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| 93.1 | "Doc" | PARSEC::SCRAGGS | | Fri Jan 16 1987 09:14 | 6 |
| Oh I forgot all about him. He is GORGEOUS, unfortunately my mare
is Grey and I would be asking for trouble breeding Grey to Grey.
Thanks for the info. I would like to check on the Dun however.
-M-
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| 93.2 | I've changed my mind | PMRV70::MACONE | | Fri Jan 16 1987 12:21 | 24 |
| RE: .0 I have decided not to sell the service to Meadow's Hope
and plan to breed my warmblood mare to him this spring. I have
some concerns her getting injured while she is being bred and hope
that there are some people out there who have had some experience
in this area that can lend some advice!
I have seen the procedure this breeder uses as I brought another
mare to them 2 years ago (several attempts didn't work...she was
later put down due to complications). This mare was dead quiet
and it didn't bother me at all when they hobbled one front leg with
a leather strap. However, my mare that I plan to take this Spring
is sensible but not really quiet. She is also a little uncoordinated
because of her size (she is 16.3 and very leggy)....shoeing her
is a major feat...she has trouble balancing herself on 3 legs (although
she is getting much better). My dilemna is that because she has
this type of balance problem on 3 legs, I'm afraid if they hobble
her she will thrash and hurt herself. I am not at all experienced
in the area of breeding. Is this type of hobbling a normal procedure
and is it necessary? Is there something else I could suggest to
the breeder without offending them?
help
Jeannie
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| 93.3 | | PLANET::NICKERSON | Bob Nickerson DTN 282-1663 :^) | Fri Jan 16 1987 12:47 | 15 |
| RE: .9
As a breeder I can tell you that suggesting methods other than what
I do normaly will fall on deaf ears. People and horses get hurt
when you start changing your breeding practice. My suggestion is
that if you don't like the breeding management, don't breed there.
I breed one mare a year outside as a part of my breeding program
and I can tell you that I won't go near a stallion where the management
program is not up to my standards. That includes a program where
hobbles are used since they create more problems than they cure!
Thats only my opinion but I wouldn't try to convince someone else
of that. Its too much like arguing religion!
Bob
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| 93.4 | Be sure of methods | ZEPPO::FOX | | Fri Jan 16 1987 13:13 | 16 |
| About the hobbles, I agree with -.1 that if you don't like the methods,
don't do it, especially with a maiden mare who you have no idea
how she is going to react. Most places where I have sent my mares
to be bred will have hind shoes pulled, tease from behind a very
solid wall and then if there is a tendency to kick is shown, a solution
is discussed between the breeder and I. I have been fortunate in
finding breeders who were willing alternate methods and also in
having mares that when they were ready (be it for just 1 day), they
stood fine. As a matter of fact with my last mare (who normally
is a kicker), she would only stand still for 1 breeding at which
time she took.
Good luck!
Linda
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| 93.5 | Breeding greys | NIGHT::MONTVILLE | Sharon Montville | Fri Jan 16 1987 13:14 | 5 |
| re .7
Forgive my ignorance, why is breeding Grey to Grey asking for trouble?
Is there more to this than color? Thanks for any light that is
shed on this.
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| 93.6 | Malanoma Disease? | PARSEC::SCRAGGS | | Fri Jan 16 1987 14:29 | 9 |
| I'm also not that informed when it comes to genetics, but yes
Breeding Grey to Grey is not a good idea as it (from what I've been
told) may promote Malanoma disease (sp) I'm sorry I cannot give
the details of this, however I think it may spread like cancer?
Is there someone else out there who could comment on this more?
Thanks
-M-
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| 93.7 | Don't panic | A1VAX::GUNN | | Fri Jan 16 1987 17:56 | 5 |
| Melanoma is a skin tumor/cancer that can occur in any horse but
has a higher incidence in grey horses. It can spread, depending
on where the tumor occurs it can be surgically removed and is not
necessarily fatal. I wouldn't consider it a disqualification for
breeding to a grey horse unless its line had a history of melanoma.
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| 93.8 | not worth taking the chance! | PMRV70::MACONE | | Tue Jan 20 1987 10:23 | 10 |
| re: .11,.12
Thanks for the advice.....since I have already started losing sleep
over the thought of my mare getting hurt, I have decided not to
breed her after all. Therefore, I am now looking for a broodmare
to lease or buy inexpensively. I would like a hunter-type appaloosa
with a good temperament and nice movement (attractive, too). Any
leads would be appreciated.
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| 93.9 | Grey + Grey can be OK!! | NEWVAX::AIKEN | I love Crabbet Arabians! 301-867-1584 | Fri Feb 06 1987 18:26 | 8 |
| Breeding grey to grey COULD lead to death, usually by absorption,
of the foal. In genetics, if white is dominant (WW), the condition
is termed lethal white. It's possible to breed grey to grey provided
there is no white (that is, pink skinned white horses) in the ancestry
that has caused such deaths -- although I'm not certain how that
can be found out. There is an excellent article in Feb. EQUUS about
the color of horses -- has to do with lethal White, certain lethal
roan mixtures to avoid, etc.
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| 93.10 | I'm thinking about it | UBOHUB::LLOYD | | Thu Feb 09 1989 07:38 | 11 |
| I have a 13.2hh mare and rather than sell her and look for something
bigger, I might consider putting her in foal. I have a few queries
though:-
To produce a foal to reach 15.1-15.3 how high should the stallion
be? Will this be dangerous to her having a Stallion that might
be too big? What is the best time of year to put her in foal?
Grateful of any comments you may have?
Barbara
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| 93.11 | | CSC32::M_HOEPNER | | Thu Feb 09 1989 08:42 | 19 |
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When you start with a 13.2 hh mare and want a over 15 hand offspring,
you would probably spend a lot less money and a lot less emotion by
going out and buying a horse that is already 15+ hands.
There are no guarantees that you will get 15+ even if you would
breed to a 17 hand stallion. You could get anything in between
in terms of height... And who knows what as far as conformation.
I encourage you to read some books on breeding horses. Both on
genetics, selecting the proper stallion for your mare, and on care
of mare and foal. Ensminger has a good book on general horse husbandry
that has a section on selection.
If you really like your mare, why not breed her to something of
similar size and type and raise some pony hunters?
Mary Jo (who tried and tried to get a 14.2 hand baby out of her
13.3 hand mare)
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| 93.12 | size is relative | CURIE::GCOOK | | Thu Feb 09 1989 09:16 | 23 |
| I agree with Mary Jo...if you're specifically looking for size,
you would be better off going out and buying a new horse. If
you love your mare and would like something just like her only
bigger, it is possible that she would produce that for you. But
Mother Nature's motto is "you pays your money and you takes your
chance." You could get anything.
I think what you will find if you talk to vets or do research on
what happens when you breed a small mare to a large stallion is
that nature will protect your mare. I have a friend who bred her
Shetland pony mare to an Arabian stallion with no problem. As I
recall the only trouble they had was convincing the mare to stand
on a box.
Good luck, whatever you decide.
Gwen
p.s. I just read my previous reply (.3) and noticed an error in
my facts. The 1987 Arabian National Champion Mare was Sheyteyna.
She is by Bey Shah and out of Forteyna (by *Fortel). And she is
incredibly beautiful!
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| 93.13 | Buy instead of breeding | NOWIMP::DADDAMIO | Hopelessly optimistic | Thu Feb 09 1989 15:00 | 9 |
| Just to confirm what was said in the last two notes:
We bred our 14.3h mare to a 15.1h stallion - and got a 14.3h mare
out of that breeding. We were hoping for at least 15 hands. Since
then we decided we will *buy* height instead of trying to breed
for it. We bought a 16.1h gelding for much less than it cost to
breed the mare and raise the foal for 3 years!
Jan
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| 93.14 | Breeding For Size | CHOWDA::HGORDON | | Tue Feb 14 1989 14:59 | 15 |
| Breeding for size. I agree and disagree with the past couple notes.
You can upgrade the size of the foal from a small mare but it takes
some research. The most important thing is to breed to a stallion
who has a history of throwing size. For instance the Arab stallion
Pomerol consistently improves on the size of the mare through his
offspring. I have seen several of his babies and all were an
improvement in height. I also have a 15.1 hand filly by Pomerol
out of my 14.2 hand mare. A little research into Pomerol,s background
shows that his dam was easily 15.1/15.2 and this is where the size
is coming from in that pedigree. The most important thing to remember
si that traits don't "average out", a 12.2 hand mare bred to a
15.2 hand stallion is not going to give you a 14.0 hand foal. So
find a stallion that throws size, hope for a filly, then breed that
filly to another stallion that throws size and you'll make progress.
That is the challenge of breeding!
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| 93.15 | | MEIS::SCRAGGS | | Wed Feb 15 1989 08:38 | 14 |
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I agree that in many cases if you take your average 14 hand mare
and breed to a 15.2 or such stallion, your going to get something
around the 14 hand range. There are some stallions however that
just seem to be extremely prepotent to size. Leola the dam of First
Secretary (Appaloosa) was only 15.1. Secretariat the sire was only
16.1. First Sec stands 17.1. 80%+ of his foals are 16 hands or better,
many being 17 hands. These coming from mares of all sizes. If I
could be assured of a foal reaching 17 hands, I'd breed my 15.3
hd mare tomorrow. But somewhere along the line I think Murphys law
would get me...
Marianne
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