FEET.
I RIGHT NOW HAVE MY FOALS AND A TWO YR.OLD ON B.SEALS SWEET FEED
CALLED MUSTANG....IT IS 10% PROTEIN AND A CUP OF SUNSHINE PELLETS
AND A BIT OF SOURSE, AND 4 FLAKES OF HAY PER DAY... AND THEY ARE
ALL AT A NICE WEIGHT.
GOOD LUCK.
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| 532.8 | Don't look for too much too soon | ASD::NAJJAR | | Wed Mar 23 1988 14:32 | 15 |
| There is a supplement/product called Respond which is used on horses
that have a hard time gaining weight. I have not used it myself,
but have heard that it works well. Source is also an excellent
product, and it helps the horse get more out of his feed so you
will sometimes need to decrease the amount of feed your horse gets
as someone pointed out in an earlier note. With any of these
supplements, or just an increase in feed, don't expect to notice
results overnight - evaluate the results after a couple of months
before you decide whether this method is working or not.
Just a caution: when you increase the protein in the horse's feed,
make sure you are also increasing the mineral supply proportionally
- you may want to have your feed analyzed to see if the horse is
getting the correct balance - too much protein can lead to growth/joint
problems in a young horse.
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| 532.10 | BE CAREFUL... | MILVAX::NICKERSON | | Thu Mar 24 1988 16:00 | 10 |
| On the Sunshine Pellets...are you really feeding her 1 1/2 quarts
or the measure that comes with the bag.
Since it is a supplement 1 1/2 quarts, in my opinion only, is far
too much for any horse.
I too agree with Source...it helped us put wait on our 27 year old.
Again use as directed.
Have fun.
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| 532.11 | Weight Gain | VOLGA::PORTER | | Fri Mar 25 1988 07:49 | 17 |
| We went through similar problems with a 6 yr standardbred and a
Q.H. yearling.
Recommendation: Increase grain portion slowly and carefully, and
feed three times a day instead of twice. We currently feed 1/3
a portion at 6 AM, 1/3 at 3:00 PM and 1/3 at 7:00 PM. From past
experience smaller feedings fed more frequently are more beneficial.
Source is a good idea, but be careful to to go overboard, more is
not necessarily better. As far as increasing corn, be careful or
you could have a very hyper youngster on your hands.
In my opinion the addition of a third feeding was the largest
factor in weight gain. We have continued the practice of feeding
three times a day and are very happy with the results.
Karen
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