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| 503.1 | racing | CSC32::M_HOEPNER | | Mon Feb 15 1988 13:58 | 24 |
| From my experience, racing prospects sell for less than EXCELLENT
halter prospects. (I think people feel more comfortable evaluating
something they can see. It is hard for the general Arabian owners
to evaluate a running horse until they actually are running.) I
know I would have a hard time picking them!
I suspect that sometime down the road that racing prospects will have
much higher value. (I certainly hope so, anyway.) But it is going to
take racing to be more accepted by more Arabian people. Several large
breeders (Town and Country, Armand Hammer, David Murdock, Lasma, Casa
de Cassel, etc...) are now involved pretty heavily which will help
encourage smaller breeders to join in. Sam Harrison has been
campaigning really heavily for racing for a little over 10 years now.
I think it has just been the past 2 to 3 years that racing is becoming
more visible.
The Arabian Horse Express has a section devoted to Arabian racing
each month which helps a bit. It is one of the few publications
to devote this much space however.
If I were breeding LOTS of Arabians I would probably send some to
the track. I don't have that many, so it isn't an option right
now.
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| 503.2 | It's expensive too,,I think | GENRAL::BOURBEAU | | Mon Feb 15 1988 15:19 | 9 |
| My wife has an Appaloosa mare that is very fast,and we thought
of racing her. After looking into it,it became obvious to us that
we don't have the time or knowledge to do it ourselves. Then we
talked to a trainer who was eager to handle her. When we got into
the discussion of costs,we were amazed at just how expensive this
could get to be. We finally decided that the chances of getting
our investment back on the deal were not good,and dropped the
idea. I imagine that racing Arabians is just as expensive;is that
the case?
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| 503.3 | ARABIAN RACING | MILVAX::NICKERSON | | Tue Feb 16 1988 09:41 | 25 |
| It is expensive but no more expensive than if you put a horse into
show training with a known trainer.
What the racing does offer, if the animal is fast enough of course,
is a better return on your money in a much shorter time period.
I am speaking as an owner of Arabian Horses now.
We had looked into sending one of our colts into racing...
..first they came to assess him...a good horse is a good horse whether
it is for showing, racing, etc.
..wouldn't take him until he was three and/or his knees were closed
..would take him for about three months
..if he wasn't fast enough they would send him home
..if he went to the track it would cost about $1000/month; prior
to that it would be about $500/month for the schooling/training.
I am not up on what the purses for the Arabian Races are but I know
it has to be more than a ribbon and maybe a $25.00 check...and to
me there seems to be a lot less politics in racing than there is
in the show ring with a much better return.
P.S. the reason we didn't put the colt in training is that he is
still a little young and the folks we were going to send him to
have now moved to Virginia. I like to have my horses in training
close enough to at least see them once a month.
At this point I am not sure we will pursue it...maybe in the future.
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| 503.4 | Yes, racing is expensive for Arabs | SEDJAR::NANCY | | Tue Feb 16 1988 12:17 | 19 |
| Hi!
The average cost of racing an Arab if you have someone else train
the horse is roughly as follows:
30.00/day (average) training at the track (less if trained on a farm)
$60.00/every six weeks for shoeing
Standard worming and vaccination costs
Nominations for stakes races runs around 1,000.00 ea.
Transportation Costs to and from the track (N.H. to Delaware - 250.00)
$50.00 fee to become a registered owner with the Track and set up
an account for your earnings to be transfered to.
Remember, when you win the trainer gets his percentage as does the
IRS in Taxes. With a 30,000.00 purse you're likely to take home
about 18,000.00
Nancy
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| 503.5 | More info on racing... | KOAL::AIKEN | Arabian Horse Breeder DTN378-6706 | Tue Feb 16 1988 13:01 | 11 |
| Nancy, I have a filly of Cedardel Heritage/Indian Magic breeding
that I would like to race. There is a farm close by (Summer Solstice)
that does prelim training, bitting, backing and driving, then sends
the horses to a race trainer for what amounts to interval training.
If I remember correctly, the cost is comparable to show training
for performance.
Do you raise racing Arabians? Where are you located?
Merrie Aiken
(longtime, noreadNotes)
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| 503.6 | Some things to think about.. | KLAATU::NANCY | | Thu Feb 18 1988 10:52 | 96 |
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Merrie,
I think everyone who contemplates racing a horse should consider
the following:
*There are no gaurantees that your horse will not be injured due
to racing, although Arabians tend to stay sound...if your horse
does not have the confirmation (especially in the front legs) to
withstand the stress........
*Even if a horse is fast, when race time comes, it may run with
the pack and not strive to be competative, or what if it doesn't
want to run?...Racing is full of surprizes!
*Race training is a different kind of education for the horse, don't
expect the horse to be trained for riding in the same way you would
a horse being broke and trained to ride. This horse is going to run,
it's going to get some miles on it and be conditioned (hopefully)
to prepare it for racing. This does not mean that race horses do not
make good riding horses when they retire from the track, it just
implies that you train a horse for what it is going to do.
*It takes 4-6 months of training and conditioning before you can
expect to enter your horse in it's first race. Meanwhile, you are
paying a 1,000.00 per month or a little more for this training. Be
sure that you can afford to spend this money, because if you stop
the training and decide to race later, the horse will have to be
conditioned again before racing. Remember, that although the cost
may be comparable to showing (depending on the number of shows)
every month of race training is comparable to one month of show
training and one show. When your horse does begin to race, it does
not cost any less for training, it is an ongoing expenditure, and
hopefully the money you win will cover these costs.
*Are you prepared to have a trainer administer drugs to your horse?
Often horses are run on Bute or given a Lasix shot (muscle relaxer)
after running a race.
*If you do not know what your horse's potential actually is ( and
noone really knows until they race...) it is good idea to do the
following when starting out:
1. Insure your horse has the confirmation required for racing.
2. Get a trainer you feel you can trust to give you an honest opinion
on your horse as training progresses.
3. Send the horse for training on the condition that it will be
evalutated after 60-90 days for it's racing potential (except
speed). Does the horse like to run, are there any problems,
is the horse happy, what condition is the horse in, is the
horse willing. This way you can remove the horse that does
not show potential or change trainers.
4. Go to the track and see your horse work. Buy a stop watch.
Discuss racing. Learn as much as possible so you can make
decisions when you need to!
5. Be prepared for the times your horse does not win. Look for the
horse to make progess with each successive race, if it doesn't,
find out why. Don't become a gambler.
6. Although you may want to make money or gain a reputation for
your horse, take the time to enjoy racing...it can be exciting!
Make sure you have a good time and the money you spend racing
will never be wasted.
*Are you capable of looking at your horse as an Object to make money?
Sometimes our view of the horse changes as we strive to win. If
you value the horse, please be sure you can live with whatever happens.
What if for some reason an injury prevents your horse from being
shown or successful in the show ring later on?
*Don't stick with a loser on the race track, when they can be winner
in the show ring or the breeding shed.
*In most states there is an age limit by which a horse must win
a race for you to continue racing the horse. It is usually 5-6yrs.
of age.
*The value of racing stock is increasing. An Arab filly named
"Shawnadew" just sold for approx. $130,000.00
*Consider buying a "proven" racehorse with potential to do better.
and begin racing right away.
*The difference between a horse winning the race and coming in last
can be ONLY a few seconds.
*Alot of owners don't get to see their horses race because of the
way (days) races are scheduled.
*Don't you think that the trainers and jockeys are going to try
to get everything they can out of your horse? After all, to them
it's a business, they way they earn a living.
I'll have to continue this at a later date...the system is shutting
down. Hope this gives you something to think about.
Regards, Nancy
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| 503.7 | Re:Marianne-Arab racing | SEDJAR::NANCY | | Tue Mar 01 1988 10:10 | 34 |
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Marianne,
Hi! I'm sorry I didn't get the chance to answer your questions,
(re: the system going down) so, I'll start by answering them today.
I don't raise Arab race stock, I don't train racehorses, and I live
in Candia,NH. The bloodlines racing in America have not been proven
to the extent that all of the known racing lines have been discovered.
More Arabs need to race before the "proven" bloodlines that have the
ability to pass on racing ability can be determined. Your horse could
be a successful racehorse, given the opportunity to prove itself
on the racetrack.
I also have a filly that may have potential to race successfully.
I am in the process of sorting thru the pro's and con's of putting
her into race training.
The first thing you tend to think of is "What if she wins?" You
think, maybe she could be a "STAR"! We tend to push out of our minds
the idea that our horse could lose. However, when you look at things
from a financial standpoint, you wake up...pretty fast. It is expensive
to test the ability of your horse on the Track.
"If every horse on the track had to make money..racing wouldn't fly."
"You spend 4,000 dollars getting your horse ready to race, but look
at the number of horses that won 4,000 last year on the track...your
horse has to be pretty good to win..." These were comments I read
in some articles on Arab racing, and are something to think about.
Regards, Nancy
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| 503.8 | Lasix | GORT::NANCY | | Thu Mar 03 1988 15:01 | 11 |
|
Hi!
Lasix is a drug, but not a muscle relaxer as I stated in a previous
note, it is a diuretic. It reduces the amount of excess water in
the horses system. I guess some horses when racing, have a tendancy
to have their blood vessels burst and in someway this reduces the
condition that can cause this. Sorry if I misled anyone.
Nancy
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| 503.9 | Arab Stakes races at Delaware | GORT::NANCY | | Thu Mar 03 1988 15:26 | 25 |
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Hi!
I thought some of you might be interested in the Purses for Arab
stakes racing in Delaware for "88"
Sat. April 29 $10,000 Mersant Arabian, 3yo and up, 6 furlongs.
Sat. May 7 $10,000 Markel Classic,fillies/mares 3yo and up,6 furlongs.
Mon. May 30 $10,000 Cre-Run Handicap,filly/mares 3yo & up,1mi.40yds.
Sun. Jul 3 $50,000 Armand Hammer Classic,4yo & up,1mi and 1quarter.
Mon. Jul 4 $25,000 Filly Firecracker Futurity,3yo ,6 furlongs.
Mon. Jul 4 $30,000 Colt Firecracker Futurity, 3yo ,6 furlongs.
Sat. Jul 23 $25,000 Arab Cup Sprint, 3yo & up, 6 furlongs.
Sat. Sep 3 $30,000 Gladys Brown Edwards,3yo & up,1mi and eighth
Sun. Sep 4 $40,000 Arab Derby, 4yo colts, 1mi and 5 eighths.
Sun. Sep 4 $30,000 Arab Oaks, 4yo fillies,1mi and 1 quarter.
Mon. Sep 5 $30,000 Delaware Arab Stakes,3yo colts,1mi and 70yds.
Mon. Sep 5 $30,000 Delaware Arab Stakes,3yo filly,1mi and 70yds.
Sat. Sep 17 $20,000 Arab Cup Juvenile,3yo colts,1mi and 70 yds.
Sat. Sep 17 $15,000 Arab Cup Juvenile,3yo filly,1mi and 70 yds.
Sun. Sep 18 $20,000 Arab Cup Distaff,filly/mare,3yo &up,1mi and 70yds.
Sun. Sep 18 $25,000 Arab Cup Classic,3yo & up,1mi and 70yds.
Regards, Nancy
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| 503.10 | Racing Expenses...getting started | GORT::NANCY | | Wed Apr 27 1988 17:53 | 54 |
| Hi!
I sent my 3yo Arab filly to Delaware to begin her race training.
I thought some of you might be interested in what her expenses have
been so for 88.......
1/12/88 Worming 10.00
2/16/88 Shoeing 38.00
To get her ready for shipping to Delaware:
2/15/88 Coggins Test 10.00
2/15/88 Potomac fever 14.00
2/15/88 Strangles 12.00 (excluding booster)
2/15/88 Flu 9.00
2/15/88 Rhino 8.00
3/12/88 2nd Potomac 20.00 fever(booster) and health Certificate
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73.00
Note: She did not get a strangles booster because unknown to the
trainer she had her strangles shots in Nov87. So add in another
10.00 for a booster for your horse.
3/12/88 Transportation to Delaware: 200.00
3/14/88 Worming 10.00
4/06/88 Shoeing at Track 50.00
3/30/88 Leather Halter 21.00 (must wear @ track)
3/19/88 Nom. Delaware Stakes Race 100.00
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381.00
These are all of the expenses I've paid except for her training
(Dec 88 - Feb 88) bitting,backing,driving
(March,April) Race Training
So this is what it's taken to get her down to Delaware and started.
The money I spent on nominating her to a stakes race is optional.
Transportation and shoeing cost a little less than expected, and
I had the trainer buy her a new leather halter because there is
a track rule (I was told) that requires horses to wear leather in their
stalls at night. I also found out that at the Delaware track it
does not cost anything to become a registered owner...you just need
to fill out a form that says you are not a bookie(nor your relatives)
and have not been arrested for a crime other than traffic violations.
I will continue to enter my expenses for racing this year, and in
October they can be added up to see what it really "costs" to race
a horse for a year.
Regards, Nancy
P.S. If you have any questions pertaining to racing Arabs..just
ask!
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| 503.11 | Racing Expenses April-June 88 | KLAATU::NANCY | | Tue May 31 1988 11:37 | 68 |
| Hi!
It's time again to enter some new info on expenses for my 3yo filly
at the track........
I had to submit (give my trainer) her registration papers so that
she could get her racing papers from the Arabian Jockey Club. They
take pictures of your horse, tatoo your horse, and then they send
someone back out to re-identify your horse..draw in the little swirls
of hair and any other detailed marks on the horse that could be
used to identify it. They don't let you set your horse up pretty
like in halter classes to take the pictures...they make your horse
stand so you can see all four legs, and take pictures from each
side, and also front and rear. The Arab Jockey Club keeps your
Registration Papers on file they are not returned to you until your
horse is withdrawn from racing...and all bills have been paid for
track-related expenses.
4/9/88 Arabian Jockey Club, Tatooing, Identifier (someone to
re-identify your horse) 160.00
"Jinny" (my 3yo filly) was not used to straw-bedding which is required
at the track...she ate alot and didn't look like she was feeling
too good, so the Track Vet (required to use official track vets)
came out to look at her and was very aggressive in his treatment.
He treated her as for colic:
4/6/88 Banamine 15.00
4/6/88 Tranquilizer 10.00
4/6/88 D-pan 10.00
Her trainer felt she only required the Banamine, but the track Vet
felt his agressive treatment was justified, because in his words:
she is a valuable racehorse! What I wasn't prepared for was the
bill...that included a strangles booster and Thermometer that were not
my charges, they were for another horse! So be sure to check every
Vet bill you get with your trainer to make sure the charges are
correct! (another lesson learned..)
5/01/88 Race Training fee for May paid
5/27/88 Farrier 50.00
5/27/88 Worming 12.00
6/01/88 Race Training fee for June paid
Also, since she has been nominated for a stakes race in Sept..her
sustaining fees are periodically due..if you nominate your horse
for a Stakes race (total cost is 1,000.00 for this race)
5/15/88 Delaware Stakes race fee due: 200.00
6/15/88 Delaware Stakes race fee due: 300.00
Summary of Events:
"Jinny" has been at Delaware since March 12, 1988. She has been
progessively working longer distances...from a mile and a half to
two and a half miles per day. She has progressed from walking thru
the starting gates...to breaking from them at a kind of slow gallop/
fast canter ..which is how the trainer describes it. Since she has
only been down there for 2 and a half months...she is not yet ready
to do "works" which is when they ask for speed from the horse. There
is a turf course at Delaware and it has some hills on it...they
are starting to work her on the turf because they feel it will be
good for developing added strength in her hindquarters. We are
beginning to see a change in her attitude from a willingness to
go out and work...to an "eagerness" to go out and work! Within the
next 2 months we should know if she's cut out to be a racehorse.
Regards,
Nancy
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| 503.12 | More! More! | JULIET::APODACA_KI | Hey, buddy....got a dime? | Fri Dec 16 1988 12:42 | 12 |
| This is a very interesting note--tho I see that no one has written
to it in some time. The only Arab or Appy racing I've seen in
California is that which takes place on the fair circuit--no other
times, really. T-bred and Quarter Horses are still the standard
out there.
I really enjoy horse racing (all kinds) and would like to see more
notes by anyone else out there who is involved with training/racing
a horse. I realize not too many Digital employees are Wayne Lukas,
but every little bit helps, I suppose!
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