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| 299.1 | be carefull | FDCV01::XXDEV8 | | Mon Jun 22 1987 16:02 | 35 |
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Question:
- was there any scar tissue in the area?
- What did the horse do when your hand was
on the area? Was it tender to him?
I had an Arab on time that was bit up by another
stallion, and his rear hock area was never the same.
All though after taken several years of care to it
the vet said there was nothing at all wrong with the
leg. Sometimes though the leg would give out, and other
times it would swell with fluids, with which I would apply
mineral ice to it, the stuff works wonders! Anyway I would
be carefull with all this.
first the stone bruse excuse could be legit, it sounds
by the way he was shod that he or she had pads on at one
time in the recent past.
As far as having a vet look at the horse, it really depends
on what your looking to do with the horse. Pleasure ride,
show, or breed. If your looking to show or pleasure ride
the horse or even breed him I would have it looked at if
you really like the horse. But be learry!! Have an xray
done.
You have to be carefull with saddlebreds, I personally
don't agree with there training methods, and they can
do some serious leg dammage to these animals.
Good luck and keep looking,
David
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| 299.2 | what kind of damage | KRYPTN::RUSHTON | | Mon Jun 22 1987 16:32 | 3 |
| Could you give me some advise on how they train these type horses
and what kind of leg damage could happen? I dont have any Idea
how they are trained. I just love the looks of that type of horse.
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| 299.3 | Vet Check - Yes | SQM::MURPHY | Is it Friday yet? | Mon Jun 22 1987 17:03 | 21 |
| The way you described the back leg, sounds like it might be what
is termed a "capped hock". Not sure how a horse gets a capped hock
- through injury? Knew of an Appaloosa Stallion once that had this
condition and it didn't seem to bother him but it was quite noticeable.
Being a 3 yr. old and with this swollen area on the leg, I wouldn't
take any chances without having him Vet checked and x-rayed if I
was really interested in him. Those short hooves are also something
to wonder about as American Saddlebreds are usually kept with long
feet. Maybe the farrier that worked on the horse last trimmed too
much foot off. There is also the possibility that the horse was
under sedation so it wouldn't feel any pain and might well have
been lame without showing it then.
There are honest horsetraders and also the dishonest horsetraders.
You should have someone go with you who knows what to look for in
a sound or unsound horse.
Good luck!
Pat
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| 299.4 | Sneakiness counts... | BUGCHK::DINGEE | Julie Dingee, VAX Forms Development | Mon Jun 22 1987 17:28 | 19 |
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I don't know about anyone else, but I certainly wouldn't pay
much for a horse that couldn't be cantered or trotted. How
interested are you in the horse? Do they want much for it?
Sounds fishy to me, too. I'd say continue to look, and forget
about this one. This sounds like one of the things where, if
you buy it, you'll look back on this time and say "I should
have known I'd have problems when they wouldn't let me canter
him."
What impressed me most about the seller of my horse was that
she agreed to board him for 3 months after I bought him. It
was a little test (I know, I'm pond scum) to see if she wasn't
just trying to unload the horse and get rid of the buyer. See
if this one will agree to an arrangement like that.
-j
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| 299.5 | Bit off-key? | DELNI::L_MCCORMACK | | Mon Jun 22 1987 17:33 | 15 |
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If this is a capped hock as the previous note suggests, I believe
most are caused by a blunt blow to the hock by another horse or
by hitting the hock against the stall wall or some other object.
I would be leary about a 3 year old and have it checked. Also,
I think the fact that the woman didn't want the horse cantered
at all sounded a bit off-key. I would want to canter a horse
I'm about to buy, even if it's only one spin around the ring.
Goodluck and let us know the outcome.
Linda
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| 299.6 | | RDGE00::ALFORD | Dragon Riders do it in between .... | Tue Jun 23 1987 09:07 | 32 |
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I also would very strongly advise a physical/medical by a vet of
YOUR choice.
There are many ailments suffered by horses which can be detected
when the horse is given a good workout. One of the more serious
of these is "Broken Wind" I don't know what you call this over
there in the US it's breathing sounds horrible, very noisy, and
is usually undetectable until the horse is cantered around for a
bit !
The short hooves sound a bit bad as well but might not be serious.
If you are intending to show the horse - don't buy it, a horse with
a capped hock never gets anywhere, but this does not usually affect
the soundness of the horse. If the horse is sound but the hock
feels spongy and is visibly larger than normal, this is almost
certainly what it is.
It might be an idea to drop in one day un-announced and ask to
see the horse again, the suggestion that the horse might have
been doped, is a good one, this is a common practice among
unscrupulous horse sellers.
One more point, you must get in touch with the real owner before
buying the horse to check that it really is for sale, don't take
the excuse that the owner cann't be reached, get the name and
address and contact him/her yourself, by post if necessary.
Hope this helps a bit.
CJA
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| 299.7 | | BAUCIS::MATTHEWS | qualified 4 the palomino world show 1985,86,87 | Tue Jun 23 1987 10:54 | 11 |
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well why didnt you just come out and ask her why not?????
she could have had other resaons also.
if i'm looking at a horse i let the owner handle him or who
ever is selling the horse, and see how good/bad he acts. before
i touch him.
wen.
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| 299.8 | Vet check! Vet check! Vet check! | PLANET::NICKERSON | Bob Nickerson DTN 282-1663 :^) | Tue Jun 23 1987 13:32 | 32 |
| First about the vet check. Unless you are a pretty fair horseperson
"AND" you know about the history of the horse personally, you shouldn't
buy a horse without a vet check regardless of the cost! Its the
cheapest insurance that you will ever buy. Its not the money you
have invested in the purchase as much as the potential thousands
that you can pay in vet/hospital fees later. Even if you think
you will just have the horse put down if the cost is too great to
get them healthy, if you are like most single horse owners, you'll
pay the price.
As far as the hock goes, the vet will be able to tell you what it
is and what the prognosis is. Its hard to judge based on your
description what it might be. You might be describing a gall which
is no big deal. On the other hand, I wouldn't buy a horse with
a capped hock because of the potential for problems later (arthritis
etc).
If the person selling the horse won't let you try the horse for
its intended purpose then they are probably covering something up.
Even if the were afraid of the liability, they could arrange for
someone else to show you the horse can canter (for an extended period
because now you should be very suspicious). Otherwise, walk away
from this one, there are lots of horses around. Unless you are
some pretty nasty footing, the chances of getting a stone bruise
are pretty slim regardless of the condition of the feet. If it
did get one from that little workout, you don't want the horse
anyway... its a tenderfoot!
Bob
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| 299.9 | Some info on Saddlebreds | NOWIMP::DADDAMIO | epexegesis:Jan,DTM,ZKO2-3/M31,381-2165 | Tue Jun 23 1987 13:55 | 58 |
| Short hooves for a Saddlebred are probably what we consider normal
length. Just because they are shown with long hooves doesn't mean
they have to have them long all the time. We have Morgans which
are also shown with long hooves (not quite as long as the Saddlebreds
though) but our horses have normal length hooves. So there should
not have been any problem with his hind feet because they were short.
They probably didn't have all the wedge pads, etc. that they use
when showing and maybe she was afraid that he would get bruised
without all the padding.
I would be really suspicious about the hock, though. Also if the
horse is registered, the owners have to transfer the papers, so
you should try to contact the owners.
If you like the look of the Saddlebreds, there are several things
to consider when looking at them. If you want to show in Saddlebred
classes (3 gaited, 5 gaited, etc.), then you'll probably want to
go with the long hooves, wedge pads, tail sets, etc. in order to
compete. There are also Country Pleasure classes with restrictions
on the lenght of hooves and how much padding you can have on the
feet, etc. and you will probably still need a tail set. If you
just want to trail ride and have fun riding, then you'll want to
know the horse's background and what it did before you buy.
In general, the horses shown in the 3 gaited and 5 gaited classes
are quite a bit "hotter" than the Country Pleasure type Saddlebred.
Even a 3 year old could have been shown in-hand as a youngster,
then as a harness horse at 2, and a saddle horse at 3. Some of
the training devices used are shackles (different varieties, most
have rubber tubing which attach to boots on the front - sometimes
hind - feet and the rubber tubing causes the horse to pick up its
feet higher), "flying W" (similar to shackles but usually rope attached
to all hooves), action chains and rattlers. Any of these used
incorrectly can cause injury to the horse. Just to give you some
info in case you didn't know about this.
In general the Country Pleasure Saddlebreds are subjected to a lot
of this because they don't look for the really high action in those
classes. The horses are usually easier to handle. In either case
you may want to keep the appearance of the tail up with a tail set.
This is somewhat like driving harness that goes on the horse, but
it's has a support that fits under the tail instead of a plain crupper.
All the harness stuff does is to keep the support in place. The
muscles in the tails of the Saddlebreds are cut to allow the tail
to formed in the appropriate position (straight up then arched).
Most Saddlebreds have had their tail "cut" so you might want to
consider this, since the tails have a tendency to fall to one side
or the other if you don't use a tail set regularly (btw tail sets
usually cost around $300-400).
I used to show my Morgan at Morgan shows and took saddle seat lessons
at a Saddlebred stable (boy, I sure hate to admit that now that
I do dressage!) so I found out a lot on how the Saddlebreds are
trained and kept. Just thought I'd give you some info to think
about.
Jan
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| 299.10 | Try and Vet Check | SQM::MURPHY | Is it Friday yet? | Tue Jun 23 1987 16:21 | 13 |
| I think what Jan meant to say in previous note was that the Country
Pleasure Saddlebreds are "not" subjected to a lot of the chains,
rubber bands, etc. in their training as high action is not required
in that class whereas it is in the 3- and 5-gaited classes. Tailsets
are also not necessary in the country pleasure classes for saddlebreds
but are in the 3- and 5-gaited.
It really depends on what you plan to use the saddlebred you buy
for and definitely don't buy without trying AND vet-check.
Again, good luck!
Pat
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| 299.11 | Think of it as a car... | MILVAX::EATON | | Thu Jul 09 1987 16:40 | 13 |
| As far as I'm concerned, I'd be more than a little leery if only
ONE of the things you mentioned had occurred. The hock injury/whatever
would have made me suspicious enough, but as for the no cantering?
It doesn't look to good to me!
Would you buy a car from someone who would only let you drive it
up and down their driveway? Wouldn't you want to try a car out
at a reasonable speed and length of time (if not all-out on the
highway!) before you bought it? The person's evasiveness on this
part of showing-to-sell should tell you something. Sometimes,
horsepeople are worse than used-car salesmen!
Stacie
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