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| 77.1 | Proper usage of digest | MOSAIC::KLINK | Dave Klinkhamer 1187-Hunterwasser | Wed Jun 18 1986 16:11 | 10 |
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Please use this note from now on to store Digests. It is silly
to open a new note everytime a Digest is issued. I can then setup
a KEYWORD to allow readers to go directly to this note to view latest
issue.
Thank You for your cooperation.
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| 77.2 | Equestrian Digest Issue #31 | RADON::BELANGER | Boycott Boycotts! | Wed Dec 10 1986 23:26 | 481 |
| Equestrian Digest Thu 26 Jun 1986 Issue 31
Today's Topics:
Subscribership Update
horse for lease
Hi.
BREEDING HORSES
Horseback riding for the novice/intermediate equestrian
Re: Horseback riding for the novice/intermediate equestrian
Horse talk
Re: Lunging and "What kind of horse should I buy?"
A report on Essex
Hi there!!!
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Date: Thu, 26 Jun 86 15:31:13 EDT
From: [email protected] (Equestrian Digest Coordinator)
Subject: Subscribership Update
Reply-To: [email protected] (Ken Rossen)
Robin and John <[email protected]> have lost their UMN account, and hope to
be back with us if and when they can find a guest account somehwere in the
Twin Cities area.
On the other hand, there has been a flurry of people joining us:
Laura Bagnall <[email protected]> -or- <ihnp4!bbnccv!lbagnall>,
Deryl Burr <[email protected]> -or- <ihnp4!bbnccv!burr>,
Patricia Corl <ubcvax!sun!sunrise!husky!pic>,
Beth Eades <seismo!mtgzz!eme>,
Rob Gross <GROSS%[email protected]>,
Barbara Haglind <[email protected]> -or- <ihnp4!bbnccv!bhaglind>,
Andy Shulman <[email protected]> -or- <ihnp4!bbnccv!shulman>,
Mark Williams <[email protected]>
Welcome to all of you, and keep writing!
--
Ken Rossen ...!{ihnp4,harvard,seismo}!bbnccv!horse-request
____or____ [email protected] -or- [email protected]
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From: [email protected]
Newsgroups: bboard
Subject: horse for lease
Date: 17 Jun 86 17:36:17 GMT
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman, Cambridge, MA
MATURE HUNTING THROUGHBRED FOR LEASE.
Have you ever wanted to own a horse, but were scared of the full cost of
keeping it? Then why not try leasing.
I have a 16 hand 2 inch, bay, Throughbred hunter. I am interested
in finding someone who rides to help keep him exercised and help pay for
his feed. He is quite comfortable for a large person to ride but not
overwhelming for a smaller person. (My husband is 6'4", I'm 5'4".)
He is stabled conveniently just off route 2 in Concord. (20 min from BBN.)
There is an excelent instructor at the stable. Charlie Koch. We will
be willing to provide all the tack.
Please call Deryl Burr x8101
or Email dburr
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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 86 19:14:26 EDT
From: Deryl Burr <[email protected]>
Subject: Hi.
Hi, My husband and I have just bought our first horse. I have
been riding off and on since I was knee high to a shetland. My husband
has been riding for three years. I warned him before we were married,
that I was going to own a horse before I died and He better like it
or I would find someone else. So he tried it, needless to say he loves it.
We bought our horse thru our instructor, whose opinion I highly
respect. He teaches balance seat. Which means that he beleves that you
should be able to show in a dressage class today and fox hunt tomorrow.
I personally believe that there is fun to be had in all kinds of riding.
To me a western saddle is great if you are going to be in the
saddle all day, or working a herd. However it is not much of a challenge
for only half and hour a week. English, either dressage or hunt, is
much more like work, but there is no way I want to try and ride all day
in an english saddle. A fox hunt lasting 2 hours is the longest I ever
want to be in an english saddle. Since we live in the Boston area, I don't
think I will ever spend a great deal of time spending days to weeks in a
saddle, but then I did not think I was going to own a horse this soon either.
About our horse... My instructor was boarding him for the last owner
while trying to find a buyer. Charlie, my instructor, as he normally does
is tries out the horse in a number of situations to find what this horse
is best suited for. For example He tries a Hunt or two, so that he knows
how the horse performs in the heat of a hunt. He will also try other
people, of different levels of skill, out on the horse so that he can tell
how it will react to a beginner etc. I got the chance to ride our horse for
a lesson, and I was in love with him from the first. After the second lesson
on the horse I mentioned that I liked the horse, and Charlie told me he was
for sale and asked if I wanted to know the price. I said sure, sure that we
could never afford the horse. The horse was a cheep. So I was able to talk
my husband into buying him. Now there is a reason that the horse was cheep,
he would never pass the vet. This is not to say that the horse is a shitter,
however he does have a heart murmur, and is a little lame in the left fore
foot, not bad just favors it a little when trotted on hard pavement, but
not that you notice when you are riding him. But we bought him anyway, but
we are not planning to try and show him every weekend and hunt him all
week. We are both still very green. (Even though I have had many years of
horse love not all that many we spent riding. I grew up in NYC.)
We will continue to stable our horse where we ride, even though
it may not be the cheepest, because it is both convenint to where we live
and the entire staff has never been any thing less the helpfull. Which
I think is saying a lot for the staff, given how much we don't know.
I will sign off by asking for all kinds of info on the care of
a horse, I do know the small stuff like cleaning out hoves and getting
the tack on correctly. I don't know however about some of the more important
things like diseases, feed, shoeing, etc. I'm sure I will learn very soon.
and that the staff at the stable will teach me a lot. However I love to
collect opinions.
Thanks,
Deryl Burr
[email protected]
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From: [email protected]
Date: 18 Jun 86 11:25:55 EST (Wed)
Subject: BREEDING HORSES
BREEDING HORSES
A Short Course Offered by the School of Experience
After the first horse comes the second horse. Finally, the
two-horse family says "let's buy a piece of land where we
can keep the horses in our own backyard." The next level is
predictable. They decide to breed the mare. Let me tell you a
little bit about the "manufacturing" business.
I was into horses pretty deeply by the time we got to the "let's
make our own horse" scenario. I was already doing the
advertising for a TB stallion. I produced ads for the
biggies--Chronicle, Practical Horseman, Combined Training, Blood
Horse. I took Ohio State short courses on midwifery. I helped
deliver all the 4-H foals in the county. I gave birth to two
babies myself just to see what it was like. I like to prepare
myself for experiences, you understand.
I read all about selection of breeding stock and good crosses and
bad crosses and color genetics and breeding theory. I like to be
prepared, remember. Then I went shopping for the right mare to
breed to the stallion I liked.
So I found this mare--biggest TB you've ever seen. A Royal
Charger grandaughter and daughter of Bonne Nuit, who at the time
was the leading jumper sire in the country, with one son and two
grandsons on the U.S. Equestrian Team. She stood almost 17.2h
and was hotter than a fresh manure pile. I got her for almost
nothing--nobody could handle her. My veterinarian almost gave up
large animal work when I asked him to tube worm her (right after
that he started giving out paste wormers to the owner and gave up
tube worming--said it wasn't necessary anymore). He had to
stand on ladder to check her for ovulation.
I knew I would have a fiesty foal, but her breeding, looks, and
talent made up for any problems with her disposition.
On my farm I had a little grade mare--15.1h--probably a little
walker, a little quarter, maybe a standardbred or two in her
background. She was sturdy and quiet. I bought her for $100 to
have on the farm for all the city cousins who came out on Sunday
afternoon and said "can Johnny ride one of the horses?" Knowing
that my horses would KILL Johnny, I kept this quiet little mare
for guests. She was also a grand babysitter. She wasn't much to
look at, but she made up for her lack of breeding, looks, and
talent by having this great disposition. Are you seeing a
parallel here?
In payment for my advertising work, I had some free "services"
coming from the stallion owners. So I sent the mare I purchased
solely to cross with that stallion and the little grade mare to
keep the hot mare company. They went together. They were bred
the same days. The came home together. Eleven months later, six
days apart, I had two colts.
From the big, hot, talented mare I got a pretty 16.2 colt with a
quiet, easy-going nature and enough talent and looks to do OK as a
junior hunter on the circuit. From the little, quiet, klutzy mare I
got a 17.1, athletic, bold eventer type who required professional
handling.
See, this breeding is simple. It's all in knowing what you are
doing.
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From: [email protected]
Newsgroups: bboard
Subject: Horseback riding for the novice/intermediate equestrian
Date: 24 Jun 86 16:55:54 GMT
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman, Cambridge, MA
[List coordinator's note -- this is a BOSTON area inquiry]
I had been wondering if any of you good folks might know where one
can go to ride horses. I would like to find a place that has trails
and horses that do not insist upon English style riding. At one point
some years back I had ridden horses around the Franklin park area, but
I never did discover the name of the place, and could not find it again.
It was nice in that they had a guide that went with us, and there were
pretty trails.
It would be nice to find something like that, only, if possible more
in the western suburbs (Waltham, Lexington, Concord, Newton, Wellesley,
and west or northwest of there).
If you know of a good place that perhaps even offers lessons (Western
interests me far more than does English style) please let me know.
I'd be interested in the prices, too, for riding and for lessons if
offered (per hour, per half hour...).
Thanks,
Bj
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From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Horseback riding for the novice/intermediate equestrian
Date: 24 Jun 86 19:46:45 GMT
Just a comment on Barbara's search ... as it turns out, finding a place
that will make horses available to the public is hard and getting harder.
There are enough dangerous things that can happen to a rider of unknown
experience when they get a horse that such establishments are finding that
they can't get liability insurance any more.
Consequently, the number of public stables is on the wane. The public
stable in the Kentucky Horse Park (no fly-by-night) had to close because of
this. Even lesson stables for more serious riders are more reluctant to
offer school horses to new clients.
Some of Judy's experiences trying to find a lesson stable around her new
home in New Jersey reflect this phenomenon.
--
Ken Rossen ...!{ihnp4,harvard,seismo}!bbnccv!krossen
____or____ [email protected] -or- [email protected]
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Subject: Horse talk
Date: 25 Jun 86 08:28:22 EDT (Wed)
From: [email protected]
(Where's Mr. Ed?....in the great pasture in the sky)
Certainly, I would be happy to get on the digest mailing list.
While I can make no claims to any equestrian skills (other than
being able to stroke, and sit (badly) on a horse) I do like these
animals as a class.
I am also challenging myself to relearn how to sketch horses,
so if you know of any place that is nearby that wouldn't mind
my sitting around taking pictures of their horseflesh please
let me know. I was thinking that a riding place (and I do intend
to do some riding) might be easier, but if they are that scarce
then I'd settle for some place that has horses out to pasture
where I could watch them.
If I had the opportunity to meet the owners, I might hopefully
be able to watch the horses at fairly close range, and would
be happy to share any good pictures of their horses I happen to get.
I know I said sketch, however, I was told that, especially
for a beginner, it is easier to work from good pictures, and
seeing as how photography is another hobby, I would be only
too happy to photograph horses out in the fields, or being
ridden, or eating, or just hanging around.
As a kid I was lucky, I used to know people who had dairy farms
(and a horse or two) as well as some other folks who had some
stables. I used to get to help muck out stables and clean and
curry horses (and cows for the 4H fair). Those days, sigh, are
long gone.
I happened to wander by what used to be the dairy farm, and to
my horror it is being dug up for condos. Glad I don't live in
that town anymore, it is losing what little charm it had.
Anyhow, this is getting chatty, thanks for your help, and
for putting me into the digest mailing list when you get a
chance.
Bj
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Date: Wed, 25 Jun 86 11:06:36 EDT
From: Karen Rossen <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Lunging and "What kind of horse should I buy?"
Regarding lunging, to Katrina, who wants to start her yearling on the lunge
line:
"Training Your Own Horse, " by Mary Rose, FBHS, and "The Complete Training of
Horse and Rider," by Alois Podhajsky, both have pretty good discussions of
lunging a young horse.
But actually yearling is a bit young to start *extensive* lunging (danger to
young legs, etc.). Have you considered long lining instead? Also, if
you've never taught a horse to lunge before (or long line for that matter),
taking a lesson or two from a professional skilled at ground work might not
be a bad idea at all -- after all, you may not want your own prize yearling
to be your "guinea pig!"
As far as equipment goes you may find a lunging cavesson more useful than
a halter -- the cavesson is made specially for lunging and is less likely
to twist around. And be sure to start canter work on a nice BIG circle.
Give him the whole lunge line, and then you may still have to walk some.
Regarding Beth and, "What kind of horse should I buy?":
In a nutshell, for a first horse you should buy a REAL EXPERIENCED ONE, one
who can "teach you the ropes," so to speak. The guidance of an experienced
instructor or other mentor is also advisable. As to breed, good first
horses come in all flavors. That said, I would at least think twice before
buying, for your first one, a horse of one of the "hotter" breeds like
Thoroughbreds and Arabians (also, by the way, Trakehners, which are *very*
different from the other European warmblood breeds -- much less stable as a
group).
Yes, warmbloods are nice, but also a rather hot ticket in dressage and
hunter-jumper circles. (Cathy -- more and more h/j people are coming to
see the possibilities of warmbloods not only as jumpers but as hunter and
equitation horses, too. Fancier, finer ones are being imported to fill the
demand [e.g. "Hann. g. 5 yr. chosen w/the hunter rider in mind" --from an
ad in the Chronicle]. One of the top conformation yearlings in the country
is 1/2 Hannoverian, as is the Amateur Owner horse Ruxton) "Hot ticket"
translates into dollars, which is neither bad nor good, but certainly
something you'll want to keep in mind. Warmblood or Quarter Horse,
TB/Percheron cross or Connemarra pony, *please* do yourself a favor and
don't get a green one for your first one, especially since for working
folks time and money may be at a premium, and a greenie may well end up
costing you buckets of both -- I know, I know, "We'll train him, and then
he'll be worth more" -- well, not unless you're quite experienced.
Otherwise you'll probably end up hiring an awful lot of help *or* going it
yourself and ending up in trouble.
Karen Rossen
P.S. Regarding my earlier warning from the hotter breeds, age can be a
great leveller. A Thoroughbred who at age 4 was a tough nut to crack for
someone experienced can be at age 14 mellowed enough to be wonderful for a
beginner.
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Date: Thu, 26 Jun 86 08:35:36 edt
From: [email protected] (Judy Grass)
Subject: A report on Essex
Hello again.
I took you advice, and Saturday morning, as early as I could manage,
saddled up my car and headed for Gladstone to watch the endurance phase of
the Essex Three-Day Event. This was a Preliminary level event. There
were four competitions: in the morning -- Junior and Senior Preliminary.
In the afternoon -- Young Rider and Open preliminary. The course for the
afternoon was significantly more difficult than the one in the morning (and
according to my USCTA omnibus, the requirements to enter those were pretty
stringent).
Lesson number one: Preliminary refers to the horse, not the rider. Bruce
Davidson (multi-time member of the US olympic team) rode a horse in the
senior preliminary, and won. Torrence W. Fleishmann -- 1984 Olympic Silver
Medalist -- was entered in the Open Preliminary. She withdrew after the
steeplechase (her horse didn't come through sound).
For those of you not familiar.. The three day event consists of three
phases: Day 1: a dressage test. Day 2: The endurance phase. And if you
get through that Day 3: Stadium Jumping. The Endurance phaseconsists of
four parts: phase A: Roads and tracks. This is a warmup (at a trot or
occasional slow canter) for phase B: a Steeplechase (one horse at a time
against the clock). then phase C: More Roads and tracks to cool down from
the steeplechase. After this the horses get a 10 minute break and a once
over by the veterinarian to make sure they are fit enough to handle the 2
3/4 mile cross country course. A fair number of horses did not past are
were withdrawn. Phase D is the cross-country. Not quite so fast as the
steeplechase, but nasty solid (and tricky) fences (about 20 of them). And
the terrain is up and down hills, into and out of woods and in general not
uniform.
I had a lot of fun watching all this. Attending the endurance phase can be
excellent exercise for a spectator too. You are allowed to wander all over
the course, with the provision that you do not get in the way of the horses
or interfer in the event. Since horses are starting off approximately
every 5 minutes (supposed to be 3, but didn't actually seem to work out
that way) there is plenty of time to go between jumps. I walked the
entire course and got photographs of just about all of them.
There were over 100 people entered in this, and probably twice that number
involved in judging fences, repairing them , announcing, keeping spectators
out of the way of the event, acting as outriders, etc. It takes a massive
effort to run one of these things (no wonder there are relatively few).
Probably about 75 of those horses made it through Dressage and phases A-C
to actually do the cross-country. Of those, all but a few (10 or so)
completed it one way or another. I saw a few falls, a few refusals
(especially at the water). Mostly, the horses and riders did beautifully
(some with more style than others, but in cross-country you get no points
for flash).
I saw one fall on the steeplechase that really scared me. A girl (16yrs
old or so.. definately a girl) came flying off her horse after the first
jump and hit the ground still grabbing the reins. The horse was in a
steamed up gallop, he wasn't stopping, so she let himn drag her, got kicked
several times, and I sincerely thought she was going to get trampled.
Finally the horse did stop. She sat on the grass for awhile, caught her
breath, got back on and finished the steeplechase. Lots of guts. I'm not
sure how much brains. I hope if it ever happened to me that I would let
the horse go. I asked my dressage instructor (Sally Harden, she's ridden
at that event) what she would do in that situation. She said : Let go.
So, you don't HAVE to be crazy to ride in an event.
Most of the other incidents were what you would expect. Stopping at the
water, shying at a shadow, an occasional run-out...
I have been told (by Sally Harden) that the cross-country course at Essex
has gotten considerably easier, and the optimum times slower since three
years ago. (When she broke her back there). I didn't see much that I
would care to try any time in the near future, but I also think that no-one
got badly hurt this year either. If they have eased up some, it is
probably not a bad thing. Leave Intermediate for the Intermediates. I
find it hard to beleive that the course I saw there was a mere two steps up
from Novice (via Training Level). My suspicion: There are a lot of subtle
gradations of difficulty that are not reflected by the labels the USCTA has
put on the levels.
Oh well, back to work.
Judy Grass (Bell Labs, Murray Hill)
ulysses!jeg
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Date: Thu, 26 Jun 86 14:27:37 pdt
From: sun.com!sunrise!husky!eagle!pic%[email protected]
Subject: Hi there!!!
Hi there!!!
I did get your introductory stuff on the horse digest and am looking
forward to getting more! Paul Haust had told me about this group, but I had
never got around to subscribing. The "gift" subscription is really a neat
idea! I have been riding now for about 5 years on a regular basis (mostly
western tho I just started English saddle seat) and have leased horses for
the past two years, and am now in a market for my own. I have dreams of
showing western pleasure,western trail, and/or trail endurance. I hope to
own a saddlebred one of these days. Needless to say anything about horse
care, owning, and buying is of great interest to me, and any tips on
showing for my future plans.
hope to hear from you in the future!
pat corl
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| 77.3 | Equestrian Digest Issue #32 | RADON::BELANGER | Boycott Boycotts! | Wed Dec 10 1986 23:28 | 280 |
| Equestrian Digest Tue 1 Jul 1986 Issue 32
Today's Topics:
New/Old Subscribers
Gladstone and horse story (retransmission)
Lunging
Subscription
warm-blooded, a definition needed
Info, please.
horses and bears
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Date: Tue, 1 Jul 86 14:41:44 EDT
From: [email protected] (Equestrian Digest Coordinator)
Subject: New/Old Subscribers
Reply-To: [email protected] (Ken Rossen)
Herb Kanner is back, now at apple:
Herb Kanner <[email protected]> -or- <decwrl!nsc!apple!kanner>
There are three new subscribers:
Lisa Ann Miller <CS23001%[email protected]>,
Kristine Topliff <[email protected]>,
R. Verzyl <seismo!akgua!cpsc53!rv>
Welcome! And happy 4th to all.
Also, if anyone among you is in touch with Cathy Modica (riccb!cpm) of
Rockwell, Downers Grove, please let her know I'm trying to reach her but
don't yet seem to have succeeded.
--
Ken Rossen ...!{ihnp4,harvard,seismo}!bbnccv!horse-request
____or____ [email protected] -or- [email protected]
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Date: Fri, 20 Jun 86 07:43:19 edt
From: jeg%[email protected]
Subject: Gladstone and horse story (retransmission)
(List coordinator's note: This article was actually written BEFORE Judy's
article that appeared in Issue 31, but I didn't receive it due to mail
problems. It is probably still timely enough to appear)
More horse stories:
This week I was going to start jumping lessons at Floradale Farms. It was
evidently not meant to be (this week at any rate). My instructor, a young
fellow named Robert Blake, asked me to call ahead to confirm. Well, I did
and was told to postpone the lesson to the next day because there had been
an accident. He had been riding, and the horse had fallen and broken its
neck. The horse was dead and the rider OK, but very shaken up. I thought
he must have been out jumping on a cross country course or something for
that to happen. This set me to wondering just how reckless the locals
were... I went last night for the postponed lesson. It was cancelled.
The horse in question was a school horse, and the one I was supposed to
ride.
What had happened, in fact, was that Robert had been on a fairly quiet
hack, jumped a few very small fences and the horse had a heart attack.
They were cantering along when the horse tripped three times and fell out
from under him. I am sincerely glad that if the horse was going to have
the heart attack, that I was not riding him at the time. My equestrian
life here so far has included very little riding, but certainly hasn't been
dull.
I finally got in touch with Kathy Cook, chair of the Bell Labs riding club.
We had a long and animated talk. It seems the club's principal activity is
lessons at Watchung Stables. I want more demanding lessons than that.
What I am hoping for from this club is a chance to talk to local active
riders about what is happening around here, and a chance to swap horse
stories...
Enough for now. If I get a chance to go to the event this weekend, I will
file a report. Tah...
Judy Grass ulysses!jeg
P.S. The mailer didn't address this right, so it came back to me. I have
learned some things since. The thing happening this weekend is the Essex
3-day event. This is the same one my dressage insTructor broke her back at
three years ago. The events go up to preliminary level. Bruce Davidson
has a horse entered in it. THis is also no freebie to see. They are going
to collect 10$ per car per day. I wish I could fill mine.
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From: [email protected] (Joyce Andrews)
Subject: Lunging
Date: 29 Jun 86 09:19:50 EST (Sun)
In answer to how to train on the lunge, I have always started out
with a second person leading while I stand in the middle (hey,
I'm not dumb!). You get some poor starved-for-the-smell-of-
horse-manure teenage girl to lunge with the horse. With you in
the middle, using the whip BEHIND the horse's plane so that he is
always moving away from the plane of the whip, work the horse as
you would naturally work on the lunge. Use voice commands, too,
so that the outside worker can lead the horse according to your
commands.
Am I explaining this correctly? You have you in the middle, with
the line in the hand that the horse is moving and the whip in the
other. You have the horse on the end of the line at the outside
of the lunge circle. And you have this poor teenage girl on the
outside of the horse, with a lead line. You flick the whip
(BEHIND the plane of the horse) and say trot. The teenage girl
trots and the horse, having been taught to lead, trots, too. You
then say Whoa or Stop or whatever your command will be, and the
teenage girl stops (if she isn't listening to Springsteen on her
Walkman) and so does the horse. You say walk and they walk. It
doesn't work if the teenage girl is your own daughter, 'cause
then she won't do what you say.
You don't have to condition the horse with the teenager out
there, you understand. No 20-minute trots on the right diagonal
to build up some muscles. Think what the teenage girl would look
like with one thigh bigger than the other. This is to teach
commands only. Do lots of transitions--walk, stop, trot, stop,
walk, trot. Stop a lot.
One beauty of this technique is that you can start a young horse
on a long line. I always felt sorry for young horses made to go
in little bitty circles before their coordination was ready for
little bitty circles.
When you get the walk/stop/trot stuff down pat, canter is
easy--just push the horse into a canter by using the whip. If
the lead is wrong, Whoa immediately and start over. When the
lead is right, relax and let the horse hit his stride and be
comfortable. They learn pretty fast. By the way, don't try to
teach the canter while the teenage girl is still on the lead
line. Unless she is a track star and needs the exercise.
After the working gets comfortable, add pads and then a saddle.
A little weight on the saddle, and you can follow that with a
rider who can sit still. Still on the lunge, let the rider give
signals for stop, trot, walk, etc. at the same time you are
giving the lunge signals the horse already knows. He stays
comfortable because you aren't asking him to do anything he
doesn't understand, and you stay comfortable because you are in
the middle of the circle and someone else is on his back.
The transition from rider on the lunge line to rider without the
lunge line is smooth. Be sure, though, that all transitions are
made when the horse is COMPLETELY COMFORTABLE with the previous
lesson. Go slowly, and carefully, and use a LONG line. Don't
ask a young horse to do sharp turns.
The hardest part of this training is teaching the horse to
lead--every new step is built on that. He never has to learn
something that is completely new--just a variation of an old
theme.
Of course it's never that simple, but you're not supposed to know
that until you get into it. That's what the books do--tell you
to follow something step-by-step and your horse forgot to read
the book.
Have fun!!
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Subject: Subscription
From: CS23001%[email protected] (Lisa Ann Miller)
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 86 10:54:07 EDT
Saw your digest on the bulletin board at Bitnic and would love
to receive your mailings. I understand you deal with all
types of horse related subjects. My primary interests are
in training Paso Finos and Peruvian Paso horses. I am also
interested in articles relating to equitation.
Would like to receive any back issues you may have available
if it is convenient. I look forward to reading your digest.
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Date: Sat, 28 Jun 86 15:53:24 pdt
From: sun.com!sunrise!husky!eagle!pic%[email protected]
Subject: warm-blooded, a definition needed
I have been noticing the term "warm-blood" and "warm-blooded" being used
alot in the articles sent to me as an introduction to the newsgroup. Can
anyone give me a definition or explination of the terms since I have never
heard them used around here (here is Rochester NY).... thanks a bunch.
Also can anyone give me some recomendations as to the kinds of properties to
look for in a good competetive trail horse???
pat corl
{sunrise,rochester,ritcv}!kodak!husky!pic
US mail: Pat Corl
125-E Spanish Trail
Rochester NY, 14612
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Date: Thu, 26 Jun 86 17:11:44 EDT
From: Kristine Topliff <[email protected]>
Subject: Info, please.
I saw Ken Rosen's message on bboard and decided to write. I too am interested
in riding. A group of bbner's have gone to Bob's in Acton. The location is nice
and the horses are very good ( for riding stable nags). My problem is that I am
an experienced rider and find it frustrating to be led through the woods (at a
walk) for $10 or $15 per hour.
Does anyone know of a place to get a real ride?
Kris
x2569
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Date: Sun, 29 Jun 86 16:14 EDT
From: <PUY%[email protected]>
Subject: horses and bears
A quick hello, after being in Europe for 6 weeks. Scientific
field work, not much time for investigating the horse scene there.
Did notice a lot of warmbloods in Belgium, saw some Andulusians in
Spain, didn't notice many horses in the area of southern France
where we were working (about halfway between Bordeaux and Toulouse).
Anyway, thought I'd take a couple of minutes out of the getting
back to business routine to tell a little story that some of you
city slicker digest readers may get a kick out of. I keep my 8
yr old Arab gelding with a friend's 27 yr old Saddlebred on her
property in rural central Pa. Hundred's of acres of great trail riding,
except during deer hunting season, but that's another story.
Well, yesterday my boyfriend and I took the horses for a short trail
ride, basically just to get them out of pasture boredom and to get
me in the saddle again after so long. We came in around dusk, and
Evan got off at the house to take in my 28 lb (groan) western saddle
and the rest of the tack, while I went off to lead the horses down
to the lower pasture. I had Kahila by the halter in my right hand,
and his buddy Daquiri by the reins in my left hand. Almost all the
way down the path, near the gate to the pasture, Daquiri stops dead
in his tracks. I turned to look at him, and then turned back to see
what he was staring at. Right ahead of us, between us and the gate,
was a big black animal. At first I thought it was a huge dog, and
when it turned around to look at us, and then lumbered off, I realized
that it was a black bear! Well, it disapearred into the then inky
woods within a few steps, so I hesitated a few seconds and then
continued to lead the horses through the gate. After we got past the
point where the bear had been, Daquiri tried to bolt, but I held
onto both of them long enough to get their headgear off, so they could
run back to the barn. To my amazement, Daquiri just stood there
trembling, while my usually wimpy Arab started smelling the ground
near the gate, stamping his feet and snorting loudly. Obviously, the
bear had been in the pasture, but it was still pretty far from the house.
When my boyfriend and I went back out to investigate a few minutes
later, the horses were still in the lower pasture, but away from the
gate. When we started walking toward the gate, the horses followed
from behind, practically walking on tiptoes. By then it was way too
dark to see anything in the woods surrounding the pasture.
Well, my apologies to those of you rugged types who wouldn't
blink at a grizzly, but for this Detroit girl it was an amazing
experience to be within 100 feet of a bear that wasn't in a zoo.
I was surprised at how the horses reacted, and how big those "little
eastern black bears" can get!
Have any of you had experiences with encountering bears while
on horseback? I'd like to know how *other* horses react, and whether
a horse can outrun a bear. (I'm sure that I couldn't).
Well, gotta get back to some real computer work. Happy Trails,
Eileen Perry.
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| 77.4 | Equestrian Digest Issue #33 | RADON::BELANGER | Boycott Boycotts! | Wed Dec 10 1986 23:29 | 270 |
| Equestrian Digest Mon 14 Jul 1986 Issue 33
Today's Topics:
Subscribers
"What kind of horse ... ?"
Fly Spray WARNING!
Re: Info, please. - Eq. Digest #32
Hi
Horse Mailing List
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 86 10:18:44 EDT
From: [email protected] (Equestrian Digest Coordinator)
Subject: Subscribers
Reply-To: [email protected] (Ken Rossen)
I've lost Tracey Baker <vax135!tab>, but there are two new subscribers:
Cathy Modica <ihnp4!riccb!cpm>,
Karen Seo <[email protected]> -or- <ihnp4!bbnccv!kseo>
and we have one new contributor from the readership of the EQUITATION
notesfile at Digital:
Jennie Lemire <lemire%[email protected]>
Finally, I've introduced Deryl Burr before (and she's introduced herself,
of course), but I should mention that her husband and riding buddy Rod
also has an address:
Rod Burr <burr%[email protected]>
Welcome, all, and keep those cards and letters coming!
--
Ken Rossen ...!{ihnp4,harvard,seismo}!bbnccv!horse-request
____or____ [email protected] -or- [email protected]
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From: Carl Deitrick <[email protected]>
Subject: "What kind of horse ... ?"
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 86 04:45:34 pdt
> If you were to get a horse what kind would you get?
> How old would it be? How much would you pay?
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>If you are serious about riding, and you enjoy english and jumping, I would
>recommend a Thoroughbred/Percheron cross. Why? Well I own one, and they
>are very friendly, easy going, and sound horses. They make VERY GOOD heavy
>hunters, and they love to jump.
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>.. a warm blood may be a good prospect..... If I were buying a horse today
>it would be a mare ( they seem to be "nicer or more understanding" also
>when they get old they can be brrod mares,...)
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>...I would at least think twice before buying, for your first one, a horse
>of one of the "hotter" breeds like Thoroughbreds and Arabians.
EEEEEEAAAAAAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!! Are we going to go through this
again? I thought we had thrashed this out once before:
LOOK AT THE HORSE AND NOT AT THE BREED!!
To answer the original question, my first horse would be an aged gelding.
"Aged" means over ten years old.
Why a gelding? Well, look at it this way: You have three choices for the
sex of the animal. It can be a stallion, a mare, or a gelding. Unless you
have a lot of experience and plan to do your own breeding, a stallion is
out of the question because they tend to be aggressive and hard to handle.
No boarding stable I've ever heard of will let you bring one in. Mares can
be unpredictable when they come into heat. You'll never know when some
mares come into heat; others are damn near unapproachable. Geldings, on the
other hand, don't have to deal with testosterone like a stallion or
estrogen like a mare, so they tend to be very even-tempered.
Why aged? Well, by the time a horse reaches ten years old, he's pretty much
set for life. There probably won't be any more surprises. If he's going to
develop bad or dangerous habits, he most likely will have done so by now.
An aged horse will know his work well enough that you can learn from him (
trying to train a horse while you're still learning is impossible). An aged
horse is much calmer than a younger horse.
Breed is irrelevant except as it relates to size of the horse. If you're a
six foot two inch 190 pound man, you'll probably not want to buy an Arab,
which tend to be too small to carry someone that size. On the other hand,
if you're a five foot 95 pound woman, you'd probably feel uncomfortable on
a 17'2 TB/Clydesdale cross.
Other than for size, BREED IS IRRELEVANT!! LOOK AT THE HORSE AND NOT AT THE
BREED!! The desire to jump is not restricted solely to TB/Percheron
crosses, TBs and Arabs may be calm as clams, and Appaloosas can be
excellent English horses. Assigning attributes to a horse on the basis of
it's breed (e.g. All TBs are wild and crazy) makes as much sense as
assigning attributes to people on the basis of their race or nationality
(e.g. all blacks have rythm, all Orientals are inscrutable). It's nonsense,
pure and simple.
Choosing an aged gelding is not to say that you should choose a broken down
old nag. Older horses will have more health problems than younger horses,
but you can still find one that's healthy and sound enough for what you
want to do. Any horse you choose should be "suitably sound" and built to
stay that way. You need professional advice when you go looking for a
horse.
It's hard to say how much you shoud pay for your first horse, because the
price depends so much on the market in a given area. Here in the Chicago
area, I think I could get a good first horse for someone for $1500-$2000.
Any more than that you're wasting your money. Any less than that and the
horse probably has problems that you don't want to deal with.
Send me mail if you have any questions.
Carl Deitrick
ihnp4!ihu1n!cbd
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Date: Wed 9 Jul 86 14:52:43 CDT
From: [email protected]
Subject: Fly Spray WARNING!
I recently had a problem that every one else can avoid. My trainer's working
student sprayed my horse with bug spray while getting the horse ready for the
trainer to ride. Unfortunately, she did it *before* she put the saddle on the
horse and managed to get some on his back where the saddle goes. The horse
developed a nice patch of blisters about the size of my hand on both sides of
his spine right below the saddle's cantle. I couldn't ride the horse for two
weeks while the blisters healed.
Spray your horse with insect repellent only after you get him tacked up. Do
not spray the horse on covered areas (e.g. under the girth or saddle) that
will also sweat a lot. You're gonna have problems if you do. Of course,
avoid spraying the horse's head directly (you can get the spray in his
eyes). Spray the repellent in your hand and wipe it on the horse's head.
Carl Deitrick
ihnp4!ihu1n!cbd
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Date: Friday, 11 Jul 1986 06:27:31-PDT
From: lemire%[email protected]
Subject: Re: Info, please. - Eq. Digest #32
Hi, I'm just another digit at DEC who is also an equinophile.
A shiver went down my spine when you mentioned Bobby's Ranch in
Acton. I haven't been there in a few years, but what I saw was
very disheartening. Some friends of my husband and I, who like
to ride now and again, had been pestering us to go with them. I
lease a horse and have been riding since day 1, my husband rides
almost never. I finally agreed - they kept saying how good the
horses were, what fun we'd have, etc.
When we arrived, I looked around the barn. No bedding in the stalls.
The horses came in from the previous trail ride, all sweating. Riders
dismounted, new riders mounted. No breaks. The horse I was to ride
came in lame, and I got a different one. All the horses were skinny,
with ribs and hipbones sticking out, scrawny necks, you get the picture.
For people who are not around horses a lot, these things aren't noticeable,
but for experienced horsepeople, it is upsetting.
We went off into the woods. When we hit a dirt road, the leader took
off at a gallop, and every horse took off after them. Except mine, who
I was holding back, and my husband was trying to stop his, since he
is only comfortable at a walk. I vowed that if I was going to ride
one of these overworked horses, at least all it would do is walk for
an hour. We did have to trot a little to catch up. This sort of
thing was repeated throughout the ride.
I have never been back. One of the people who took us there told us
about this horse that Bobby had gotten who wouldn't behave, was
bucking people off, so Bobby taught him a lesson. Got on him and
kept hitting him ON HIS HEAD until he finally stopped bucking and
rearing. Yep, that horse behaved after that...
I hope the place has cleaned up its act. Let me know if all this is
just ancient history.
So, where can a person get a decent ride around here (Boston)? You
should take lessons, since places that rent horses by the hour are
few and far between in these days of escalating liability insurance.
How about Arrowood Stables in Concord, which Deryl Burr spoke of
recently, or The Riding School in Weston (where I ride), or Pegasus
Farms in Westford. All of these places are reputable and take
good care of their horses. You will get your money's worth and learn
a lot to boot.
Sincerely,
Jennie Lemire
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 86 15:46:56 EDT
From: Deryl Burr <[email protected]>
Subject: Hi
My husband and I have been enjoying our horse for almost a month now.
My, how time flies. Our horse is a 12 year old thoroughbred gelding. He
stands 16 hands 2 inches and a very silky bay. His "official" name is
"What a Blast", (that is what is registration form from the Jocky Club says.)
The name he is called is Hastings.
We have had a very good time with him so far. The week after we
bought him, Rod and I went to our first, ever, Horse Show. I showed in
the Adult Walk Trot Division. There were two classes in that division,
with about 10 entries. I took 6th place in the Equitation and a
5th place in the Pleasure class.
Rod showed in the Adult Over Cross Rails Division. There were
three class in that division, with about 20 entries. The three classes
were Equitation, Pleasure, and Over Jumps. ( The jumps in this division
were 18 inches high.) Rod did not do as well as I. But he did come away
with a 4th place ribbon in the Pleasure class.
All in all, I think we did very well. Given how short a time
we have been riding. Rod has only been riding 3 years. I have more
experience since I took lessons as a child, however I had to all most
learn everything over. Our Instructor teaches Balance Seat, I had
learned Dressage seat, oh well.
I guess that is a bit more about us.
Deryl Burr
[email protected]
PS Hastings is still for half lease if you are interested. Call (617)648-4469
He is stabled in Concord Mass.
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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 86 00:54:51 EDT
From: [email protected]
Subject: Horse Mailing List
July 10, 1986
Hi,
Gee, I wish I had known about the mailing list. Maybe someone
would have been interested in my mare. Although I have a feeling
that being a brood mare is right up her alley. Sure I'd love
to be on the list, although right now I'm into the dog show scene.
I've decided that dog showing is much easier, all I have to do is
open the car door, say "car ride guys", and I get very willing passengers!
Much easier than wrapping legs, tails, and coaxing large animals
into small spaces.
When I was into the dressage I trained with Fatima Nelson,
Natalie Lamping's sister.
Most of my jumping training came when I was a kid,
mostly from Mike McGuinn the former owner of Coach House Stables in
Northbrook, before it burned down in 1970.
If I have anything to add to the horse stuff I won't hesitate.
If you need to know any dog stuff, let me know.
Cathy Modica
PS I've tried to send this a ton of
times, hopefully this will make it through!!!
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| 77.5 | Equestrian Digest Issue #34 | RADON::BELANGER | Boycott Boycotts! | Wed Dec 10 1986 23:30 | 330 |
| Equestrian Digest Thu 24 Jul 1986 Issue 34
Today's Topics:
Subscribers
Introduction (Hunting)
riding lessons
Re: "What kind of horse ... ?"
The Compleat Equestrian
Gelding Cleaning
Intro ... Cathy Modica
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Date: Wed, 23 Jul 86 18:17:04 EDT
From: [email protected] (Equestrian Digest Coordinator)
Subject: Subscribers
Reply-To: [email protected] (Ken Rossen)
Ed Carroll <infinet!carroll> has left Infinet and the mail space, so he's
off the list at least for now.
These are the newest subscribers:
Marsha Cummings <[email protected]> -or- <ihnp4!bbnccv!mcumming>,
Nancy Frost <$NEF%[email protected]>,
Bob Nilson <ihnp4!mb2c!ccd700!ccd670!nilson>
Welcome, all of you. Enjoy!
--
Ken Rossen ...!{ihnp4,harvard,seismo}!bbnccv!horse-request
____or____ [email protected] -or- [email protected]
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Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1986 09:50 -
From: Martin L. Levin <SOC%[email protected]>
Subject: Introduction (Hunting)
As a new subscriber, I thought I should describe my
equestrian involvement and that of my wife's. I ride to
hounds and am the Master of the Shakerag Hounds which is the
recognized hunt in Atlanta. In fact, I am one of those
people who ride to hunt. Just about the only time I do ride
is when we are hunting or training hounds. Fortunately for
me, my wife Sherry is a professional horseperson. We (she)
has a 34 stall boarding and training center about 100 yards
from the kennels specializing in dressage, combined training
and, of course, foxhunting. She uses my hunters in the
lesson program which keeps them fit and probably better
trained than I would. The name of her establishment is
Ninebarks Stables Riding Center and it is located on the
northern side of Atlanta. Most of horses are thoroughbreds,
but we also have several quarter horses and occasionally a
warmblood and/or cross-bred.
Since we are located on the hunt country, we have plenty of
trails where we can get the horses legged-up and, since we
built our home on the property about three years ago, I have
discovered the definition of true luxury. It is hacking to
the hunt, having a real whiz-banger, hacking home, handing
your horse to one of the working students to walk-out and
put-up, and going to the house for a nap.
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Date: Fri, 18 Jul 86 14:20:57 EDT
From: Maureen Donovan <[email protected]>
Subject: riding lessons
Hi,
I have a 10 year old niece who just loves horses and is interested in
learning to ride. She lives in the Groton area and I would like to take
her to a reputable place for a chance to ride. If she still seems as
anxious to ride then as she appears now I'd be interested in having her
take a couple of lessons on me and then possibly her parents would step
in and continue the lessons there.
I am interested in your advice in the area of reputable 'ranches' with
caring teachers.
Thanks,
Maureen
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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 86 13:07:21 MDT
From: [email protected] (Carol Taylor)
Subject: Re: "What kind of horse ... ?"
Here are some more comments about buying that first horse that I feel
must be said.
In the last digest Carl Deitrick expounded on his views regarding
purchasing the "first horse". While I realize that this subject has been
explored to death, I couldn't let this one go by without adding some of my
own biased views. I agree somewhat with Carl that horses should be judged
on their own individual merits rather than by breed. But he goes on to
emphasize that breed should not even be considered in selecting a horse
except for size. Sorry, Carl, but I can't agree. Lets discuss why people
advocate against the "hotter" breeds like Arabs and TB's for novice riders.
Unlike different races of people who are free to choose their mates and are
not selectively matched for certain traits, horse breeds and other domestic
animals have been selectively bred for hundreds of years. Thus, Arabians
were originally bred for intelligence, stamina, hardiness and speed. Today,
they are unfortunately bred for looks, even above ability. Temperment (defined
as calmness, easy to work with, and steadiness) has not been emphasized.
Arabs tend to be more tempermental, and flighty than some other horse breeds
as well as more intelligent which adds it's own training problems. I am
speaking from experience since I own one and have worked with lots of others.
Likewise, TB's have been intensively bred for speed and athletic ability while
temperment and intelligence have NOT been emphasized. TB's have a tendency to
have a lot of GO without the brains to temper it, plus some of the quirkiest
natures that I have seen. I could go on (probably forever) about other
characteristics in horse breeds that make them more likely "first horse"
candidates, but that could take a long time. In my 18 years of riding
and working with my own and others' horses, I would say that the individual
horse is the more important factor in buying a horse, but breed plays an
important part in the selection process which becomes an even more important
factor depending on how specific is the horses intended use. A hefty quarter
horse makes a poor endurance prospect but an excellent roping horse, just as
a percheron will likely make a poor world-class open jumper ... need I say
more?
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Subject: The Compleat Equestrian
Date: 21 Jul 86 18:53:44 EDT (Mon)
From: [email protected]
[List coordinator's note: This article appeared on the local Dave Barry
mailing list, which is coordinated by Dave Mankins <[email protected]>.
I'm reprinting it here for its obvious relevance.]
The inside track: One of these days, the
Horses will wise up
By Dave Barry
I am well-qualified to write about horses. I was on one once. It was a
rental horse in the Rocky Mountains. The arrangement is that you pay them
money, and they let you sit on their horse for a while. It was my wife's
idea.
So I sat on the horse for about an hour. I can't really say I rode it,
it didn't go anywhere. It just stood there with me on its back and the
Rocky Mountains rising majestically around us and ate and went to the
bathroom. It was better than I expected. I expected to be killed.
The way I see it, you're taking a huge chance when you sit on a horse,
because usually the horse is much bigger than you. Sooner or later, horses
are going to figure this out. All it will take is one smart horse, who
will ask the others: "Why the hell should we let them sit on us? We're
bigger than they are. Next time they try to sit on us, let's sit on them."
Now that I've established my credentials, let's look at the horse-racing
scene. The big news is that no horse will win racing's coveted Triple
Crown this year.
Actually, there is no crown. And even if there were, no horse would be
stupid enough to covet it. Horses refuse to do stupid things. No horse,
for example, has ever bought a lawn ornament.
For a while, it appeared that a girl horse might win the Triple Crown.
("Girl" is, of course, the technical term we horse experts us to refer to
girl horses. Other kinds of horses are "drakes," "chestnuts," "boy horses,"
"heifers," "very small horses," "studs," and "geldings." You should avoid
geldings, because they are most likely to want to kill people.)
Anyway, this girl horse, Large Risk, won the Kentucky Derby, which is the
first jewel in racing's coveted and nonexistent Triple Crown. The Kentucky
Derby is the high point of the year of Kentucky, a state not known for,
say, museums. The actual race takes two minutes. The television
production takes an hour and a half, and usually sets a standard for
time-killing drivel matched only by the Miss America Pageant and the
Academy Awards:
And so the excitement here is mounting at Churchill Downs, as it has been
ever since we went on the air, which seems like about 1956, and speaking of
1956, stay tuned because just as soon as we run eight or ten commercials,
we plan to show every Derby ever run, followed by slow-motion films of this
year's entrants being born and a musical tribute to the mint julep.
One of these years they're going to forget to show the actual race.
Large Risk lost the next Triple Crown race, the Preakness, because a person
sitting on one of the other horses hit her with a stick. The person sitting
on Large Risk protested, but the officials decided that since he had also been
hitting her with a stick, he had no right to complain.
The next big race, the Belmont, takes place in New York, and like everything
else in New York, including the weather, is probably fixed. Nonetheless,
you may want to bet on it especially if you have mush for brains.
You should get a racing form. Racing forms list the horses running in each
race, along with letters and numbers:
1 FULL BLADDER
RPM34-98TNT If 4:45
5:631IBM$$!7896hike
This appears to be gibberish, but race-track regulars study each number and
letter intently. This is because race-track regulars are deranged sickos
who get their kicks watching little guys sit on horses and hit them with
sticks. Of course the letters and numbers are gibberish.
From The Cheyenne Edition 07/11/86
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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 86 15:34:30 CDT
From: [email protected]
Subject: Gelding Cleaning
Here's a question you'll never see addressed in Practical Horseman: How do
I induce a gelding to drop his penis so I can clean his sheath?
The first time I cleaned a horse's sheath the woman running the barn gave
the horse a shot of tranquilizer to make him relax and let down. For a
variety of reasons I've not had to clean a horse's sheath in probably four
years. My situation recently changed (see footnote) and now it's time to do
it myself. I don't want to use a tranquilizer, which didn't work that well
anyway, but I want to do a thorough job. Any advice will be welcome.
Carl Deitrick
ihnp4!ihu1n!cbd
>From November 83 until the end of June 86, I had the horse at a trainer's
barn. The trainer's vet would clean the horse's sheath during one of the
twice-yearly tune ups. I now have the horse at a boarding stable and some
of the services that were done automatically I now have to do for myself.
If you've been thinking of working with Jurgen Gohler, send me mail. I may
be able to save you some grief.
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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 86 06:16:37 cdt
From: Cathy Modica <[email protected]>
Subject: Intro ... Cathy Modica
A (few) word(s) of introduction.
I'm Cathy Modica and I work as a Telephony System Engineer
for Rockwell International on their Common Carrier Switch.
I have been riding for 26 years having started out in the
take lessons once a week mode because that's all Mom and
Dad said I could do. When you're a kid you don't complain
too much as long as you can go to the stable and come home
smelling like one "smell the health".
I began at a stable called Idle Hour which was owned by the
infamous Sy Jayne, but that was well before the Jayne family
feud began. I will admit that when things began to heat up
(.i.e the TriColor Stable car bombing)
my family moved to anther suburb and I changed stables (how
convenient). That's when I started riding at a stable called
Coach House Farms. A very nice H/J barn. Again it was the
once a week lessons. After about a year there I was invited
to train with their show team. What a great way to learn, it
was a 2 hour group lesson and I got to ride the owners' (Mike
McGuinn's) horses for those lessons since not many of the
school horses were capable of the nitty gritty stuff because
they had hard mouthes (wonder why :-)?). At the same time I
got involved with the high school riding club and rode with
them once a week also. Well, the barn they rode at was not
a very high caliber barn, and when the owners of that barn
found out that I was training at Coach House they let me
ride anything and everything that came into that place. What
an experience. The horses I rode there were anything but trained.
But with 10 yrs riding experience behind me I had a riot of
a time and learned how to teach horses how to do everything from
steer to jump.
I had a 4 yr. break while I went to school at Iowa State U.
Originally intending to be a vet, I ended up making the decision
to be able to afford my hobby rather than work with it. I
graduated with a BS in CS and a minor in An-Sci (mostly horse
courses of course !).
After graduation (2 weeks) I bought my first horse, a barely 3 yr old
TB mare, a "silly filly". At the time she only knew fast forward
and full stop. I trained her myself on my 13 yrs of misc. lesson
experience. I also took horse health courses so I could handle
most situations which would crop up. Well, my training paid off
and we did very well on the H/J A-circuit. But that got old and
political, also I wasn't happy the way they turned out the 30-day
wonders. I was taught in the old school where a good horse was
well trained and went on a snaffle not a twisted wire or bicycle
chain. Sooo I switched over to Eventing something not too popular
when I switched. We did OK, but the dressage was lacking, hence
another switch to dressage. Finally I found the old school of thought,
trained horses going nicely on snaffles. Again at the time of
my switch most people didn't even know what dressage was, let alone
have the high powered horses that they have today. We did
very well the year I campaigned my horse ending up 2nd in the
IDA (Ill. Dressage Assoc.) at the training level.
I don't remember why I stopped show I don't think it was a real
decision on my part, I think I just burned out. It's many years
later now and my horse is old, actually I just sold her to some
very wonderful people as a brood mare. They love her dearly and
are busy figuring out when and who to breed her to. I can still
go and ride whenever I want, what a sweet deal. I imagine that
some time in the future I will get another or better yet, one of
her babies!
Sorry this intro got soo long but my fingers got carried away.
I do have one question though, what does anyone
know about the minature horses ? They look so
cute ! How are their tempers, how much do they
cost ? .......
I'm looking forward to reading all this great horsey news !!!!
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| 77.6 | Equestrian Digest Issue #35 | RADON::BELANGER | Boycott Boycotts! | Wed Dec 10 1986 23:31 | 353 |
| Equestrian Digest Thu 14 Aug 1986 Issue 35
Today's Topics:
Subscribers
article submission
Still Here, Still Interested
Horse-request
BITNET mail follows
HORSE FOR SALE
Horse at Home
It's a dirty job, but somebody's got to do it ...
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Date: Thu, 14 Aug 86 22:22:50 EDT
From: [email protected] (Equestrian Digest Coordinator)
Subject: Subscribers
Reply-To: [email protected] (Ken Rossen)
STella Calvert now has her own account:
STella Calvert <decvax!frog!sc>.
Dave Bremer doesn't, but through the courtesy of Steve Rooney he's
one of our five newest subscribers:
Dave Bremer c/o Steve Rooney <[email protected]>,
John Brun <[email protected]>,
Emily Bryant <emilyb%[email protected]>,
Carlyn Lowery <[email protected]>,
Ton van den Bogert <wwdonic%[email protected]>,
Two of these people are at European sites, and we look forward to hearing
more from them about the equestrian scene in Europe.
Take care!
--
Ken Rossen ...!{ihnp4,harvard,seismo}!ccv.bbn.com!horse-request
____or____ [email protected] -or- [email protected]
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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 86 11:31:15 cdt
From: [email protected] (Ron Morgan)
Subject: article submission
Howdy. I'm Ron Morgan, a graduate student at the University of Texas. My riding
experience consists of about 2 years of lessons oriented toward training for
the Western Riding and Western Pleasure class, earning a few extra bucks for
riding other people's horses to "keep them in shape," and about 5 years'
experience as a custom saddlemaker. I think it's great that we have this
group; it's a real experience to ask one of my colleagues if they "ride," and
get an answer like "no, I'm not a cowboy" (-;
First of all, I'd be glad to discuss anything related to saddles and saddle-
making on here (western saddles, that is). If you have any questions, problems,
etc. regarding saddles, I will look forward to discussing them. The person
who taught me the trade was a fourth-generation saddlemaker, specializing in
making practically indestructible working saddles, like 50-pound full double
rigs you could rope bulls with.
A few comments for the poster who was looking for a good riding instructor for
their daughter... I would certainly look for one with a lot of English
experience, especially equitation. One good "test" is to ask how they cue a
horse to change leads: if they do it by reining to the outside, find somebody
else. I'd also look for one with some formal training in horsemanship, such as
a 4-year degree from a riding college.
Regarding the "first horse":
One variable here is the competence of the rider. A horse, as you know, tends
to "come down" to the skill level of the rider. A champion show horse will per-
form like a kludge when ridden by a kludgy rider, so if this is the case, it
not a good idea to get a "top horse" for a first-timer. On the other hand, if
the rider has some experience and skill, a better horse is called for. Better
yet, get him or her an *untrained* horse, say, a halter-broke yearling, and
let the rider train it. There were some good comments there about Arabs being
"temperamental." Having spent a *lot* of time amongst western folks, I can say
that this perception of Arabs is quite common, especially among western-style
riders who are more likely to use forceful methods in training. There's a
definite link, in my opinion, between the Arab's intelligence and his tempera-
ment, and this doesn't go well with hard spurring, quick-training techniques
used by many western trainers. For example, there's a couple of guys near
Austin who claim that they can take an unbroke 2-year-old and turn out a
"started roping horse" in *TWO DAYS*. I'd like to see them try that with an
Arab! Likewise, I've been to cutting horse shows where I could hear the impact
of spurs on the horses side *all the way up in the bleachers*. An Arab is
simply too intelligent to put up with it. He's gonna say, "listen, buddy, if
you hurt me one more time, I'm gonna kick your ass," and then he'll *DO IT* and
the rider will undoubtedly wander off muttering about how "hot-tempered" Arabs
are. I think an Arab can indeed make a good "first horse," IF he is not actually
hot-tempered, and IF the rider understands and respects the Arab's mentality.
He should find the Arab to be a friendly, eager, energetic partner.
Well, like the race horse said, "I gotta run." Adios amigos!
Ron Morgan
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osmigo1, UTexas Computation Center, Austin, Texas 78712
ARPA: [email protected]
UUCP: ihnp4!ut-ngp!osmigo1 allegra!ut-ngp!osmigo1 gatech!ut-ngp!osmigo1
seismo!ut-sally!ut-ngp!osmigo1 harvard!ut-sally!ut-ngp!osmigo1
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From: frog!sc%[email protected]
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 86 03:34:54 edt
Subject: Still Here, Still Interested
wjr (aka Bill) and I went to our first show-jumping yesterday (earlier
today....), the Mount Attatash Equine Classic (seriously considered
carrying a "looking for equine digest readers" sign, but woke too late
to make one.
I have a couple of questions....
There was a rider (I'm deliberately forgetting her name) on a horse I
recognize from ESPN coverage, Amadia. Probably because of the slop
underfoot, Amadia refused a jump. From where I was sitting, it looked
like the rider lost her shit -- flailing away with her whip, yanking
the horse's head around, and mistreating (it seemed to me) a horse
that I've seen as a willing (and safe) performer. Didn't look like
the rider was _communicating_ with the horse, looked like a temper
tantrum.
If anyone else saw that, was I jumping to conclusions (_did_ Amadia
deserve it?) and, is there a generally accepted way of hissing the
rider (I bit my tongue and didn't bellow "shame" but _wanted_ to,
rather a bunch!).
In the same event, the announcer introduced a horse as "Craven V",
though the program gave the name as Craxen V. As wjr said, "Craven" is
a remarkably "bad-magick" name for a jumper. So to distract ourselves
from the joys of getting rained on (8-(), we started trying to think
of really inappropriate names for horses. Here's our list, so far,
and I'd love some more knowledgeable people to add to it.
All Fall Down
Break a Leg
Chagrin Falls
Four Faults
Knockdown
and
Refusal
We enjoyed our first Grandprix, but hope it's somewhat _drier_ next
month. If nothing else, it takes some getting used to, when you expect
horses to go "thudiwhump thudiwhump" but they go "squelshoop
squelshoop" -- kind of like Indy cars with _mufflers_.
I live in the Boston area, horseback riding (at rentahorse stables)
was the only form of outdoor exercise I _ever_ enjoyed enough to do it
_enough_, and I haven't done it for the last eighty pounds. So, are
there any special considerations for fat riders -- like "ride
Clydesdales", or "forget it, lardbottom, you'll turn a good horse into
a hammock!" If you have a recommendation for a specific place, that
should probably come by email, but general discussion might go to the
digest.
STella Calvert
Love is the law, love under will!
Guest Account: {cybvax0!decvax}!frog!sc
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From: zepp%[email protected]
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 86 10:32:18 -0100
Subject: Horse-request
Dear Ken
Please put me on the mailing list concerning equestrian matters.
We ourselves have 2 horses and use them both for dressage and jumping.
All articles will be studied with great interest.
Thanks in advance
[email protected] (John Brun)
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Date: 7 AUG 86 14:22-N
From: WWDONIC%[email protected]
Subject: BITNET mail follows
I would like to be added to the HORSE mailing list.
Ton van den Bogert
Department of Veterinary Anatomy,
University of Utrecht,
P.O. Box 80157
NL-3508 TD Utrecht,
The Netherlands.
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From: [email protected]
Date: 11 Aug 1986 11:02 EDT
Subject: HORSE FOR SALE
I'm mailing this for a member of the ATT equestrian club.
For more information call Sue or send me Email.
-Beth Eades
ihnp4!mtgzz!eme
HORSE FOR SALE
1986 thoroughbred/quarter horse colt, foaled 3/17/86
Paid up for the October NJBHA (NJ bred hunters association)
futurity, registered as a NJBH and eligible to be
registered as a quarter horse.
Asking $3,000 (willing to sell prior to futurity)
More details on request.
Sue Watkins 364-3031 (eve) or (mhuxd!refer)
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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 86 10:55:12 PDT
From: <[email protected]>
Subject: Horse at Home
It's been a long time since I last (=first!) wrote, so I thought
I'd take advantage of a slow Monday to write to my horsey friends
once again.
A year ago June my office moved from downtown San Francisco to the
suburbs and I qualified for relocation benefits. So I figured I buy
a house closer to where I have my horse boarded (about 40 minutes
drive from SF and also about 40 minutes drive from the new office).
I lucked out. I was able not just to find a decent home near the stables,
but rather a decent (but modest) home on some horse property. I have
a half-acre with a 3 stall barn and 1/3 acre pasture. The property
backs onto the California state trail, which is eventually supposed
to be an unbroken trail the length of the state. About a half a mile
down the trail I have an open space, probably a several hundred acres
of "golden hills" (that's Californese for nearly treeless hills
covered with dead brown grass, mainly foxtails, thistles, etc.)
criss-crossed with firetrails.
Zoning regulations limit me to two large "companion" animals, but
if I wanted more none of the neighbors would complain. Besides,
I can't afford to feed another beast right now.
Oriana (my 4 year old Quarter mare) seems a little lonely. There's
a horse next door, but they hardly pay attention to each other. And
the goat on the other side does not seem to be interested in horses.
I thought Oriana would just exercise her heart out with a third acre
to herself, but noooo. Here I go spend my life's savings and commit a
good deal of my income for the next thirty years on a pasture of her own,
and she just stands there. I've been very busy trying to fix up the
place and haven't had much time to ride her, but at least she will
play tag (I'm always "it") if I get in the pasture with her.
She seemed to act cold towards me the first few days (Could a horse
feel anger for being taken away from its home?) but the past few
days she's gotten *very* affectionate. I wish I could afford to
get her a pet to play with.
She doesn't care much for the barn - a think she's frightened of the
new sounds, e.g. the black walnuts that drop onto the metal roof -
and will only come in the barn to eat or drink. That's good because
it cuts down on shavings, but bad because she's caught a cough I think
from being out in the chilly night air.
Fortunately the earth is fairly sandy, unlike the typical adobe in the
region that turns to foot deep muck in the rainy season and sucks the
horseshoes off galloping horses. The pasture is about 80 x 100, just
small enough that she is forced to learn how to do a collected lope.
It's just a little too uneven to train here on, and I will eventually try
to level it out, even though it is a bit slopped. Too small for barrel
racing, but not for western pleasure and reining.
I live alone and it will be quite a burden to always be home at 6am and 6pm
to feed her. Does anybody know much about automatic feeders?
I expect it will cost me about $85/month to keep her. How do the following
figures compare with those in other parts of the country:
Ration Item cost Yearly cost
1 flake alfalfa/day 14/flakes per $8 bale $210
1 flake oat hay/day 12/flakes per $7 bale 210
1 lb vitamins/day 50 lb per $12.95 bag 100
(Vitality Milk Plus)
3 lb corn and oats/day 75 lb per $9.50 bag 140
(Nutrena 2 in 1)
1 bale shavings/week $5.85 per bale 310
1 mineral per quarter $3.75 15
total $985
or $82 per month
And this doesn't include medications, vet fees or fly spray.
Rob Bernardo, San Ramon, CA (415) 823-2417 {ihnp4|dual|qantel}!ptsfa!rob
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Date: Thu, 14 Aug 86 21:59:49 EDT
From: Karen Rossen <[email protected]>
Subject: It's a dirty job, but somebody's got to do it ...
Regarding Carl's question about sheath washing:
Actually, The Chronicle of the Horse *did* address this issue some years ago
but I failed to save the article ... Anyway, I've had 5 geldings over the
years and am thus intimately acquainted with equine personal hygiene.
The first thing to remember about the segment of horse anatomy in
question: he can pull it up just as far as he can stick it out (which
is quite a ways!). Soooo ... if he won't let it down for you the thing
to do (and I got this from a veterinarian's lips) is to stick your arm
right up after it!! (Yes this means you're going to be in elbow deep
fishing for his kidneys ...)
But enough generalities -- to specifics: I recommend wearing thin
rubber surgical gloves -- equip yourself with a bucket of warm water, a
CLEAN sponge and a *mild* easy rinsing soap (I often use those liquid
soaps designed for bathing babies). Mix a bit of the soap into the
water and use the sponge to stuff the preparation up that dark little
tunnel. Now comes the fun part -- ram your arm up said tunnel (which is
now nicely lubricates with soap and water) and, using sponge and
fingers, start swabbing around. If you wear surgical gloves you will
have enough sensitivity to use your fingers to feel around the retracted
penis and pick out all the nasty crudlies. Just keep at it until tunnel
feels smooth and clean and you can find no more crudlies way up there around
(and in??) your buddy's weenie. The trickiest part of sheath cleaning
while the penis is mega-retracted is the rinse. It is handiest if you
can hook a hose to a WARM water supply and just stuff it up (low
pressure please), but if you can't you will need a clean bucket of warm
water and lots of patience to use the sponge repeatedly to rinse over
and over 'til the water runs out clean (and do please use *very* mild
soap and *not* cold water)
Also, Mr. Ed may not appreciate this invasion of his privacy, so a
helper to hold (and, if necessary, twitch) the critter is a good idea. Enjoy.
Karen Rossen
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| 77.7 | Equestrian Digest Issue #36 | RADON::BELANGER | Boycott Boycotts! | Wed Dec 10 1986 23:32 | 488 |
| Equestrian Digest Mon 25 Aug 1986 Issue 36
Today's Topics:
New and Returned Subscribers
new subscriber from Europe
Re: new subscriber from Europe
Greetings from Denmark
the bit controversy
Article on Combined Training
Buying horses in Minnesota
Fixing Loading Problems
Re: Equestrian Digest
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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 86 9:47:37 EDT
From: [email protected] (Equestrian Digest Coordinator)
Subject: New and Returned Subscribers
Reply-To: [email protected] (Ken Rossen)
Robin Crickman and John Hasler, who you may remember as previous subscribers
when they still had a U or Minnesota account, have brought their computer
into the world of UUCP connectivity, and are hence again subscribers:
Robin Crickman and John Hasler <caip!meccts!foundln!{robin,john}>.
We also have one new subscriber:
Leslie Kaelbling <[email protected]>.
Welcome, and welcome back.
--
Ken Rossen ...!{ihnp4,harvard,seismo}!ccv.bbn.com!horse-request
____or____ [email protected] -or- [email protected]
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Date: 15 AUG 86 14:43-N
From: WWDONIC%[email protected]
Subject: new subscriber from Europe
Hello! As a new subscriber, I would like to introduce myself to
you. My interest in horses is for the most part professional.
I do have quite a bit of riding experience, but I am not what
you would call a typical "horse-freak". Riding is however on
my hobbies, so I can understand what you are talking about.
At the moment I work at the department of Veterinary Anatomy on
a research project, trying to develop a computer model to describe
the movements of the horse mathematically. The idea is to construct
a "computer horse" out of simplified bones, joints and muscles.
If the model is sophisticated enough to simulate equine locomotion
successfully, all kinds of nasty experiments that you wouldn't
want to do on real horses (e.g. removing muscles to determine
which ones are important) can be done.
The simulations are performed by the program DADS (Dynamic Analysis
and Design System) developed at the department of mechanical
engineering of the University of Iowa. The program has been
modified by me to allow modelling of muscles.
Only recently did I discover the possibilities of electronic mail
(Europe is always a few years behind, you know), and I expect to
contact a few people who share an interest in horses and computers.
Let's hear from you if anybody is interested. The simulation work
is going very nicely, and for those who have a color graphics terminal
(tek4107, VT600 or compatible) connected to a VAX/VMS system a demo
of animated graphics from a simulated movement is available.
Finally a few words about the equestrian scene in Europe. The
large jumping tournaments (world championship, world cup) have
during the last years been dominated by the US and Canada
(and often using European horses). People here are really
worrying about that and trying to understand the causes.
In Holland, it is often thought that we should not sell our
best horses to America. My opinion is that the riders should
learn to ride better instead of blaming the horses (I like
the american style of jumping better, it all seems so easy).
Does any of you have an idea why the North-Americans are so
much better ? Next sunday I will visit a large international
jumping/dressage tournament at Rotterdam. I expect to tell
you about my experiences there.
Goodbye,
Ton van den Bogert ( [email protected] )
Department of Veterinary Anatomy,
University of Utrecht,
Utrecht, Netherlands.
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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 86 9:53:41 EDT
From: Ken Rossen <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: new subscriber from Europe
I can't anticipate the rest of your reactions, but I was pretty excited
to read in the preceding message about the work Ton is doing. I was
so interested I sent a message to him right away and asked for his
demonstration picture, certain I could scrape up the appropriate resources
to view it somewhere around here.
I haven't been able to coordinate everything and bring the picture up on
a screen yet, but I have the source and a coded image for the demo. If
anyone else thinks they can locate the necessary resources and would like
a copy of the demo, they should contact me. I would be happy to redistribute
what Ton sent me in order to spare the transatlantic Bitnet link additional
traffic. Just drop a line to horse-request if you're interested.
--
Ken Rossen ...!{ihnp4,harvard,seismo}!ccv.bbn.com!krossen
____or____ [email protected] -or- [email protected]
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Return-Path: <mcvax!olamb!zepp>
From: [email protected]
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 86 13:30:09 -0100
Subject: Greetings from Denmark
I received your mail and the sample digest a little over a week ago.
I'm sorry that I couldn't find time to answer a little earlier.
Yes, you are absolutely correct, I'm sitting on a machine in Copenhagen
Denmark. Not bad to be a Dane for the time beeing, since we won the world
championship in dressage last week-end. We have seen Anne-Grethe Jensen
and Marzog in a lot of shows, but we never saw her ride so precisely and
in perfect balance with the horse. What a great luck that the video is
invented.
I'm preparing my first article on the Equestrian digest, not to long I
promise, but I don't think I can finish it before next week.
I have a timid hope that my english is understandable to you fellows over
there on the other side of the small lake.
Zepp. (John Brun, Denmark)
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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 86 12:45 EDT
From: <PUY%[email protected]>
Subject: the bit controversy
Seeing as the group's article traffic has slown up a bit, I
thought that it would be good to stir up a little lively discussion
about the uses/abuses of snaffle bits. To be fair, I'll begin by stating
my prejudices and how they formed. My second horse was a notorious
runaway, so i started out riding him outside the ring using draw reins
on a snaffle. After some experimenting, I discovered that he went well
on a "walking horse bit"; I rode stock seat at the time and "open
reined". Eventually, after a couple of years of working with him every
day, I could ride him in a group of horses on the trail with a halter
and lead rope. I noticed that the hunter/jumper types used snaffles
exclusively, and I saw a lot of gaping mouths, head pulling
and runaway horses.
Now I'm on horse number three. Knowing that my arab will bolt, i've
been working him with a pelham and a bit converter.
Most of the time he is accepting the bit, on a good day he gets on the
bit for short periods. I want to begin some dressage work, and
i know that for the lower level work the snaffle is the bit which is
supposed to be used. (I've been reading the dressage books by Padhojsky,
and "mary twelveponies everyday training book".) Does the effectiveness
of a snaffle depend on the noseband (flash vs dropped, etc)? The "english"
riders in NJ usually used a hunting snaffle bridle, with the plain noseband
way up high on the face. Anytime i ever rode a horse with a snaffle, I
felt like my arms were going to be pulled off.
To add to my fundamental conerns about snaffles, I noticed that there are
spiked nosebands and twisted wire snaffles. These can't be any better
than spade bits or wire tie-downs around the nose.
Another case is my friend's 28-going-on-8 yr old saddlebred, who
is impossible (read dangerous) to ride with a snaffle, but he becomes
responsive under a pelham ( 2 1/2" shanks), and like my arab, he goes
forward well with no gaping mouth or head tossing.
Anyway, I guess I've yet to be convinced of the merits of snaffles,
and I'm continuing to use my pelham until I can figure out a way
get my charge to go SAFELY on a snaffle (I've yet to have a horse
run off with me on a curb bit). Besides, our snaffle collection
hanging up with the bridles is really decorative....
Happy Trails, =====
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Dept. of Agronomy PUY @ PSUVM (bitnet)
312 Tyson Bldg. ...!psuvax1!psuvm.bitnet!puy (uucp <-->
Penn State University bitnet gateway)
UNIVERSITY PARK, PA 16802 PUY%[email protected] (ARPA)
(814) 863-0129
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 86 9:47:16 EDT
From: Ken Rossen <[email protected]>
Subject: Article on Combined Training
Julie Moore gave me a copy of a very interesting article from the USCTA
(United States Combined Training Association) News, forwarded to her
by a friend of hers. It is written by the Eileen Thomas, Executive Director
of the USCTA, and it examines and addresses the growing concern over the
humane treatment of horses in eventing.
Although there are some rather startling observations in the article, it
is both remarkable and encouraging to see such a highly placed supporter
of CT discuss the issue so bluntly.
I am willing to send copies of this article to anybody who asks. Send
me electronic mail to me if you want one. You will be especially
interested if you are involved in eventing.
--
Ken Rossen ...!{ihnp4,harvard,seismo}!ccv.bbn.com!krossen
____or____ [email protected] -or- [email protected]
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From: foundln!robin%[email protected]
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 86 02:31:12 edt
Subject: Buying horses in Minnesota
(Ken, this is our reintroductory contribution to the Digest. Robin)
Time to reintroduce ourselves and bring our old friends up to date.
John Hasler and Robin Crickman live in a Victorian house near downtown
Minneapolis. We took up riding as a serious activity after trying pony
trekking while on a vacation in May of 1985 in Britian. On returned
home, we started riding regularly at a local stable. Last Christmas
we began taking riding lessons, but found we needed to ride more often
than once a week. We advertised for part-time horse leases (and asked
on net.rec if anyone knew about same, which is how we "met" the
perpetrators of the equestrian.digest) and met a women who wanted her
aged mares exercised. This was satisfactory until one mare went lame
and the other was sent to the country to bear her foal.
We sought another horse to lease, but had little luck. We did,
however, find a very nice boarding farm which charged a very modest
$65 per month for pasture care. They have 200 acres, several
pastures, grow their own corn and hay, and have both outdoor and
indoor riding areas. They also have a barn with box stalls which is
mostly empty (they only pasture board) but is available when a horse
needs special medical care. We already knew from Kathy (the aged
mares' owner) that the local horse market is severely depressed. We
had gone to auctions where ponies were going for $25, foals for $35
and thoroughbred mares for $500. We decided that given the economics
of the current horse market and the fact that the boarding farm would
give any horses we might buy a decent home, we ought to consider
buying.
So, with six months of lessons and about a year of riding
experience behind us, plus a promise of help from our knowledgeable
friend and a place to house our purchases, we went in search of
horses. We decided we would not buy horses at auction. We set a limit
of about $500 for purchase. We wanted fully mature horses who were
well-trained. Breed, color, sex (except stallion) and size were of
little importance. We read the local newspaper, visited dealers,
checked bulletin boards in tack shops and stables, told our horsey
friends, and read the Stable Sheet (a midwestern magazine advertising
horses for sale) every month. We got very good at interviewing horse
sellers over the telephone. We even developed a database of
information about prospects (well, what do you expect of people on the
net?).
We set up a notebook of information about prospects and took it with
us whenever we went to horse events (actually, whenever we went out).
We were at a combined event show watching the jumping one afternoon.
It ended around 3 PM and we found ourselves in the northwestern
suburbs of Minneapolis. We checked our book to see if any of our
horse prospects were in that area. There was a lackluster description
from the newspaper of a 12 year old Appalousa gelding, 15h3 nearby.
We called and got permission to see him. Remember, we had just spent
the afternoon watching some very beautiful (and expensive) eventing
horses do their thing. To our surprise, we were impressed by this
horse. He was flabby, but big and strong. His manners were quiet, his
movements quite fluid. While he had been used as a western trail
horse, he had been ridden on a snaffle. It turned out that he was
actually only 11 years old and fully 15h3 or maybe 16h. This was the
first time we had met an owner who did not represent his horse as
either bigger than actual fact or younger or both.
We returned for a second look equipped with a camera and took pictures
because Kathy was home with flu. John discussed price and got a
reduction if the horse was sold without saddle. Further, the owner
promised to deliver the horse to his new home at no extra charge. The
name of the vet and farrier were obtained and both were consulted
about the horse. John bought him for $650 and we spent the following
Sunday at the boarding farm with John's new horse. We discovered that
he has a neigh that can shake the house down, trailers beautifully,
and has very good ground manners.
We watched carefully the first day to be sure that Toncho was drinking
the water because we had heard several stories of horses who came to
grief after being moved because they didn't get enough water. He was
placed in a box stall the first day. The second day he went into the
riding ring. It had short grass growing in it. He was provided with
company in the form of the farm owner's miniature stallion. It was an
amusing sight, the large App gelding and the mini stallion, but they
became good friends. He was shown the herd that evening (all 40 or so
of them) and got out on grass for just a couple of hours the third
day. He worked his way up gradually until he stayed out with the herd
all the time. This was necessary because Toncho had previously been
living on about 2 acres with two other geldings eating only a bit of
grass and a daily hay ration. He has made a very good transition in
the month he has been at his new home. His only problem is a kick
injury to his leg which caused some swelling and lameness. He now
hangs out with a couple of mares who defend him from the herd bullies.
Finding a horse suitable for Robin was more of a problem. John is a
better rider and while Toncho is well-mannered, I wouldn't try to
handle him. I looked at several horses, but they were either too
spirited, too poorly trained, too young, unsound or too expensive. I
saw an ad in the newspaper for a quarterhorse and went to see him.
The woman was moving to another state. He wasn't for me but the
woman's husband had a grade horse which I liked. The man wanted about
twice as much as I considered reasonable. I asked Kathy about the
horse and she told me he was a good animal, probably the result of a
grade mare and a racing quarterhorse stallion. He looks somewhat
thoroughbred and somewhat quarterhorse. He was a little big at 15h2
(I'm only 5 ft tall), but he didn't act as flighty as some of the
horses I had looked at. I called back to talk further and was told
that an offer had been made for this horse. That deal fell through,
and I was back in the running. I asked to talk to the farrier who
worked on the horse because he has a serious sand crack on his off
forefoot (a quarter crack). The farrier assured me the crack was
trivial. I offered $400 that afternoon, about half what the seller
had asked for the horse. It was accepted the next morning.
My horse was at a boarding stable just 5 miles from the place where
John and I had decided to keep our horses. I spent the next day
working "Imp", giving him his worming paste, walking him and generally
getting to know him. He had more tricks than I suspected, but still
seemed like a nice animal. I intended to ride him the five miles from his
current stable to Tara Farm. I had checked that he went well on roads
and had found a set of quiet roads to use as a route. I mentioned my
intention to Carolyn, the owner of Tara Farm and she offered to come
with her trailer and get him. So, I put him in the paddock next to the barn
and went to meet Carolyn.
When I came back with Carolyn, I found my horse in his stall. I
thought that was strange, but figured the staff didn't want him in the
paddock for some reason. Then another boarder told me he had jumped
the paddock fence twice during the 20 minutes he had been left there.
That fence was 4 to 4.5 foot high. Moreover, the grooms mentioned
that he had jumped the fence before. He didn't run anywhere, just
jumped out to get to greener grass. Well, I guess I bought a jumper.
I always wanted a jumper. Then we tried to get him into the trailer.
No way. He reared, he kicked, he fought it all the way. I didn't
want him to get hurt, so I rode him home. He arrived at his new home
nicely tired, glad to get into a box stall, glad for a bucket of
water, glad for a rest. He hasn't jumped any fences except the ones
I've asked him to go over since getting to his new home. Of course,
he is usually on the same side as the grass, so there isn't any
incentive. Bad trailer manners are a problem, but I am hoping that I
can cure him with time and training. Suggestions are welcome on how
to do it. Just now I am working on teaching longing. My "Imp"
(Impressive Earthtone) is an 8 year old baby who never learned to
longe. He's getting the idea, but its slow. He is a bit clumsy and
doesn't want to trot around in small circles.
I guess we have done reasonably well. Both horses are good animals
with only minimal problems. I think that I would ask for a
demonstration of trailer manners before buying another horse, and
probably ask the seller to longe the horse for me (not to see gaits,
but to see that the horse does longe). We did get both our horses for
$1050, only a bit more than the $1000 we intended to spend. While
horse markets surely vary among metropolitan areas, I think that
careful shopping can find a good bargain anywhere. (I didn't even
tell you how Kathy ended up buying a TB and a Trak broodmare for about
what John and I paid for our riding horses.) If you can find a good
horse owned by someone who is strongly motivated to sell it and you
are willing to bargain for it (with the possibility that you won't get
that particular horse), you can find a good buy. Anybody want to add
other stories about buying their first horse?
Robin Crickman
...caip!meccts!foundln!robin
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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 86 11:34:07 EDT
From: Ken Rossen <[email protected]>
Subject: Fixing Loading Problems
Regarding the problems that Robin is encountering loading Imp:
I got some expert advice on the subject a while ago -- a friend of ours,
Chip Fisher, is the fellow behind Blue Chip Horse Transporation here in
Massachusetts. A specialty of theirs is shipping the hard-to-ship horse.
In periods of scant shipping business, they have been known to give
loading lessons to people having trouble getting their horses on the
trailer. So I believe I was hearing the voice of experience when I talked
to Chip about what to do when a horse doesn't load. The following is my
(perhaps inadequate) regurgitation of what he told me.
One thing Chip has been known to say is that the horse that doesn't load
doesn't lead, and vice versa. In solving any loading problem, you must
nail down the underlying problem of getting the horse to move forward when
you ask him to.
Horses that don't lead/load tend to fall into two general categories:
one is the "foot planter," the horse that just stops dead and refuses
to move forward. The general procedure in solving this horse's problem
entails two people. One holds the lead and coaxes the horse forward,
the good guy. Nothing but positive encouragement must ever come from this
person. No jerking on the chain of the shank or anything like that, for
this would prompt the horse to jump back. The person in the front coaxes
the horse forward, praises when the horse moves. If the horse stops, he
should be met by immediate nagging from the "bad guy," the person behind the
horse who reprimands for refusal to move. This person begins with clucking
and little slaps on the horse's behind. This checking stops immediately
whenever the horse moves forward again. Basically, every time the horse
moves forward, he gets praise from the person in front, and every time
he stops, he gets booted just enough from behind. The horse learns that
moving forward is good, while stopping meets with nagging pressure to move
forward. Depending on how obstinate and/or insensitive the horse is, the
"bad guy" can progress (VERY carefully and gradually) to nagging with a
broom, or next to the flat end of a shovel. You want to make sure you're
nagging enough to motivate, but not enough to frighten.
Imp's problems seem to fall into the other category, horses that don't
move forward because something is making them nervous. In a way, this
type of problem is harder to correct, because what you have to do is
get to the root of the fear, but it can be done. Is the horse frightened
of a partition that might swing into him? Of a ramp that he thinks is
going to slam up on his butt? Of a hay net that he thinks is going to
bash him in the face? Your horse may have in the past had some frightful
experience in a trailer, maybe he flipped over or something.
Anyway, do your best to pinpoint the source of the fear. If it's something
like fear of the small size of the trailer, perhaps moving the partition
over will make it look bigger and make the horse feel better. Alleviate
whatever scary objects you can, then slowly help the horse overcome the
fear. As with the foot planter, someone in the front should coax the horse
forward, but there shouldn't be a "bad guy" in back -- unlike the foot
planter, the frightened horse can't be herded. You simply have to reward
this horse for every movement forward, praise and a pocketful of sugar
lumps are the important equipment. Keep rewarding and comforting the
horse, and don't punish. It requires a huge mound of patience, but it
must be done if you ever want to haul the horse.
Good luck in solving the loading problems. As with other behaviour
problems in horses, we're hampered by not being able to communicate with
them. As Karen has suggested, what if some horses get motion sick? We
can take Dramamine, or decline to travel, but what of the horse? What if
you got sick whenever you got into a car, but were forced to get in anyway?
Be persistent, and be patient.
--
Ken Rossen ...!{ihnp4,harvard,seismo}!ccv.bbn.com!krossen
____or____ [email protected] -or- [email protected]
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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 86 13:06 PDT
From: Leslie Kaelbling <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Equestrian Digest
Ken,
I got your messages and the sample digests. It looks like this list
will be a lot of fun. I'm generally a reader, not a contributor, but I
do have one question for the list:
I've just begun to compete at training level dressage (I used to ride
western pleasure, trail, etc.), and I'd like to get some relevant
reading material. I'd appreciate any book or magazine recommendations
people have. I would especially like a book that has all of the AHSA
(and even FEI) tests in it.
Thanks,
Leslie Kaelbling
Kaelbling@sri-ai
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| 77.8 | Equestrian Digest Issue #37 | RADON::BELANGER | Boycott Boycotts! | Wed Dec 10 1986 23:33 | 378 |
| Equestrian Digest Mon 1 Sep 1986 Issue 37
Today's Topics:
Address Changes and Simulation Demo
The First Horse
Fire in Norfolk
The fire, and dumb horse stories.
intro
beastiality and horses
Aroused Horses
Re: God invented Sexuality and Sex with animals
Re: The Bit Controversy
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Date: Mon, 1 Sep 86 18:25:23 EDT
From: [email protected] (Equestrian Digest Coordinator)
Subject: Address Changes and Simulation Demo
Reply-To: [email protected] (Ken Rossen)
Two people have new addresses:
Mike Stalnaker <[email protected]>,
Pat Wilson <paw3c%[email protected]>
-or- <cbosgd!uvacs!krebs!paw3c>.
If anybody has access to a Tek 4107 or DEC VT640 terminal attached to
a VMS system and would like to view the demonstration picture
Ton van den Bogert mentioned in decribing his veterinary research in
the previous issue, please contact me and I will send you a hex coded
image and a program to bring it up.
--
Ken Rossen ...!{ihnp4,harvard,seismo}!ccv.bbn.com!horse-request
____or____ [email protected] -or- [email protected]
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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 86 03:41:12 EDT
From: [email protected]
Subject: The First Horse
Ron Morgan writes:
> Regarding the "first horse":
> One variable here is the competence of the rider. A horse, as you
> know, tends to "come down" to the skill level of the rider. A champion
> show horse will per- form like a kludge when ridden by a kludgy rider,
> so if this is the case, it not a good idea to get a "top horse" for a
> first-timer. On the other hand, if the rider has some experience and
> skill, a better horse is called for. Better yet, get him or her an
> *untrained* horse, say, a halter-broke yearling, and let the rider
> train it.
Sorry, but I disagree. No person looking for his/her *first* horse has
enough skill to train a horse. Conversely, if the rider has enough skill to
train a horse, that person will not be looking for his/her *first* horse.
The best bet for a *first* horse is an aged gelding. A horse over ten years
old is the perfect creature to learn on because he knows enough that you
can learn from him and is generally calm enough that breed doesn't matter.
Carl Deitrick
ihnp4!ihu1n!cbd
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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 86 13:26:03 EDT
From: Ken Rossen <[email protected]>
Subject: Fire in Norfolk
Mike refers in the article below to a fire I mentioned in private
correspondence. It was a barn fire this past Sunday night that killed
thirteen young thoroughbreds. For those not in the Boston area, this is
what happened:
One of the four barns at Hall's Stable in Norfolk, Massachusetts caught
fire Sunday night while its 82-year-old owner was out at dinner. He
returned to find the two-story building ablaze with 35 horses inside.
The 22 horse on the lower level were led away, but the 13 on the upper
level couldn't be moved.
"They go a little beserk and refuse to move out of their stalls," said the
owner. "The were all throroughbreds. Most were young horses about two
years old."
There had been suspicion that two youths had set the fire, but it now
appears to have been accidental.
--
Ken Rossen ...!{ihnp4,harvard,seismo}!ccv.bbn.com!krossen
____or____ [email protected] -or- [email protected]
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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 86 13:08:23 edt
From: Mike Stalnaker <[email protected]>
Subject: The fire, and dumb horse stories.
Sorry to hear about the fire. Any idea what caused it? Also, you asked
for an elborated version of the note I sent you, so here goes:
For my 12th birthday, my grandfather bought me a great beast of
a horse who we named Thunder. He was a yearling when we got him, and being
half Morgan and half Belgian, stood about 16h2. (At the time, we were using
him mostly for a work horse on my grandfather's farm, but he was also my
riding horse). Anyway, this animal wound up being one of the smartest I've
ever seen, and was very gentle with people. Because Thunder would shift his
weight under you to help with balance, it was almost impossible to fall off
of him, and the few times somebody did, he would stop dead, and wait for you
to climb back on. Then there was his half brother....
....Lightning was foaled from the same mare, (the Morgan) but had a saddlebred
for a sire. This horse was almost unrideable. My grandfather, who was a
blacksmith and had trained over 100 horses of his own in the course of 50 or
so years, said that lightning was the most difficult animal to work with he
had ever owned. I was staying at my grandparents for the summer, and had the
job of tending the horses every morning. This particular morning, I walk into
the barn, and there's Thunder, in his stall, just waiting for me. But Lightning
is no where to be found. His stall has been kicked open, but there's no way
he could get out of the barn. Well, I figured I go up into the hayloft and
get what I needed for the morning, and then figure out where he was. Up the
steps I go, and find myself staring at Lightning, who is standing in the middle
of the hayloft, munching away on whatever he could grab. Now this wouldn't be
so bad except for the fact that while he had 'up the steps' figured out real
well, down was another matter. I spent the rest of the day trying to rig a
block and tackle to the outside of the barn (thank god for the hoist pole!),
and make sure it would hold his weight. The next morning, we finally got a
sling around him, and lowered him down. This was made even more interesting
by the fact that he did NOT like having all four legs hanging in mid-air. My
Grandfather sold him the next week.
Mike Stalnaker
[email protected]
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Full-Name: Carlyn Lowery
Organization: The MITRE Corp., Washington, D.C.
Subject: intro
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 86 17:09:21 -0500
From: Carlyn Lowery <[email protected]>
Greetings from a new reader! I'm Carlyn Lowery, graduated from
the University of Pennsylvania a year ago and am now in the Navy.
I am currently riding English H/J at the Junior Equitation School
(JES) in Vienna, Virginia -- and have a bit less experience than
the majority of you all! I took lessons for a couple years while
I was in school, and have been riding at JES for a year. I love
to ride and have ambitions of one day owning a nice piece of land
with a horse or two, but that will be a number of years off.
Having never ridden for more than 3 hours at a time, I am looking
to go on a riding vacation this fall. Has anyone had any
experience with facilities on the East Coast? How about those
exotic, romantic-sounding trips in Europe? I have brochures from
the Mountain Trail Horse Center in Wellsboro, PA, and Firefly
Ranch in Bristol Vermont. As far as the exotic European trips, I
have info from Fits Equestrian and Claremont Riding Holidays.
I look forward to reading the Equestrian Digest and hope you all
have some ideas on vacations. Let me know what you think!
You can reply to me directly at "lowery at mitre.arpa".
Thanks.
Carlyn
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From: [email protected] (e.m.eades)
Newsgroups: net.singles,net.pets,net.rec.nude
Subject: beastiality and horses
Date: 25 Aug 86 23:31:00 GMT
Organization: AT&T Information Systems Labs, Holmdel NJ
Awhile ago there was some discussion about horse and bestiality
and how was it possible for a person to arrouse a horse. Recently
I have noticed that beastiality is again under discussion in net.singles.
So I decided to post this reply I received to an earlier discussion.
I don't know if the people on net.rec.nude are interested or not
but since they were part of the original discussion I've included
them. I've also added net.pets. Sorry if someone gets this who
doesn't want it.
When I was younger and posed the question of how a woman had sex
with a horse, the answer given to me was that horses had a bone there.
Several people sent me mail telling me that that was incorrect.
Below is the best explaination I received.
-Beth Eades
PS. Thanks Sam for doing the research.
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From xanth!uvacs!stg Sat Aug 23 02:05:30 1986 remote from icase
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 86 16:24:06 edt
From: icase!xanth!uvacs!stg (Samuel T. Gregory)
Subject: Aroused Horses
Dear E. Eades,
Hi. This is in response to your posting in net.rec.nude and net.singles
about bones of aroused horses in response to two other postings about
beastiality, rape, and the recent Supreme Court decision on Sodomy. You posted
Aug 1 and we, out on the edges of the galaxy, received Aug 9. Look at that
path: uvacs!ncsu!mcnc!decvax!bellcore!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxt!houxm!mtuxo!mtgzz!eme
I just now got around to a library to re-check my facts.
Once, I also wondered about the sexual anatomy of animals, but was too
embarrased to ask. So I decided to look it up. Practically any "comparative
anatomy" or "anatomy of the domesticated animals" book in the library will do,
but the good (to a teenager) explain-it-all-without-having-to-read pictures
were in a textbook for a course on animal husbandry my brother was taking in
college at the time (he majored in "animal science", sort of a pre-vet).
Dogs have the extra bone embedded in the spongy tissue of the penis, and
cats have a vestigial form of it. Raccoons have cartilage rather than spongy
erectile tissue for a penis. This gradually turns to bone as the animal ages,
just as the human breastbone does.
In most farm animals (bull, boar, ram, he-goat), the spongy erectile
tissue is semi-rigid at all times, but does fill out with blood and extend
during erection. There is no lengthening. The penis stays inside the body
most of the time due to a muscle that retracts it into an s-shaped curve.
Now for horses. Of the domesticated animals, the horse most resembles
humans reproductively. The penis is entirely erectile tissue, is exposed
when not erect, and does lengthen during erection. The horse is the only
domesticated animal whose penis fills the vagina, and the only one requiring
back-and-forth friction to trigger ejaculation.
The others basically require surrounding pressure. The humping motions
you might see are merely stabbing attempts to place the tip into the cervix
in bull, boar, ram, and he-goat, and serves to irritate and swell the glans
and vaginal sphincter in dogs (sperm transfer occurs during the time the dogs
are "stuck").
The animal husbandry book, unlike the anatomy books, goes into
techniques for collecting semen for artificial insemination. These have
probably been adopted or modified by persons practicing beastiality. Arousing
the other animals seems largely to involve fooling them through scents or
conditioning and such. Arousing a horse is probably simpler than the others
since the penis is already exposed and ejaculation is based on friction. Sperm
is gathered by basically masturbating the horse. The major problem I would
foresee for someone trying to practice beastiality would be controlling the
stallion's limbs, since animals tend to behave violently when aroused.
Hope that's enough volume and gory detail to disuade you from trying it
:-) as it *is* illegal most everywhere (beastiality, not preparations for
artificial insemination).
Seriously, we don't have news archived, so I can't send this to the
other people in this branch of the discussion. Forward or post as you see fit.
--Sam
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From: [email protected] (Rob Bernardo)
Newsgroups: net.religion.christian,net.singles
Subject: Re: God invented Sexuality and Sex with animals
Date: 20 Aug 86 14:27:31 GMT
Reply-To: [email protected] (Rob Bernardo)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco
Keywords: if it feels good, do it.....
In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Kee Hinckley) writes:
>In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Peter Osgood)
writes:
>> ... Animals copulate
>> instinctively, I have seen no evidence that they "enjoy" the act.
>I have.
>> But we humans have many and assorted erogeous zones on our bodies.
>So do animals.
I remember the first time I saw a mare being bred. The stud was almost
impossible to control. He mounted the mare and nibbled on her whithers.
The foreplay was amazingly "human" and actually lasted much longer than
the coitus. If it weren't for the assitance of humans, the stud would
have "missed" and sodomized the mare! He ejaculated prematurely (before he
was in far enough to impregnate the mare) anyway.
And speaking about sex with animals, I don't think you would be able to
have sex with a mare against her will unless you tied her down: One day
at the stables where I used to board my mare, I was taking her into
the arena to turn her out for exercise. I had thought the arena was empty
and turned her loose once inside. I had not seen the big white Arab stud
that blended so well with the fence in the far corner of the arena. Within
a couple of seconds he was down at our end of the arena raping my poor
virginal Oriana. She **violently** resisted, not being in season, and was
kicking and biting and *desperately* trying to flee. The stud was not
phased by this at all and persisted. It took two expert horsemen to separate
the two. Luckily, the only injuries were two little scrapes sustained by
the stud. My mare was traumatized by the rape attempt and shied away from
a newly gelded horse that was kept alongside the arena for about two weeks
after the incident.
The point of the story is that a horse (and probably other animals too)
will let you know if it doesn't want to have sex. It doesn't have to
give consent via human language.
--
Rob Bernardo, San Ramon, CA (415) 823-2417 {ihnp4|dual|qantel}!ptsfa!rob
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Date: Mon, 1 Sep 86 00:04:52 PDT
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: The Bit Controversy
> Seeing as the group's article traffic has slown up a bit, I
>thought that it would be good to stir up a little lively discussion
>about the uses/abuses of snaffle bits.
I've never heard that before. I always thought that a snaffle bit was as
mild a bit as you could use in a horse and that bits like kimberwickes,
pelhams, curbs, and (God have mercy!) spades were the ones used to abuse a
horse. All the dressage and event people I've seen start a young horse in a
snaffle and keep it on a snaffle as much as possible. The horses seem happy
with it.
>... My second horse was a notorious
>runaway, so i started out riding him outside the ring using draw reins
>on a snaffle. After some experimenting, I discovered that he went well
I bought my current horse when he was just green broke and rather .. uh,
well ...exuberant. I always rode him on an egg-butt snaffle (still do;
it's all I use) and when I took him out in the fields for a hack, like as
not I'd have one episode of a flat out running buck. It wasn't mean, he was
just feeling good, but still I couldn't have it. I stopped the habit by
using a hard pulley rein on him several times. Keep contact with his mouth
(i.e. no slack rein), plant one hand *firmly* on the front of the saddle or
your thigh, and with the other hand jerk the rein downward hard and fast. I
mean *hard* and *fast*. Be braced and ready for a fast stop, cause he's
gonna. I had to do it three times. He hasn't bolted with me since.
>...I noticed that the hunter/jumper types used snaffles
>exclusively, and I saw a lot of gaping mouths, head pulling
>and runaway horses.
> Now I'm on horse number three. ... I want to begin some dressage work, and
>i know that for the lower level work the snaffle is the bit which is
>supposed to be used. ... Does the effectiveness
>of a snaffle depend on the noseband (flash vs dropped, etc)? The "english"
>riders in NJ usually used a hunting snaffle bridle, with the plain noseband
>way up high on the face. Anytime i ever rode a horse with a snaffle, I
>felt like my arms were going to be pulled off.
The effectiveness of a snaffle bit depends on the skill and patience of the
person who trained the horse. If the horse was started properly when young,
he'll pay attention to the balance and weight of the rider. The bit is in
his mouth just to tell him which way to point his head. The gaping mouths
and head pulling you saw are sure signs that the horse is not relaxed
through his back (if he's relaxed through his back, he'll be relaxed
through his neck and jaw). Relaxing the horse's back is the basis of
dressage. If the horse is relaxed and balanced, he won't pull like a
freight train.
> Anyway, I guess I've yet to be convinced of the merits of snaffles,
>and I'm continuing to use my pelham until I can figure out a way
>get my charge to go SAFELY on a snaffle (I've yet to have a horse
>run off with me on a curb bit). Besides, our snaffle collection
>hanging up with the bridles is really decorative....
Find your self a good dressage instructor and explain the problem. I
suspect (this is informed speculation on my part) that (s)he will longe the
horse on side reins until the world looks flat and help you find your
balance on a horse. The longeing on side reins will let the horse find it's
own balance and let it learn that life is comfortable when it moves forward
in balance. If you can find your balance on the horse, you can let the
horse move as it moves when longeing, and thus control the critter.
I do all my riding using an egg-butt snaffle with a flash nose band. I even
gallop the horse that way. I have no problem with control, but my horse is
becoming fairly mellow. Many eventers need to use a harsher bit for cross
country and stadium. That's okay, but the fundamentals need to be done with
a snaffle.
Carl Deitrick
ihnp4!ihu1n!cbd
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| 77.9 | Equestrian Digest Issue #38 | RADON::BELANGER | Boycott Boycotts! | Wed Dec 10 1986 23:34 | 306 |
| Equestrian Digest Wed 10 Sep 1986 Issue 38
Today's Topics:
Address Changes
Contribution to Digest
Article by Vicki Hearne
Horse Vacations
Snaffles and stuff
Help needed in buying a saddle
Hello Again
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Date: Tue, 9 Sep 86 14:54:58 EDT
From: [email protected] (Equestrian Digest Coordinator)
Subject: Address Changes
Reply-To: [email protected] (Ken Rossen)
Kristine Topliff <[email protected]> has left BBN and therefore the
mailing list. Brent Chapman has a new address at Berkeley:
Brent Chapman <chapman%[email protected]> -or- <ucbvax!bugs!chapman>.
--
Ken Rossen ...!{ihnp4,harvard,seismo}!ccv.bbn.com!horse-request
____or____ [email protected] -or- [email protected]
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Date: Tue, 2 Sep 86 10:42:12 pdt
From: Herbert Kanner <kanner%[email protected]>
Subject: Contribution to Digest
This is a replay of the lost document I sent you a month or so ago. I am
moved to write an autobiography of my horse adventures. Since I have
been riding the beasts for over twenty years, there are quite a few war
stories, and stubborn opinions (the less I know about the subject, the
more stubborn the opinions are likely to be). To keep from trying to
monopolize the Digest, I think I will write a chapter at a time, at totally
irregular intervals, so that my contributions are not longer than others
that I have seen recently.
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Chapt. 1--I Discover the Horse
It is the summer of 1962. I have never had any contact with, or
interest in horses. In fact, from casual reading, I am convinced that they
must class among the stupidest of animal species and be invariably and
continuously prone to hysteria. Two colleagues and I, based in Chicago, get
to spend a week in Denver at an ACM meeting. The first weekend prior to
the meeting is spent in the very non-equestrian pursuit of trying to wreck
a rented car by driving it in the mountains over jeep and burro trails in a
thunderstorm. The second weekend, we are in Rocky Mountain National
Park and my introduction to horses occurs.
Paul, the youngest of the three of us, claims to have done a wee bit
of riding the previous summer in Sun Valley. He tells us that we must do
this wonderful thing in the Park--go on a one-hour trail ride. I am very
dubious about this proposition, but what the hell...
So I climb into this very strange kind of chair that they tell me
is a western saddle. While we are waiting to get started, the chair tilts
this way and that as its propietor shifts its weight from one leg to
another. It all feels most unstable, and shortly after we start out on one
of those typical nose-to-asshole rides, I come to the brilliant conclusion
that this would not be too bad if the saddle were gyro stabilized and
equipped with a seat belt.
Well, I survived the ride very well, and began to consider this new
concept with an open mind. After all, I love to see mountain scenery, but
having the Robert Maynard Hutchins philosophy about exercise: "Whenever I
feel the urge to exercise, I lie down until it goes away," I am not very
likely to go hiking in the mountains. Furthermore, there is a terrific bonus
to seeing the scenery from the back of a horse: you are a few extra feet up
in the air and can see over the shrubbery.
The upshot of all of this was that the very next day we went looking
for another stable which would permit an increase in the scope of our
activity. We actually found one, just outside of the Park, which would let
us go off into the Park on our own. It was in an area called, I think, Ouzel
Falls. The guy who rented the horses looked us over very dubiously and
asked if any of us had any riding experience. I answered that Charlie and I
had been on a horse for the first time in our lives the day before, but that
Paul claimed to have done some riding the previous summer. Well, Paul
looked by far to be the youngest of the three of us, and I looked the oldest,
maybe. The guy brought out a form, scribbled on it a bit, and handed it to
me, saying: "Sign here." To my amazement, I saw that I had been
handed a document which was a license to guide a saddle-horse party in
the Rocky Mountain National Park, and stated that I had been examined and
found competent to so do!
Off we went into the wild green younder. The trail we were sent on
had numerous creek crossings, and by about the third opportunity to ford a
creek, the horses decided that they had had enough of us clowns, made
miniscule bucking motions, and more or less intimidated us into turning
back. We did enjoy kicking them into a gentle lope on the way back--I
remember we thought it was a helluva gallop.
I got back to Chicago, told my wife about the wonderful new method
of transportation I had discovered, and (naive, naive!) suggested that we
take two or three lessons so as to learn how to do it properly. We found a
livery stable cum riding school bordering the Argonne Forest on the far
southwest outskirts of Chicago. It was appropriately named "High Hopes."
The riding environment in those Chicago forest preserves was at
that time so outstanding that there was even a plug for it in the
Encyclopedia Britannica. In the Argonne Forest were perhaps twenty-five
miles of bridle paths, and as many miles again of foot trails on which it
was legal to ride if you kept to a walk (and didn't mind getting scratched
up).
I can't believe the effect of our first riding lesson. The lady
told us that we should learn "English" as that was the only way to really
learn to keep ones balance on a horse, and that it would always be a
lead-pipe cinch to convert to western. She told us to hold our hands as if
we were playing the piano. Good grief! The next time I saw that hand
position was in Ireland, where we were being guided by a farmer's daughter.
In this lesson, we rode for at most one hour and never exceeded a walk. It
had been our intention to go downtown later for some shopping. As we were
driving home, we decided we were a bit tired, and would stop instead at a
shopping center on the way home. As the center hove into view, we opted to
go instead to the grocery store around the corner from home. As we
approached home, we dropped even the idea of the grocery store. As we
entered the house, we dropped all else and went to sleep for the rest of
the afternoon! Years later, when we covered thirty-five miles in a short
day of riding in England, and really wanted to take a half-hour break and
ride another ten, it was hard to believe that there was a time when one
hour of walking would do that to us.
(To be continued some day)
Herb Kanner
Apple Computer, Inc.
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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 86 00:55 EDT
From: GROSS%[email protected] (Rob Gross)
Subject: Article by Vicki Hearne
My apologies for submitting this if it has already appeared, but I
don't recall reading about it in this digest: The New Yorker issues
of August 18 and 25 contained a two-part article by Vicki Hearne about
"Language and Animals." The first part concerned horses, the second
cats, and both are fascinating reading (as I only just found out over
the Labor Day weekend). Her description of training one "problem"
horse, by means of appealing to the horse's sense of beauty, is
especially interesting.--Rob Gross
BITNET: GROSS@BCVAX3
ARPANET/CSNET: GROSS%[email protected]
UUCP: ...ihnp4!psuvax1!BCVAX3.BITNET!GROSS
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Date: Sat, 6 Sep 86 06:41:00 edt
From: [email protected]
Subject: Horse Vacations
Carlyn Lowery writes
>Having never ridden for more than 3 hours at a time, I am looking
>to go on a riding vacation this fall. Has anyone had any
>experience with facilities on the East Coast? How about those
>exotic, romantic-sounding trips in Europe? I have brochures from
>the Mountain Trail Horse Center in Wellsboro, PA, and Firefly
>Ranch in Bristol Vermont. As far as the exotic European trips, I
>have info from Fits Equestrian and Claremont Riding Holidays.
Carlyn,
I've taken several vacations that might be considered 'horse'
vacations. In 1984, I went to a working cattle ranch in Montana for a
week. I spent an average of five hours a day on horse back. Just three
weeks ago, I spent a week on a working ranch in Wyoming and spent probably
two hours a day on horse back.
When I was still thinking about going to those places, I wrote to
them to ask for their brochure. I also asked them to give me the name and
address of any one in the Chicago area (I live near Chicago) who had been
there recently. I called those people up, introduced myself, told them why
I was calling, and asked them how they liked the place. People love to be
asked their opinion, so no one ever refused to talk. I got a lot of useful
information about the places that you will never find in the brochure, like
a straight story on the quality of the horses and food and the attitude of
the operators.
I'd forget about the place if they wouldn't send me names and
addresses of people who had been there recently.
The other thing I did was call the place and ask all the questions
I could think of. This was to try to get a feel for how friendly, helpful,
and enthusiastic they are. What I was really trying to find out was "Would
I want to spend a week (or however long) with these people?"
Give one of those vacations a try. Use a little caution before you
go and you'll most likely have a good time. Let us know what you do and, if
you go, what the place was like. Good luck.
Carl Deitrick
ihnp4!ihu1n!cbd
P.S. I wrote an article about my week at the TX ranch in Montana for an
early issue of the Equestrian Digest. I no longer have that article or issue
laying around. The Rossens might. Ask them if you're interested.
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Date: Thu, 4 Sep 86 07:59:52 cdt
From: "Cathy Modica (cjs" <[email protected]>
Subject: Snaffles and stuff
Snaffle Bits
Love those snaffles ! Well at least the simple ones.
You can be just as nasty with a snaffle as any other
bit. When talking about HJs using snaffles, one must
remember that they can use single and double twisted
wires, not to mention the bicycle chain type. Those
can be very nasty bits esp. in the wrong hands. Also
the thickness of the bit has a lot to do with the harshness
of the bit, the thinner the harsher. I have always used
one of three bits on my horse, a D ring rubber snaffle,
a loose ring full cheek snaffle, and an eggbut snaffle.
Both the metal bits were the thickest I could find.
How well a horse goes on a snaffle probably has a lot
to do with how it was trained or retrained. Many people
I know who have retrained TBs from the track have taken
years to bring the horses down to a mild snaffle and are
happy with the results. This takes years and can not
be done to make a 30 day wonder. Also, it only takes
a little while to ruin a good mouth. REMEMBER never
never punish a horse through their mouth (although
the temptation is great esp. when both tempers flare).
The hardest thing to do is when having a bad day to
do the simplest thing the horse does well (wether or
not you like it) and quit on a good note. The simplest
thing may be just standing still or walkng calmly and
collected. (oops I'm rambling)
One other thing, some horses do have tender or sensitive
backs and the saddle and/or saddle pad may not fit right
causing the horse not to relax and thus accept the bit.
Sometimes putting a foam pad or insert between the saddle
pad and the cantle can do wonders. One that I have seen
work well on numerous horses was cut to run under the
tree and the rear of the seat and cantle area. This is a
homemade special that I've never seen in a tack shop, and
is inexpensive to do (lots cheaper than buying bits that
aren't going to do the trick).
Cathy Modica (ihnp4!riccb!cpm)
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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 86 21:02:25 EDT
From: Ania O'Brien <[email protected]>
Subject: Help needed in buying a saddle
I have been riding for about a year and a half and I am considering buying
a saddle of my own (particularly since I intend to ride three times a week
now). I ride English and I would like a combined training saddle if
such things exist (otherwise a jump saddle). Which brands should I be
looking at? My in-laws are going to England in the fall. Would
it be a good idea to ask them to get one there and ship it? Any
help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Ania O'Brien
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From: [email protected]
Return-Path: <lewey!greg>
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 86 18:57:51 pdt
Subject: Hello Again
Hi gang-
Thanks go out to everyone for making this a very useful and informative
digest.
Beginning this month, I am leasing my first horse. Thanks to the digest
(mostly Carl Deitrick) I have managed to put together a comprehensive
lease agreement. Thanks lots for all the good info!
I'll keep you all up to date as things happen with the new horse!
Bye for now-
Lisa
Lisa Frey, C/O Greg Blanck
hplabs!pyramid!voder!lewey!greg
American Information Technology,
Cupertino, CA
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| 77.10 | Equestrian Digest Issue #39 | RADON::BELANGER | Boycott Boycotts! | Wed Dec 10 1986 23:35 | 225 |
| Equestrian Digest Sat 20 Sep 1986 Issue 39
Today's Topics:
Subscribers
New lease
good news, etc.
Re: Help needed in buying a saddle
The Prince of Wales
More About Saddles
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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 86 14:25:32 EDT
From: [email protected] (Equestrian Digest Coordinator)
Subject: Subscribers
Reply-To: [email protected] (Ken Rossen)
One address has changed:
Pat Valdata <ihnp4!pyuxz!patv2>,
and one is new:
Seth Steinberg <[email protected]> -or <ihnp4!ccv.bbn.com!sas>.
--
Ken Rossen ...!{ihnp4,harvard,seismo}!ccv.bbn.com!horse-request
____or____ [email protected] -or- [email protected]
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Date: Tue, 9 Sep 86 15:11:04 EDT
From: paw3c%[email protected]
Reply-To: paw3c%[email protected]
Subject: New lease
Greetings from hunt country!
I've just started a half-lease on a wonderful hunter prospect.
He's about 16h, 7 years old, and his name is Mosby. He is
owned by Clairborne (?) Bishop, the woman who owns The Barracks
here in Charlottesville, where I ride.
Actually, I'm doing her quite a favor (and *paying* for it, too!).
Mosby's not very fit right now, as one of his lungs collapsed
in the spring and he was rested for quite a while. Clairborne's
been working him back slowly, though, and now I'll be assiting.
He's okay for normal work, but I have to watch him to make sure
he doesn't overdo it. He sounds like a steam locomotive when he
gets going, but I guess that's what it will be like. Anybody
ever worked with a horse with similar problems?
He's quite willing over fences (though he gets a little strong,
and doesn't always think first), and his gaits are nice.
I'm hoping to show in some of the local schooling shows this fall.
Of course, I haven't shown in *years*, so we'll see if I can
actually get up the nerve! I doubt we'll hunt this season, but
maybe he'll be okay to hilltop. We'll see.
In case anyone is interested, the horse market here in Va is
anything but depressed. Sigh. A horse like Mosby (if he
would pass a vet and had no medical history) would probably
go for at least $7500 (maybe more). Add to that the cost of
keeping him in a good barn (The Barracks has a variety of boarding
options, from field board at about $65/month to "full care"
board - where they'll even tack your horse for you - for $520/month)
not to mention vet an shoeing bills, and you're in for a lot. The
half-lease (half board, half vet, half shoeing, horse is "mine"
for 3 days a week, and 2 one-hour group lessons a week) is $375.
This is almost as much as rent! Oh, well...
On another topic...
Hi to Carlyn Lowery! As a former JESer myself (when I lived in
Northern Va), I know you're in good hands. Say hi to MC and
Amy for me...
Pat Wilson
UVa Medical School
UUCP: ...!cbosgd!uvacs!krebs!paw3c
...!decvax!mcnc!ncsu!uvacs!krebs!paw3c
CSNET: [email protected]
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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 86 18:55:37 edt
From: Laura Edmundson <laura%[email protected]>
Subject: good news, etc.
Hi everybody,
It's been so long since I last wrote that you probably wondered if
I was still around. Let's just say that between doing research and keeping
up two horses I haven't had too much free time. The good news is that at
the first event of the Fall season, Ft. Rucker, I rode both horses in the
Preliminary division placing 3rd on Spellbound and 6th on Champ! Not bad
considering that Bounder is still fairly inexperienced at prelim. and Champ
just celebrated his 17th birthday. They've both qualified for the area III
preliminary championships but I'm thinking of showing Champ Intermediate at
the event where the prelim. championships are held. I'll just wait and see
if he keeps going well.
In response to Ton's question about the consistency of american
show jumpers... It seems fairly clear that the influence of Bert DeNemethy
has lead to this continued success. When he first began to coach the team,
he emphasized schooling the horse on the flat (simple dressage) as well as
the use of cava cavaletti (gymnastic jumping) to make the horses more
flexible and obedient. The riders who had been taught by DeNemethy then
started to teach his methods to their students. Another big factor is the
popularity of equitation classes for junior riders. These competitions
(AHSA medal, Maclay, and USET) are preparing the juniors for the high
pressure of riding for the team as well as requiring that they learn how to
ride correctly/effectively. (Note: I realize that a lot of equitation
riders only look good on made horses, but these riders will never make it
in the big equitation finals.)
Bye,
Laura Edmondson
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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 86 15:48:07 EDT
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Help needed in buying a saddle
> I have been riding for about a year and a half and I am considering buying
> a saddle of my own (particularly since I intend to ride three times a week
> now). I ride English and I would like a combined training saddle if
> such things exist (otherwise a jump saddle). Which brands should I be
> looking at? My in-laws are going to England in the fall. Would
> it be a good idea to ask them to get one there and ship it? Any
> help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Ania O'Brien
THe first saddle I bought was a Passier all purpose. I can't really tell
you how well I liked it because shortly after I bought it it was stolen
from the tack room at the stable where I rode. I bought a Stubben (sp?)
Wotan to replace it and it worked O.K. for the two years that I had it. At
that point, the instructor I was working with thought my riding would
improve greatly if I got a good saddle. He got me a Kieffer Izar
(pronounced 'E-zar') from a saddle shop in Germany where he used to do all
his business when he was living there. He was right - it did make a BIG
difference for the better in the way I rode. It puts your seat in exactly
the right spot and lets your legs hang just the way they should. Kieffer
saddles are also substantially lighter than the other saddles I've ridden
or held.
For combined training, you'll want an "all-purpose" saddle (or two saddles,
a dressage saddle and a jumping saddle), but no saddle is truly
"all-purpose". Any saddle that claims to be an all-purpose saddle really
has a tendency one way or the other, dressage or jumping. The ones with a
tendency for jumping let you swim a little when riding dressage (my Wotan
did, at any rate) and the knee rolls on the ones with a tendency for
dressage aren't as big as the knee rolls on a jumping saddle. The Izar I
have works very well for dressage and satisfactorily for jumping. The man
who got me mine goes Prelim eventing in his.
The only draw back to the Izar is the price - mine cost $580 and that was
with no fittings, wholesale from a friend, and bought near the factory.
I think Libertyville Saddle shop sells them retail for between $900
and $1000. They'll also accept your first-born male child.
There exist all-purpose saddles on which the leg flap hinges to move
forward for jumping and backward for dressage. I know a family that has one
of those for their daughter and they're not real sure about the reliability
of the hinge. I personally would stay away from one.
The conclusion? Get yourself a Kieffer saddle if at all possible. They make
all-purpose saddles other than the Izar. Look at one of those. Check out
the ads in tack shops or the local horse paper for used saddles. A friend
of mine got a very good used Kieffer all purpose for $350. Check out State
Line Tack Shop, which puts out a catalog and sells well below usual retail,
for the saddle of your choice. Also, before you buy any saddle, put it or
one just like it on a horse and ride for an hour or so to see how you like
it.
Good luck. After you buy one, let us know what you did, why you chose what you
chose, and how you like it.
Carl Deitrick
ihnp4!ihu1n!cbd
P.S. Kieffer measures their saddles by sizes 0, 1, or 2 (they did mine) rather
than by inches as we see here in this country. I don't know how the
English measure their saddles, but if their scheme is different, find out how
to translate the measure. It's important that your saddle fit.
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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 86 15:32:36 EDT
From: [email protected]
Subject: The Prince of Wales
ATTENTION ANGLOPHILES! The man who owns the barn where I keep my horse
was the referee at the Oak Brook polo match that Prince Charles played
in recently. The word from him is that Charles is a real gentleman, a
good rider, and deserves the four-goal rating he currently holds. Just
thought you'd all like to know.
Carl Deitrick
ihnp4!ihu1n!cbd
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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 86 11:21:35 EDT
From: [email protected]
Subject: More About Saddles
I forgot to mention that Argentinian saddles have a reputation for being
pure garbage. I've never ridden in one, but I have seen several, and I
tend to agree.
Carl Deitrick
ihnp4!ihu1n!cbd
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| 77.11 | Equestrian Digest Issue #40 | RADON::BELANGER | Boycott Boycotts! | Wed Dec 10 1986 23:35 | 317 |
| Equestrian Digest Mon 27 Oct 1986 Issue 40
Today's Topics:
Address Changes
Midwest Grand Prix results for Digest
meeting digest folk, Arab Reg'y
Choosing a Trainer
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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 86 06:50:58 EST
From: [email protected] (Equestrian Digest Coordinator)
Subject: Address Changes
Reply-To: [email protected] (Ken Rossen)
To correct an error made in an earlier issue, Brent Chapman's address is:
Brent Chapman <[email protected]>.
Pat Valdata <pyuxz!patv2> has left the net, and Carl Deitrick has a new
address:
Carl Deitrick <ihnp4!ihuxv!cbd>.
There are two new subscribers, tho' one of them hasn't yet supplied me
a name:
USERE27Q <USERE27Q%[email protected]>,
Christopher Zukowski <[email protected]>.
Sorry to be so long with there, but traffic has been slow. Any contributions
are quite welcome!
Take care.
--
Ken Rossen ...!{ihnp4,harvard,seismo}!ccv.bbn.com!horse-request
____or____ [email protected] -or- [email protected]
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From: foundln!robin%[email protected]
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 86 18:49:58 edt
Subject: Midwest Grand Prix results for Digest
For those who have an interest in show jumping, the 1986 Midwest Grand
Prix season concluded October 4 with the Midwest Federal Grand Prix
held at the Minnesota Fall Horse Show. Bill Kraut took overall best
rider for the season. Donald Cheska and Magnam took first place in
the Midwest Federal Grand Prix. Kraut and Cee Dee won the Puissance
on October 3, but failed to set a new record for high jumping.
Cee Dee won the Puissance by attempting a wall of 7 foot 1/4 inch.
Both other finalists refused, while Cee Dee tried and knocked down the
top 6 inches.
We were fascinated by a competitor who finished seventh, a horse with
a classic Appaloosa blanket on his rump called Diamonds Applejack. He
looked like an App but stood very tall, probably over 17 hands.
Pulled like and engine. His rider had a tough break; he held his
horse to a very slow pace through the course and jumped clean
(something only 6 other horses in a field of 28 managed to do that
night) but misjudged his time just a little and finished the course
3 seconds over the maximum time allowed.
Not to change the subject, but has anyone found an effective method to
convince the local newspapers to carry reports on horse sports other
than racing? Even information on what horse activities are going to
happen would be nice. We almost missed the preliminary jumping at the
Minnesota Fall Horse Show because no listing about the show mentioned
those events. It is not the first time that we learned about an
interesting horse event too late to attend. We tried to talk to
sports editors in the Minneapolis major newspaper and found that they
simply do not believe that anybody wants to know about horse events
who does not already know about them.
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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 86 13:50 EDT
From: <PUY%[email protected]>
Subject: meeting digest folk, Arab Reg'y
The first week of this month, Evan and I took a trip to
Minneapolis to attend a friend's wedding. While we were in the
area, we had an oppotunity to see robin and johns new charges.
Toncha (john's horse) is a very typy big appaloosa gelding, and his
neigh really can bring the barn down. Imp is a quarter/thoroughbred
cross, with a golden disposition. To Evan's and my delight, we were
able to ride that afternoon, thanks to robin borrowing a horse and
giving up hers for a couple of hours. Thanks Robin!. If John and
Robin's horses are representative of the type of animals that you can
get in Minnesota for a reasonable price, then it really is a fantastic
buyers market out there! John also got a real find in an old "officers
saddle". The saddle looks as though it would be a great candidate
for someone looking for an "all purpose" saddle.
We also had an opportunity to visit someone with a polish arab
stallion. We were talking about registation and freeze marking among
other things. I thought that I'd post some info that I've gotten
about freeze marking and registration for Arabs.
I called up the Arabian Horse Reg'y of America to try to get some
lineage on my gelding. According to the woman I talked to at the
registry, field reps are sent out to do the actual freeze marking, and
the owner must have the registration papers, and the mark is made on the
horses neck and is recorded on the papers at that time. She was not aware
of any other "companies" doing freeze marking on Arabians. Anyway, with
my horse's freeze mark number, I got the name of the sire and dam. I can
also get a 5 generation pedigree for the horse (costs $10.00). I can also
contact any of the past owners by sending a SASE to the registry, and they
will forward it to the previous owner. It sounds like freeze marking is
a good idea. The woman I talked to was very helpful. The Registry is
listed under the Denver telephone directory.
Well, I'm going to sign off for now. Thank you again, robin and
john!
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UNIVERSITY PARK, PA 16802 PUY%[email protected] (ARPA)
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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 86 02:10:00 EDT
From: [email protected]
Subject: Choosing a Trainer
I had asked another subscriber to the digest for advice about
choosing a trainer/instructor. Ken knew that I had done that and
asked me to share whatever I could with other subscribers.
I've been riding since June 1979. In 1982 or so I met a local event
rider/trainer named Jurgen Gohler at a clinic. Jurgen is from West
Germany where (he claims) he rode for the German National Event
Team. He also says that he was an alternate for the 1972 Olympics.
I rode in his clinic mostly out of curiosity, but Jurgen and I hit
it off pretty well and after that I would take a lesson from him
whenever I could.
I bought a horse of his that he wanted to retire and worked with it
for about a year and a half. The horse and I never really got along
so I sold it and bought another (the App I now have) that I kept in
training with Jurgen for more than a year. This past spring Jurgen
and I had a serious falling out and so after two and a half years
on his farm I moved the horse to a good public stable near here.
After a brief period of being disgusted with everything and
everyone connected in any way with horses, I've regained my
enthusiasm and am looking for an event coach. I can tell you the
general qualities I'm looking for in an instructor, but I can't
tell you how to decide if a person knows what (s)he is doing. Is a
dressage instructor who teaches by method A better than one who
teaches by method B? Is an event coach who stresses conditioning
better than one who stresses dressage? Is a jump coach who
emphasizes work on the flat better than one who pushes you over
fence after fence? Beats the hell out of me. If any one can tell me
what is good jumping and what is bad jumping, send me mail and let
me know.
This advice is directed at people who have learned as much as they
can from riding in group lessons and who have decided that they
want to get more serious about riding. 'Serious' here means that
they are looking to buy a horse (though not necessarily a gazillion
dollar job) and are ready to expend the time, effort, and money it
takes to improve. I will refer to the instructor/trainer as 'he'
just because it takes too much time and effort to type '(s)he'
everywhere. Also, the model for what an instructor shouldn't be is
male.
There are two fundamental points that are the basis for all that
follows:
You have to be very good to make a living as a riding
instructor/ horse trainer. There's a lot of skill that goes
into teaching even the most basic stuff. That knowledge and
ability should be respected. However, you too have put in a
lot of work and effort to get good at what you do for a
living. *That* knowledge deserves respect. The two of you are
equals, but it just happens that for several hours a week
he's the instructor and you're the student. The instructor
must understand that. If you ask a question, you deserve a
serious response. If you have problem, you deserve an
explanation and help. If, for any reason, he treats you like
pond scum, dump him immediately. It doesn't matter if he
hatched your horse from an egg he laid himself, fire him if
he doesn't treat you with respect.
An instructor and student spend so much time together and get
so involved in what they're doing that it's easy to forget
this, but forgetting it is going to cause you much grief.
You're giving this person money to teach something to you
and/or your horse. That makes it a business relationship,
which is totally different from and often at cross purposes
with a personal friendship. You can be friendly, you can help
with his shows, you can help around the barn, you can even
have a good time with him, but neither of you should ever
forget that any conflicts are going to be resolved in favor
of the business. If he has personal problems, he can tell
them to Jesus, not dump them on you. If he forgets that
you're paying the bills then he's going to start thinking
that he's doing you a favor by dealing with you at all.
A corollary to this applies especially to women. It sometimes
happens that male instructors attract female students who are
more interested in the instructor than in learning about
horses and how to ride. (I'm sure that female instructors
attract male students in the same way. I've just never seen
it happen.) If you find yourself considering an instructor
strictly on the basis of personal attraction, decide if you
want to ride with or pursue the instructor. You can't do
both. Like I said, this advice is directed toward serious
riders.
With that in mind, here goes.
Look for an instructor who has a good show record in the discipline
and at the level you're interested in. If your goal is to ride
First Level dressage, then find an instructor who's doing good at
low level dressage. No one places in the ribbons all the time, but
you want someone who turns in consistently good performances. Stay
away from people who make excuses for why they always have less
than sterling rides.
You can only make progress if you're relaxed, physically and
mentally, on the horse, so look for an instructor who can make you
feel comfortable. He shouldn't scream, shout, curse, or show
anger, scorn, derision, or impatience. (Remember, you're equals.)
It's a bad sign if you dread taking a lesson from him, even if he
is *the* instructor everyone's excited about.
A good instructor should teach. That sounds elementary, but some
instructors forget it. For instance, when I first started taking
lessons from Jurgen, he would tell me "Put the horse on the bit"
but never bothered to teach me what that meant or how to do it. I
had no idea about the aids that go into making the horse move on
the bit. The dressage instructor I'm working with now is just the
opposite - he explains in great detail what each part of you is
supposed to do and how it all works together.
A good instructor should show enthusiasm for what he's doing. He
should also take it seriously. I used to take lessons from a man
who would just flat-out cancel one lesson out of four and be late
for one other. He always acted as if he had better things to do. If
he's not interested in what he's doing, he can't possibly do a good
job.
Another elementary characteristic that all trainers should have but
that some don't have is genuine affection for horses. Ask to see
his personal horses in their stalls. How do the horses react to his
presence? Are they happy to see him? Are they afraid of him? Watch
the trainer ride one of his horses for an hour. Does the horse
seem happy in his work? Does the trainer mistreat his horse? Is it
anything less than happy harmony? If so, find some one else.
A good instructor should be able to help you make progress even if
your horse isn't the world's greatest. If he knows what he's doing,
he'll be able to figure out most problems and help you get around
them as much as possible.
A good instructor shouldn't gossip or belittle other trainers.
Admittedly, this is a personal quirk of mine, but I see the
tendency to do this as a sign that the person is insecure and has
no self-confidence. An insecure instructor will try to build
himself up by putting his students down. That shit just grinds me
down, but you do as you please with this.
So who am I working with now? The owners of the stable where I
presently keep my horse have four different part-time instructors.
I've been taking dressage lessons from one of them, a man name
Guillermo De Hoogh. I had heard good things about him before I
moved to this stable so I was looking forward to meeting him and
seeing him for myself. The first lesson I took from was just to get
to know him so we talked a lot and I let him ride my horse for 30
minutes. He showed as many of the above characteristics as I could
tell about from such a short time, but I thought he was worth
further consideration, so I've been taking one lesson from him
every week. We've been making progress and so far I'm satisfied.
Another of the instructor is a young woman who had been one of
Jurgen's students before I knew him so I knew some of the basics
about her. I never even considered taking a lesson from her until I
happened to see her riding in a couple of Training Level event. I
was jump-judging and watched her ride two horses in one event and
one horse in another. She was very smooth, very quiet, and very
effective, even though two of those horse were inexperienced at
cross-country. The owners of the stable where I keep my horse are
having her train one of their young horses and they speak well of
her. I took my first lesson from her this past Sunday (10/19/86) to
see if we could get along with each other. We talked a lot and I
jumped only maybe six fences, but it went well and we're going to
try it again this Sunday. There are no guarantees that things will
work out.
Carl Deitrick
ihnp4!ihuxv!cbd
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| 77.12 | Equestrian Digest Issue #41 | RADON::BELANGER | Boycott Boycotts! | Wed Dec 10 1986 23:36 | 309 |
| Equestrian Digest Wed 5 Nov 1986 Issue 41
Today's Topics:
New Names, New Subscribers
Bye to a friend
Any trail riders out there?
Hello again
instructors
PRACTICAL HORSEMAN, November 1986 contents
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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 86 12:33:28 EST
From: [email protected] (Equestrian Digest Coordinator)
Subject: New Names, New Subscribers
Reply-To: [email protected] (Ken Rossen)
User E27 Q is really Ron Frederick:
Ron Frederick <usere27q%[email protected]>.
Karen Seo has a new home machine, and Karen Siegrist is a new subscriber:
Karen Seo <[email protected]>,
Karen Siegrist <[email protected]>.
--
Ken Rossen ...!{ihnp4,harvard,seismo}!ccv.bbn.com!horse-request
____or____ [email protected] -or- [email protected]
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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 86 13:11:50 EST
From: Deryl Burr <[email protected]>
Subject: Bye to a friend
My Husband and I just lost our first horse last weekend. Our
horse was a 12 year old thoroughbred gelding. Hastings had lots of spunk
and was all ways willing to try his best. His main fault was rushing
fences.
Hastings developed a case of colic on Friday. The vet looked
at him and treated him for the standard food colic. Saturday came and
Hastings was no better and yet not yet violent. Hastings just acted
very grumpy and would kick if you touched his stomach, but he did not
keep kicking his stomach and looking at it. The vet could not find any
blockage by any external means. So Saturday afternoon we sent him off
to the Rochester Equine Clinic in Rochester NH for surgery.
It turned out that Hastings had a mineral deposit stone the
size of a large grapefruit and weighting 12 lbs in the large intestine.
It had obviously been growing for many years but had Hastings had just
started to try and pass it, when it became lodged in the transverse
colon and backing everything up.
Dr. Brown had been able to remove the stone and repair some of
the damage. She was hopeful that there was no additional damage to the
transverse colon because She had no way of removing it from the
abdomen for inspection. She had felt that the next five days would be
critical for Hastings. His system would have to be able to heal any
damage and start up digestion again in that time.
Unfortunately Hastings had more fight in him than was good for
him. After surgery as soon as he came out of anesthesia he started to
try and get back up on his feet, even though he was still too weak.
All Sunday he kept trying to get up, He would fall and then would try
again. He would not rest between tries. Dr. Brown tried sedation, and
Hastings would fight as soon as he was no longer out cold, but still
groggy he would try again. Dr. Brown tried even to use the sling to
help him up but Hastings fought their efforts. He refused to rest at
all. Finally at 7 pm he suffered cardio-vascular failure and died. He
fought till the end.
Dr. Brown and everyone at the Rochester Clinic were wonderful,
and I know that Hastings had the best of everything while he was in their
care. I know that he is now enjoying greener pastures.
Deryl Burr
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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 86 17:36:47 est
From: "Emily S. Bryant" <emilyb%[email protected]>
Subject: Any trail riders out there?
I've been reading the Equestrian Digest for a few months, have enjoyed
various hints and news. I guess it is about time to introduce myself.
I live in New Hampshire, near Dartmouth College, a rural area
(not far from S. Strafford VT., home of the eventers Denny Emerson,
Tad Coffin, Beth Perkins, for those of you in the eventing circle).
This makes it a bit easier for me to keep horses I think, than
some folks I see in the digest who have to figure out boarding in
the city or suburbs. On the other hand, sometimes it is hard to find
horse-sitters when it is time to go on vacation, and it is me
who has to fix the fence they broke...
I have a 22 year old Anglo-Arab mare, her 6 year-old son by
a Connemara pony, and a Welsh-Shetland pony who mostly serves
as companion. My interests are in distance riding, and then I know
I should do more dressage, but the open trail sometimes diverts
me from that. My mare completed the Vermont 100-mile ride twice
and has done numerous other smaller rides, including a 15-mile
ride we put on this past June. Her son has done a few rides,
with mixed results, but I think he has promise.
Are there any other trail riders out there?
Well, I'd better be off and tend to chores ...
Emily Bryant
[email protected]
or
{decvax, ihnp4}!dartvax!emilyb (on UUCP)
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Date: Wed, 29 Oct 86 07:20:06 est
From: Judy Grass <[email protected]>
Subject: Hello again
Riding here has gotten better since this fall. I have a reliable jumping
instructor who seems to be very knowledgeable, and doesn"t contradict
my dressage instructor often. (In fact: Pam Potter(my jump instructor)
competed against Sally Harden (the dressage instructor) and they came in
one-two in the event.) I seem to still be learning, so I'm happy.
I even had a chance to be an out-rider at a small horse trial this fall.
THat was a bit of fun. Frustrating too as the event was at a level I
could have competed in if I only had a horse... Five hours in the saddle can
be pretty hard on the rear-end.
I seem to finally be getting the hang of riding the big thoroughbred I've
been using for dressage lessons. I have been having difficulty sitting as
far "backwards" as Sally wants me to. Sitting WAY back and driving him
forward really seems to result in a lot lighter and more controlable horse.
It is hard to get myself to do that though, when I have a slight suspicion
he'd like to run off with me. We have made a lot of progress, but
unfortunately the horse is going to be retired this week. He has been only
marginally sound since spring, resulting in a lot of cancelled lessons.
For now retired means retired: put out to pasture. Sally is resisting
putting him down as long as she can afford to. Next week she will be
getting a new horse: a big, pully quarter horse. Brandy (the retiree) is
trained to third level dressage. The new guy knows nothing. That probably
means a lot less shoulder-in/ haunches-in/ turn on the haunches work for
awhile.
I am still saving my pennies for a horse, but buying and keeping a horse
around here is going to be expensive. I expect I'll come up with horse
buying money in the spring when Uncle Sam returns the money I have been
over paying him in taxes. Meanwhile I will continue to have horseless
rider frustration dreams (e.g. 10 minutes to my start time for dressage,
but I can't find my breeches or boots, and haven't memorized the test,
which appears to be written in some form of Hollywood jargon with no
reference to the letter markers.. that was last night's horse frustration
dream).
On the topic of Horse sports and newspaper coverage: A lot of the local
papers do cover the BIG events, in the Society pages (as usual). There is
one big exception: The Newark Star-Ledger has a regular horse-sport
correspondent that writes a column every Sunday. Her column appears in the
last pages of the Sports section with columns on Horse Racing, Hunting,
Fishing and participatory sports. The column always includes a pretty
complete listing of Horsey things open to the public around the state. Her
bias is pretty much hunter-jumper competitions, but she does write about
eventing and driving on occasion. (Sorry, but I can't remember her name.)
Oh well, off to work I go...
-- Judy Grass
ATT Bell Labs, Murray Hill
(ulysses!jeg)
P.S. THis got bounced back to me because I didn't have the path right the
first time. Since yesterday I have gotten some unsettling news. The man
that owns Floradale farm has hired a new instructor, and wants to make all
riding students that use his school horses (like me) take lessons with the
new instructor. (E.G. force me to quit Pam Potter for the new guy).
AAAARGH! Just when I am getting on so well with Pam. I am going to fight
this, even if it means dropping the jumping lessons until I can get my own
horse. This is clearly a ploy so that Mr M (the owner) will take in more
money on me. Please note: he only has 2 school horses as far as I can
tell. Please also note that Robert B., who failed to show up for 5 of the
10 lessons I was supposed to have with him was ALSO one of Mr. M.'s
official instructors.
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Date: Wed, 29 Oct 86 19:58:54 est
From: Laura Edmundson <laura%[email protected]>
Subject: instructors
Carl,
Some ideas for finding out about a particular instructor:
1. Set up a time to meet with the instructor when he/she will not
be busy with some other activity, i.e., riding, lessons, etc.
2. When you meet the instructor tell him (concisely) about your
previous experience, competitive and lessons. Find out if he
is willing to teach someone at your level, and if he is currently
teaching any other students at approximately your level.
3. If possible, arrange to watch a lesson or do a course walk with
a group at your level. This will let you see how well the instructor
can relate to your problems and level of knowledge. If he doesn't
explain the "why's" (i.e., why should this jump be ridden more
slowly than that jump?, Why should I sit deeper as I approach a
jump?, etc.) then he is not going to teach you horsemanship. He is
just teaching students as he would program a robot to perform some
action at some time without explaining the purpose of the action.
4. Try to talk to students who are taking, or have taken, lessons
from this instructor. Find out what they like/dislike and what
sort of progress they feel they have made.
5. Find out if the instructor will provide you with a conditioning
schedule to use between lessons. This is a must for people who
are just starting to event or who are just moving to a new level
as conditioning requirements vary tremendously between novice and
training and between training and preliminary.
6. The instructor should have taken a green horse to at least
preliminary level (this also includes difficult horses or a horse
who has never evented before). This way you know that he didn't
get his experience just by riding "made" horses.
7. Make sure that he will be available to coach you at your first few
events (mainly for cross-country and stadium).
There are a few other general considerations:
1. You must trust the instructor.
2. The instructor must be able to *teach* you as an individual, that is
he should not try to fit you to his lesson but he should fit his
lesson to you.
3. If the instructor doesn't like your horse you are in trouble. Try
to find someone with an open mind. For example, if I had listened
to a few of my early dressage instructors, I would never have kept
my horse, Champ, who has taken me to the American Continental Young
Riders Championships twice and was twice the AHSA/Insilco zone 4
reserve champion at preliminary level.
4. If you get started with an instructor and things are not working
out, then stop taking lessons and look for a new instructor. The
frustration of dealing with a problem instructor will do a thousand
times more harm to your riding that any of his instruction will do
your riding good.
5. It is usually good if your instructor has previously been taught
by someone who is very good, i.e., someone who has competed or
taught at the international level.
Good luck in finding an instructor. It sounds as though the ones you've found
so far might be pretty good.
Bye,
Laura Edmondson
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From: caip!meccts!foundln!robin%ll-xn.UUCP@bbnccv
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 86 11:47:56 est
Subject: PRACTICAL HORSEMAN, November 1986 contents
Here's a new offering for the equestrian digest; I will attempt to
regularly enter the tables of contents of the horse magazines I
receive so that you can scan the list for subjects of interest to you.
My own additions are in [ ]. If you want more information about a
particular article, send a message. I'll try to help. Suggestions on
improving the format are also welcome.
Robin Crickman,...caip!meccts!foundln!robin
Practical Horseman (Volume 14, number 11), November 1986
FEATURES
Jaap Pot Judging Dressage. The international horseman describes how he
evaluates young dressage horses--in their training and in competition.
Stable Skills: How to Make a Soaking Bandage. This easy-to-apply bandage
will take over the hosing and tubbing while you do something else.
Computerizing Your Barn. If you find yourself doing the same dull paperwork
tasks again and again, maybe it's time to go electronic. Here are some
tools that can streamline your stable bookeeping.
Bandaging Strategy. Do you want to sweat your horses' legs? Support them?
Protect them? There are bandages for those jobs and more...once you know
the techniques that produce each special effect.
Step-by-Step, Mike Plumb. Launching the Event Horse [Part 7 of 7]. The
gold-medal-winning rider teaches you his proven system for starting a horse
on a successful eventing career. Lesson Seven (conclusion): The Day of
the Event.
DEPARTMENTS
Saddle Ways and Bridle Whys. Hunter-jumper rider Patty Johnson helps with
a horse that can't canter his corners; endurance rider Winky Mackay-Smith
teaches a young horse to drink from streams; from veterinarian Jonathan
Palmer, diagnosing a skin problem.
Forum Show-barn owner Tim Kees, top junior ride Jennifer Cronin, and western
trainer Clark Bradley suggest ways to find a good riding instructor.
Idea Exchange [using a picnic cooler for an insulated water container for
winter]
Your horse isn't eating well...What do you do?
Confirmation Clinic with Champ Hough [3-year-old thoroughbreds]
Jumping Clinic with George Morris [regular feature wherein Morris criticizes
riders from photographs they send in]
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| 77.13 | Equestrian Digest Issue #42 | RADON::BELANGER | Boycott Boycotts! | Wed Dec 10 1986 23:37 | 274 |
| Equestrian Digest Thu 13 Nov 1986 Issue 42
Today's Topics:
New Subscribers, New DEC Notesfile
an article!
Introduction
Update
Introduction
ABSTRACT: Population Genetics Problems in Performance Horse Breeding
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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 86 14:41:06 EST
From: [email protected] (Equestrian Digest Coordinator)
Subject: New Subscribers, New DEC Notesfile
Reply-To: [email protected] (Ken Rossen)
There are three new subscribers as of this issue:
Roland Belanger <belanger%[email protected]>,
Pam Benson <[email protected]>,
Gabor Polner <[email protected]>
DEC people note: Roland is making arrangements to initiate a DEC Notesfile
conference solely for Equestrian Digest issues (they have heretofore been
posted to the EQUITATION conference). For further information on the
EQUESTRIAN-DIGEST notesfile, write Roland at LDP::BELANGER.
--
Ken Rossen ...!{ihnp4,harvard,seismo}!ccv.bbn.com!horse-request
____or____ [email protected] -or- [email protected]
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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 86 13:53:16 EST
From: paw3c%[email protected] (Pat Wilson, Med School
AT&T Systems Admin)
Reply-To: paw3c%[email protected] (Pat Wilson, Med
School AT&T Systems Admin)
Subject: an article!
Gosh, it's nice to get my horsedigest fix again! Hello,all.
I've got a small problem... I'm riding hunters at a fairly basic
level (contrary to popular belief, doing something for many years
does not automatically make you good at it! *sigh*) - we're
jumping 2' and 2'6" on capable school horses, and I've seen many
of them over 3'6" courses in shows. *My* problem is that I panic
at single poles raised above 2'. They just look so HIGH!
Intellectually, I *know* they're not a big deal - I could jump
them _without_ a horse. But when we come up the line, I'm really
terrified! I don't have this problem with brush boxes or
anything else, and after the first time over, I'm usually ok.
That first time, though, is scary.
Has anyone ever had this happen to them? I did take a bad fall
last November (onto, of all things, a raised cavaletti pole), and
couldn't sit up for three days... it's (so far) the worst horse
accident I've had. However, I've got to figure out some way to
get over this, or else think seriously about not jumping (!!!).
Any suggestions?
On another note, finances (or lack thereof) have forced me to
quit my half-lease on Mosby. He was taking *all* of my disposble
income! Now, I don't mind tunafish once in awhile, but when it's
all you can afford? Right now, even if someone *gave* me a
horse, I'd have to think twice (and maybe three times) about
taking it. Of course, The Barracks is the best (and most
expensive) place around here... I've realized that the initial
price of the horse is just a drop in the bucket compared to all
the other things involved. Oh, well - when I win Publisher's
Clearinghouse...
Pat Wilson
UVa Medical School
UUCP: ...!cbosgd!uvacs!krebs!paw3c
...!decvax!mcnc!ncsu!uvacs!krebs!paw3c
CSNET: [email protected]
BITNET: [email protected]
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From: [email protected]
Subject: Introduction
Date: 8 Nov 86 07:50:50 CST (Sat)
Hi,,,,,,,,
As a new member to the digest I would like to introduce myself.
My name is Pam Benson and my horse is Navajo Rain Dance, Rain for
short. I've had Rain for 2 years and I got him as a yearling. Ive
had him at a local trainers the whole time (mainly because Marie
and I are good friends and there are lots of country back roads to
ride on). Rain is a registered black and white tobiano Paint/Pinto.
For those of you who are curious about the difference -- Paints are
of QH or TB breeding. They must be at least 14-3 hands and NOT gaited.
Pintos are any spotted horse, any size (miniture, pony, etc). There
4 catagories of Pintos. Stock type - QH. Hunt type - TB.
Saddle type - Saddlebred. Pleasure type - Arab or Morgan. Pintos can
be gaited. So as you can see you can find spots in just about any breed
type. The other interesting thing about Paints/Pintos is the fact that
no two horses are marked the same. Its kinda of neat knowing that my
horse is one of a kind in a manner of speaking. As you can tell I
love spots. I've always love horses in any shape of form but I have
had a soft spot (no pun intended) in my heart for Paints ever sense
I saw Tonto's horse Scout on tv as a little girl.
I enjoy driving, western riding and a little basic english ( I'm planning
on improving the english eventually). In the short time I've had Rain
he has been trained to do all 3. He was broke to harness as a yearling.
Being he was way too young to ride he learned to pull things like tires,
sleds, and tin cans. Once we progressed to the training cart the real fun
began. I now have a 2-wheeled meadowbrook cart and my own driving harness
which I just got this summer. I just want to say that driving is as much
fun if not more that riding. The only thing you must remember is that the
horse must be very settled and quite because you have about 10 feet between
you and his head. Rain is very laid-back for a 3 yr old and very sensable.
When it came time to start riding him, he just took it all in stride. He
already knew all the simple commands and how to side pass from being in
the cart so much. The first time I climbed aboard, he just turned and
looked at as if to say ` NOW, what are you doing
(excuse my finger error)
Well I've told you all about my horse, now a little about me.
I've only actually been into horses for the time I've had Rain. I
used to read (and still do) every horse related book I could get my
hands on. I met Marie (my trainer and friend) thru another friend.
I put myself in her capable hands to learn what I needed to know to
be a GOOD horse person. She helped me find Rain and has let me help
in the training of him. I have to admit tho I have learned more from
her in 2 yrs that from all the books I ever read. Like I said earlier
I enjoy driving, western riding and trail riding. I want to improve
my english eventually so I can also show in english pleasure and maybe
hunter/hack. I like to watch the high jumpers and cross country jumpers
but dont know if I have enough courage to do it. Im courios about dressage
too but it will be a few more years before Rain is ready to try anything
like that. He isnt a tall as the warmbloods (15-3 and still growing)
but his build is a little slimmer than most QH's (he is QH breeding).
I think Ive typed enough for now. Please excuse my finger errors my
terminal has a few sticky keys.
Pam Benson & Rain ihlpa!pkb
Bell Labs, Naperville, Il.
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Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1986 20:10 -
From: Martin L. Levin <SOC%[email protected]>
Subject: Update
On the horse front, we had a super hunt today, nearly 3 and one-half hour
of continuous running despite the high tempatures. I had to rush back and
change to run over the the Atlanta National Dressage Show to call my
wife's 2:00 test. Between eventing, hunting and showing, life has been
rather hectic. But we have been having a good time. My wife's event
horse--Pagan-- has been doing very well. See page 8 of the October 17,
Chronicle of the Horse. Since then he came in second in the regional
training level championships, became the Georgia Dressage and Combined
Training Association Training level horse of the year and competed on the
Georgia Team at the Kentucky Horse Park in Lexington where the team came in
fourth, dropping from first due to one of the "steadiest" riders having a
suprising stop on the cross-country. The Horse Park, as is Lexington, is
something phenomenal for horsemen to see. We were stabled adjacent to the
World Championship cross-country course. On Friday morning, my wife went
for a hack across the course with some locals who knew it. After some
reflection, she announced that compared to the films of the course we had
seen, it really didn't look all that bad in true life and she thought she
could work Pagan up to it in about two-years. Pray for me!!!
[List Coordinator's Note: Nice work, Sherry and Pagan! Mustn't blame
Martin for being too proud -- he originally intended this as personal
correspondence, but it's always nice to hear about the accomplishments
of other subscribers! -kjr]
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From: [email protected]
Subject: Introduction
Date: Thu Nov 13 12:01:50 1986
Hello Ken,
Thank you for the mail. I have got today morning 13 letters from
you.
About myself: I am here as a Fogarty visiting fellow from Hungary.
I like horses very much and I always wanted to do something related to
horses. Three years ago I founded the "Al Borak" Hippological
Association which is still an unofficial company. I am the president,
the directory board consists of 5 leading persons of Hungarian
scientific and professional life: a biologist, a veterinary, a
pharmacist, an applied mathematician and an agricultural engineer.
Our goal is to discuss hippology and to organize equine research. We
have concrete projects in population genetics, virology, muscle
biochemistry, equine fertility, but this research was not funded
by any state farm of Hungary.
I am now sending a paper to The American Trakehner. Moreover I
am able to give a 60 minute talk on this subject, or write a review.
I am sending you the abstract now in another letter.
Could you advise me on where to publish it, or present it at a
conference?
My best wishes,
Gabor Polner
Mathematical Research Branch
National Institute of Dangerous Derby Kinetics
National Institutes of Horses
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From: [email protected]
Subject: ABSTRACT: Population Genetics Problems in Performance Horse Breeding
Date: Thu Nov 13 12:02:13 1986
Gabor Polner Ph.D.
Mathematical Research Branch
National Institute of Diabetes, Digestive and Kidney Diseases
National Institutes of Health
Super individuals or surviving population?
Population genetical problems of modern performance horse
breeding
ABSTRACT
In modern animal breeding it is a declared goal to breed
many super individuals, but the problem of assuring the
survival and evolution ability of the breed is neglected.
I should discuss the problems of purebred populations:
increasing inbreeding coefficient, random genetic drift and
decreasing of fertility, mass, performance, especially if
the population is small. Using individuals belonging to
foreign strains, these problems seem to be eliminated, but
our population will be segregating according to Mendel's
third law.
Computationally, if we would know the exact description or
possibility of the future offsprings' quality in each mate,
to optimize this process only in one mating season is
equivalent with the pairing problem. This problem is known
to be NP complete, which means that it is practically
unsolvable, because of its computing algorithms have at
least exponential complexity. In such cases we have to be
satisfied with heuristic approaches. I discuss some of these
approaches based on results of population genetics. I also
discuss the computational problems of satisfying
evolutionary ability in purebred and in hybrid populations
and analyse the assortative and dissortative mating
strategies. Furthermore, I analyse problems of embryo
transfer and artificial insemination by shipped semen.
Results are presented based on Thoroughbred and Trakehner
stud data.
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| 77.14 | Equestrian Digest Issue #43 | RADON::BELANGER | Boycott Boycotts! | Wed Dec 10 1986 23:41 | 397 |
| Equestrian Digest Tue 2 Dec 1986 Issue 43
Today's Topics:
Mailing List Changes
digest contribution
EQUUS, November 1986
EQUUS table of contents, December 1986
Phases of the Moon?
Practical Horseman, December 1986 contents
Bone Growth and Nutrition (From Equine Vet. Clinic)
Product News (from Equine Vet. Clinic)
Administrivia: Need BITNET volunteer(s), European volunteer
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Date: Mon, 1 Dec 86 14:56:33 EST
From: [email protected] (Equestrian Digest Coordinator)
Subject: Mailing List Changes
Reply-To: [email protected] (Ken Rossen)
Rob Bernardo <ptsfb!rob> is off the list. New subscribers are:
Thomas Churchill <MISS014%[email protected]>,
Diane Barlow Close <ihnp4!akgua!crash!canada>
-or- <canada%[email protected]>,
Anders Rantila <seismo!mcvax!enea!liuida!ara>.
Sumo Kindersley is now in Germany -- see the last message in this issue.
A belated happy Thanksgiving Day to all of you!
--
Ken Rossen ...!{ihnp4,harvard,seismo}!ccv.bbn.com!horse-request
____or____ [email protected] -or- [email protected]
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Date: 14 Nov 86 09:19:06 EST (Fri)
From: [email protected] (JJ Cymbaluk)
Subject: digest contribution
Hi Folks,
How are all the readers and riders? Here's an account of my experience
with a choking horse. If you've never had it happen, hope you can learn
a little bit from this description.
Choke, this happened to my horse and thankfully he came through with
no problems. Hope it doesn't happen to anyone of you folks--- but here's
a first hand description so you know what to expect.
My horse was the first one in his stall to eat that rainy, windy Sept.
night. By the time I got the last horse locked up, I heard a cough come
from Rusty's stall. Rusty, my 20 year old QH gelding, who is normally in
perfect health, had left his feed and was standing with his head over the
stall door looking quite miserable. Every 20 seconds or so, he'd give a
violent cough with head lowered and neck veins bulging out. I saw that he
was breathing o.k. and began to feel his neck to see if I could find where
the obstruction was in his throat. I couldn't feel anything and now slimy
grain was beginning to run out of his nostrils and mouth. So I ran for the
phone. The vet was beeped and he called me back. He was running IV on a
horse so he said remove all feed, hay and water from the stall and he
would get there as soon as he could. Hopefully Rusty will have dislodged
the obstruction in the meantime. No such luck, the vet arrived doped
him up and passed a stomach tube down to the obstruction, where he
began to use suction. Since the vet had to know exactly how much suction
to be using at all times--- that's right, you guessed it, he used his mouth
to draw out the stuck grain. He or his assistant would suck until the tube
was full and then empty it out, and yes, every once in a while they'd get
a mouthful. This went on for almost an hour until nothing else came out.
The doc gave him another tranq and went off to a colic case, to return in
a hour after Rusty had swallowed some more and softened up the grain and
whatever else was down there. In the meantime -- the vet had instilled this
worry in me-- if a horse has breathed in enough of his own saliva during
choking, there is a very dangerous chance of pneumonia--- oh great. So
anyhow, the doc returned twice and in the course of the evening, gave
Rusty two huge antibiotic shots. Finally, at about 2 am, he passed the
tube and it went all the way down!!!! We never really knew what caused
the choke. Maybe he just bolted his grain cause it was all thundering and
windy outside and he was hyper when he came in to eat.
Care instructions included, feeding a bran mash, hay and grass and
monitor the amount of water that he drinks. Taking his temperature and
reporting to the vet if it was even one degree higher. It was 102 the
day after and down to a normal 101 every day after that. The vet made
two or three follow up visits to give additional antibiotic shots and
also to check his teeth. There was nothing evident with the teeth that
should have caused choking, they needed only a slight floating. The vet
said he could come off of the bran gradually, but he seems to like it so
much better, I think we're going to keep him on it for good. Whew, he's
back to his normal self again.
Well that's all for now!
Janet Cymbaluk
p.s. MY SINCEREST SYMPATHIES GO OUT TO DERYL BURR, THERE WAS A TIME
THAT NIGHT WHEN I THOUGHT THE END WAS IN SIGHT.
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From: caip!meccts!foundln!robin%ll-xn.UUCP@bbnccv
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 86 05:19:22 est
Subject: EQUUS, November 1986
Here is another magazine table of contents. Additions in [ ] are my
additions. Feel free to send queries if you want to know more about a
particular listed item, I'll try to assist.
Robin Crickman, ...caip!meccts!foundln!robin
EQUUS, (number 109) November 1986
Special Report: How Drug Dependent Are We? Managing horses in the chemical
age.
Winning At Any Odds. Investigating the consequences of the chemical quick
fix.
Designing Drugs for Horses. How formulation and regulation set the standards
for intended use.
Calculated Risks In Everyday Drugs. How to avoid adverse effects and prepare
for potential surprises.
EQUUS Nine-Year Index
Horse Doctors. A retiree and an up-and-comer look at the evolution of
the veterinary profession over the last 50 years.
Reader Survey Reveals Top Health Concerns. Colic, lameness, nutrition
and hoof ailments lead the list of caretakers' worries. [Article offers
advice on named concerns.]
Bridging the Gap from Research to Practice. International Conference on
Equine Sports Medicine offers concrete techniques for managing equine athletes.
The File, a roundup of news and views that matter to the horse world.
Microchip aims to abolish equine identity crises.
Magazine's 40-ton "foster child" is no fluke.
Mother Nature and modern technology deal triplet trio.
HR 3838: notable changes, but no disasters for horse industry.
British Competition, American clinics give farrier team educational
opportunity.
EQUUS Consultants is a monthly feature in which selected experts from across
the country respond to questions raised by readers.
Do cataracts precede blindness?
Coping with an ungracious gelding.
Nerve damage and athletic limitations.
Can winter forage harm broodmare health?
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From: caip!meccts!foundln!robin%ll-xn.UUCP@bbnccv
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 86 05:19:58 est
Subject: EQUUS table of contents, December 1986
Here is another magazine table of contents. Statements in [ ] are my
additions. Feel free to send queries if you want to know more about a
particular listed item, I'll try to assist.
Robin Crickman, ...caip!meccts!foundln!robin
EQUUS, (number 110) December 1986
Interference Factors. Solving the problem of injurious foot faults is,
quite simply, a hoof-balancing act.
The Origin of Horse Breeds. How time and circumstance have shaped the
horse in your pasture.
The Cold Comforter. A collection of seasonal news and views designed to
help you and your horses take winter in stride.
Lounge and Learn: A Video Viewer's Guide. Horsemanship goes Hollywood
as more and more equestrians turn to videocassettes for an easy-chair
education.
Kippers Each and Every One. Thelwell's cartoon pony comes alive in the
New Jersey show ring.
Battling Back From a Broken Neck. Near-fatal injury requires time, patience
and ingenuity to beat the slim odds of recovery.
The File, a roundup of news and views that matter to the horse world.
Regulatory questions raised by PHF antibody screening test.
Artificial limbs rebuild legs and lives of equine amputees.
Southern horsemen face aftermath of summer drought.
EQUUS Consultants is a monthly feature in which selected experts from across
the country respond to questions raised by readers.
Fighting confinement boredom.
Is joint noise caused by faulty conformation?
Blood disorder eliminates clotting components.[TB mare with
thrombocytopenia]
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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 86 22:10:31 EST
From: [email protected]
Subject: Phases of the Moon?
During the week of 11/9/86, we here in Illinois had severely unseasonal
weather. Temperatures were down into single digits for two nights and
the high on the day in between was only into the teens. As expected,
the sudden cold made all the horses VERY frisky. I suffered through
two sessions of bucking, spooking, head shaking, whirling, snorting,
and bolting. I told all this to my dressage instructor when he asked
how I had been doing. He agreed that the sudden change in weather will
do that, but he also said that the full moon will contribute to such
behavior!
I have heard enough stories from respectable sources about how the full
moon affects people to believe that to be true, but I've never heard
about it affecting horses. Does any one out there have any evidence that
the full moon affects horses?
Carl Deitrick
ihnp4!ihuxv!cbd
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From: caip!meccts!foundln!robin%ll-xn.UUCP@bbnccv
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 86 04:36:40 est
Subject: Practical Horseman, December 1986 contents
Here is another magazine table of contents. Statements in [ ] are my
additions. Feel free to send queries if you want to know more about a
particular listed item, I'll try to assist.
Robin Crickman, ...caip!meccts!foundln!robin
Practical Horseman (Volume 14, number 12), 1986
FEATURES
Virginia Holgate Leng and the Pony that Couldn't Gallop. Their assault
on the World Three-Day-Event title: an Australian odyssey.
Stable Skills. How to Check Your Horse's Shoes For Fit. [Illustrations
of well-fitted and poorly-fitted shoes.]
What You Can Get For Free -- Or Nearly. A guide to a whole range of
horse-related products and services, most of them yours for the asking.
[Primarily government services and publications.]
Step-By-Step. Anne Kurinski. Jumping Better By Doing Less. Whether
you'rs a novice over fences or an advanced competitor, this gran prix
winner's sensible, proven system will make you a more effective and
confident rider. Lesson One: Before You Face a Fence.
DEPARTMENTS
Forum. Hunter rider Carol Coleman, western trainer Sharon Hart, and event
rider Torrance Watkins Fleischmann talk about keeping horses fit through
winter for early-spring competitions. [But their idea of winter sure sounds
wimpy to this Minnesotan.]
Idea Exchange [homemade cloth boot bags]
with the question of how to get him home.
Saddle Ways and Bridle Whys. Junior coach Sandy Sternberg helps improve
response to a rubber snaffle; western trainer Carol Potter gives advice
on teaching a horse to sidepass; from animal behaviorist Katherine Houpt,
a way to stop kicking on the trailer.
Jumping Clinic with George Morris [regular feature wherein Morris criticizes
riders from photographs they send in]
Confirmation Clinic with Champ Hough [male thoroughbreds, 2, 4 and 6 years
old]
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Date: Mon, 1 Dec 86 14:44:08 EST
From: Ken Rossen <[email protected]>
Subject: Bone Growth and Nutrition (From Equine Vet. Clinic)
As I did in Issue 26, I am here reprinting material of possible
interest from the Equine Veterinary Clinic (Drs. Heinze, West Lafayette,
Indiana) Newsletter. Please feel free to discuss anything mentioned
here in articles, or in correspondence.
The Heinzes, a father-and-son team of veterinarians specializing in
reproductive and orthopedic medicine (respectively) have been our
vets in Indiana for several years. If you need more information on
them, please write to me.
--
Ken Rossen ...!{ihnp4,harvard,seismo}!ccv.bbn.com!horse-request
____or____ [email protected] -or- [email protected]
______________________________________________________________________________
Bone Growth and Nutrition (from _H_o_r_i_z_o_n_s__i_n__H_o_r_s_e__H_e_a_l_t_h)
The conditions referred to as metabolic bone disease result from a
disturbance of the transition of cartilage to normal bone in growing
horses. Cartilage is formed in the areas of growth and is then converted
to skeletal bone. When this process does not occur as it should, physitis
(formerly called epiphysitis), osteochondritis dissecans (O.C.D),
osteocondrosis, juvenile osteoarthritis, and some angular limb deformities
can result. In addition, contracted tendons are often the result of pain
caused by the above disorders. Bone cysts and wobbler's syndrome are
probably manifestations of metabolic bone diseases as well.
There has been a significant increase of the above diseases in the United
States in the last twenty years. Because of this, Ohio State University
did a study to try and determine what the nutritional factors involved were
and reported the results in late 1985. They did a survey on farms in
Kentucky and Ohio which monitored the incidence of metabolic bone diseases
at each farm. They also analyzed the major and trace minerals, protein,
and carbohydrate levels in the feed and hay. All of the farms fed free
choice trace mineralized iodized salt but no other vitamin/mineral
supplements. The farms with the highest incidence of problems fed oats, or
a mixture of oats and sweet feed, and good quality alfalfa or alfalfa-grass
mixed hay. Farms which fed commercially prepared pellets had fewer
problems. Protein levels had no impact on these diseases, and were, in
fact, higher on those farms with fewer problems. Therefore, lowering
protein levels as has been suggested in the past would seem unlikely to
provide any benefits.
The nutrients which were consistently low were zinc and copper, especially
the latter. Essential nutrients for bone growth which were less often
implicated were phosphorus and calcium. Manganese, vitamin A, and vitamin
D were satisfactory for all of the farms studied.
More research needs to be done on bone growth and nutrition. Other factors
can also play a part, including genetics, exercise and management.
However, certain conclusions seem obvious. Weanlings or yearlings with
metabolic diseases should be supplemented at least with calcium, phosphorus,
zinc and copper. Cutting way back on the feed may stunt the growth and
slow down the development of these diseases, but it won't really treat the
problem. Supplementing the mare during the last trimester of her pregnancy
in areas with higher incidences of these disorders is beneficial. So is
treating young horses before problems develop if that bloodline tends
frequently to suffer from metabolic bone disease.
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Date: Mon, 1 Dec 86 14:45:25 EST
From: Ken Rossen <[email protected]>
Subject: Product News (from Equine Vet. Clinic)
_P_r_o_d_u_c_t _N_e_w_s
_E_q_u_i_c_a_l--This is the feed supplement we have formulated for metabolic
bone disease in young horses. It was formerly called Cal-D-Phos with
Copper. Zinc has now also been added. The response to this product
has been even better than we expected, and it has prevented the
necessity of surgery in some cases and improved the response to surgery
in others.
_E_q_u_i_f_o_r_m--This is a new vitamin/mineral/enzyme/digestive culture
supplement which fills a void in nutritional therapy. It is most
helpful in those cases where horses are going to be heavily stressed
and/or where they tend to develop diarrhea. Old horses or chronic
colickers may also benefit from Equiform. It is the first time all of
these additives have been combined in one economical supplement.
_N_o_v_a_l_s_a_n__O_i_n_t_m_e_n_t--This product has been available for several years
but we have recently begun using more of it. It is a topical wound
salve which contains chlorhexidine in a light blue water soluble
base. Recent studies have indicated that it is even more effective
than nitrofurazone or iodine preparations.
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Date: Mon, 1 Dec 86 15:08:51 EST
From: [email protected] (Ken Rossen)
Subject: Administrivia: Need BITNET volunteer(s), European volunteer
First of all, as mentioned above, Sumo Kindersley has moved to Germany.
Sumo's new address is unido!ifcom!sumo. However, she's been moved to
stop subscribing to the Digest because ifcom is charged for incoming
overseas mail (yes, INCOMING). Consequently, I wonder if someone already
receiving the Digest in Europe wouldn't mind forwarding their copies of
the Digest, as the incoming mail would then not originate from overseas
and thus likely be exempt from further tariff. If you can help out,
please write to Sumo or me.
I also need someone who might be able to act as a "list-exploder" for
BITNET. This needs to be a BITNET person who usually reads mail often
enough to get the Digest in a timely fashion, and for whom it would be
reasonably convenient to forward copies of Digest issues to a number of
(10-20) other BITNET subscribers. Limitations imposed by the BITNET side
on the Internet/BITNET gateway at Wisconsin allow me to accomodate the
current number of BITNET subscribers (10), but probably no more.
Thanks in anticipation.
--
Ken Rossen ...!{ihnp4,harvard,seismo}!ccv.bbn.com!horse-request
____or____ [email protected] -or- [email protected]
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End of Equestrian Digest
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| 77.15 | Equestrian Digest Issue #44 | LDP::BELANGER | Boycott Boycotts! | Mon Jan 05 1987 17:37 | 171 |
| Equestrian Digest Sun 28 Dec 1986 Issue 44
Today's Topics:
Mailing List Changes
Colt Problem
Introduction
EQUUS, January 1987
New Horse
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Date: Sun, 28 Dec 86 22:39:09 EST
From: [email protected] (Equestrian Digest Coordinator)
Subject: Mailing List Changes
Reply-To: [email protected] (Ken Rossen)
Our six new subscribers are:
Jan Burruss <[email protected]> -or- <ihnp4!bbnccv!jhburrus>,
Nancy Feldman <lll-crg!ptsfa!harlie!nancy>,
Eben Haber <[email protected]>,
James Jones <james%[email protected]>,
Pam McGarvey <ucla-cs!cepu!pam>,
Christina Stumpf <[email protected]>
Todd Cooper <[email protected]> and Karen Siegrist <[email protected]>
are off the mailing list, but we have one returned subscriber, resurfaced
at the same company on a different coast:
Wendy Kilguss <[email protected]>.
Finally, Thomas Churchill's address has a site name change:
Thomas Churchill <[email protected]>.
Happy New Year to all of you!
--
Ken Rossen ...!{ihnp4,harvard,seismo}!ccv.bbn.com!horse-request
____or____ [email protected] -or- [email protected]
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Date: Thu, 4 Dec 86 10:15:45 PST
From: [email protected]
Subject: Colt Problem
Hi horse people! I have a problem with my weanling colt. I would
like everyone's opinion of training methods to correct this problem.
My colt has started to nip at me when my back is turned and I am
feeding him and his mother. I have tried hitting him in the nose, but this
seems to make him head shy. Then I tried just saying "NO", which he does
understand, but he tries again later. Now I just punch him on the shoulder,
and say "NO" at the same time, but he comes back later and tries it again.
This is my fist little baby, and my first colt. I have raised two
fillies from 2yrs old, and they never bit, so this is a new problem for me.
My colt, Topaz is an Arabian, and he is too young to geld, so I need a
training method to solve this problem. What do you think?
Ann Heinke
ihnp4!druxm!annh
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Date: 17 Dec 86 11:11:00 EST
From: <[email protected]>
Subject: Introduction
Reply-To: <[email protected]>
I am a mainly dressage oriented rider currently stabled outside of
Boston. In my spare time I'm a student in cmoputer science and physics at
Dartmouth College in Hanover New Hampshire, and when there I pretend to be
graceful competing in the Intercollegiate Horse Show Association, which is all
hunt seat equitation (it is an interesting setup where whatever school is
hosting a show provides all the horses, and whatever one you get is determined
by a random draw. They also don't allow any warmup to keep the horses from
getting too worn out!).
My horse is a 16 year old veteran of eventing (which he did before I got
him), and I've been told that he went at the Intermediate level at one point.
We avoid foxhunting whenever possible as he feels that the proper pace is
650mpm regardless of how fast the other horses are going. Thus we tend to
concentrate on dressage, which my horse was very proficient in at one point,
but will not admit to it now (bend? How do you do that?). Our most recent
accomplishment was achieving the level of Pony Club 'B' this summer. Our
most recent embarrassment was a terrible showing at the King Oak Horse Trials
this fall, where everything that could go wrong (and even some extra things)
did.
I am very pleased that this interest group exits; I do not have enough
opportunity to talk horses with other people.
Eben M Haber
eben%mghccc.harvard.edu
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From: [email protected]
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 86 04:38:43 EST
Subject: EQUUS, January 1987
Here is another magazine table of contents. Statements in [ ] are my
additions. Feel free to send queries if you want to know more about a
particular listed item, I'll try to assist.
Robin Crickman, ...caip!meccts!foundln!robin
EQUUS, (number 111) January 1986
When Actions Speak Louder Than Words. How to pen the lines of communication
between you and your horse.
The Origin of Horse Breeds. Part II. How Equus became domesticated.
"Sounding Out" The Trouble Within. Innovative audio device aids in early
recognition of disorders affecting the equine limbs and lungs.
1987 Stallion Supplement. Spotlighting the best of the breeds.
Surviving Yearling Growing Pains. How to live with (and even love) your
awkward equine "adolescent."
Of Bronze Horses and Cuttin Horses. In the Texas Hill Country, sculptor
and trainer Jim Reno builds lasting Western impressions.
The File, a roundup of news and views that matter to the horse world.
TV News Takes a Big Lick At The SHow-Walker Industry
American Riders Go The Distance For A World-Class Win In Rome
TEA Improves The Identity Of A One-Track Breed
New Products Stimulate Immunity To Viral Infections
Tots-In_Tandem Adds Harmony To Family Rides
Data Banks Catalog Nearly 2,000 Equine Topics
EQUUS Consultants is a monthly feature in which selected experts from across
the country respond to questions raised by readers.
Controlling An Incessant Kicker.
Castration Complication. [Probable hydrocele problem in young mules]
Preventing Lightning-Strike Tragedy. [Horses in pasture killed by
lightning.]
Guidelines For Training A Stallion.
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Date: Sun, 28 Dec 86 22:24:43 EST
From: Karen Rossen <[email protected]>
Subject: New Horse
Now that the whirl of holiday activity has died down, I can finally find
time to tell all you folks in horse digest land about the newest dressage
hopeful in the Rossen barn. Fra Diavolo (Fribble to his friends) joined
us early in December. He is a 4 year old Oldenburg (sorry Carl -- I could
lie and say his breeding was unknown, but then how would I explain the
funny "O" on his butt? ;-), dark bay with three socks and a stripe. Hi
is (unlike my sweet Grendel) the correct size for me -- around 16.0 hands,
and being a bit more sentitive and complicated he is a nice complement to
Grendel (whose major challenges to my equestrian skill center around
his being BIG and SLOW). Because Fribble is sensitive we don't intend
to rush him into competition, but right now I'm just having a wonderful time
getting to know him. (Not so wonderful is the trailering lesson he's due
for next week :-( ...)
I hope all our Digest friends enjoyed a pleasant holiday season and are well
on the way to a prosperous new year.
Karen Rossen
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End of Equestrian Digest
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|
| 77.16 | Equestrian Digest Issue #45 | LDP::BELANGER | Boycott Boycotts! | Mon Jan 12 1987 10:37 | 324 |
| Equestrian Digest Mon 12 Jan 1987 Issue 45
Today's Topics:
Mailing List Changes
Re: New Horse
Re: Equestrian Digest Issue 44 ("Colt Problem")
Ann's Colt Problem, ideas from EQUUS
Practical Horseman, January 1987 issue
Your New Horse - Every Year?
Fribble and Saddles
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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 87 11:07:31 EST
From: [email protected] (Equestrian Digest Coordinator)
Subject: Mailing List Changes
Reply-To: [email protected] (Ken Rossen)
Welcome to the third [calendar] year of the Equestrian Digest!
Ron Morgan has changed his login name, dropping the "1" from "osmigo1",
and Eileen Perry is getting her mail through Evan Dresel while she's
away from Penn State at another assignment.
Ron Morgan <[email protected]> -or- <ihnp4!ut-ngp!osmigo>,
Eileen Perry c/o Evan Dresel <E8D%PSUVM.BITNET>.
There are three new subscribers:
Steve McDonald <[email protected]> -or- <ihnp4!bbnccv!spmcdonald>,
David Roth <cbosgd!ncpe!dar>,
Charlie Shaffer <cbosgd!ncpe!cls>.
Finally, we are now gatewaying the Equestrian Digest to the Andrew
Message system of bulletin boards at Carnegie-Mellon in Pittsburgh,
where it will be available to a large number of readers in the
university community.
Welcome, all of you!
--
Ken Rossen ...!{ihnp4,harvard,seismo}!ccv.bbn.com!horse-request
____or____ [email protected] -or- [email protected]
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Date: Mon, 29 Dec 86 09:50:27 EST
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: New Horse
> time to tell all you folks in horse digest land about the newest dressage
> hopeful in the Rossen barn. Fra Diavolo (Fribble to his friends) joined
> us early in December. He is a 4 year old Oldenburg (sorry Carl -- I could
> lie and say his breeding was unknown, but then how would I explain the
> funny "O" on his butt? ;-)
>
> Karen Rossen
Good luck with the horse. I've never had a problem with people buying
or riding European Warmbloods. Just don't try to claim that the fact of
being a European Warmblood makes your horse a good horse. I believe that
you could have found yourself an American Thoroughbred with as much talent
and potential for much less money. If it would make you feel better, I'd
come and brand some obscure symbol on the TB's butt 8-)
Just as a matter of curiosity, where did you buy the horse? I heard of a
man up north of Chicago who imports and (maybe) breeds Oldenburgs. The
article I read that in made it sound as if this man was the only one in
the country who has Oldenburgs for sale.
Carl Deitrick
ihnp4!ihuxv!cbd
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Date: Tue, 30 Dec 86 00:03:26 CST
From: [email protected] (Ron Morgan)
Subject: Re: Equestrian Digest Issue 44 ("Colt Problem")
Hope everybody had a good Christmas!
Ann Heinke has an interesting problem with her "nipping" colt. She said he
did this while she was feeding the colt and its mother; that might suggest
that he learned this behavior sometime in the past, like "hey, don't forget
me.." Maybe he did that once and somebody actually followed up on it. As we all
know, horses are notoriously good at remembering such things. At any rate, Ann
says that hitting him on the nose tends to make him "head-shy." I can't see
how this would happen, unless Ann is waiting too long to do it. By that, I
mean turning around and facing the colt, making a comment, and THEN slapping
him on the nose. It would be CRUCIAL that she slap him the INSTANT his lips
make contact with her, almost as if it were an electric shock. You could just
stand there and watch him out of the corner of your eye as he got closer, and
when his mouth is about .001 inches away, WHAP!...don't even turn around. That
should do it. Of course, a lot of gentle head-handling under more appropriate
circumstances wouldn't be out of order, either. Let us know how you come out.
Ron Morgan
osmigo, UTexas Computation Center, Austin, Texas 7872
ARPA: [email protected]
UUCP: ihnp4!ut-ngp!osmigo allegra!ut-ngp!osmigo gatech!ut-ngp!osmigo
seismo!ut-sally!ut-ngp!osmigo harvard!ut-sally!ut-ngp!osmigo
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From: [email protected]
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 87 19:43:05 EST
Subject: Ann's Colt Problem, ideas from EQUUS
While this experience is second-hand, it may be useful to Ann Heinke
in dealing with her "colt problem". The January 1987 issue of EQUUS
contains an article by Tracey Forfa called "Surviving Yearling Growing
Pains" which states the following:
Yearling behavior is influenced by a complex mixture of
genetic and hormonal factors, social stresses and pressures
exerted by human expectations. Colts, for example, responding
to hormonal changes, become increasingly aggressive during
their yearling year,....
Colts are particularly "mouthy" at this age and may spend a
great deal of their time nipping people and other horses.
"Mouthing is a colt's way of exploring his environment,"
says Jeanna Fiske, DVM, of the Valley Veterinary Clinic in
College Station, Texas. "This behavior is part of an expanding
social repertoire that in the wild would include biting the
crests of mares' necks to control them in a herd situation.
Simply rapping a colt lightly on the nose only encourages
biting and nipping, because he thinks that you are playing
with him. If you wish to discourage this behavior and you
are normally quiet around your horses, scream and jump at him
when he tries to bite. This deviation from your normal conduct
will convey that you are displeased with the horse for his
behavior.
If the biting persists, Fiske suggests hiding a nail or pin in
the palm of your hand and pricking the horse's nose when he
tries to bite. Always remember to punish the horse immediately,
no longer than three or four seconds, after he misbehaves, or he
will not be able to make the connection between the punishment
and the misdeed.
I'm not sure I would be willing to jump and scream myself, the one stud
colt I knew would probably have reacted more violently than the author
implies. Still, her point that you must be strong about expressing your
displeasure makes sense. Again, I would not like to bloody a horse's nose
with a nail or pin, but my approach of using a shocking mechanism might
seem just as bad an approach.
All the stallions I have encountered are "mouthy", although they are more
likely to lick than to bite at people. Also, the stud colts seem to finally
remember their training as they grow up, so your problem might just be
one that time will cure. The EQUUS article mentioned above also contains
interesting material on nutritional needs of young horses and health problems
which are particular to the young horse. (The cartoons that go with the
story are also a particular delight.) You might want to see if your
local library has it available. Given that this is still January, you
could probably even buy the issue at a local tack shop if you wished.
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From: [email protected]
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 87 05:29:58 EST
Subject: Practical Horseman, January 1987 issue
Here is another magazine table of contents. Statements in [ ] are my
additions. Feel free to send queries if you want to know more about a
particular listed item, I'll try to assist.
Robin Crickman, ...caip!meccts!foundln!robin
Practical Horseman (Volume 15, number 1), January 1987
FEATURES
Showing Your Horse in Hand. Top rider and trainer Bucky Reynolds tells
you how to succeed in hunter breeding competition. International
trainer Gunnar Ostergaard offers winning strategies for dressage
breeding classes.
Checklist: What's Wrong With This Picture? How many poor longeing
practices can you identify?
Horse Art. How To Be A Sensible Collector. The appreciation on your
collection may not make you rich, but you can have a lot of pleasure
without risking the farm.
1987 Breeders Guide [Special separately numbered insert] A comprehensive
advertising reference to the nation's leading sport-horse sires.
Putting Your Horse On A Truck. When it's time to send your horse on a
coss-country journey, don't let goodbye for now become goodbye forever...
Step-By-Step. Anne Kursinski. Jumping Better By Doing Less. [Second in
a series.] Whether you're a novice over fences or an advanced competitor,
this grand prix winner's sensible, proven system will make you a more
effective and confident rider. Lesson two: Controlling the parts.
DEPARTMENTS
Saddle Ways and Bridle Whys. Dressage competitor Carole Grant-Oldford
helps put swing back in a stride, veterinarian Benson Martin explores
sore-foot causes; from New York City stable owner Paul Novogard, advice
on riding in traffic.
Forum Florida thoroughbred and quarter horse breeder Carol Harris Parker,
warmblood breeder Bob Lucas, and American Hanoverian Society president
Hermann Friedlaender discuss the pros and cons of transported semen.
[Predictably, she's opposed and both men are in favor.]
Idea Exchange [Use a disposable, foam paint brush to apply thrush medicine.]
the recent information on the mechanics of laminitis and how it causes
its injury, but useful to read so you can keep from panic.]
Confirmation Clinic with Champ Hough [young sports-horses, a yearling QH
filly, an 18-month-old TB colt and a 5-year-old hanoverian stallion.]
Jumping Clinic with George Morris [regular feature wherein Morris criticizes
riders from photographs they send in]
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From: [email protected]
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 87 05:30:27 EST
Subject: Your New Horse - Every Year?
I thought so. I reached back to the early Digests to see if the facts
were as I remembered and found the following:
Equestrian Digest Tue 17 Dec 1985 Issue 9
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 85 13:50:14 EST
From: Ken Rossen <[email protected]>
Subject: New Arrival
In sort of a flurry of activity, we have bought a new horse....
We're now calling him Grendel.
____________________________________________________________________________
And then we received a happy announcement this week in Issue 44 about
a new member of the Rossen household, Fribble. What I am wondering
is, Do the Rossens make an annual December horse acquisition? Is
December a good horse acquisition month? Will we hear about another
next January? A Rhinelander? A Cleveland Bay? Are you really going
to make us wait a whole year to hear the details when you obviously
have this all planned out? Come on, tell us about next year's horse.
Please, please, pretty please. We read further about the new horse...
...He is a 4 year old Oldenburg (sorry Carl -- I could
lie and say his breeding was unknown, but then how would I explain the
funny "O" on his butt? ;-),...(Not so wonderful is the trailering lesson
he's due for next week :-( ...)
This occasioned considerable speculation in our home about what could
explain that "O" on Fribble if not due to breed. John's best suggestion
is that he must have backed into the end of a truck exhaust pipe when a colt.
That also explains the reluctance to trailer.
Wait, I'll try to be serious. Do hope that Karen is getting her new charge
settled in comfortably. I've missed her wisdom and wit, there are never
enough Karen Rossen comments in the Digest. Sure hope there will be time
for more soon. Finally, thanks to both Ken and Karen for the Digest, we
really do enjoy what we read. May this year and all years bring you only
happy trails.
Robin Crickman, ...caip!meccts!foundln!robin
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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 87 19:18:48 EST
From: Karen Rossen <[email protected]>
Subject: Fribble and Saddles
I see Robin Crickman's memory is long enough to have noticed a certain
seasonal rhythm to my horse purchases. I do enjoy giving really *nice*
Christmas gifts, especially to myself . . . ;-)
On the subject of saddles, I know this discussion took place some time
ago, I hope my comments are still of some use. I ride strictly dressage,
and I'm currently riding in a Fredy Roosli saddle. It is a saddle made
in Switzerland by (naturally enough) Fredy Roosli and his sons. The
saddles are custom made to each rider's measurements, so they must be
ordered some time in advance of when you want them. They are unavailable
in the States, but can be ordered by mail direct from the maker (if after
reading this anyone is interested Ken and I will be happy to supply the
particulars).
The pros of this saddle (as I see them) are as follows: (1) It will give
you a really great fit because it's made to your measure. (2) The seat
helps place you correctly. (3) The materials and workmanship are top
rate (think of Fredy as something of a Swiss Ron Morgan), so the saddle
will really last. (4) I've never had another saddle that fit so many
differently conformed horses so well.
The cons of the saddle (again, as I see them) are: (1) It is a
single-purpose saddle, so if you also jump you'll need another saddle for
jumping. (2) The saddle has a lot of padding in from of the knee, which
normally doesn't bother me, but it does interfere somewhat with the
ability to really dig in with the knee to stay on when a horse is cutting
up.
The saddle's price is closely tied to the exchange rate since it must be
paid for in Swiss francs, but in general the price is comparable to that of
a Kieffer.
Overall, I've been very happy with my saddle, and I would recommend it to
anyone looking for a saddle exclusively for dressage.
Karen Rossen
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| 77.17 | Equestrian Digest Issue #46 | LDP::BELANGER | Boycott Boycotts! | Wed Jan 14 1987 08:07 | 140 |
| Equestrian Digest Tue 13 Jan 1987 Issue 46
Today's Topics:
Short Issue
Re: Karen's new saddle
Urgent message from the EQUITATION NotesFile
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 87 09:56:24 EST
From: [email protected] (Equestrian Digest Coordinator)
Subject: Short Issue
Reply-To: [email protected] (Ken Rossen)
I am sending out this issue a bit early with only a couple articles
because of the time-sensitive information in the warning on feeds below.
Apologies to any DEC readers who are seeing this for the second time.
--
Ken Rossen ...!{ihnp4,harvard,seismo}!ccv.bbn.com!horse-request
____or____ [email protected] -or- [email protected]
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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 87 09:08:02 CST
From: [email protected] (Ron Morgan)
Subject: Re: Karen's new saddle
You mentioned that your new Roosli dressage saddle "helps place you
correctly." As I recall, George Richard Young, author of "The Schooling of
the Western Horse" (my training bible), strongly recommended using a dressage
saddle for training both horse and rider, even if you intended to spend the
rest of your life riding a western saddle. The main reasons were that it
put you in the correct position to send cues to the horse, and taught him
*and* the rider to work in a center-of-gravity position. So many of western
saddlemaking principles are based on tradition, more often than not to the
effect of actually creating an inferior riding situation. "Forward hanging
stirrups," for example, are considered a major hallmark in a "properly made"
western saddle, even though such stirrups actually prevent a well-balanced,
controlled ride. I made a few saddles with the stirrups hang a bit back,
with vertical plugs (so they hung straight down), and some saddle shops
actually refused to carry them because they were "made wrong." The standard
comment was "heck, if you make'em that way, your feet keep getting *under*
you!" Sigh. Same goes for my relatively flat seats: "gawrsh, I cain't lean
back against the cantle and relax!"
At any rate, since I've become a full-time teacher, it's been about 4 years
since I was on a horse. I must say, I often really miss the creak of saddle
leather on a cold morning in the woods, and the smell of fresh hay in the
barn. Horse-request is about all I've got left!
I was just thinking, have we ever thought about getting together in Colorado
or somewhere for a horse-request trail ride? Just a passing thought. Are
there *any* horse-request readers down here in Texas? I mean, after all,
this is cowboy country, you know (sorry, I just *had* to say that (-: ).
Cheers and happy trails,
Ron Morgan
osmigo, UTexas Computation Center, Austin, Texas 78712
ARPA: [email protected]
UUCP: ihnp4!ut-ngp!osmigo allegra!ut-ngp!osmigo gatech!ut-ngp!osmigo
seismo!ut-sally!ut-ngp!osmigo harvard!ut-sally!ut-ngp!osmigo
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Date: Monday, 12 Jan 1987 20:18:30-PST
From: belanger%[email protected] (Roland)
Subject: Urgent message from the EQUITATION NotesFile
Hi Ken,
Attached please find a couple of urgent notes from our
EQUITATION NotesFile. Please pass it on ASAP -- sounds serious.
-Roland
.att
P.S.: The original notes contained personal phone numbers; I
have removed them as a consideration for privacy.
-< - Equitation Notes Conference - >-
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Note 188.0 LEM is an equine killer!!! 2 replies
NEWVAX::AIKEN "I love Crabbet Arabians! " 32 lines 9-JAN-1987 17:55
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URGENT MESSAGE!!!! My vet sent a newsletter to his clients
recommending that those of feeding sweet feed containing Eastern
seaboard corn STOP FEEDING IT. There are increasing numbers of
cases of Equine Leukoencephalomacia (LEM) caused by moldy corn.
There is no cure and mortality is approaching 100%.
The mold cannot be seen, even microscopically. The early symptoms
in the horse are similar to EEE and WEE, even Rabiess, except there
is usually no fever: depression, head pushing, circling,a eventual
blindness, paddling and death.
The problem is a fungus caused by the moisture content in stored
corn. Corn that is flash dried, such as that in Tyzwhiz products,
is apparenttly OK. Southern States grains such as Silver Horse,
Colt Maker and Bonanza are OK; there is a question about Broodmare
Special. Purina feeds are also affected; check the labels.
Three horses have died in Frederick Co., MD, and 2-3 in Carroll
Co. very recently. Most of the deaths have been traced to local
corn put up in local barns; one was traced to a local grain store
that sells prepared feeds.
Whatever you decide to feed, consider NOT feeding Eastern seaboard
corn.
Hope all of our horses stay healthy.
Merrie
-< - Equitation Notes Conference - >-
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Note 188.2 LEM is an equine killer!!! 2 of 3
NEWVAX::AIKEN "I love Crabbet Arabians! " 8 lines 12-JAN-1987 17:26
-< more on corn >-
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I wanted to clear up information about the corn. It's not JUST
that the corn was grown on the East Coast...It's any corn damaged
by a very dry growing season and very wet harvest, such as that
grown on the east coast.
The toxins created when the moldy corn is ingested are the real
killers. They affect the blood vessels in the brain and are evident
through necropsy -- a little late for the horse.
+ Posted: 12-JAN-1987 23:19 ;
+ To: RHEA::DECWRL::"[email protected]" ;
+ EVEPlus VAXMail Utility (T01-009) ;
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| 77.18 | Equestrian Digest Issue #47 | LDP::BELANGER | Boycott Boycotts! | Tue Feb 17 1987 21:34 | 264 |
| Equestrian Digest Wed 4 Feb 1987 Issue 47
Today's Topics:
New Subscribers
introduction
PRACTICAL HORSEMAN, February 1987
EQUUS, February 1987.
LEM follow-up item
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Date: Wed, 4 Feb 87 11:23:57 EST
From: [email protected] (Equestrian Digest Coordinator)
Subject: New Subscribers
Reply-To: [email protected] (Ken Rossen)
New subscribers are:
Gulcin Altan <[email protected]> -or- <[email protected]>,
Margaret Boos <[email protected]>,
Ian Hewitt <[email protected]> -or- <[email protected]>,
Karen Jacks <decvax!mcnc!ecsvax!kej>,
Deborah Scherrer <decvax!mtxinu!scherrer>
That makes 111, in case anyone's counting. Welcome!
--
Ken Rossen ...!{ihnp4,harvard,seismo}!ccv.bbn.com!horse-request
____or____ [email protected] -or- [email protected]
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Date: Fri 23 Jan 87 15:24:59-EST
From: [email protected]
Subject: introduction
I'm Steve McDonald and I am new to the Equine Digest, BBN Labs and
Boston. My wife, Cindy Soloway, and I own four horses. We have a pair of
semi-retired old geldings, a seven year old appaloosa mare and an 18 month
appaloosa philly. Anymore, I just ride trails but Cindy is into dressage.
She has taken lessons for a couple of years, trained some horses and given
some lessons. She is still in Baltimore with the horses until she gets a
job up here and I find us a place to live that will also accommodate our
horses, cats and dogs.
I read Carl's article about how much fun a horse vacation is and I
couldn't agree more. In August of 1986 Cindy and I took a five day pack
trip in the Mount Zirkel Wilderness Area in Colorado (its closest to
Steamboat Springs). We went out with Del's Triangle Three Ranch and there
were only three of us on the trip - our guide Ray (Del's brother), Cindy
and me. We each had an Arab and a pack mule carried our sleeping bags,
clothes and food. This ranch has three camps in the wilderness area. The
camp we stayed at was about a fourteen miles from where we had to leave the
horse trailer. It consisted of two tents on the continental devide. Each
day Ray would cook breakfast and then we would mount up and ride off in a
different direction. At lunch we would stop and eat a sandwich or two and
give the horses a little rest. Then we would ride somemore, finally get back
to the camp and Ray would cook dinner. After that we would sit around and
watch the mountains change colors as the sun set. Once it got dark we would
go to sleep and when we woke up there would be frost on the group.
Needless to say we had a great time. The area has lots of beautiful
ponds. We were so far above sea level that there were only pine trees and
sometimes we rode high enough to get above the tree line. At the Triangle
Three Ranch they rarely take out more than six people in a group and they try
to avoid putting two small groups together to form a larger group.
If you are interested in horse related vacations I suggest finding a
copy of the book "Adventure Vacations". It gives the address and phone numbers
of places that will take you on pack trips, let you work on their ranch, offer
wagon train trips, etc.
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From: [email protected]
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 87 02:19:35 EST
Subject: PRACTICAL HORSEMAN, February 1987
Here is another magazine table of contents. Statements in [ ] are my
additions. Feel free to send queries if you want to know more about a
particular listed item, I'll try to assist.
Robin Crickman, ...caip!meccts!foundln!robin
Practical Horseman (Volume 15, number 2), February 1987
FEATURES
Getting to Indoors. Harrisburg, Washington, New York...for most, a distant
goal. But amateur rider Phoebe Loughrey turned her dream into a plan and
her plan into action.
Stable Skills. How to Treat Your Horse for Thrush. This quick and easy
procedure will master a severe case of thrush without using strong remedies
that can burn your horse's heels.
Horse Health Update 1987. Progress Rreport. Harvested from the last twelve
months of equine research, any one of these new findings could make a difference to the well-being of your horse. [Nutrition, leg braces, foot trauma,
breeding, respiratory infection, salmonella, back problems, worm control,
colic, potomac horse fever, laminitis, and foal nutrition.]
Step-By-Step. Anne Kurinski. Jumping Better by Doing Less [Part 3] Whether
you're a novice over fences or anadvanced competitor, this grand prix winner's
sensible, proven system will make you a more effective and confident rider.
Lesson three: Riding Simple Lines.
Checklist: What's Wrong With This Picture? How many poor longeing
practices can you identify?
DEPARTMENTS
Saddle Ways and Bridle Whys. Dressage trainer Pam Goodrich counsels a case
of heavy hands; from trainer Tim Beesley, tips for correcting a bad habit
at halter [playing with the lead rope]; prognosis forr a horse that stumbles,
from veterinarian Tom Rothwell.
Forum. Three top riders offer differing views on the role of your weight
as an aid.
Idea Exchange [How to wash a pair of string and leather gloves.]
Confirmation Clinic with Champ Hough [male TB's]
Jumping Clinic with George Morris [regular feature wherein Morris criticizes
riders from photographs they send in]
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From: [email protected]
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 87 02:18:05 EST
Subject: EQUUS, February 1987.
Here is another magazine table of contents. Statements in [ ] are my
additions. Feel free to send queries if you want to know more about a
particular listed item, I'll try to assist.
Robin Crickman, ...caip!meccts!foundln!robin
EQUUS, (number 112) February 1986
Now Hear This...Your Mare Is Giving Birth! A guide to goods that sound
the alarm when Mother Nature comes calling with a delivery.
Seat Dynamics. Exploring the purposes, pros and cons of hunt, stock and
saddle riding.
A Few Colors That Can Kill. (And a lot of look-alikes that don't.)
Breaking Cribbing's Addictive Hold. In this exclusive report, discover
how researchers are unlocking the cause of this complex equine vice.
The Rugged, Racy Finnhorse. In a age of modernization, Finland's versatile
homebreds earn respect as well as their keep.
A "Colic" of a Different Sort. How one woman's knowledge of her horse's
habits saved his life.
The File, a roundup of news and views that matter to the horse world.
Are Hospitals Hazardous To Our Horses' Health? [Yes]
ARICP Sets Standards for Excellence in Teaching
Highway Horror Propels Humane Groups Into Action
U.S. Poitou Population Quadruples
Horse Horoscopes Rate Ability on Stellar Scale
EQUUS Consultants is a monthly feature in which selected experts from across
the country respond to questions raised by readers.
Will He Ever Race Again? [TB colt with sesamoid bone fracture.
The general respons is no, the horse probably won't ever be fit
for racing again.]
Putting A Halt to a Flighty Habit. [How to get an excitable 3-gaited
horse to come back to a flat walk after trotting.]
In Support of Foul-Weather Footwear. [Using studs on shoes for
mud and icy conditions when jumping.]
Snow Blindness: Winter Weakness. [Reminder that it takes a horse's
eyes several minutes to adjust to a dimly lit barn after a snow
bright pasture.
Industry Watch
Be On the Lookout for Moldy Corn. [Same problem we already heard
about.]
Opryland Plays Host to AAEP [American Association of Equine Practioners] Convention.
Kudos to Kilby [Writer Emily Kilby wins award for article "Zeroing
in on Colic" published in number 100 of EQUUS.]
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Date: Tuesday, 3 Feb 1987 10:30:16-PST
From: belanger%[email protected] (Roland -- 297-7311 -- LDP Engineering)
Subject: LEM follow-up item
-< - Equitation Notes Conference - >-
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Note 188.6 LEM is an equine killer!!! 6 of 6
NEWVAX::AIKEN "I love Crabbet Arabians!" 51 lines 30-JAN-1987 18:36
-< Here's the LEM letter from the vet >-
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After several requests for the letter sent me by my vet RE the corn
problem, I've decided to print it in notes for gen. dist.
"The proper name for this disease is Equine leukoencephalomalacia
(LEM). It was first described in the U.S. in 1850 and has since
been associated with several cases.
"The specific toxic fungus is Fusarium monoliforme. There are usually
more cases seen after a harvest of a damaged corn crop as was the
case last summer.
"Clinical signs are first seen 2-24 weeks (average 3 weeks) after
the initial ingestion of moldy corn. In general, the signs are
referable to the central nervous system (the brain) and include
depression, unresponsiveness, head-pressing, circling, aimless
wandering, blindness and occasionally unprovoked excitement. Finally
you have recumbency, paddling, coma and death. These horses are
usually not feverish which helps distinguish this disease from the
clinically similar viral encephalomyelitides (EEE,WEE). Rabies,
brain tumors and abscesses can cause similar signs, but are easily
diagnosed during a post-mortem. The lesions seen at necropsy consists
of areas of liquefaction and death in the brain.
"Treatment is only supportive and the mortality rate approaches
100%.
"Unfortunately, it is very difficult to identify the mold in the
feed by simple visual examination. This fact coupled with the long
incubation period makes it very difficult to eliminate the toxic
feed and prevent future cases.
"Until recently, all cases in this (Maryland) area have been confined
to farms that are feeding home stored corn. In one particular case,
in which (the vet) was the attending veterinarian, the horse was
fed corn purchased from a local supplier of feeds.
"At present, my recommendation would be to feed only those feeds
that avoid locally (Eastern seaboard) grown corn as its energy source
or to feed mixes that avoid corn altogether."
In a later discussion with this vet, he said there was no test for
the fungus that was reliable. By the time the toxins are present,
it's probably too late for the horses that have been fed the grain.
Southern States has taken the corn OUT of their sweet feed mixtures,
except for Silver Stirrup. They are keeping the same protein levels
by using other grains. I assume that Purina is doing the same.
Personally, I will not feed any corn products until my vet has
proof that it's OK -- probably after this year's corn crop has been
processed. My horses won't die without the corn; they could die
with it.
+ Posted: 03-FEB-1987 13:31 ;
+ To: RHEA::DECWRL::"[email protected]" ;
+ EVEPlus VAXMail Utility (T01-010) ;
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| 77.19 | Equestrian Digest Issue #48 | LDP::BELANGER | Boycott Boycotts! | Tue Feb 17 1987 21:36 | 219 |
| Equestrian Digest Thu 12 Feb 1987 Issue 48
Today's Topics:
Mailing List
Horse Vacations
Hoof bonding
Re: Equestrian Digest
greetings
Another idea for the biting colt problem
Please add me to your list.
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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 87 11:19:31 EST
From: [email protected] (Equestrian Digest Coordinator)
Subject: Mailing List
Reply-To: [email protected] (Ken Rossen)
We've lost Brent Chapman <[email protected]> and Jon and Jan Ayers
<[email protected]> but we have one new subscriber:
Charlie Garthwaite <[email protected]>
-or- <uw-beaver!uw-june!crg>
--
Ken Rossen ...!{ihnp4,harvard,seismo}!ccv.bbn.com!horse-request
____or____ [email protected] -or- [email protected]
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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 87 23:09:12 EST
From: [email protected]
Subject: Horse Vacations
Ken/Karen,
Summer is coming up quickly and with it comes vacation. I'd like to
take my vacation someplace where I can learn some more about horses. I'd like
to learn some of the basic 'stable' skills like handling a young horse, the
basics of horse medicine and physiology, conformation and how it affects
performance, the technical aspects of shoeing, etc (I don't need to learn
how to muck a stall - I can do that with the best of them). I have about
ten days I can spend some place doing this. Do you have any ideas or
suggestions about where I can go to learn these things?
Carl Deitrick
ihnp4!ihuxv!cbd
P.S. For 111 subscribers to this digest, there's damned little discussion/
argument/questioning/dialogue/invective. What the hell are all you
subscribers riding? Hobby horses? LET'S HAVE SOME DISCUSSION, PEOPLE!!!
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Date: 6 Feb 87 20:18:00 EST
From: <[email protected]>
Subject: Hoof bonding
Reply-To: <[email protected]>
Greeting horse people of the computer net!
Does anyone out there have personal experience with hoof bonding? It sounds
like a good idea, but one that might need to have bugs worked out. What have
you heard?
Eben M Haber
([email protected])
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Date: Mon, 9 Feb 87 10:29:21 cst
From: ayers%[email protected] (Jon Ayers)
Subject: Re: Equestrian Digest
HI, Folks
Thought I'd write a reply to Ron down in Austin...Yep, you got
a horse buddy in Texas. My husband accesses the Equestrian Digest
from his office in Dallas, and we signed on ...is it really three
years ago this got started? I promised then to shut up and listen
to the experienced horse people, since I don't own one and never have.
I just love 'em and want to learn. However, since it looks like we'll
no longer be able to access the "net" at this address, I thought I'd
take a moment to say goodbye to everyone. Hope I can get a chance to
contact you again sometime in the future. Thanks a bunch for sharing
all this with us -- you'll have to drop us from the mailing list now,
however.
But, before I go, I might as well catch up now on comments. I'm getting a
lot out of the saddle discussion...always thought I was a nerd for adjusting
the stirrups on the Western saddle as high as they'd go. Felt completely out
of control otherwise--thrown backwards. You can't absorb the shock of a
Quarter Horse trot when you're extended. I've therefore always avoided riding
English (please note-down here novices believe there are two ways to ride
that are nebulously referred to as Western and English, the difference
being that in English, you're on a taller, faster horse that wears no
saddle horn to hang onto.) Hey, it's frightening to think of if you're
used to the balance of a Western saddle. But IF IT'S TRUE, if the stirrups
are under me instead of in front, then I'll sign up for lessons pronto.
Riding may become an enjoyable pastime. They're marketing what is called
an Australian saddle that looks like a logical working, all-purpose
saddle--what about those?
Can't stand it...I have a some thoughts on the colt-biting problem. Now
I don't have much practical experience on horses, but I do train dogs,
and I think some of the philosophy can be transferred. If you hit the horse
before he has actually sunk his teeth in, true, you'll never get bitten,
but then, you'll never get nuzzled, either. If you can pad yourself with
a snowsuit or something, let him bite, then wheel around, and these people
say slap, then slap. Now them as is in dogs at this point will shout the
word "out" as ferociously as we can, because this word phonetically reproduces
the sound that a mother dog makes when she's disciplining her pups. It
speaks to the dog on a real basic level. Find a word or sound that will
do the same for your colt. Okay, you've been bit, you've wheeled, slapped,
and whinnied. Now immediately invite him to bite you again. It's not long
before the dog/horse/child makes a decision, and if he decides right, you
praise him to the skies. You get a nicely socialized animal, and for
occasional reprimands, you can just use the word-sound as a reminder.
I'll be in Austin the weekend of March 7-8 at the dog show. If you can,
look for me with the Rhodesian Ridgebacks--I'd love to try out your saddle
invention. Y'all take care and thanks for all the entertainment.
Happy trails,
Jan Ayers
P. O. Box 1879
Greenville, TX 75401
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Date: Mon, 9 Feb 87 11:07:24 PST
From: [email protected] (Deborah Scherrer)
Subject: greetings
Ken, what follows is my introductory bio, which I mailed out early last
week but which just got returned to me. Please ignore if you've already
received a copy.
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Hello folks, I'm new to your mailing list and was asked to introduce
myself. My name is Deborah Scherrer, I'm a Computer Scientist with
mt Xinu in Berkeley, CA, and, strangely enough, I have horses. However,
unlike most of you, I was city-bred and virtually never got close enough to
touch a real horse (did step in some manure once) until I was out of college
and realized my mother couldn't say no anymore.
At any rate, since then I've had an old gentleman gelding for learning,
a registered Morgan for beauty, a killer Thoroughbred imported from Chile
for elegance and style, and finally an American Hanoverian for training
and loving (and safety and sanity). The wonderful grade gelding eventually
died of old age, the Thoroughbred was appropriately sent up the river,
the Morgan is still with us at 23, and the Hanoverian, whom I purchased
as a baby, is now 4.
I also have a Shetland mare which I put to a little jogging cart.
For those of you that haven't tried driving, it is truly quite fun.
(Never had a person in the cart who didn't giggle.)
Along with driving, dressage is my primary love (hacking in the hills lost
its appeal after too-numerous-to-mention murder attempts on the part of
my Thoroughbred), and I have my very own sand arena. I think I picked
dressage because of its emphasis on the art and beauty of the sport, its
insistence on respect for the horse with communication as the primary means
of training, and its depth of understanding and technique and goals (geez,
that sounds lofty, doesn't it). I'm also one of those wonderfully-talentless
riders who tries to make up for it with enthusiasm and hard work.
Nice to meet you all.
Debbie
{ucbvax,decvax,usenix}!mtxinu!scherrer
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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 87 10:08:51 PST
From: [email protected] (Deborah Scherrer)
Subject: Another idea for the biting colt problem
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Here's yet another suggestion to Ann concerning her biting colt
problem: I tried the old nail-in-the-hand bit, but managed to
punch myself more than the horse; the EQUUS suggestion of
becoming visibly angry never worked well for me either, for
any problem. Seems that punishment is often just as much a reward
for behavior as sweet talk. After all, horses aren't without humor,
and I can just see a prankish little yearling colt snickering with
glee at being able to make his human dance about and scream in response
to a little nip. I've always preferred a simple, non-nonsense, cause
and effect situation where no adrenalin is brought up. So what I tried
on my killer thoroughbred stallion (whose greatest pleasure in the
world next to smashing you against the stall door was biting) was a squirt
gun full of hot sauce (tabasco, Louisiana, name your favoriate flavor)
aimed right in the mouth. You gotta be fast and nonchalant, and always
have the squirt gun handy. But otherwise it's relatively painless.
However, the only REAL solution is to remove those 2 little glands that
produce that nasty ol' testosterone.
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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 87 16:34:02 PST
From: [email protected] (Charlie Garthwaite)
Return-Path: <crg>
Subject: Please add me to your list.
My wife is a dressage rider, competitor, trainer,
and riding instructor. I do video taping, etc. and
have a brood-mare. We are in a partnership standing
PATRICK, a WPN "A" approved Dutch Warmblood stallion.
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| 77.20 | Equestrian Digest Issue #49 | LDP::BELANGER | Boycott Boycotts! | Mon Feb 23 1987 12:49 | 285 |
| Equestrian Digest Fri 20 Feb 1987 Issue 49
Today's Topics:
Mailing List
A Horse Story
More on Saddles
Midwest Horse Fair
Article on "how to sit on a horse"
EQUUS, March 1987
Dressage and Western Riding (Attack of the Semantics Police)
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 87 20:17:41 EST
From: [email protected] (Equestrian Digest Coordinator)
Subject: Mailing List
Reply-To: [email protected] (Ken Rossen)
There has been one address change since last issue -- Kathy Smith is now
at MIT Lincoln Labs:
Kathy Smith <[email protected]> -or- <[email protected]>
--
Ken Rossen ...!{ihnp4,harvard,seismo}!ccv.bbn.com!horse-request
____or____ [email protected] -or- [email protected]
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From: [email protected]
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 87 05:46:18 EST
Subject: A Horse Story
I heard a horse story from a saddle shop owner recently and thought
some of you might also enjoy the tale.
Seems there was a little girl who wanted a horse. Her parents said
no, they couldn't afford one. Horses cost too much to buy and board.
The girl didn't get her horse. As such things happen, the girl grew
up, married and had a family.
One day the woman decided that she still would like to have a horse.
So she looked into the cost of buying and boarding a horse and found
it wasn't impossible. She talked it over with her husband and he
agreed that they could afford a horse.
So the woman finally got the horse she wanted on her very next
birthday--her 70th birthday. The couple, now in their 80s, still have
the horse. The man doesn't ride since he had a stroke, but he enjoys
grooming the horse and taking it out for walks. The woman is still
riding the horse she waited for so long.
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 87 07:50:43 EST
From: [email protected]
Subject: More on Saddles
> But, before I go, I might as well catch up now on comments. I'm getting a
> lot out of the saddle discussion...always thought I was a nerd for adjusting
> the stirrups on the Western saddle as high as they'd go. Felt completely out
> of control otherwise--thrown backwards. You can't absorb the shock of a
> Quarter Horse trot when you're extended. I've therefore always avoided riding
> English (please note-down here novices believe there are two ways to ride
> that are nebulously referred to as Western and English, the difference
> being that in English, you're on a taller, faster horse that wears no
> saddle horn to hang onto.) Hey, it's frightening to think of if you're
> used to the balance of a Western saddle. But IF IT'S TRUE, if the stirrups
> are under me instead of in front, then I'll sign up for lessons pronto.
> Riding may become an enjoyable pastime. They're marketing what is called
> an Australian saddle that looks like a logical working, all-purpose
> saddle--what about those?
>
> Jan Ayers
> P. O. Box 1879
> Greenville, TX 75401
>
I ride 'English' (dressage and eventing), but have ridden a Western saddle
on a couple of horse vacations to ranches in Wyoming/Montana. *Good*
Western riding and dressage are really the same thing. A cowboy I saw
out on the range one time working a herd of cattle would have made any
second-level-dressage rider envious.
The saddle really has nothing to do with being in control or feeling
safe. Your balance keeps you on the horse. If you have to hang onto the
saddle horn to stay aboard, you don't yet have your balance. The woman who
helped me find my balance on a horse gave me longe lessons until I was
thoroughly sick of riding in circles at the end of this line. However, I
was balanced and had a good feel for how a well-balanced rider affected the
way a horse moves.
In a longe lesson, the horse is completely tacked up but has the reins
looped up over his neck. The rider sits on the horse with his feet out of
the stirrups and without touching the reins. The instructor has the
horse on a long line and makes the horse move in a circle. She carries
a longe whip to remind the horse to keep moving. The object is to let the
student concentrate on position and balance. You can do it at all gaits.
The canter can get real exciting.
Longe lessons help you find the proper position on a horse. That proper
position is sitting up with your head, shoulders, hips, and heels in a
straight line. Your legs are as far down as you can stretch them.
An 'English' horse does not inherently go faster than a 'Western' horse
- the rider controls the speed, BUT NOT BY PULLING ON THE REINS! The
basis and goal of dressage is to get the horse moving from behind, which
distributes his weight better. That makes the horse more responsive to
influences from the rider. How all that works really can't be described
in words. You have to ride, ride, ride, and then ride some more.
On one of my trips out West, I met a man who had been a cowboy in Australia.
If an Australian stock saddle can help you ride like this guy, by all means
get one. In general, if the saddle fits the horse, fits you (prevents you
from swimming), and helps put you and keep you in the proper position, try it.
The name doesn't matter. Good luck.
Carl Deitrick
ihnp4!ihuxv!cbd
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From: [email protected]
Subject: Midwest Horse Fair
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1987 18:49 CST
HI.....Horse lovers......
I thought people near the Wisconsin area might be interested in the
Midwest Horse Fair at the Dane County Coliseum near Madison Wi.
Dates and times are Saturday April 11, 9am to 7:30pm and Sunday April 12,
9am to 6pm. Gate admission is $3.50 for adults and $1.50 for childres 11
and under. There is also a special weekend discount ticket. The weekend ticket
is good for admission both days of the event at the cost of $6.00 for adults
and $2.50 for children 11 and under.
Now,,,,, some information about the fair.
There will be over 200 champion horses and ponies representing 30 different
breed associations providing demonstrations ranging from dressage to drill
teams, reining to pleasure riding, and driving to jumping. The stable areas
will be decorated with hospitality areas and staffed with horsepeople eager
to answer questions. There is a daily "Parade of Breeds" to showcase each
breed.
50 top Midwestern stallions will be stabled on "Stallion Avenue", a specially
decorated barn complete with presentation ring.
There will also be retailers from across the U.S. displaying riding apparel,
barn systems, artwork, tack, trailers, nutritional supplements and educational
opportunities. A new feature this year is the "Trailer Correl", a sales lot
for new and used horse trailers.
I have several friends going from my Illinois Pinto Club to represent the
Pinto Horse Breed. I am hoping to go myself but I won't be taking my own
horse this year. I haven't been to this fair before but what I have heard
from others is that it is GREAT.
Pam Benson ihlpa!pkb
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Resent-Date: 19 Feb 87 08:27:21 EST (Thu)
Resent-From: Joel B Levin <[email protected]>
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 87 14:30:32 EST
From: Bernie Cosell <[email protected]>
Subject: Article on "how to sit on a horse"
The Jan/Feb issue of the American Scientist (which the BBN LIbrary has jus
circulated to me) has a neat article on "How to Sit on a Horse"
"Analysis of horsemanship begins with Xenophon (c 430-355BC), who is
largely repeating the otherwise unrecorded ideas of Simon of Athins:
"I do not approve of a seat which is as though a man were on a chair,
but rather, as though he were standing upright with his legs apars
... [To] get a better grip with his thighs on the horse ... foot and
let from the knee down should hang loosely ... body above the hips
as supple as possible". Discussions have continued int he same vein
ever since"
"One has only to sit on a horse for a few moments at a steady walk to
observe that various bits of it move in different directions"
It is a pretty fun article. I'll probably have this issue for another
day or so, so if you sndmsg to me fast I can pull you a Xerox if you're
interested.
/Bernie
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From: [email protected]
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 87 05:43:03 EST
Subject: EQUUS, March 1987
Here is another magazine table of contents. Statements in [ ] are my
additions. Feel free to send queries if you want to know more about a
particular listed item, I'll try to assist.
Robin Crickman, ...caip!meccts!foundln!robin
EQUUS, (number 113) March 1987
The Coming of Age. Exploring the biological factors that eventually transform
every foal into an old horse.
Should Your Horse Have Surgery? Ask yourself some soul-searching questions
before you give the go-ahead for a surgical procedure, and you'll both
be better for it. [Having watched a good friend try to deal with emergency
surgery for a ruptured esophagus in her horse, I'd say this article is
very useful in such troubled times to a horse owner.]
The Origin of Horse Breeds, Part III. What "flavor" is your horse?
Answering The Call of The Open Road. How to select the trailer that's
right for you from the market's latest offerings.
The Revitalized Washington, DC International. How one high stakes, fall
turf event is taking on all challengers.
Toby's Temporary Tragedy. Mysterious blindness accompanies puncture wound.
The File, a roundup of news and views that matter to the horse world.
Horses caught in cloudy controversy over effects of acid rain.
Florida study devaluates X-ray's role in navicular diagnosis.
Independent horsemen still singing the insurance blues.
Racehorse records reveal prime times to breed or buy.
EQUUS Consultants is a monthly feature in which selected experts from across
the country respond to questions raised by readers.
Why does he think he's a stallion? [Studdy geldings]
DMSO: the "helping" chemical.
Few treatment options for brucellosis.
Industry Watch
Zweig Fund supports Cornell projects [$385,000 for equine research]
Safety clinics offer certification [through Horsemanship Safety Assn]
Mules make the grade [US Dressage Federation permits mules to compete]
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 87 20:03:49 EST
From: Karen Rossen <[email protected]>
Subject: Dressage and Western Riding (Attack of the Semantics Police)
I've been really enjoying the various discussion on saddles, types of
riding, western saddles, etc. I do think, however, that we should be
careful with our semantics here. Someone mentioned good Western riding as
being the same thing as dressage. First of all, the term "Western" riding
covers an awful lot of turf. Just as in saying "good English riding" I
might be talking about saddle seat, or hunt seat, or dressage, in Western,
I might be talking about stock seat equitation, reining, or barrel racing.
In all of these examples, although the basic principles might be the same,
the individual seats are quite distinct. Secondly, I think we should make
a distinction, when talking about dressage, as to whether we are discussing
a more general training principle or the art form of competitive dressage.
People often say dressage is common to all riding endeavors when what they
mean is that what everybody wants is for their horse to be flowing forward,
relaxed, and balanced under the rider. This is fine as far as it goes, but
must be kept distinct from the idea of dressage in which the horse and
rider are engaged in a training partnership, the eventual goal of which is
to perform at the FEI levels. I can assure you that no one who has trained
a horse to Intermediare II is in the least jealous of a cowboy on a range
pony.
Furthermore, some of the things a working cow horse learns in the process
of "having a handle put on" are downright counterproductive to classical
dressage, such as a lateral rigidity in the head and neck and a tendency to
engage the hocks by dropping the hindquarters DOWN rather than by
lightening the forehand (a subtle difference, but a telling one). Please
understand that by this I have no intention of denigrating Western horses.
I've sat on some good reiners and was impressed as hell. Rather, I am
trying to say that when you enter the realm of intense pursuit of a
specific goal of perfection, you are not likely to see too many cases of
pure dual evolution.
The top reiner at the Worlds and the best Grand Prix horse in the country
may have some similarities, but it would be foolish to suggest that they
could, or would want to, change jobs.
Karen Rossen
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|
| 77.21 | Equestrian Digest Issue #50 | LDP::BELANGER | Boycott Boycotts! | Fri Mar 13 1987 08:00 | 172 |
| Equestrian Digest Tue 10 Mar 1987 Issue 50
Today's Topics:
New Suscribers
New mailing address
Unusual winter weather and horses
Practical Horseman, March 1987
Eastern Horse World
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Date: Tue, 10 Mar 87 11:08:08 EST
From: [email protected] (Equestrian Digest Coordinator)
Subject: New Suscribers
Reply-To: [email protected] (Ken Rossen)
The newest Equestrian Digest subscribers are:
Cheryl Brewer <[email protected]>,
Bob Myers <[email protected]>,
James Steiner <[email protected]>
--
Ken Rossen ...!{ihnp4,harvard,seismo}!ccv.bbn.com!horse-request
____or____ [email protected] -or- [email protected]
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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 87 09:02:12 est
From: Laura D. Bagnall <[email protected]>
Subject: New mailing address
One more address change. I've just left BBN to become a graduate
student at MIT. My new address is
[email protected] (or [email protected] for machines with ancient
host tables, BBNG being one of them)
In response to a comment made by Carl Deitrick in a recent issue, some
of the readers on this list (well, I suppose I shouldn't speak for other
readers, but it's true for me) don't actually have horses, but perhaps
have had them in the past and/or are interested in becoming involved
again with horses in the future. I promise that if I reach the point
where I have the time and resources to start riding again, I will
start making contributions to this mailing list.
Laura Bagnall
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From: [email protected]
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 87 15:42:36 EST
Subject: Unusual winter weather and horses
It has been an unusually warm winter here near Lake Wobegon (i.e.
Minnesota) and this seems to be having an effect on the horses. My
gelding Imp has started to lose his winter coat. He has also
developed slight cracks in his hooves from dryness. Most winters we
would have at least some snow on the ground at this time of year.
John's gelding Toncho is getting to be a handful to ride in the last
week. He wants to keep watch over his mares rather than go for a ride.
In fact, all the horses where we board are feeling very frisky. They
either are running around the pasture like yearlings or snoozing and
sunbathing.
I am beginning to wonder how the usually warm winter will affect the
horses as the winter ends and spring comes on. Does anyone recollect
how horses are affected by milder than average midwest winters? And I
would also be interested in hearing how the unusually severe winter
that has hit the East has impacted the horsefolks and equines there.
In fact, any reports on how the weather of the last few months has
affected your horses would be interesting.
Robin Crickman, Minneapolis, Mn
...caip!meccts!foundln!robin
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From: [email protected]
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 87 03:42:33 EST
Subject: Practical Horseman, March 1987
Here is another magazine table of contents. Statements in [ ] are my
additions. Feel free to send queries if you want to know more about a
particular listed item, I'll try to assist.
Robin Crickman, ...caip!meccts!foundln!robin
Practical Horseman (Volume 15, number 3), March 1987
FEATURES
Christina Schlusemeyer: Coaching Scott. From "Who is that boy?" to Maclay
win, the successful trainer describes the program that launched a leading
young rider. Part One: Promoting an Unknown.
How To Get A Riding Education On A Budget. Your finances may be limited,
your area may be without good instructors, but you can still provide
yourself with top-quality training in a well-rounded program costing
$200 a month or less.
Hard-Luck Horse. When Jane McLoud brought the injured three-year-old home,
she thought she knew the worst...but Sharley's troubles were only just
beginning.
Checklist. Tools For Tack Cleaning. How to choose the products best suited
to the job at hand.[Disappointing, no evaluation of relative merits of
particular products, just a description of the sort of things to use.]
Step-By-Step. Anne Kursinski. Jumping Better By Doing Less. [Fourth in
a series.] Whether you're a novice over fences or an advanced competitor,
this grand prix winner's sensible, proven system will make you a more
effective and confident rider. Lesson four: Bending Lines.
DEPARTMENTS
Saddle Ways and Bridle Whys. Three-day rider Peter Green prescribes a
remedy for starting-box nerves; veterinarian Midge Leitch on how to
prevent a repeat colic attack, advice from sports-medicine expert
Joe Gleck on coping with lower-back pain.
Forum: You're judging and a competitor enters the ring; what contributes
to your first impression?
Idea Exchange [Constructing a ribbon rack of 2x2 and lathe.]
Confirmation Clinic with Champ Hough [2 TB's and an Anglo-Arab]
Jumping Clinic with George Morris [regular feature wherein Morris criticizes
riders from photographs they send in]
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Date: Tue, 10 Mar 87 11:13:05 EST
From: Ken Rossen <[email protected]>
Subject: Eastern Horse World
Do any of you receive a publication called "Eastern Horse World?"
I don't, but word has it that Fribble (formally, "Fra Diavolo"), the new
gelding Karen mentioned having acquired in an Equestrian Digest article
last December, is pictured in the March issue. So if any of you have a
copy of this rag and would like to see what Fribble looks like, find the
Chestnut Lawn Farm ad. Apparently they ran pictures of six horses they
sold recently, and Frib is pictured beside Karen's name and his old
moniker, "Frenetico."
I'm waiting for the publisher to send us a copy ... I hope it's a good
picture!
Grendel update: the big little boy we had for just over a year is at
(or en route to) his new home in Texas. His new owner is a man, a bit
more Grendel's size, who wanted a BIG horse. Yep, that's what he got
late to mature) but we were always scared to find how much, and we used
to insist firmly that he was 17.0h, tongue held nervously in cheek.
Well, now that the big darling has a new home we can reveal that he
sticked out at 17.3h the day he arrived in Virginia on trial. My, won't
he be a sight among all the Texas Quarterhorses!
--
Ken Rossen ...!{ihnp4,harvard,seismo}!bbnccv!krossen
____or____ [email protected] -or- [email protected]
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| 77.22 | Equestrian Digest Issue #51 | LDP::BELANGER | Boycott Boycotts! | Thu Apr 02 1987 09:28 | 329 |
| Equestrian Digest Wed 1 Apr 1987 Issue 51
Today's Topics:
Subscribers
looking for instructor recommendations
Horseless readers can contribute here!
Equus, April 1987
Winter Update
Congratulations and Article Pointers (Re: Hoof Bonding)
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Date: Wed, 1 Apr 87 07:16:43 EST
From: [email protected] (Equestrian Digest Coordinator)
Subject: Subscribers
Reply-To: [email protected] (Ken Rossen)
Rob Bernardo is back with us at a new address, and there are five
new subscribers:
Eric Albers <[email protected]>,
Ron Beloin <[email protected]>,
Rob Bernardo <lll-crg!ptsfa!pbhye!rob>,
John Fisher <[email protected]>,
Scott McBurney <[email protected]>,
Dennis Rears <[email protected]>,
We also welcome new readers at the Navy AI Center, where the
Digest is new being gatewayed to a new bulletin board.
--
Ken Rossen ...!{ihnp4,harvard,seismo}!bbnccv!horse-request
____or____ [email protected] -or- [email protected]
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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 87 16:41:24 EST
From: [email protected] (Kathryn Smith)
Subject: looking for instructor recommendations
Hi folks,
I went to my weekly riding lesson last night (3/10) and was greeted by
the pleasant little surprise that the owner/instructor at the stable where I
have been taking lessons for the past 3 years has decided to stop giving
lessons except to people who have their own horses, effective 3/27. Nothing
like a little notice.
Apparently it is a combination of having gotten this years liability
insurance bill and realizing that she can make more money by using the eight
stalls now used for school horses for boarding/training. It seems that the
insurance is substantially less if you are giving someone lessons on their
horse instead of yours. Also, most of the school horses, which she is planning
on selling, are in the 18+ age range, and she would need to be finding replace-
ments for at least some of them soon.
I may work something out with a friend that I have been riding with
who lives about 1/4 mile down the road from the stable to use one of her horses
for lessons, but if not I need to find a new instructor. If anyone on the
mailing list can suggest an instructor in the southern NH area who would be
good for someone just starting to do basic dressage work (training level 1,
barely) who doesn't own their own horse, I would appreciate hearing from you.
Kathy Smith
([email protected] or
[email protected])
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From: [email protected]
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 87 04:10:44 EST
Subject: Horseless readers can contribute here!
I want to offer Laura Bagnall my best wishes as she embarks on her MIT
graduate studies. I also want to disagree with her about needing to
own or ride horses in order to make a contribution to the Equestrian
Digest. Before I go on, let me be sure to state that I express
opinions which are mine alone. If any other reader agrees with me,
that person is going to have to say so himself or herself.
Lack of horse ownership, past, present or future, in no way disables a
reader from making interesting contributions to this Digest. Owning
the horse has little to do with learning about horses. You don't need
a horse to read an interesting book or magazine article and comment
about it here in the Digest. You don't need a horse to interview a
new trainer in your area about his or her ideas about horse and rider
training. You don't need a horse to visit a stable and see what they
have to offer. You don't need a horse to attend a horse sport such as
polo, jumping, racing or what you like and tell us how it looked to
you. You don't need a horse to see what is new in the saddle shops in
your area (I just saw the Wintec saddle recently, the huntseat saddle
that contains no leather). You don't need a horse to talk to someone
who presents clinics in your area. You might even consider going to a
clinic just to see what you can learn. At least in my part of the
country the usual auditor fee is $5-$10 per day, not much more than
the price of a movie.
So you haven't ridden since you were 10 years old. So you'll never
make it to Devon or Oklahoma City. Even if all you do is put
something in that everybody else complains is wrong, it advances the
discussion and helps us all learn. If you are a student, maybe you
can't afford the entrance fees for horse activities; maybe there is no
saddle shop near you. So go to the library and read Xenophon on
Horsemanship and tell us what you think of an ancient Greek's ideas on
horsemanship. Or look over the horses for sale column of your
newspaper and tell us what sort of horses one can buy for how much.
You might even find a bargain you can't pass up and join the ranks of
horse owners. All you need do is use your own creative talent to find
some way you can make a valuable contribution to this Digest.
You are about to say that you don't have time to write something for
the Digest. It seems to me that the "price" of a subscription to this
Digest is contributions. If you don't have time to write anything and
I don't have time to write anything, pretty soon there isn't anything
to read. But if each of us reading this makes a promise to ourselves
to make at least 2 contributions a year and we succeed in an average
of 1.5 contributions per reader, we will have over 165 items a year,
more than 12 per month. That would be enough to keep things lively.
So please, resolve to contribute something soon. I promise to read it
and I bet I'll learn more about horses. So will you.
Robin Crickman, ...caip!meccts!foundln!robin
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From: [email protected]
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 87 13:31:25 EST
Subject: Equus, April 1987
Here is another magazine table of contents. Statements in [ ] are my
additions. Feel free to send queries if you want to know more about a
particular listed item, I'll try to assist.
Robin Crickman, ...caip!meccts!foundln!robin
EQUUS, (number 114) April 1987
Can Feed Influence Behavior? Yes, say manufacturers of more than a dozen
equine supplements, but without adequate research results, the scientific
community remains unconvinced.
For The Sake Of The Shire. The horse kingdom's gentle giant is enjoying
renewed popularity due to one man's determination and modern marketing
methods.
Strategies To Speed Recovery. You can help to restore your sick horse's
health with a measure of practical nursing techniques and a dose of tender
loving care.
Conditioning: Expectations Versus Reality. Analyzing why sportscience
has yet to overturn America's training traditions.
Foxfield! One-of-a-kind drill team brings out the best in young riders.
Selling Horses On The Small Screen. Tips from video pros tell how to make
the most of your merchandise when he performs before the camera.
Now He's Colicky, Now He's Not. Investigating the source of an on-again,
off-again internal pain.
The File, a roundup of news and views that matter to the horse world.
Horse Fairs promote the industry with education and entertainment.
Lyme Disease "mimics" common equine aliments
Shetlands Climb out of a quarter-century slump
Vacations on horseback offer a world of experiences
Equine Nutrition and Physiology Society "spreads the word"
Benzelmin Paste expands arsenal against worms
EQUUS Consultants is a monthly feature in which selected experts from across
the country respond to questions raised by readers.
Facilitating arena drainage [describes how to pitch an outdoor arena
for best drainage]
Nasal Obstruction compromises performance [noisy breathing TB filly]
Tempering an unruly urge [curing a gelding's head tossing on canter
depart]
Rehabilitating a torn hamstring [in Western performance horse]
Industry Watch
Freeze-Brand company rewards word on missing horses
Mellon endows chair at Virginia Tech
John Henry: Focus of another Eclipse [photograph of John Henry, taken
by Janice Wilkman, wins Eclipse award]
AFA [American Farrier's Association] stands up for horseshoes [refutes
advertisements by Hoof Bond that shoeing damages horses' hooves]
EEE [eastern equine encephalomyelitis] concern rises down South [suggests
that horses living where mosquitos are active year-round should have
EEE vaccinations every six months rather than annually]
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From: [email protected]
Subject: Winter Update
HI ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Well,,,, it's finally the last day of winter. I'm glad to see it gone.
Of course our winter wasn't all that bad here in northern Illinois.
My first horse show of the season is in 2 weeks and I starting to
get a little nervous already. This will be Rain's and my first BIG
year in showing. I'm still not going to push him too hard tho because
he is only 4. But we plan to do more western pleasure, trail and
driving classes. Last year my friend and trainer showed him mainly
in open english classes because he hadn't caught on, on how to slow
his gaits down for western. I showed him in late summer and that was
it. Now it's going to be him and me and I'm pretty excited because I've
never done it before last year. I just got my show saddle last weekend
so we're all set. I show in Paint and Pinto in the amature classes.
It will be a year of learning for me that's for sure.
Of course we haven't been goofing off during the winter either. He does
get his shoes pulled for winter and the work isn't as hard, but I ride
him enough to keep him in good shape. We did a lot of riding thru empty
fields and working in plowed fields is real good at building those muscles.
In January the barn lights went on a timer and the halter horses went under
blankets to speed up their shedding. Rain got the benefit of the lights and
started shedding too. I didn't blanket him tho because he has to have his
outdoor playtime with his buddies. He also got to start wearing his throat
latch wrap again. I found a real neat one at an auction. It's fleece lined
leather and it buckles. This is great because now his buddy can't pull it
off of him all the time. Now that we have had a few warm days he also gets
worked in his neck sweat when it's warm enough to do any good. The next
task is trying to pull his mane. A friend told me that sometimes thinning
shears do just as good a job without the hassle. I think I may try that
this year. We also started ground driving in his harness to get ready for
driving. I'm taking the cart out of storage next weekend. There are 3 of
us at the barn who plan to be in the driving class this year so we all
practice together. We get some funny looks from the local farmers when
they go by 3 horses pulling tires down the road with 3 women walking
behind them. This is a must tho, because even when your horse gets used
to a cart following them all over creation they never really know what
they themselves look like. The first time they see another horse and cart
they think some monster is coming and is going to eat them. Rain went
thru all this last year but the other two haven't yet. The next step
is to have them all hitched to their carts and driving together. Once
they are used to it we will be ready for the show. It's also kinda of
funny too; we will be working out in the pasture together and one of us
will yell HO at our horse and all 3 horses stop. But that's good too I
suppose (especially in a class). Hopefully by May we will all be ready.
Well I guess that is enough rambling for me. I hope everyone had a good
winter and have a nice spring too.
Pam Benson ihlpa!pkb
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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 87 21:29:58 EST
From: Ken Rossen <[email protected]>
Subject: Congratulations and Article Pointers (Re: Hoof Bonding)
First of all, congratulations are due to the Digest's very own Laura
Edmondson for her impressive success competing around the first weekends
in March in back-to-back three-day events in Jacksonville, FL. She
competed Open Preliminary in the first and Open Intermediate (for her first
time) in the second, and came in third both times in VERY impressive fields
of horses and such riders as Karen Stives. Chronicle of the Horse
subscribers, watch for Laura's name in combined training results in the
coming weeks and, I daresay, from now on!
Speaking of the Chronicle, I'd like to add a pointer thereto in keeping
with what I think is a terrific service contributed by Robin in supplying
tables of contents. There is an article in the March 27 issue on poisonous
plants. It includes a detailed chart of a lot of the more common plants
that can be dangerous to horses, along with lethal doses and descriptions
of symptoms to watch for. This could be helpful to a lot of you who are
caring for your own horses and even those of you who aren't. If you'd
like a reprint of this because you don't get the Chronicle, send me mail
at "[email protected]".
Last, I have another article to mention, and this goes back to Eben's
question some time ago about hoof bonding. Eastern Horse World, the
magazine I mentioned in the last issue because it included an ad with
Fribble in one of the pictures, had an article in March's issue about
hoof sealers. It covers a reaction from the American Farrier's
Association. Now of course we can't expect them care much for hoof
bonding, but this particular reaction is to an ad campaign (which I
haven't seen) that apparently attributes damage to horses' feet to
the nailing on of shoes. The article is excerpted here:
"In answer to charges in a national advertising campaign that nailing
horseshoes onto hooves may be killing horses, the AFA responds
to assure horse owners that traditional shoeing is still the safest
way to care for horses' feet.
"`There are several hoof sealers available today that, when used properly,
can be beneficial in maintaining a natural moisture content in the hoof
wall,' says AFA President Bruce Daniels. `Many farriers use these hoof
sealers in conjunction with a shoeing program, as both a sealant and a
cosmetic. But in no manner do we feel the hoof sealers offer the same
protection, support or traction that a properly fitting horseshoe can
give.'
[...]
"The AFA's stance on the replacement of horseshoes with a sealant has
its base in the theory of natural selection. The equine foot developed
adequately to suit the natural activities of the horse in the wild.
Hooves ahd to carry the horse from food to water, and help the horse
escape hazards. As with any selection process, those with weak feet were
caught by predators and did not produce offspring with the same foot
problems. Demands on today's horses are quite different, and the natural
selection process that onces necessitated good feet is no longer functioning.
Speed, color, size, or performance are of much greater importance to
today's breeders than quality of hoof.
"Throughout North America, farriers observe that most horses will grow
enough hoof to replenish what they wear off in normal everyday activity.
However, when a horse is loaded with a carriage or rider, the hooves
are required to do more than their design and function allows. The
horseshoe was developed to protect the hoof from excess wear.
"AFA's members unanimously agree that the artificial environment our horses
live and work in demands artificial devices like horseshoes. The extra
support of corrective shoeing has aided farriers in extending the usability
of many horses. Horses forced to travel over stone-covered ground would
constantly be lame without the protection and cover a horseshoe offers.
Traction from caulks of borium is an absolute necessity for horses doing
fast work on ice-covered roads or wet grass."
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End of Equestrian Digest
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| 77.23 | Equestrian Digest Issue #52 | LDP::BELANGER | Boycott Boycotts! | Wed May 20 1987 22:51 | 274 |
| Equestrian Digest Tue 7 Apr 1987 Issue 52
Today's Topics:
vets
Bye - off to California
Update
Intro. and Instructor Recommendation
Practical Horseman, April 1987
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Date: Thu 2 Apr 87 09:48:44-EST
From: [email protected]
Subject: vets
I've been giving some thoughts to vets lately. Lets say you had to
get a new vet, how would you choose one? To make it more interesting, assume
that you can't ask a fellow horse owner for a reference. It's easy to get
a list of the local vets from the yellow pages but how can you tell the good
ones from the bad ones?
I've had horse for about 8 years and in that time have dealt with
4 vets. Two were fairly young, two older. Two were male, two female. Two
were good, two bad. One of the good ones was a young female and the other
was an older male so age or sex doesn't help pick out the good ones. The
most noticable thing about the good vets were that they travled alone while
the bad vets had an assistant. A vet that travels alone must be less hurried,
more gentle and have "a way with animals". They seem to have more concern for
the animal and give good care. The two bad vets I've dealt with both had an
assistant. The main purpose of the assistant seemed to be to twitch horse
and otherwise bully it so the vet could work quickly. If this causes the horse
more pain/suffering/panic, well, its only a horse.
So how would you pick out a good vet? Do you care if they travel solo?
Would you ask them some medical questions? Give them a pop-quiz? What would
you ask? Do you care where they got their degree from? If you are new to an
area would you have a few vets out to do simple stuff like give shots so that
when an emergency came up you would know who you could trust? Do you trus or
avoid a vet who works at the track?
Looking forward to your comments.
Steve McDonald
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Subject: Bye - off to California
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 87 11:03:09 -0500
From: Janet Gann <[email protected]>
Dear Ken,
I'm sorry to say that I'll be leaving BBN (and my network
address) at the end of April and will not be able to
receive the Horse Digest. I'm getting married and moving to
California (Palo Alto area) in early May.
I've really enjoyed much of the Digest and especially want to
applaud the recent letter from Robin Crickman on contributions
to the Digest by the horseless - speaking as one of the
horseless, I feel quite shamefaced at not having been a more
vocal reader. After all, even if we've not all been lucky enough
to own a horse, we can still share our thoughts and dreams. I've just
finished packing and shipping a lifetime of books on horses and
riding - it might be interesting to see some letters about favorite
books or stories, especially for readers with children - I'd be
willing to bet many (if not most) of us got our start with horses
thanks to books and it would be a shame not to share our favorites.
Before I depart electronically (April 24th is my last day of
known network access), I wonder if anyone has suggestions about
riding possibilities for the horseless in the Palo Alto area?
I know that Stanford has completely renovated its riding facilities
since I was a student there - does anyone have any experience with
this stable or others in the palo Alto vicinity?
So long for now. Thanks for a very enjoyable year!
Janet Gann
[email protected]
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From: [email protected]
Subject: Update
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 87 07:56:04 EST
Hello again!
I haven't dropped a note in a while as things were kind of ticking over
quietly here, but now a few more interesting things have come up. First
of all, finally I am entered in an honest-to-god horse trial for the end
of this month. I am going to ride one on the school horses (Donner, a
solid equine citizen) at the Hilltop Stables Horse Trial in the Starter Novice
level. Now, probably since I am riding a pretty Solid First Level Dressage
and well into Second level, as well a jumping 3 foot stadium courses, I am
going to be a bit of a ringer, BUT I have to start somewhere. I am really
looking forward to this. I have been warned (and know from experience) that
normally placid Donner turns into a runaway freight train out in the open,
so the cross country is likely to be a problem. Somewhere in the next few
weekends (If the mud ever hardens a bit), my instructor and I will take
Donner out on our stables cross country course. We will carry with us a
selection of nasty bits and a (running) martingale or two to find out just
exactly what I can use to keep control. SOunds awful, but this is a
problem with him.
The biggest deal of this spring: I am going to buy a horse in the
next two months or so. HOORAH! But, this is causing me a great deal of
anxiety. I am pretty certain I can afford it (Estimates of what people out
in the North East are spending on food, shoes, shots, Vets etc. would be
welcome so that I can recheck my figures), but after 25 years of hearing
"You can't afford it.", and "They are so much trouble", and "You'll be
sorry", little voices in my head are waking me up in the middle of the
night telling me this is one of the all time great mistakes a person can
make. I expect this is what goes on in a person's head when they are about
to get married. (Never having done that either, I can only speculate). I
am normally a worrier and this is REALLY a juicy thing to worry about.
Someone told me that after she bought her first horse she was depressed for
weeks afterwards (post-partum depression?). Have any of you had the "Oh
God, I'm buying a horse" jitters? I'd like to hear from some of you that
have gone through this.
By the way, I am not going into the horse buying jungle unarmed: I am
commisioning by dressage instructor, Sally Harden, to do the hunting for me.
I would be the world's juciest pigeon. I've ridden so many short strided
hard mouthed, pulling school horses that that really seems normal to me.
I'm hoping to do a little better than that. What I want is a horse of about
16 hands with good enough motion to have some extension and that can
get me through, maybe, training level eventing. For this marvelous
creature I can spend about 3500$. Am I dreaming?
Another piece of advice I could use: Donner is a white horse that
never gets a really thorough grooming and stains easily, what if anything
can I do to get him looking presentable for a one-shot deal (the horse
trial) that won't involve taking over effective ownership of him for the
next month? Part of Donner's p[roblem is that the Floradale school horses
appear not to have grooming boxes. You can NEVER find a brush or curry
comb before you tack the up. I even was given a spare brush by someone for
Donner's use that disappeared by the time I returned the next week. Are
there any good tricks to getting a white horse white? And what can I do
with his hooves? Painting them black just doesn't seem right. (Never
liked the look of painted hooves on ANY horse, for that matter.. another
abusive showing practice?)
Well, this has gone on long enough. I must get to work now.
-- Judy Grass
ulysses!jeg
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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 87 17:18:20 EST
From: [email protected] (Suzanne Thebaut)
Subject: Intro. and Instructor Recommendation
Hi Everyone,
This is my first posting after almost a year of subscription to the
Digest. The last issue had two articles in it that I couldn't ignore. One
of those was Robin Crickman's encouraging invitation for more active involve-
ment in the digest. You are right, of course, so here I am, happily. Part of
my reluctance to post was the fact that I've never done it before, so after
studying the mail(1) manual entry, here goes!
The other article that pulled me out of the closet was a request for
instructor recommendations from Kathy Smith. Kathy, I think that I know
perhaps the best (and most underrated) dressage/CT instructor in New England.
His name is Tony Provencher, and he is the owner/manager of Omega Training
Stables in Haverhill, Mass. My huggable monster Dakota and I have been with
him since last June, and we have really come a long way in a short time. When
we came to him, we could barely do a circle. With Tony's instruction, Koty and
I have learned/are learning to communicate and ride some occassionally good
dressage tests. (Unfortunately, the best ones so far have been at home, with
no judge eyeing us critically. *sigh*). Besides being an excellent dressage
instructor/rider, Tony is an effective jumping instructor. So, before I go on
much too much, I strongly recommend Omega and Tony for your consideration. Oh,
and by the way, he does have school horses, and most of his students are not
owners.
Now, the intro. Dakota and I moved to Haverhill from Waterbury, CT
in March '86. At that time, I had owned him for less than a year, and hadn't
done much more than trail ride. I had been on a three week riding holiday in
England where I was introduced to the fundamentals of dressage and combined
training. I took lessons at the Talland school of Equitation for a week in
preparation for a week of hunting the following week. Well, I had never done
anything at all like this, and it was absolutly TERRIFYING, and a thrilling
experience that I will never forget. I went around taking pictures of the
obstacles I jumped. Of course, the pictures couldn't reproduce the
exhilaration. Naturally, I wanted to do more of this when I came home. So,
I hunted a couple of times with the Middlebury Hunt (Ct.) but really had no
further exposure to eventing. There really doesn't seem to be much of that
in the western Ct. area. Anyway, then I moved north, bumped into Tony, and
you've already heard that story. Dakota and I evented only three times last
summer/fall, the last being the most successful at the Palmer River horse
trials, where we took 4th in Sr. Novice. We are planning a lot more this
summer, starting with the Jericho Forest Pony Club Combined Test on April 26th
and then Hitching Post Farm (VT) in May. By the way, Dakota is 8 yrs. old,
16.1h, dark bay, no markings, QH/TB, and very affectionate.
Hey, I've enjoyed this! I think I'll do it more often.
Happy Hoofbeats,
Suzanne Thebaut
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From: [email protected]
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 87 04:12:09 EDT
Subject: Practical Horseman, April 1987
Here is another magazine table of contents. Statements in [ ] are my
additions. Feel free to send queries if you want to know more about a
particular listed item, I'll try to assist.
Robin Crickman, ...caip!meccts!foundln!robin
Practical Horseman (Volume 15, number 4, April 1987
FEATURES
Christina Schlusemeyer: Coaching Scott. From "Who is that boy?" to Maclay
win, the successful trainer describes the program that launched a leading
young rider. Part Two: The Last Chance.
Can You Call Your Horses Business? If you can, you may be able to write
off your horse-related expenses; if you can't, you may still qualify for
savings. Two professional advisors map out opportunities under the new
tax law.
Stable Skills. Doing Away With Scratches. This minor ailment can be a
persistent nuisance; here's how to banish it with a week's treatment.
[John had this problem with Toncho last summer, he and the vet devised
a similar program, but it didn't "banish" the scratches, it only kept them
at bay as long as he continued the treatment.]
Leveraging Ten Ounces of Steel. The smithy's ancestral art is also potent
science, with power to control movement in a thousand pounds of horse.
Here are some of the subtle under-foot adjustments that bring massive above-
ground changes.
Step-By-Step. Anne Kursinski. Jumping Better By Doing Less. [Fifth in
a series.] Whether you're a novice over fences or an advanced competitor,
this grand prix winner's sensible, proven system will make you a more
effective and confident rider. Lesson five (conclusion):Riding a course.
DEPARTMENTS
Confirmation Clinic with Champ Hough [2 Trakehners and a TB]
Saddle Ways and Bridle Whys. Kay Meredith explains how to get a horse to
accept the bit; A. Martin Simensen, DVM, prescribes treatment for a sore
back; Brad Gibby explains how to maintain control at speed.
Forum: Event rider Denny Emerson, pack trip leader and veterinarian Craig
London, and endurance rider John Dipietro discuss strategies for riding
up and down slopes.
Idea Exchange [Use a pancake syrup dispenser to hold the oil you add to
your horses feed.]
Jumping Clinic with George Morris [regular feature wherein Morris criticizes
riders from photographs they send in]
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End of Equestrian Digest
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| 77.24 | Equestrian Digest Issue #53 | LDP::BELANGER | Boycott Boycotts! | Wed May 20 1987 22:52 | 395 |
| Equestrian Digest Wed 22 Apr 1987 Issue 53
Today's Topics:
New Subscribers
white horses
white horses
Purchasing and Grooming
intro
Quotes
Introduction
foaling test
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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 87 22:49:33 EDT
From: [email protected] (Equestrian Digest Coordinator)
Subject: New Subscribers
Reply-To: [email protected] (Ken Rossen)
Here are this issue's new subscribers.
Marilyn Bedford <[email protected]>,
Ken Englander <KLE0394%TAMSIGMA.BITNET>,
Gay Favor <SGF2528%TAMSIGMA.BITNET>,
Bob Floyd <hplabs!mycroft!bf>,
Jaye Mathisen <decvax!utah-cs!mts-cs!icsu6000>
Welcome, all of you!
--
Ken Rossen ...!{ihnp4,harvard,seismo}!ccv.bbn.com!horse-request
____or____ [email protected] -or- [email protected]
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Date: Wed, 8 Apr 87 06:00:49 EST
From: [email protected] (Jean Marie Diaz)
Subject: white horses
Reply-To: [email protected]
Usnail: 3 Ames St. Cambridge, MA 02139
Nynex: (617) 225-6364
Another piece of advice I could use: Donner is a white horse that
never gets a really thorough grooming and stains easily, what if anything
can I do to get him looking presentable for a one-shot deal (the horse
trial) that won't involve taking over effective ownership of him for the
next month? Part of Donner's p[roblem is that the Floradale school horses
appear not to have grooming boxes. You can NEVER find a brush or curry
comb before you tack the up. I even was given a spare brush by someone for
Donner's use that disappeared by the time I returned the next week. Are
there any good tricks to getting a white horse white? And what can I do
with his hooves? Painting them black just doesn't seem right. (Never
liked the look of painted hooves on ANY horse, for that matter.. another
abusive showing practice?)
Well, this has gone on long enough. I must get to work now.
-- Judy Grass
ulysses!jeg
Well, the standard practice of hoof-painting, at least when I was
working in the horse world (at a showing/training/breeding Arab farm),
involved taking a steel brush to the outside of the hooves under a
stream of running water. This takes the dirt and crud off, but also the
periople--the protective coating on the hooves. Then, hoof paint was
applied, but ONLY to black areas (black hooves, and dark stripes of
striped hooves). This was due to show rules, but it seems perfectly
sensible to me. Black paint doesn't look quite right over light hooves.
Just clean them off. Use something like a rough plastic dish-scrubber,
instead of steel, on them, if you're concerned about keeping the
periople intact. People claim that removing the periople will cause
dry, shelly hooves, but we never had this problem, even during the
height of show season. Then again, we weren't training jumpers.
You say Donner never gets a really thorough grooming--GIVE him a few,
the two or three weeks before the show. Since you're getting your own
horse, get a few brushes first, and keep them with *you*, not Donner.
As a last-minute oh-how-am-I-ever-going-to-get-that-grass-stain-off-of-him
help, try cornstarch. I've never had any luck with tack-shop
"whitening" sprays.
AMBAR
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Date: Wed, 8 Apr 87 12:01:41 EDT
From: [email protected]
Subject: white horses
Reply-To: [email protected]
Re: Judy Grass's query about white horses and grooming:
The best thing I was ever made to do (at least regarding horses)
was to have *my own* grooming stuff (you can get by quite well
with a couple of brushes, currycomb, mane comb, and hoofpick in a
bucket you can use for washing). Put your name on everything,
and either keep it in your car or someplace safe in the stable.
Don't encourage others to use it - that's how things "walk away".
Blueing (sp?) always works well on white horses - you just need a
little in the water you wash him with. Give him a bath the day
before and put a sheet on him. Make sure je doesn't get turned
out, or you'll have to do it all over!
Start working on him now to try to get him spotless for the big
day. He'll get dirty again, but at least you'll have gotten some
of it off. He'll feel better, too...
Good luck!
Another of the horseless masses -
Pat Wilson
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Date: Wed, 8 Apr 87 15:09:13 EST
From: [email protected]
Subject: Purchasing and Grooming
> The biggest deal of this spring: I am going to buy a horse in the
> next two months or so. HOORAH! But, this is causing me a great deal of
> anxiety. I am pretty certain I can afford it (Estimates of what people out
> in the North East are spending on food, shoes, shots, Vets etc. would be
> welcome so that I can recheck my figures), but after 25 years of hearing
> "You can't afford it.", and "They are so much trouble", and "You'll be
> sorry", little voices in my head are waking me up in the middle of the
> night telling me this is one of the all time great mistakes a person can
> make. I expect this is what goes on in a person's head when they are about
> to get married. (Never having done that either, I can only speculate). I
> am normally a worrier and this is REALLY a juicy thing to worry about.
> Someone told me that after she bought her first horse she was depressed for
> weeks afterwards (post-partum depression?). Have any of you had the "Oh
> God, I'm buying a horse" jitters? I'd like to hear from some of you that
> have gone through this.
>
I've bought three horses (one at a time) and every time I've had the jitters.
They always passed quickly. All the worry involved in buying and keeping a
horse becomes worth it the first time you walk in the stall and the horse
puts his head on your shoulder. Or whinnies at hearing your voice when
you first come into the barn. Or runs across the paddock to say hello and
get his head rubbed. There are benefits.
> ...What I want is a horse of about
> 16 hands with good enough motion to have some extension and that can
> get me through, maybe, training level eventing. For this marvelous
> creature I can spend about 3500$. Am I dreaming?
Not at all. You won't get a made training level horse for that much money,
but you can certainly get a horse with the body and mind to go that level.
The two of you will have to put in a lot of time, sweat, and miles before
you're ready, but, along with the physical training, those things build the
bond between you and the horse that's so important.
> Another piece of advice I could use: Donner is a white horse that
> never gets a really thorough grooming and stains easily, what if anything
> can I do to get him looking presentable for a one-shot deal (the horse
> trial) that won't involve taking over effective ownership of him for the
> next month? Part of Donner's p[roblem is that the Floradale school horses
> appear not to have grooming boxes. You can NEVER find a brush or curry
> comb before you tack the up. I even was given a spare brush by someone for
> Donner's use that disappeared by the time I returned the next week. Are
> there any good tricks to getting a white horse white? And what can I do
> with his hooves? Painting them black just doesn't seem right. (Never
> liked the look of painted hooves on ANY horse, for that matter.. another
> abusive showing practice?)
Buy your own brushes, curry comb, mane comb, and hoof pick. Carry them in
a bucket and keep them in your car.
Pull his mane until it's a presentable length. The day before the show,
give the horse a full bath. (Tack stores and feed stores sell shampoo for
animals. It rinses easily, a factor that you won't appreciate until you
have a 1200 pound soaking wet horse to deal with.) Clean his stall so he
doesn't sleep in a lot of shit, and the next morning spend a lot of time
and elbow grease to get out the inevitable stains. If there are stains that
won't come out, I've been told that corn starch (?) will cover them up.
Use a scrub brush to clean all the dirt off his hooves. There's no need to
use hoof polish. I've never seen a horse at an event that had it on.
Let us know how it goes.
Carl Deitrick
ihnp4!ihuxv!cbd
P.S. In the past, we've had requests for advice about buying saddles and taking
horse vacations. What did the people who asked those questions do?
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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 87 17:47:19 EDT
From: Patricia Corl <[email protected]>
Subject: intro
Hi!!
Please note that my mail address has changed again (we here at Eastman Kodak
like to keep you all awake by changing things bi-monthly)!
{seismo!rochester!ritcv!elmgate!pic}
I have been avidly (sorry if my spelling is not that great, what do you want
from a Computer Engineer?) reading this digest after one of my friends from
digital told me about the digest. Its about time I introduced myself.
My name is Pat Corl, and I really can't remember what year I started riding.
Actually, I swore I would never get on a horse after watching my cousin take
a real bad spill at a show. But a friend of mine surprised me one year by
giving me a free lesson for my birthday at a stable where she kept her horse.
I have been there ever since (my best guess is that was 4 years ago). I ride
primarily western, but I have found a new joy in riding saddle seat! I'm
afraid all this talk of eventing and jumping is foreign to me but I love
reading all the stuff anyway, and I have learned some stuff that I can use even
if all four of my horses feet don't leave the ground!
I leased horses for two years, and helped train one badly abused horse that my
instructor thought I could handle. Much to my surprise, I could, and with much
patience on a lot of people's parts she is doing fine these days. (I would not
recommend this for the weak at heart, it took much patience and time). All my
work has been with Arabs, and I love them. I do, however, like watching other
breeds and note their different characteristics. I read almost any book I can
get my hands on (from Xyenophon (remember my spelling -- oh well) to "Centered
Riding"). I am seriously considering going back to school and getting a degree
in Animal Behavior and work at professional training.
Last year I finally broke down and bought my own horse. I looked for one
that would serve me as a show horse, western pleasure and equitation, and
that had the "moves" to be a good saddle seat horse with training. Tiger is
a full blood arab, white (to the person who was looking for something to
clean the stains, I find good old ivory dish soap works great!! and I use
clear hoof polish on his feet. I soap his coat up good where the stain is
then use a rubber curry and a little muscle....) and just turned 6 years
old. We are going to hit the show circuit this spring and summer, and my
trainer thinks the two of us have the capability to go sectional if I don't
chicken out in the ring. Tiger was gelded at 4 1/2 years, and can be a bit
hard to handle at times, but he has turned into my best friend. Tiger is
coming along just great at saddle seat, and I may show him that way later
this summer, but for now western is fine. I just bought a second horse, a 1
year old filly (yes paul I did it again). I have never trained a horse from
ground up, but here goes.
I would like a couple of suggestions, I would like the titles of a couple of
good books on foals and the training of.... for obvious reasons. The other
problem I have is, Tiger is great in the ring, even in trail classes, but
get him out in the field or on a trail and he bucks and rears. I know he
was originally used on trail after he was gelded, and I used him that way
when I first got him. Now he is a twerp out there. I have tried snaffles,
high ports etc... and don't seem to get anywhere. I get the feeling that he
is not afraid of anything, he just throws a temper tantrum out there!
Thanks for listening! I hope to hear from some of you out there in wonderful
horse world...
Happy hoofing,
pat corl
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Date: 14 Apr 87 17:20:37 EDT (Tue)
From: [email protected] (JJ Cymbaluk)
Subject: Quotes
Hi Everyone,
In my travels, I've picked up a few 'horse notebooks' containing
artwork and quotes pertaining to horses. Here are a few of my favorite
quotes. Enjoy!
Janet Cymbaluk
***********************************************************************
Experienced riders are not prone to
brag. And usually newcomers, if they
start out being boastful, end up modest.
-C.J.J. Mullen
A lovely horse is always an experience...It is an
emotional experience of the kind that is spoiled
by words.
-Beryl Markham
We kept him until he died...
and sat with him during the
long last minutes when a
horse comes closest to seem-
ing human.
C.J.J. Mullen
A horse gallops with his lungs,
Perseveres with his heart,
And wins with his character.
-Tesio
A good rider on a good horse is as much above himself
and others as the world can make him.
-Lord Herbert
See to it that the colt be
kind, used to the hand, and
fond of man.
-Xenophon
No ride is ever the last one. No horse is
ever the last one you will have. Somehow
there will always be other horses, other
places to ride them.
-Monica Dickens
The hooves of the horses!-Oh! witching and sweet
Is the music earth steals from the iron-shod feet;
No whisper of lover, no trilling of bird,
Can stir me as hooves of horses have stirred.
-Will H. Ogilvie
There is no secret so close as that between a rider and his horse.
-Robert Smith Surtees
They say princes learn no art truly,
but the art of horsemanship. The reason
is, the brave beast is no flatterer. He
will throw a prince as soon as his groom.
-Ben Jonson
**************************************************************************
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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 87 16:09 CDT
From: SGF2528%[email protected]
Subject: Introduction
I'm so surprised to find a "horse discussion" going on over the network!
And pleased!
I raise purebred Arabians of Polish/Donahue breeding. Presently, I have
23 ranging from three weeks old to eighteen years. I do all of my own
training, showing, grooming, etc. I have been in the Arabian business
for about twenty years (since I was fifteen). Although I prefer Arabians
for my own personal horses, I love ALL horses . . . an affliction I was born
with. At times, I wish I had loved tennis so that all I would need to buy is
a raquet and a few balls. Professionally, I am the operations manager for
Engineering Comoputer Services at Texas A & M University. We have a Vax
cluster consisting of an 8650 and an 8800 with slightly over 2000 users.
We have a second cluster of two 11/750s and an 8300. I attended TAMU for
two degrees, both in Agriculture!!! To me, A.I. means artificial insemenation
instead of artificial intelligence!!!!
Thank you for including me in your horse forum. I know I will enjoy it very
much and am looking forward to receiving the messages.
Sincerely,
Gay Favor
Etoile Arabians
Rt. 2 Box 168
College Station, Tx. 77840
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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 87 09:23 CDT
From: <SGF2528%[email protected]>
Subject: foaling test
For those who are interested, my veterinarian introduced a new test to me
this year which predicts the foaling time for mares. It is actually a water
hardness test. You mix one part mare's milk (just a little bit in a test tube)
with six parts DISTILLED water. Insert a test strip (which is a strip with 4
blue squares on it). When all four squares turn from blue to pink, you are
within 24 to 48 hours of foaling. The test is 95% accurate and sells for $40
for 100 strips. It has worked on my mares so far this year and has saved me
quite a bit of sleep. The mares don't seem to mind being milked, as it only
takes a little (about 2 c.c.'s works best). This test is not sold for horses
yet (that is, it is not called a foaling test). It is sold as a water hardness
test. The theory is that it works based on the mineral levels present in the
mare's colostrum. If anyone else has used this, I'd like to hear about the
results. It certainly has proven to be far better than the "beepers" that
are available currently. The squares turn various degrees of blue to pink,
but they indicate foaling only when all four squares are COMPLETELY pink.
For those of you who "sit up" with your mares as I do, this test is worth
a million!! So far, I haven't missed a single foaling and all have been
normal and produced healthy foals.
Gay Favor, Texas A & M
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| 77.25 | Equestrian Digest Issue #54 | LDP::BELANGER | Boycott Boycotts! | Wed May 20 1987 22:54 | 336 |
| Equestrian Digest Sat 2 May 1987 Issue 54
Today's Topics:
New Subscribers
"How to Make a White Horse White"
Finally - riding vacations!!
Introduction
Lay Veterinary Short Courses
Horse Newsletter
hooves
Practical Horseman, May 1987
Equus, May 1987
Equestrian Vacations
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Sat, 2 May 87 07:39:26 EDT
From: [email protected] (Equestrian Digest Coordinator)
Subject: New Subscribers
Reply-To: [email protected]
Our two new subscribers are:
Steve Arrants <uw-beaver!microsoft!stephena>,
Jimmy Wright <[email protected]>
Welcome!
--
Ken Rossen ...!{ihnp4,harvard,seismo}!ccv.bbn.com!horse-request
____or____ [email protected] -or- [email protected]
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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 87 08:11 CDT
From: <SGF2528%[email protected]>
Subject: "How to Make a White Horse White"
There is a shampoo on the market that is the best I have ever used for this
purpose . . . and I use alot of it since most of my horses are greys. It is
called "Quick-Silver". It is excellent for taking the dingy yellow color out
of manes and tails, and truly makes a white horse like snow. For hooves, I
like to simply clean them very well with a brush and spray them with something
like Grand Champion. I don't like the commercial preparations where you sand
down the hooves and apply polish as I feel that does damage to the hoof wall.
You cannot get a "patent leather" shine by doing as I have suggested, but the
hooves do appear neat and clean and the Grand Champion brings out the natural
color of the hooves.
One other thing you might want to try for white horses is bathing them with
your regualar shampoo and applying "White Minx" rinse. You can buy that at
any grocery store in the hair color section. It also works quite well. I
prefer "Quick Silver",but it is expensive. The White Minx works very well
as long as you follow directions and do not leave it on too long. If you do,
the hair will have a blue appearance (like many older women)!!!
--------------------
Full-Name: ENS Carlyn M. Lowery
Organization: The MITRE Corp., Washington, D.C.
Subject: Finally - riding vacations!!
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 87 09:13:18 EST
From: ENS Carlyn M. Lowery <[email protected]>
It looks like it's past time I told everyone what I did for
my riding vacation, especially since it was absolutely FABULOUS.
My riding instructor told me that magazines like "Equus" and
"Practical Horseman" often carry ads saying such things as
"Worldwide riding vacations - ride through Europe", and she
pulled some of them out for me. I sent for catalogues, and the
most enticing were the rides scheduled by FITS Equestrian and
Claremont Riding Holidays. They have rides all over the world -
from Spain to Austria to Egypt to Morocco. I was so overwhelmed
that I couldn't decide where to go! I ended up choosing a 6-day
ride through the Salzach Valley in Austria with FITS Equestrian,
and I went last September.
The trip consisted of 6 days of riding, staying at a
different "Gasthaus" (inn) every night. Eleven riders went, 3
American, 1 Dutch, and the rest German. Luckily, most of them
spoke English. The scenery was phenomenal, the inns very
comfortable, the food delicious, and the horses superb. We were
each assigned our own horse the first day, to ride for the entire
time. Every morning we groomed the horses and set off for a
morning's riding, then stopped for lunch, then rode through the
afternoon, and in the evening stopped at an inn for dinner and
the night. The group was very friendly, and we spent the whole
time together. It was truly a dream vacation.
Now I've gotten the catalogues for this year and am deciding
where to go this time. Should it be the Maine Fall Foliage Ride
or a British riding school? We'll see...
For those who are interested, the price was amazingly
reasonable. $529.00 covered horses, accommodations, breakfasts,
and dinners. The prices have gone up a little this year.
Now it's your turn - if you have been dreaming of a riding
vacation and would like to see another country at the same time -
the time is now. You won't regret it!! What do you think?
Carlyn Lowery
lowery at mitre.arpa
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 87 22:26:02 pst
From: [email protected] (Robert Floyd)
Subject: Introduction
Hi everybody! I'm Bob Floyd in Woodside, CA. doing Dressage at CTETA Horse
Park under Peggy Kelly for a year now. I have a used Nelson Pessoa jumping
saddle (size 16 3/4) for sale (since I got hooked on Dressage).
I'm also interested in good books on Horse Psychology (Havn't found one
yet) and Riding (like "Riding Logic" by Museler).
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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 87 15:29:51 EDT
From: [email protected]
Subject: Lay Veterinary Short Courses
A while ago I asked if you knew of any vet schools that offered short
horse courses for the 'civilian' (non-veterinarian). I found that Cornell
offers several short courses. They last anywhere from three days to a week.
For more information, call the Veterinary College at Cornell University
(607) 255-7259. Other subscribers might find this useful.
I also talked to the people at Purdue. They don't offer such courses.
--------------------
From: [email protected]
Subject: Horse Newsletter
Date: Mon Apr 27 11:03:02 1987
Can you add me to the distribution list of your horseowners newsletter?
I've got a spotted app, a quarter-app mix, and a 'walkaloosa'.
thanks.
Steve Arrants==============...!uw-beaver!microsoft!stephena=====
[email protected] >>avoid ihnp4!!<<
DISCLAIMER: These are my opinions, not my employer's.
USENET RULE OF THUMB: Nothing is more dangerous than ignorance in action.
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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 87 14:16:03 EDT
From: Laura Edmundson <laura%[email protected]>
Subject: hooves
Hi,
Just wanted to add another suggestion for making hooves look good
without too much trouble. All you need to do is to clean the hoof wall
with water (use a sponge or soft brush), dry the hoof then apply baby oil,
vaseline, or hoof oil. This gives the hooves a nice healthy look instead
of the fake look from hoof black. You will need to do this just before you
tack up for your ride, then have someone wipe off the hooves with a dry
cloth before you go in the ring. Anyway, I hope you do well at the event.
--------------------
From: [email protected]
Date: Fri, 1 May 87 20:13:43 EDT
Subject: Practical Horseman, May 1987
Here is another magazine table of contents. Statements in [ ] are my
additions. Feel free to send queries if you want to know more about a
particular listed item, I'll try to assist.
Robin Crickman, ...caip!meccts!foundln!robin
Practical Horseman (Volume 15, number 5), May 1987
FEATURES
Michael Matz: Hunting Talent. The famous grand prix winner describes his
approach to screening jumper prospects; the must-have qualities, the
negotiables, and how to identify them in an unproven performer.
Stable Skills; Putting the White Back. A refresher for white markings.
When Is A Sound Horse Lame? When He Ties Up. No other ailment of the limbs,
short of a broken leg, can bring your horse to such an abrupt and painful
halt. Just when you might find yourself walking home, and why, are puzzles
researchers are only now beginning to answer.
Step-By-Step. Olin Armstrong, Breaking Your Colt. Using this leadin horseman's
low-key method, you can take your colt from saddling to low fences without
fuss, and without even the aid of an assistant. Lesson One; in the stall.
DEPARTMENTS
Saddle Ways and Bridle Whys. Dana Douglass Jungherr tells how to improve
jumping security; Bonnie Wright on keeping tack mold-free; Jim Morgan,
DVM, discusses solutions for a horse that won't bend.
Forum: Hunter trainer Edith Conyers, AQHA judge Kiff Parrish, and dressage
rider Diana Rankin discuss ways to correct a horse that jigs.
Idea Exchange [Constructing a bridle holder rack from a board and slices
of log.] [Personally, I find tuna fish cans satisfactory.]
Jumping Clinic with George Morris [regular feature wherein Morris criticizes
Confirmation Clinic with Champ Hough [3 TB fillies]
--------------------
From: [email protected]
Date: Fri, 1 May 87 20:14:06 EDT
Subject: Equus, May 1987
Here is another magazine table of contents. Statements in [ ] are my
additions. Feel free to send queries if you want to know more about a
particular listed item, I'll try to assist.
Robin Crickman, ...caip!meccts!foundln!robin
EQUUS, (number 115) May 1987
Do Horses Bend? Three experts explore flexibility and how the body equine
accomplishes what doesn't come naturally.
Special Report: Fighting To Survive. Introduction.
Body and Brain: Commanding The Internal Defense. Once thought of as an
autonomous process, the immune system is just one component of an intricate
protective mechanism which scientists are now finding is subject to
short-circuiting by stress.
Encouraging Health From Within. The growing understanding of the body's
natural wellness mechanisms offers opportunities for new methods of
immunological manipulation and explains how some of the most ancient
healing arts can cure.
"Wisping" Your Horse's Coat Into Shape. A step-by-step guide for making
your own grooming tool out of some spare flakes of hay.
Towing The Line On The C&O Canal. As charges of the National Park Serivce,
six molly mules serve to preserve a transportation tradition.
Are You The CAuse Of Your Horse's Vice? Cornell University'y Katherine
Houpt, VMD, PhD, examines the roots and cures of equine misbehavior.
Enduring The Long Wait, And Then Some. After 13 months in the womb, first
foal arrives "prematurely."
Performance Problem Solving. How to systematically assess the factors
that can make or break your equine athlete's career.
The File, a roundup of news and views that matter to the horse world.
Three-Day Eventing: Risky Business For Horses?
Have Hyaluronate-Sodium Products Passed The "Acid" Test?
Reining Wins Converts With Fast Action, Big Purses, Innovative Events
ROC Organizer Shares Secrets Of Successful Sponsorships
Glue-On Shoe, Pour-On Pad Offer Pliable Protection
Oak Tree Racing Association Makes Every Horse A Winner
EQUUS Consultants is a monthly feature in which selected experts from across
the country respond to questions raised by readers.
"Virus Chase" Yields Few Clues. [Mouth sores caused by virus]
No timetable For Reconditioning [ Time for getting a laid-up racehorse
fit again not known]
Hypothyroidism: Hormonal "Misfire"
Reforming A "Mouthy" Gelding
Industry Watch
CSU To Complete Colic Study [To be finished this December]
Delaware Valley Offers Equine Science Degree
USDA Relaxes CEM Restrictions
--------------------
Date: Sat, 2 May 87 8:03:49 EDT
From: Ken Rossen <[email protected]>
Subject: Equestrian Vacations
On the topic of Carl's earlier queries and Carlyn's travelogue, Eastern
Horse World has just printed a rundown of sources for those seeking
equestrian vacation ideas. Some are quite exotic, to wit:
"The first trip ever of its kind: horseback riding in the Tien
Shan (Celestial Mountains) of China is introduced by FITS
Equestrian Tours. Beyond the Gobi and along an important
part of the ancient Silk Road, the Tien Shan are still
relatively unknown and unspoiled with lakes, dense coniferous
forests, and snow-capped peaks rising to 18,000 feet ..."
"Equitour offers a 15 day horseback safari around the Masai
Mara Game Reserve ... This is the eighth year Equitour has
run these exciting rides through the country where Out of Africa
was filmed ..."
[Ania -- are you listening? There's fodder here for you to rival Karen
Holt for our department's most exciting vacation!]
Other offerings include Icelandic Horseback in the Icelandic countryside,
tours of Hungary and Portugal, exploring the headwaters of the Red Deer
River on the eastern slopes of the Canadian Rockies, hunting and
steeplechase in Ireland and, closer to home, driving horse tour weekends
at Blue Rock Hill Country in Ohio.
Those wishing reprints of this article or an address for Eastern Horse
World should send me a message with your postal address. The issue in
question is dated April 1.
Happy vacationing!
--
Ken Rossen ...!{ihnp4,harvard,seismo}!bbn!krossen
____or____ [email protected] -or- [email protected]
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|
| 77.26 | Equestrian Digest Issue #55 | LDP::BELANGER | Boycott Boycotts! | Wed May 20 1987 22:55 | 153 |
| Equestrian Digest Fri 15 May 1987 Issue 55
Today's Topics:
New Subscribers
Horse Trial results...
Hoof Dressing
"Endotoxin"
Region IX Championship Show
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Fri, 15 May 87 10:52:55 EDT
From: [email protected] (Equestrian Digest Coordinator)
Subject: New Subscribers
Reply-To: [email protected]
New subscribers are:
Carolyn Gilbert <lll-crg!ptsfa!lamc!gilbert>,
Paulette Jones <[email protected]>,
Susie Lee <[email protected]>
. . . and, in Erlangen, West Germany, on behalf of his friend,
Otto Mueller <mueller%[email protected]>
Welcome, everybody!
--
Ken Rossen ...!{ihnp4,harvard,seismo}!bbn!horse-request
____or____ [email protected] -or- [email protected]
--------------------
From: [email protected]
Date: Sat, 2 May 87 15:13:01 EDT
Subject: Horse Trial results...
Last weekend I competed in my first horse trial, on Donner. Donner is a
20 year old school horse I tkae lessons on. The old man and I came
in 5th. I am quite pleased. We had a bit of trouble in the dressage:
we got a very rushed start as the trailer got stuck in the mud on
arrival and I ended up rushing like crazy to make it to the dressage ring
My head was in totally the wrong place, and so was Donner's. With 15
minutes warm up we got into a ring that had been soaked all night in
rain. Except for a slipping in one corner, we did ok and came up with
a 5th in dressage. Cross-country and the stadium phase went as well
as they possibly could, so we ended up with our dressage score
and 2 time penalties X-country (10 sec. or so over the optimum?)
and that was that. I had a lot of fun, and judging from the
amount of whinnying and eagerness Donner showed, he enjoyed it too.
I got some of the Quick Silver shampoo and spot washed Donner the night
before. A lot of people who knew the horse couldn't recognize him
at all at the horse trial. That stuff works wonders on a dingy gray
coat.
I am still looking for a horse to buy. Haven't really seen anything
suitable yet, but after all the time I have waited, I don't need
to rush it now. I expect this month Sally Harden (my dressage instructor)
will have me actually looking at a couple.
Well, that's all for now.
-- Judy Grass
ulysses!jeg
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Date: Sun, 3 May 87 12:58:12 MDT
From: crs%[email protected] (Charlie Sorsby)
Subject: Hoof Dressing
Hi,
More years ago than I care to remember, I worked for a riding academy in
West Virginia where lessons were also given. Some of the students showed
in saddle-seat equitation and pleasure, etc.
The hoof preparation that we used was called Hoof Flex (or HooFlex or some
such). It isn't a hoof polish but rather a preparation to minimize drying
out of the hoof and keep it healthy. We used it not only to make the
hooves look nice when in the ring but routinely.
Basically, when we cleaned the horses (daily, whether showing or not) we
cleaned the hooves with a hoof pick, cleaned off any caked mud or such and
then applied hooflex with a paint brush to both the outside wall and the
sole, frog, etc. As I recall, the stuff contained lanolin and made the
hooves look a darker version of their natural color as oily preparations
will. When showing, we sometimes buff the wall with a rub-rag or a brush.
This left the hoof wall essentially its natural color but with a dull sheen
rather than a "spit shine." I, personally, find a high-gloss shine on the
hoof ugly.
The last time I saw an ad for the stuff I think it was being sold by the
same company that makes Absorbine.
Charlie Sorsby
[email protected]
[email protected]
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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 87 14:36:31 EST
From: Paulette Jones <pxjones@CRDEC-VAX4>
Subject: "Endotoxin"
Resent-Date: Fri, 8 May 87 15:24:06 EDT
Resent-From: Christopher C. Zukowski <cczukows@CRDEC-VAX4>
Resent-To: [email protected]
[To the Equestrian Digest Readers: The following note was sent to me by
a person to whom I have been forwarding the Digest. Please direct all
responses to her at, [email protected] and as well, add her name to the
mailing list. --Chris Zukowski]
----- Forwarded message # 1:
This Digest was especially interesting with all the "how to groom
white horses" articles. Do you ever send things in to this? If
you do, I have a question. Ask if anyone has experience with the
new "endotoxin" shot. We asked local vets and they can get it,
but no one has experience with it, whether it works or not.
Supposedly, the shot prevents the endotoxins from forming in a
colic case, and that is what sometimes kills the horse (it
poisons the blood) besides the gut stopping. Also, we heard it
works better for a young horse (less than 1 year) because his
immune system is already in high gear. The poems were nice too.
I have a cute poem I will have to dig up for you to send to them.
I'll bring that in and send it in a later message. I don't have
a Derby favorite. Who are you betting on? Have a good trip.
Paulette and the Nip
----- End of forwarded messages
--------------------
Date: Wed, 13 May 87 13:49 CDT
From: <SGF2528%[email protected]>
Subject: Region IX Championship Show
The Regional championship show for Arabians in region IX is in Dallas on
June 18-21st. I will be attending as a spectator and would like to meet
any of you out there who might be going as well. Let me here from you if
you plan to attend.
Gay Favor
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|
| 77.27 | May need help | COMET2::PAYNES | Payne Weber | Thu May 21 1987 14:28 | 5 |
| I would like to request to be a subscriber to this Eques. digest,
Ken. Thanks!! Not sure if I got this right????
steve
|
| 77.28 | Apologies ... | LDP::BELANGER | Boycott Boycotts! | Mon Nov 16 1987 11:58 | 15 |
| My apologies to the readers of this conference. I became
heavily involved in DECWorld '87 last spring and have just
returned from recuperative leave for back surgery. Beacuse of
this, my postings of the Equestrian Digest over the last few
months have not been timely; I hope to keep current from now
on.
RE: .27
Steve --
If you haven't obtained a subscription yet, please send me
mail. Ken sends me the issues and I post them here.
-Roland
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| 77.29 | Equestrian Digest Issue #56 | LDP::BELANGER | Boycott Boycotts! | Mon Nov 16 1987 12:00 | 416 |
| Equestrian Digest Wed 27 May 1987 Issue 56
Today's Topics:
Three New Readers
Carl's event
Subscription change
Introduction
Cheap TBs! Why?
New horse items, trailer loading
Etc.
Orienteering, its fun.
New Subscription
Practical Horseman, June 1987
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Date: Wed, 27 May 87 20:08:08 EDT
From: [email protected] (Equestrian Digest Coordinator)
Subject: Three New Readers
Reply-To: [email protected] (Ken Rossen)
Welcome, Judy, Connie and Vicky!
Vicky Chomo <[email protected]>,
Judy Daniluk <decvax!bunker!clunker!jdd>,
Connie Minnick <[email protected]>
--
Ken Rossen ...!{ihnp4,harvard,seismo}!bbnccv!horse-request
____or____ [email protected] -or- [email protected]
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Date: Tue, 19 May 87 10:36:18 EDT
From: [email protected]
Subject: Carl's event
On Sunday, May 17th, I took my horse to a Novice event sponsored by the
Fox River Valley Pony Club in Barrington, Illinois. It was an unregistered
event, designed to teach and encourage beginners. The main difference
between this event and a registered event is that this cross country had
fewer obstacles at maximum height. The other difference was that if you
were eliminated you could finish the show but you weren't eligible for a
ribbon. The dressage was Training Level Test 2 and the stadium jumping was,
as near as I could remember from watching many other Novice events, about
usual.
This was the horse's first time away from home in about a year, and he was
just as excited as could be by the strange surroundings and strange horses.
Despite a forty-five minute warmup for dressage, he was still skittish when
we went into the dressage arena. Consequently, we pretty much bounced
through the dressage test and the score showed it.
In warm up for cross country, the horse had lost all the spookiness he had
shown for dressage. The energy now showed itself as bold forward movement
and real snap over the practice fences. I was excited when we went into the
starter's box.
Our ride over the cross country started out just as I expected - not so well.
The horse sucked back a little at the first fence ( a vertical with several
horizontal bars below the top rail) but went over when I closed my legs hard.
The second fence was a brush box, which the horse had never seen before and so
he wanted nothing to do with it. We got eliminated here but kept going. The
third fence was a maximum height oxer, which I thought we weren't ready for
at this point in the course so I skipped it. The fourth jump was a big log
with a rail across the top. The horse jumped it big. The fifth jump was a
vertical (about 2'6") and presented no problem.
The sixth jump was a pen. There was a big log at about 2'6" and then two
strides to another log. There was a gate on the side in case you got over
the first log but couldn't get over the second. Judging from my horse's
reaction to it, the pen contained every mountain lion in North America. He
wouldn't go near it. I tried several times, but got a run-out every time.
We passed it up, and went for the seventh jump, a big log. He hesitated
a little before the jump, but jumped it big when I squeezed his sides with
my legs.
In the air over that fence, the horse apparently thought "Oh, so THIS is what
you want! Why didn't you say so?" and then started to move with a will.
The eighth obstacle was a ditch, which we had had trouble with at home, but
which he now took without a moment's hesitation. He just lengthened his stride
and we were over. The next obstacle was a big log pile from a field into the
woods. The horse refused because I brought him into it wrong. We turned around,
went back about ten yards, came into the fence squarely, and jumped it boldly.
Jumps ten, eleven, and twelve had given me some cause for concern when we were
walking the course. Ten was a maximum height vertical with several horizontal
cross bars below the top rail. However, it was around a slight curve in the
course so that we couldn't see it until we were about three strides from it.
Also, it was slanted back a little. Eleven was a stone wall with a rail on the
top. The problem here was the kennel about twenty yards to the right where the
hunt club keeps their hounds. I thought my horse would hear the hounds bark
and run for Iowa. Twelve was a big coop - when I walked the course it looked to
be about the size of a Volkswagen and I thought "Good grief!".
I shouldn't have worried. By this point the horse was *moving* and I had to
give constant half-halts to keep him under control. We took ten with no
problem at all. I didn't even notice eleven and twelve - the horse just
lengthened his stride and we were over. We forgot about the hounds completely.
Thirteen was a log pile going back into the woods. It presented no problem.
Fourteen was a big open oxer. The horse refused but I let him sniff it and
look at it for a second, turned back about fifteen yards, tried it again, and
he went over boldly. Fifteen was a zig-zag fence made out of railroad ties.
The horse refused, but again I let him look and sniff, tried it again, and
went over with a will.
The stadium jumping didn't go at all. We got ready and started off for our
round, but the horse refused the first jump three times and we were excused.
I think the horse didn't like the jump (a brush box) and was also trying to
tell me that he was hot, tired, and wanted to go home.
Despite the heat (~85) and despite getting eliminated about three times, I
enjoyed the show. I got out of it what I wanted - a good idea of where the
horse and I are and what we need to work on. I'm looking forward to the next
one.
Carl Deitrick
ihnp4!ihuxv!cbd
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Date: Tue 19 May 87 17:08:33
From: Anders Rantila <[email protected]>
Subject: Subscription change
Organization: Dept of Comp and Info Science, Univ of Linkoping, Sweden
Hello !
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I have been receiving this list for a while now, and more and more of
my friends at the CS dept have come to and asked me for a copy. We
(I and the postmaster) have decided that we are going to put this
mail-list as a bboard on our DEC-20, so all people can share 1 copy.
At the moment there are about 5-10 people who reads the list.
Please delete my address ([email protected]) from the list and
put [email protected] (or [email protected]) on the list.
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Date: Thu, 21 May 1987 16:24:30 EST
From: NETOPRSL%[email protected] (Susie)
Subject: Introduction
Hi,
This is a brief introduction to my interest in horses.
I've been fascinated by horses since I was 5 or 6 years old. Back then,
Flicka and Fury galloped across my t.v. set on Saturday mornings. After I
became more proficient at reading, I devoured the Black Stallion series
by Walter Farley. (My school librarian once told me that my reading
interests were too narrow because every book I checked out in elementary
school had something to do with horses.)
Unfortunately, my parents lived in the city and we could not afford
riding lessons. In junior high, I luckily became friends with a
pleasure horse rider. She competed around the state (N.C.) and
had earned several ribbons and trophies before she was 13. My first
real riding experience took place at her family's farm. Leslie (my friend)
brought out a shetland pony and bridled her. We had to go back home within
30 minutes, so she didn't bother saddling her. I hopped on and Lady took off
at a trot. Unfortunately, I didn't get as far because I bounced right off her
back end! Despite a semester of lessons here at State (taken 6 years ago),
I'm still a terrible rider.
My riding abilities (or lack thereof) bring me to another point. I still
do not own a horse, but someday hope to. Right now, I very occasionally
go trail riding (I only went twice in the past year.) Does anyone out
there know of any exercises I can do at home to strengthen my inner
thighs and aid my balance. The only 'gym' equipment I have at home is
a basic flat weight bench and a bicycle. One exercise suggested by a friend
seems to help. It consists of sitting on the weight bench and simulating
posting. This seems to strengthen the right muscles in my legs. I realize
that the best way to improve my riding is practice (and lots of it), but
I'm just looking for something to help until I have more time and a full-time
job that can support my habit. (Right now I work part-time with the
Computing Center while I'm finishing up my undergrad degree.)
Thanks,
Susie Lee [email protected]
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From: [email protected]
Date: Fri, 22 May 87 03:45:28 EDT
Subject: Cheap TBs! Why?
Our latest horse frivolity was to go the the Mixed Thoroughbred Sale
held at the big local horse auction barn. They sold 100+ TBs May 18.
We only stayed for the first 50 because we had to get an early start
the next morning. It was surprising how many nice broodmares sold for
under $1000 with a foal at side and a breeding or already bred again.
A really nice two-year old with very elastic gaits went for $2000. A
fancy filly ready to race was <$6000. One 4-year-old gelding who had
done novice eventing went for $2400.
I don't know, the auctioneer acted at though he thought the bids
should have been higher (but auctioneers do that sort of thing). Do
these prices seem low for auctioned horses? Sure, many of them were
broodstock horses. But some of those mares were only 6 years old.
Some had obvious problems, but others looked like they could become
good using horses. And bloodlines included racing names like
Secretariat, Bold Ruler, Najinsky, Tom Fool. So why were they so
cheap, anybody explain it? No, we didn't buy any. John threatened to
buy one if an experienced dressage horse went for $500, but that
didn't happen while we watched. The most delightfully named horse to
be sold that evening was a gelding called Hoofda.
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From: [email protected]
Date: Fri, 22 May 87 03:45:33 EDT
Subject: New horse items, trailer loading
Time to bring our friends up-to-date on the happenings in Minnesota.
We went to a raft of tack swaps and auctions held here in early
spring. We have several new bits (very good bits are available cheap
at our local tack swaps). I bought a hardly-used Stubben eventing
saddle (a Diana with double surcingle girths). The girths are very
secure, they keep the saddle from slipping on Imp's somewhat round
back, but they do not detach, a problem in terms of cleaning the
girths regularly.
We also bought a trailer. I watched quite closely when Ray Hunt
demonstrated at the local Horse Expo how to load a problem horse. I
have gotten Imp to put his front feet in without too much fear, but
when I put his dinner in the manger and coax him all the way in he
panics after a few bites and backs out fast. We're working on it,
there seems to be hope but it takes time. I also need to fashion a
full head protection hood. Imp has scraped fur off both his poll and
nose from panicky exits. I figure a full head hood lined with foam
rubber and fastened to his halter should provide some protection. He
also gets all four legs wrapped for his practice sessions.
The next thing we are hoping to buy is a farm. We have looked at
several, but none was quite what we wished. Later in May we are going
to view a foreclosed property of Farm Credit Service in western
Wisconsin. It has 40 acres, a modest house, and a couple of pole
barns. Might work. $52,500 is a good price for our area. We are
going to see the same day a property with 120 acres, an indoor arena
measuring 90 by 140 and a lovely house. The $200,000 price is a lot
of money, but it might be possible. That property's owners are
retiring from the horse business. Comments on what one should look
for when considering buying a horse farm would be very welcome.
Although we have bought one house, we are still novices. All
sugestions on the topic are welcome.
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From: [email protected]
Date: Fri, 22 May 87 13:32:19 EDT
Subject: Etc.
From: Robin Crickman, ...caip!meccts!foundln!robin
For those who enjoy fantasy and science fiction works, the author of
TEA WITH A BLACK DRAGON, R.A. Macavoy has written an enjoyable horse
fantasy called THE GRAY HORSE. It is set in early 20th century
Ireland. The title horse is a Connemara and he is a major character in
the story. Not great literature, but there are some nice scenes.
Macavoy certainly knows her jumping and dressage, probably does
eventing.
John's horse Toncho is making a good recovery from the nasty ankle cut
he suffered early this spring. Imp is suffering from a fungus
infection of the skin (vet says rain rot). It is hard to get rid of.
I can kill an individual patch easily using iodine shampoo, but
another appears the next time I check the horse. He's a pasture horse
in a large herd. Anybody got suggestions on what might clear this
permanently? He also has a vast collection of ticks, especially on his
tail. I treat him with insect repellant before I ride and when I bring
him back, but his tail is still full of sores the next time I see him
(usually 2 days later). If anyone can suggest something that works on
ticks, please tell me. Tell us all for that matter.
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From: [email protected]
Date: Fri, 22 May 87 13:33:14 EDT
Subject: Orienteering, its fun.
We had a miniature Competitive Mounted Orienteering session at our
farm last month and it was a great deal of fun. One of our boarders
is an avid Orienteering rider and she decided to organize this
session. There were only 6 markers to find, but that was enough for a
group out to have fun.
The fastest time was two who had orienteered before. They finished in
just under two hours. The slowest found only two markers and were out
until our stable owner announced that the turkey dinner she had
prepared for all of us was ready. We all worked in groups of 2 or 3.
The organizer gave each person a map and each group a compass. We
rode to the areas indicated on the map (that wasn't hard since we all
knew the farm pretty well) and then tried to find the marker using the
compass directions and the landmark clues given.
John and I found all six markers (actually he found all of them, all I
found was a couple of landmarks). It took us about 2.5 hours. That
was third place. We might have done better if I had been a bit more
willing to trot and canter. My rump was still sore from the 20 miles
of trail riding I had done the day before.
I would have to commend orienteering to you, especially for those who
want something that riders of varying skill can all enjoy together on
a pretty afternoon. Its a perfect excuse to ride all over the
countryside, takes fewer resources than a foxhunt and doesn't require
that riders proceed any faster than they wish (you probably won't win
if you walk your horse all the way, but you can still be part of the
activity). State forests make wonderful places to hold orienteering if
a large piece of private land is not available.
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Date: Fri, 22 May 87 10:37:36 EDT
From: Paulette Jones <pxjones@CRDEC-VAX4>
Subject: New Subscription
Ken...
I received the sampler issues. Thanks. They were fun to read.
I have had a horse since 1978. Just a plain grey gelding that I
can do anything with and he doesn't get rattled. I am stablemaster
of an Army Saddle Club with 20 privately owned horses boarded there.
This is a volunteer position, so sometimes it's not much fun. But
I get to talk to everyone during each week, and we get some interesting
horsey stories that way. Also, being in a barn with 20 horses from
all over (one came from Australia when it's Army owner was transferred
here), we get a variety of "diseases" and "symptoms" that keeps we
civilians who are here forever learning constantly about horses.
Also, we always have trustworthy friends to take care of our horses
when we go away. We have a nice barn and 20 acres of barb wire fenced
pastures. We have fought with the Army about that one since I've been
here. Last year we got permission to buy smooth wire, but we have to
install it ourselves (which we are). Sometimes we order a stall gate
latch and I get a screen door latch. I just send it back and we wait
another 6 weeks for the correct thing (sometimes we never get it).
Oh how we all wish for a few acres of our own. Keep the Digests coming.
I understand Chris sent my question about the endotoxemia shot. Our
local vets don't have any experience with the shot, so some of our
members that wanted to use it are holding back until we hear more about
it. What I know is it may prevent the endotoxins that form during
colic from forming. Also, supposedly it works better on young horses
(6 months), because their immune system is in high gear anyway. Sorry,
I'm getting wordy. I look forward to my own Digests coming. Thanks.
Paulette J
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From: [email protected]
Date: Wed, 27 May 87 05:11:38 EDT
Subject: Practical Horseman, June 1987
Here is another magazine table of contents. Statements in [ ] are my
additions. Feel free to send queries if you want to know more about a
particular listed item, I'll try to assist.
Robin Crickman, ...caip!meccts!foundln!robin
Practical Horseman (Volume 15, number 6), June 1987
FEATURES
Tim Kees: Making The Course Your Friend. The finals-winning equitation
trainer shares his unique strategy for turning tough jumps into allies.
Endurance Riding: Take Only Memories, Leave Only Hoofprints. The tale
of a grueling hundred miles through the Blue Ridge Mountains, told by a
member of one competitor's support crew.
Buying Feed By The Label. What can you learn about the contents of a bag
of feed from its package? More than you think...when you know how to read
between the lines.
Checklist. What's Wrong With This Picture? How many poor leading practices
can you spot?
Step-by-step. Olin Armstrong, Breaking Your Colt. Using this leading
horseman's low-key method, you can take your colt from saddling to low
fences without fuss, and without even the aid of an assistant. Lesson
two: Leaving the stall.
DEPARTMENTS
Confirmation Clinic with Champ Hough [3 young TB's]
Saddle Ways and Bridle Whys. Olympic eventer Torrance Watkins Fleischmann
on correcting a horse that gets strong cross-country; all-around trainer
Charlie Hutton prescribes remedies for a bored pleasure horse; from
veterinarian Steve Soule, advice on intermittent lameness.
Forum: Hunter-jumper trainer Dana Douglass Jungherr, pleasure trainer
Steve Heckaman, and dressage competitor Carol Lavell on the best way
to use draw reins.
Idea Exchange [Making a haynet hanger.]
Jumping Clinic with George Morris [regular feature wherein Morris criticizes
riders from photographs they send in]
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End of Equestrian Digest
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| 77.30 | Equestrian Digest Issue #57 | LDP::BELANGER | Boycott Boycotts! | Mon Nov 16 1987 12:04 | 386 |
| Equestrian Digest Mon 22 Jun 1987 Issue 57
Today's Topics:
Digest News
Introduction
things equestrian
Equestrian Digest
Re: Equestrian Digest
Pleasure horse wanted - Boston area
Introduction
Equestrian Periodicals
Add Request
Equestrian Digest Sampler #5
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 87 17:43:24 EDT
From: [email protected] (Equestrian Digest Coordinator)
Subject: Digest News
Reply-To: [email protected] (Ken Rossen)
Five new people are now subscribing to the Digest.
Patt Haring <[email protected]>,
Andy Reho <[email protected]>,
Catherine Ross <[email protected]>,
Bev Sobelman <[email protected]>,
David Sturman <[email protected]>
Welcome!
Those of you who receive USENET newsgroups and especially those
of you within the "inet" distribution should note the following
new developments in Internet-land.
There is a new newsgroup, "rec.equestrian", created specifically
for the purpose of taking the mailing list load off of some Internet
sites, in particular those using NNTP over the Internet. There is
a Digest/newsgroup gateway at Berkeley. If you have "rec.equestrian"
at your site you are probably in the "inet" distribution.
What does this mean if you are? It means that you don't have to
subscribe to the Digest any more in order to see the articles unless
you want to. "rec.equestrian" will get everything the Digest does,
but it won't get "digested" and therefore appears without delay.
Digest administrative messages like these, obviously, have no reason
to appear in rec.equestrian. If you want to unsubscribe to the Digest
because you get rec.equestrian, send me mail.
What does this mean if you don't get rec.equestrian (or USENET at all)?
It means that starting with this Digest issue you will see articles that
come from people who aren't on my subscription list but whose articles
were gatewayed here from the Berkeley. But you needn't do anything,
just keep contributing, and the Digest will continue to appear to function
just as before.
What if you don't get rec.equestrian but wish you did? Well, if you
aren't an Internet NNTP site you will have to wait until someone
mounts a campaign to expand the distribution of rec.equestrian to "world"
(I haven't the time for this at the moment). However, this development
makes that future transition a lot easier, for it allows me to continue
to maintain the mailing list for those without USENET using an established
mechanism.
Thanks for wading through this long message. If you have any questions
about this, please write to me at [email protected].
--
Ken Rossen ...!{ihnp4,harvard,seismo}!bbnccv!horse-request
____or____ [email protected] -or- [email protected]
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Date: Thu, 28 May 1987 21:55:18 EST
From: NETOPRVC%[email protected]
Subject: Introduction
I am another "horseless" subscriber. When I was 10 we moved
from the Bay Area (San Francisco) to a small mountain town
in Northern California (2500 people). My family couldn't
afford a horse, but that didn't prevent me from learning to
ride! Everyone knew that Anne Chomo's daughter was willing
to take care of animals for $1 a week while you were on
vacation. My summers were spent milking goats, collecting
eggs, feeding and exercising horses and giving love to family
cats and dogs while their people were away. I am a devout
animal lover and am forever grateful for the hands-on experience
I received. Outside of taking care of people's livestock while
they were out of town, I had the good fortune of riding every
nasty, onery, trickster critter in town. People let me ride
the horses and ponies they and their children could not. I've
been run under limbs, run away with, bucked off, you name it,
they did it to me. Most of my riding experience was bareback.
I also rode in gymkhanas with the local 4-H club. I worked one
summer in High School as a wrangler for a Dude ranch and had the
pleasure (?) of being the first to ride 10 strange horses after
they came off winter range. I have no "English" experience but
would love to take dressage lessons as soon as time and money
allow. I am currently putting myself through college (1 year
away from Ph.D.). When I graduate I will definitely own horse(s).
I have always been in love with the Arabian breed. As a westerner
I have grown up with Quarter horses and favor them as well. If
I become involved in events, it will be Endurance trials since all
my experience comes from riding the wild country of the Klamath
mountains. Anybody out there ride in Endurance trials and have
tips for would-be beginners?
Vicky Chomo
P.S. A good magazine for the western rider is the California Horse
Review. It contains features on top horses (Quarter and Arabian)
as well as training tips.
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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 87 13:19:32 EDT
From: Patt Haring <[email protected]>
Subject: things equestrian
I'm a fairly new user on THE BIG ELECTRIC CAT a public access UNIX
system in New York and am interested in being put on your mailing
list; my daughter (10 years old) and I ride out of Winterbrook Riding
Center in Pine Brook, New Jersey whenever we can; she participates
in shows, I do not but rather enjoy riding for the sheer enjoyment of
doing it.
Thanks.
Patt Haring {allegra,philabs,cmcl2}!phri\
Big Electric Cat Public Unix {bellcore,harpo,cmcl2}!cucard!dasys1!patth
New York, NY, USA {philabs}!tg/
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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 87 05:02:22 EDT
From: [email protected] (Patt Haring)
Subject: Equestrian Digest
Hi Ken!
I just loved issue number 55, which I received; so glad you were able
to add me to your mailing list so quickly. I'm going to print it out
and take it with me this weekend to share with the riders at The
Independent Riding Club of NY and NJ; we ride out of Winterbrook
Riding Center in Pinebrook, NJ and also out of Jamaica Bay Riding
Academy in New York. Some of our riders are computer nuts like me
and I know I'll be fielding questions about how they can get their
own issues; you may get requests from some strange places - many
of them work for banks, insurance companies, law firms, etc. - too
bad you can't put this on NewsNet. Friends of mine who write
NetWeaver, a totally electronically produced publication (no printed
forms available) got an award for their publication.
Just thought I'd share this with you:
three years ago two of my family members died traumatically and it
left a big void in my 7 year old daughter's life; she was devastated
and almost lost her balance for awhile - we tried everything, shrinks,
doctors, playgroups, ballet, gymnastics, etc. nothing was working to
help her get her bearings.
Flew out to Palm Springs, where she was born, and thought I'd take her
riding through the desert - she loved it! First time on a horse and
she was galloping away - not scared at all. We returned to the East
Coast and I started her with a series of riding lessons - she's been
gung ho ever since. Can't tell you how true that book is about
Girls & Their Special Relationship With Horses. She doesn't yet
own her own horse but has gone back into modelling and doing commercials
here in NY to save enough money to buy one for herself. I really
don't mind paying for lessons, shows and equipment but she really
must be responsible enough to care for her own horse before I'll let
her have one.
Thanks again for your quick reply.
best,
patt
Patt Haring {allegra,philabs,cmcl2}!phri\
Big Electric Cat Public Unix {bellcore,harpo,cmcl2}!cucard!dasys1!patth
New York, NY, USA {philabs}!tg/
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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 87 06:10:44 EDT
From: [email protected] (Patt Haring)
Subject: Re: Equestrian Digest
Wouldn't mind at all if you included the account concerning my daughter into
one of your Digest issues. The SYSOP here on The Big Electric Cat asked
me if I subscribed to mail.horse and I said no, that I just sent email to
you asking to be put on the mailing list. The only issue I received was
number 55 together with a welcome message from you; the other issues you
sent must have been lost in transit. I really think you should start a
newsgroup. I've asked the Sysop here if we could post the issues of
Equestrian Digest in cat.mag where we keep all the electronic publications;
hope you don't mind.
We have a new foal at the barn - mare is a thoroughbred and the stallion is
a Trakehner; the new colt is beautiful; born on Good Friday so he got
five Easter baskets from some of the kids in the barn as a welcome along
with mylar balloons. My daughter, who usually brings 8 bags of carrots
(sliced, so they don't go too fast) is now using my food processor to
grate/shred carrots for the colt - arrrgghhh!
I luv it!
best,
patt
Patt Haring {allegra,philabs,cmcl2}!phri\
Big Electric Cat Public Unix {bellcore,harpo,cmcl2}!cucard!dasys1!patth
New York, NY, USA {philabs}!tg/
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From: [email protected] (Beverly H. Sobelman)
Newsgroups: ne.wanted,rec.pets
Subject: Pleasure horse wanted - Boston area
Date: 16 Jun 87 13:27:46 GMT
Reply-To: [email protected] (Sobelman)
Distribution: ne
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford, Mass.
Haven't seen too much horse-related discussion in the news, but it's
worth a try . . .
After six years out of the horse world, I'm ready to get back in, and
I'm looking for a beast to start with - gelding preferably, around 5-9
years old, not necessarily for showing but more pleasure riding, both
English and Western. I'm partial to Quarter Horses and Morgans, but
will consider just about any breed; about 15.2 hands would be
perfect. I'd also consider a lease or just sharing care and training
- I just want to start being around a barn again!
Thanks in advance . . .
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| [email protected] |
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| "Laugh while you can, monkey-boy!" - E. Lizardo |
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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 87 15:36:54 edt
From: [email protected] (Sobelman)
Full-Name: Sobelman
Posted-From: The MITRE Corp., Bedford, MA
Subject: Introduction
Greetings, all!
I have just been deluged by all the archived digests, and am currently
kicking myself for not getting involved sooner. Seems like a great
group to be in!
As for myself, I've been riding since I was 5 or so, starting with
English lessons back in PA. At 11 I had one of those
little-girl's-dreams-come-true -- my folks moved to a ranch in
northern CA, complete with horses. I spent 7 years there, working my
way up through a series of horses, from the old Appy mare ("Betty") I
took to 4H shows, to a fantastic AQHA gelding I took to Jr. Grand
Nationals in SF. I had to sell T.C. (aka School Boy's Beau) when I
came to college on the east coast (Wellesley, for anyone interested),
but I kept in touch with his owner until recently, when she resold
him. Even after 5 years, I still miss him.
Since coming east, my horse activities have been minimal. I was a
riding counselor for one summer at a camp in Connecticut, and I spent
last summer back in CA working with my old trainer (teaching some
lessons, doing some training and exercising), but otherwise not much.
I'd really like to change all that, though, so I'm hoping to make some
horse connections in the Boston area and start riding again. I'd love
to hear from anyone in the area (I'm in Arlington, MA), especially
anyone with a horse they need some help with! I ride English and
Western, but am a cowhand at heart - bareback is best!
Hope to hear from you,
Bev Sobelman
[email protected]
(617) 271-7754
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Date: 15 Jun 87 19:18:35 GMT
From: [email protected] (Jennifer Moore)
Organization: Theory Center, Cornell U., Ithaca NY
Subject: Equestrian Periodicals
Hello all,
What are your favorite equestrian periodicals? I currently subscribe
to three--EQUUS, Practical Horseman and The Hackney Journal.
I've been receiving EQUUS since it's inception in 1977. Someone
"borrowed" my first and sixth issues, so I can't claim to have the
whole set right now (issue 6 is no longer in print, so if someone
has one I'd be real interested in purchasing it!). EQUUS has been
a great learning resource over the years, and I've referred to back
issues for information on specific topics many times.
Practical horseman is a more recent acquisition. It has excellent
articles and features, and keeps a good balance between training and
special interest and horse health. It is geared toward english rather
than western. There is a "twin" publication which is geared toward
western, although I can't remember the title now.
The Hackney Journal is a breed magazine, as it implies. It is
full of glossies and farm ads, and includes news from regional branches
of the American Hackney Horse Association. I subscribe to this one
mostly for fun, and to see "who's who"! :) On one particularly egotistical
whim, I did publish my pony's picture though, so I'm not entirely innocent!
My interests include (but are not limited to) dressage, jumping,
pleasure driving, and saddleseat. :) I currently own a pleasure
Hackney Pony mare (not a high-stepper like the fine harness types).
She is alot of fun! Since I can't afford to board two horses, but
want to ride more than anything, I started "Kit" under saddle last
year at the ripe old age of eleven! She's doing great, but I'm
learning a whole new meaning to the word "balance" (a 50" pony's
center of balance is *tiny*!) :)
Enough blab... I'd be interested in hearing about others'
favorite periodicals, or suggestions about additional reading
about my current interests.
Ahhh, almost time to get out of here and go to the barn!!
Jennifer Moore
[email protected]
[email protected]
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Full-Name: Andrew Reho
Organization: The MITRE Corp., Washington, D.C.
Subject: Add Request
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 87 14:18:31 EDT
From: [email protected]
Please add me to your net mailing list; my primary area of interest
is Combined Training.
Thanks,
Andy
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 87 04:00:40 EDT
From: [email protected] (Patt Haring)
Subject: Equestrian Digest Sampler #5
Hi Ken and Karen,
I received samplers 1 thru 4; there was some trouble with sampler issue
number 5. I'd appreciate it if you resent it to me. What I have done
is post >all< of the issues I've received in cat.mag, our group of
electronic newsletters because New York University and Brooklyn College
here in New York both have riding teams. Marc Schumacher, Director of
The Independent Riding Club of New York/New Jersey has been the coach
of the NYU team and they went to the regionals this year!!! [grin]
Marc also puts out a newsletter, alas in printed form, and I'd like to
type in some articles from it if you think your readers would be interested
and also tell them about the IRC. Marc has also trained some FBI agents
who will be going to Ronald Reagan's California ranch with him when he
is no longer the President. There's a new foal at the Winterbrook
Riding Center where Marc keeps half the horses (half are kept at Jamaica
Bay Riding Center in Brooklyn) and I'd love to tell you about him -
the mare is a thoroughbread, the stallion a Traekehner (sp?) and the
colt is just beautiful!
Hope to hear from you soon.
Best,
--
Patt Haring ..!cmc12!phri!dasys1!patth
Big Electric Cat Public Access Unix
New York, NY, USA
"It's man's mission to learn to understand." -- Vannevar Bush
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| 77.31 | Equestrian Digest Issue #58 | LDP::BELANGER | Boycott Boycotts! | Mon Nov 16 1987 12:08 | 227 |
| Equestrian Digest Fri 17 Jul 1987 Issue 58
Today's Topics:
Mailing List
the search continues
new foal
Tricks?
Introduction
Riding-related knee problems
foxhunting in Massachusetts
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 87 14:45:04 EDT
From: [email protected] (Equestrian Digest Coordinator)
Subject: Mailing List
Reply-To: [email protected] (Ken Rossen)
Joyce has a new address,
Joyce E. Nachimson <harvard!umb!ileaf!io!wilbur!joyce>
And we have a new redistribution point at Data General and a bunch of
new subscribers. Welcome!
Judy Curtis <seismo!nbisos!nbifet!judy>,
Rob Davenport <[email protected]>,
James Evans <[email protected]>,
David Grucza <[email protected]>,
Walt Lazear <[email protected]>,
Peter Maisel <[email protected]>,
Pete Mallinson <QQ15%[email protected]>,
Camille Thorn <[email protected]>
--
Ken Rossen ...!{ihnp4,harvard,seismo}!bbnccv!horse-request
____or____ [email protected] -or- [email protected]
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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 87 08:21:14 edt
From: [email protected] (Sobelman)
Full-Name: Sobelman
Posted-From: The MITRE Corp., Bedford, MA
Subject: the search continues
Just to follow up on the first message I posted, which was originally
to rec.equestrian and other "wanted" groups on USENET - that's why I
commented about not seeing much about horses in the news. I am indeed
still looking at horses around Boston, either to buy or lease, and so
far have seen an interesting variety. One thing I have noticed is
that either horse prices have gone up, or people around here have an
inflated notion of what their beasts are worth. I looked at a
9-year-old dapple gray Arab/QH gelding, who was built well enough and
seemed reasonably calm, but he coughed quite a bit in the arena,
wasn't overly collected at any gait, ate everything in sight on the
trail, and didn't know what I meant when I asked him to back - and
he's priced at $1800! Am I nuts, or is he a bit overrated?
But I have been enjoying myself immensely just being around barns
again, talking horses, and I've done more riding in the last week than
I have all year! As I said in my last posting, I am hoping to meet
more horse-people around Boston - especially anyone who has more
horses than they have time for or who needs a riding companion!
Oh, almost forgot - after a little horse-shopping around here, I
realize that there are a few differences from looking in CA - the main
being health and shots, since I'm not familiar with the shots
necessary on the east coast. Anyone care to give me a quick rundown
on what to check for?
Thanks much,
Bev
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| Bev Sobelman |
| [email protected] |
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 87 15:32 CDT
From: <SGF2528%[email protected]>
Subject: new foal
I have another new baby born on May 27th. A beautiful chestnut colt by
High Country out of Commander's Virginia Rose . . . his name is Natural
High . . . quite appropriate I thought!! He is an American Saddlebred
and is quite different from what I'm used to with my Arabian foals, but
very pretty, nevertheless. He hit the ground with the whites of his
eyes showing, in true Saddlebred tradition. And, by the way, NONE of
the traditional Saddlebred treatment is done at my farm. Mine are used
only for crossing with Arabians. This makes horse number 24 at my place.
ARRRGGHHHHH!! My vet/farrier/feedstore loves me!!
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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 87 16:16:41 PDT
From: Gary <[email protected]>
Subject: Tricks?
Has anyone out there had any experience teaching their
horses to do "stupid people-tricks" like rolling-over,
playing dead, and rearing on command?
Nothing dangerous though. Not like the Hollywood stunt-horses
do. I'm looking for interesting and cute tricks...
Gary
(hplabs,allegra,ihnp4)oliveb!oliven!gnome
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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 87 03:26 ADT
From: <SXSDT%[email protected]>
Subject: Introduction
Hi,
I guess now I'm supposed to introduce myself now that I survived all the
samplers.
I moved up here to Alaska about 2 years ago from a small town in Southern
California. I've always loved horses and had a lot to do with them, but
always from the ground. I started actually riding when I got up here. I
don't think I'm your normal subscriber as I only ride western and would never
own anything other than a quarter horse or paint horse (possibly an appy).
I don't own a horse now, but am getting ready to buy one.
I live at a boarding stable here, but due to financial reasons, the owner
doesn't board many horses anymore.
I've worked on my share of cattle ranches, but I never encountered the
problems we have up here. You've never lived until you come face to face
with a 2000 pound Grizzly looking for a meal (no, there is not a horse alive
that can outrun a Grizzly, no matter how scared he is). Walking into a moose
is a humbling experience too (moose up here often stand 7 1/2 feet at the
shoulder). We have an incredibly high rate of colic and nine months of the
year you're riding on a slick sheet of ice. Luckily, we have some of the
best vets and horse shoers I've ever seen. I can find out anything you ever
wanted to know about ice shoes and the like.
We have a lot of horse shows (I'm a pretty fair groom) and rodeos in the
summer. We also just started having nationaly sanctioned endurance races
thanks to the help of a friend of mine who happens to be on the board of
directors for the AERC.
Anyway, I'm looking forward to learning a lot.
Shawn Todd
University of Alaska, Anchorage
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Date: 10 Jul 87 16:42:34 GMT
From: [email protected] (Pat Wilson)
Organization: AT&T System Admin, Uva. Med Center
Subject: Riding-related knee problems
Well - let's see if there's anyone out here...
I've been riding hunt seat off and on for about 15 years now
(never getting *too* good, more's the pity), and have recently
developed knee problems. I've been to a couple of orthopedics,
and the diagnosis has been "chrondomalacia" (which seems to mean
"we don't know WHAT it is"). I've been going to the University's
athletic trainer for over two months now, with no appreciable
results (*I* think my knees are getting worse!). Whenever I
ride, my knees swell up and are very sore the next day (or two).
(K)Needless to say, this isn't a great thing. I've had to stop
riding completely for the past month and a half, and I'm sitting
around getting fat and frustrated. Has anyone else had knee
problems associated with riding (and NOT caused by an injury)?
If so, what did you do?
I also wonder if dressage might be easier on my knees. The last
time I rode, I went without stirrups in the hopes that that would
take most of the pressure off, but I guess I irritated them
enough by posting, because they were sore and puffy the next day.
No one has told me whether I'm doing actual structural damage to
the knee when I get it upset, and if I find that I'm not, I'd
rather live with the pain than give up riding.
So - any opinions? I'm trying to go to yet another doctor, but
he's on vacation until the end of next week (and I probably won't
be able to get to see him until August, anyway, the way these
things work...).
--
Pat Wilson
AT&T Systems Administrator, UVa Medical School
[email protected] || seismo!virginia!paw3c || [email protected]
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Date: 15 Jul 87 04:39:28 GMT
From: [email protected] (David J. Sturman)
Organization: MIT Media Lab, Cambridge, MA
Subject: foxhunting in Massachusetts
Hi! My name is Sue Sturman and I'm moving to Cambridge, Mass. August 1.
I've been involved with foxhunting here in New York, as a member for 2
years of the Hidden Hollow Hunt Club out of Holmdel, N.J., and I'm a social
member of the recently revived Abington Hills Hunt in Dalton, PA. I'd very
much like to continue hunting in the Boston area, but I don't know anyone who
is a member who could sponsor me, introduce me around, etc. I would also need
to be able to hack (preferabley one horse consistently...maybe a share??--
dollars permitting), as I don't currently own my own. I'm used to hunting
live,
but as I'm not in it for the blood sport of it, but rather for the opportunity
to ride out in the country and do the jumping, and for the social aspects,
a drag hunt would be great, too.
Alternately, or in addition, I'd be interested in finding a good stable for
hacking and lessons, within a reasonable driving distance from
Boston/Cambridge.
Any information on either of these options would be appreciated. Reply mail to
my husband, David Sturman.
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| 77.32 | Equestrian Digest Issue #59 | LDP::BELANGER | Boycott Boycotts! | Mon Nov 16 1987 12:09 | 479 |
| Equestrian Digest Mon 24 Aug 1987 Issue 59
Today's Topics:
Subscription List
Young equestrian
Olympic Festival
John and Robin go to a horse trial
Midwest Federal Grand Prix Results
Practical Horseman, September 1987
Re: Practical Horseman, September 1987
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Date: Mon, 24 Aug 87 10:50:44 EDT
From: [email protected] (Equestrian Digest Coordinator)
Subject: Subscription List
Reply-To: [email protected] (Ken Rossen)
Sorry it's taken me so long to get another issue out. Traffic had been
light for many weeks, and I have been busy with work, travel and vacation.
(Not to mention horse stuff and the summer show season!)
New subscribers:
David Baslie <[email protected]>,
Dave Caplan <[email protected]>,
Joan Upham <[email protected]>,
Dieter Zebbedies <decvax!cwruecmp!zhmti!mail.horse>
Ania has moved from BBN to DEC:
Ania O'Brien <obrien%[email protected]>
If I have been remiss in answering your mail, I'm sorry. Bug me again if
you think I may have forgotten about you. Thanks for your patience. Enjoy.
And keep contributing! Anyone else doing fun stuff this summer?
--
Ken Rossen ...!{ihnp4,harvard,seismo}!bbnccv!horse-request
____or____ [email protected] -or- [email protected]
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Date: 11 Aug 87 14:55:17 GMT
From: [email protected] (Jennifer Moore)
Organization: Theory Center, Cornell U., Ithaca NY
Subject: Young equestrian
Hello? Is anybody out there?
I own a 12 year old Hackney Pony mare, and have an 8 year old niece
who LOVES horses and wants to learn to ride. I'd like to give her
the opportunity that I didn't have as an 8 year old, but have little
experience teaching and even less experience with an 8 year old. :)
Kit is trained for pleasure driving, after being started as a
roadster in her younger years. She is a very good pony, but can
have moments of very high spirit, as it typical of the breed. She
was started under saddle last year, and has come a remarkably long
way in such a short time. She is balanced and consistent in all
three gaits, attentive, and sensitive to back and leg aids. She
is inconsistent with bit contact, however. She is well-muscled
and extremely handy--able to stop and turn on a dime without any
loss of balance. I took her over her first fences two weeks ago (1.5').
Tina had her first lesson with Kit last week, and both of them did
very well. We practiced grooming and leading. Tina's attention
span was interrupted only twice in two hours, and Kit was amazingly
attentive to Tina's handling. I was quite proud of both of them! :)
This week we will be practicing what we learned last week, but the
following week we will probably mount up. I would welcome any hints
or helpful information on how to go about this! My primary concern
is for safety, of course. (Yes, we have a hardhat for Tina.) I'm
concerned about Kit's occasional phases of high energy, although I
consider her otherwise safe (her favorite gait is ROAD TROT!) :)
I'm planning to have a longeline attached, but how do I prepare
Tina to deal with this? And how much faith can I put in her ability
to compensate with her balance and stay on, should Kit decide to
move quickly?
I realize this is probably vague and doesn't include many things
that I've already taken into consideration. Please feel free to
offer any suggestions (or criticisms). I'm open to any information
I can get, to give Tina and Kit the best possible opportunity to
learn together.
Jennifer Moore
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1987 13:36:07 EST
From: NETOPRSL%[email protected] (Susie)
Subject: Olympic Festival
(Warning - this article is a little long)
I attended the equestrian events at the 1987 U. S. Olympic
Festival in Raleigh and thought some of you might be interested
in the progress of Olympic hopefuls. The Festival conducted
competitions in dressage and jumping from July 23 through July 26.
Everyone performed exceptionally well considering we were in the
middle of a heat wave at the time with highs in the mid to upper
90's and a lot of humidity.
Dressage
I had only attended English-type horse shows before this,
and the delicate coordination between horse and rider amazed me.
The riders and horses for each team were:
Pamela Goodrich on "St. Laurent", Ann Guptill on "Maple
Magnum", and Carol Lavell on "In The Black" for the East
team. (Incidently, Carol Lavell was still recovering from
a back injury and had to wear a brace throughout the
competition. She had fractured two vertebrae June 8 while
training a new horse.)
Dennis Callin on "Zorn", Jaye Cherry on "Romano", and
Kamilla duPont on "Nebelhorn" for the West team.
Jane Savoie on "Jolicouer", Anne Gribbons on "Kristall",
and Jerry Schwartz on "Piconne" for the North team.
Ellin Dixon on "Windsor", Nancy Polozker on "Klee", and
Nancy Smith on "Felit" for the South team.
The group competition took place on July 23 at the Prix
St-Georges level. Each rider could earn 1900 possible points
for a team total of 5700 possible points. Carol Lavell led
the East team to victory with strong support by her teammates
Pamela Goodrich and Ann Guptill who finished third and fifth
respectively in the individual scoring. Ellin Dixon finished
second in the individual scoring to bring her team in for the
silver. The team results were :
East team total = 3704 percentage = 64.98
South team total = 3565 percentage = 62.54
North team total = 3483 percentage = 61.10
West team total = 3465 percentage = 60.79
The individual competition took place on July 24 at the
Intermediate I level. This event also determined eligibility for
the Pan-American squad. Each competitor could earn 1400 possible
points. Ellin Dixon gave a wonderful performance to take the gold,
followed by Carol Lavell and Ann Guptill. The results from
both competitions follow:
Group Dressage Individual Dressage
Rider Total Percentage Total Percentage
---------------------------------------------------------
C. Lavell 1254 66.00 933 66.64
A. Guptill 1229 64.68 901 64.36
P. Goodrich 1221 64.26 860 61.43
E. Dixon 1242 65.37 938 67.00
N. Polozker 1211 63.74 886 63.29
N. Smith 1112 58.53 819 58.50
J. Schwartz 1187 62.47 882 63.00
J. Savoie 1149 60.47 796 56.86
A. Gribbons 1147 60.37 798 57.00
D. Callin 1229 64.68 867 61.93
J. Cherry 1121 59.00 785 56.07
K. duPont 1115 58.68 805 57.50
Jumping
The N.C. State Fairgrounds Hunt Horse Complex is rather small
for a jumping competition, but, nevertheless, they are held there.
Seats for both jumping events were oversold, and we ended up
with people sitting on our feet both days. Many of the horses
seemed very nervous on both days, possibly on account of a) the
use of flash cameras, b) the heat, and c) the proximity of such
a large crowd in a relatively small building. The riders and
horses for each team were:
Alan Bazaar on "Matterhorn", Andre Dignelli on "Wandering
Wind", and Steve Fried on "Hanover Inn" for the East
team.
Peggy Munkdale on "Scorpio", Paul Robinson on "Without A
Doubt", and Betty Jo Wilson on "Westwind Forty" for the
West team.
Kylin Coulter on "Samurai", Alex Jayne on "Steamboat
Willie", and Julie Koerner on "Did It My Way" for the
North team.
Jay Bozick on "The Pines", Lee Fletcher on "Agedoorn", and
Jeepers Ragsdale on "Caballero Rags" for the South team.
Alex Jayne swept both events by knocking out 2 clean rounds
in each. A solid performance (4 faults in 2 rounds) by his teammate
Kylin Coulter brought the Gold home to the North team during the
group competition. Jay Bozick and Andre Dignelli also had clean
rounds in the group competition to secure the Silver and Bronze
medals for the South and the East teams respectively. No one else
managed to get 2 clean rounds in the individual competition. Jay
Bozick won the Silver with 8 faults, and Andre Dignelli won the
Bronze with 9.75 faults. Scores from both events follow:
Faults (includes time faults)
Group Jumping Individual Jumping
Rider Round 1 Round 2 Round 1 Round 2
----------------------------------------------------------
A. Bazaar 4 8 8 12
A. Dignelli 0 0 10.25 0
S. Fried 3 7.5 8 4.75
B. J. Wilson 4.5 4 4 8.25
P. Robinson 33 8 * 15.25
P. Munkdale 16 0 8 8
K. Coulter 0 4 21.75 16
J. Koerner 9.75 13.25 8 4
A. Jayne 0 0 0 0
S. Ragsdale ** *** ? ****
J. Bozick 4 4 8 0
L. Fletcher 0 0 12 8
* - eliminated after 2 falls of the rider
** - time limit exceeded
*** - 3 refusals
**** - opted not to return for round 2
? - I did not hear the time faults for this round, but
the other faults totaled 21.
- Susie Lee
[email protected]
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From: [email protected]
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 87 01:52:36 CDT
Subject: John and Robin go to a horse trial
John recently joined the CSDCTA (Central States Dressage and Combined
Training Association). In their magazine they put out a call for
volunteers to assist at the horse trials held August 9. We decided
that volunteering as jump judges would be a good way to learn about
the competition. It did give us a close-up view of the competition,
although a jump judge has a limited perspective of the cross country
jumping course, especially if the jump is in a wooded area.
A horse trial for western riding readers is a one-day competition
which usually involves the three events of combined training:
dressage, cross country and show jumping. The one we attended was for
beginners and had three levels: a pony club D rally in pre-green,
novice, and training. A jump judge is needed at each obstacle in cross
country to determine if the horse refuses the jump or runs out. You
stand near the jump with a clipboard, watch the horse approach from
the previous jump or come along the path, note whether the horse
refuses, circles, goes the wrong way, etc., and then wait for the next
horse. If someone falls at your obstacle, you give assistance or
summon medical help if needed. (Nobody fell at either John's jump or
mine and nobody anywhere in the show needed medical help that day,
thank goodness.)
We were instructed in our duties by the technical delegate about an
hour before the cross country started. (Dressage was first and going
on while we prepared.) The delegate warned us to expect peculiar
behavior from riders in the heat of competition. As she put it,
"Remember that three-quarters of the riders' brains have dribbled out
their left ears while they waited in the starting box." In fact, for
people who were working on an adrenalin high, they seemed quite nice.
The mosquitos in the woods around my jump gave me more trouble than
the riders did.
It does look like a lot of fun to ride at a rapid clip over a cross
country course. I can easily see why people enjoy combined training.
Some of the horses even seemed to think this was great fun, although
the majority appeared to see it as a job they were supposed to do. My
only regret is that there does not seem to be anything equivalent to
the low-level pony club activities for beginning adults. Even the
novice competition appeared a bit more demanding than many of us
beginners are ready to tackle. Also, the $50 entry fee seemed rather
steep, but the people putting on the show were nice about permitting
eliminated competitors to keep riding through the different activities;
so I suppose people got their money's worth, even if they didn't
finish in ribbons.
I would like comments from Digest readers who have tried combined
training about an idea I had. Would it be useful to have a horse
trial schooling show. It would be an unsanctioned show, probably in
spring, for people who want to "go through the motions" of a horse
trial but are not intent on ribbons? Hopefully, it would be cheaper
for participants. Dressage tests would have no official judge (since
that is one of the heavy expenses) and no scoring. Riders would ride
cross country and show jumping in ordinary fashion, but that is
relatively easy to score without experts. The "winner" would be the
person who can complete the cross country and show jumping with the
least faults. The main value for riders would be in taking themselves
and their horses through the motions of a horse trial early in the
season so that they could get out any "bugs" in their effort.
So, do you think riders would want to come? Would you consider it? What
do you think would be a fair price for entering such a competition? How
far would you travel to get to such an event? What else should I consider
before I propose this to my friend who has built a cross country course
on her 80 acre farm? If you don't want to post answers in the Digest,
send them to me, Robin Crickman, at:
...caip!meccts!foundln!robin
Robin Crickman
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From: [email protected]
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 87 01:53:09 CDT
Subject: Midwest Federal Grand Prix Results
For those who are following Grand Prix jumping, the 1987 Canterbury Equestrian
Fest featuring the $20,000 Midwest Federal Grand Prix took place August
12-16. The results of the final event are Ellen Van Dyke up on Black &
White Design took first. Both her first and her final round were clean
and her time was around 37 seconds on the final. Richard Cheska was second
on Hurlbent Du Frn with a final of about 42 seconds. His brother Donald
Cheska was third (and also fourth and fifth). I think it was Red Bird,
then Fury II and then Elector, but it was difficult to keep them straight
with one person riding so many horses.
As is usual for the midwest circuit, most horses and riders were from the
greater Chicago area with local riders and few additions. Local favorites
seen were Magnum with Gene Beaulieu aboard, Nessus II with Lisa Cahn, Serandius
with Bill Nunn and Forty Six with Renee Kokesh. Ms. Kokesh also brought
Jambi. Two local newcomers joined, Lynne Williams on Kidnapped and Dee
Maki on Posh.
Milwaukee accounted for the winner, Black & White Design as well as Walado,
Red Bird, Fury II, Elector, Hurlbent Du Frn, Cee Dee, Atrium and Fluerie.
Chicago area brought Earl Jacques with Pull Toy and Pigs In Space. Alex
Jayne was also in from Chicago area with Dr. Detroit, Steamboat Willy,
and Spartacus (who made it to the finals but then went so fast that he
landed on rather than over the Swedish Oxer).
One rider not from the midwest who seems to like it here (at least, he
came in last year and returned this year) was Dennis Mitchell who brought
Nautical Wheeler and Poon Tang. Mr. Mitchell, when asked, stated that
his profession was "dangerous". Watching Grand Prix jumping, I'd have
to agree, but it sure looks exciting, too.
Robin Crickman, ...caip!meccts!foundln!robin
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From: [email protected]
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 87 01:53:24 CDT
Subject: Practical Horseman, September 1987
Here is another magazine table of contents. Statements in [ ] are my
additions. Feel free to send queries if you want to know more about a
particular listed item, I'll try to assist.
Robin Crickman, ...caip!meccts!foundln!robin
Practical Horseman (Volume 15, number 9), September 1987
FEATURES
Danny Robertshaw: Making It Look Easy. To produce an "effortless" trip,
you need a detailed plan. This top rider explains how he formulates his
winning strategy.
Hi-Tech Fence. Modern manufacturers have entered the field with vinyls,
plastics, and new steel products that may change the way you approach your
next big fencing decision.
Stable Skills. Measuring Your Horse For A Blanket. Here's how to locate
the landmarks you need for the precise measurement that leads to a perfect
fit.
Minerals: How Much Do They Matter? And, when it comes down to a trace
of this and a milligram of that, what can you do to make sure your horse's
diet is complete?
Step-By-Step. Debbie Shinn-Bowman. Dressage Sense. How To Make A Sound
Start In An All-Around Serviceable Sport. Whatever your goals, whatever
your horse's line of work, this down-to-earth series of lessons taught
by a world-class rider will help you both perform at your best. Lesson
One: Beginning on the Longe.
DEPARTMENTS
Saddle Ways and Bridle Whys. Dressage coach Michael Poulin gives tips on
improving a sluggish walk; veterinarian Tim Bartlett looks at causes for
a horse's refusal to trot; farrier Kearney hillard discusses lameness after
shoeing.
Forum: Horsemen Bonnie Kay-Vernon, Vince Dugan, and Karen Griffith discuss
the best way to sell through the classifieds.
Idea Exchange [Several ideas; making anti-chafing straps for a blanket
from a fuzzy girth cover, feeding a soft mash to a horse recovering from
strangles, scrubbing a water tub with grass, using an empty Pledge furniture
polish bottle for a spare sprayer, whitening socks with cornstarch, using
Dazzle grooming spray to protect from sunburn, and using Noxzema skin cream
on muzzle, eyes and ears as a fly repellant.]
Confirmation Clinic with Champ Hough [2 warmblood mares and one TB mare]
Jumping Clinic with George Morris [regular feature wherein Morris criticizes
riders from photographs they send in]
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Date: Mon, 24 Aug 87 10:59:39 EDT
From: Ken Rossen <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Practical Horseman, September 1987
Robin Crickman supplies us with the following table of contents entry:
> Practical Horseman (Volume 15, number 9), September 1987
> FEATURES
> Step-By-Step. Debbie Shinn-Bowman. Dressage Sense. How To Make A Sound
> Start In An All-Around Serviceable Sport. Whatever your goals, whatever
> your horse's line of work, this down-to-earth series of lessons taught
> by a world-class rider will help you both perform at your best. Lesson
> One: Beginning on the Longe.
I thought the following might make an interesting note to anyone who
subscribes or who buys this issue:
Equestrian Digest readers of long standing will recall that Karen and I
bought (in 1985) and sold (this spring) a big chestnut Hannoverian gelding
named Grendel. Well, the horse appearing in the pictures in the referenced
Practical Horseman article IS GRENDEL!!!
We sold Grendel because he was getting to big for Karen to school effectively
(he was already 17.0 hands when we bought him as an almost-4-year-old, and was
clearly at least 17.2 hh by the time we decided to find him another owner).
Well, Debbie Shinn-Bowman, author of the article, was our agent in selling him.
The buyer was Robert Young of Tomball, Texas, and he is the man who appears
on Grendel in the photos! Debbie had told us her client was looking
for a BIG horse, and that's what he got ... she said that, before they sent
him of to Robert's place in Texas, he measured out at 18 HANDS!!!
He sure looks big in the photos, but he is looking pretty good. The teaser at
the end of the Sept. article promises that the next "Dressage Sense"
installment focuses on improving the horse, I hope Grendel is the demo horse
again, this is a riot!
Gee, I guess Karen and I, and all you Digest readers can say, "Boy, we knew
Grendel back when ...."
--
[email protected]
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| 77.33 | Equestrian Digest Issue #60 | LDP::BELANGER | Boycott Boycotts! | Tue Nov 17 1987 22:54 | 490 |
| Equestrian Digest Thu 10 Sep 1987 Issue 60
Today's Topics:
Re: Equestrian Digest Issue 59
Hello
Re: Equestrian Digest Issue 59
Equus, September 1987
Farms and boarding
For once, Karen doesn't wait 'til Christmas.
Horse Trailers
Re: Horse Trailers
Re: Horse Trailers
Re: Farms and boarding
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 87 17:40:53 CDT
From: [email protected] (Ron Morgan)
Subject: Re: Equestrian Digest Issue 59
Re: Jennifer Moore's concerns about Tina's first ride on Kit:
Your primary concern seems to be with Tina's safety, which is understandable.
Several things pop into my mind:
1. Tina is inexperienced. Does she understand the concepts of blending the
hands and legs in balancing impulsion/collection? If so, she might do ok, BUT:
2. You said Kit was "inconsistent in responding to the bit." An 8-year-old
won't be very strong in the arms, and if Kit starts pulling, she could have
problems.
3. Tina probably doesn't weigh very much, or have very long legs. If Kit is
becoming highly attuned to weight/leg cues, she might become confused and
a bit "flighty" if Tina can't communicate with her concisely.
4. You didn't mention how sensitive Kit was to neck reining. Are you talking
about bar or snaffle bits?
5. There's also the possibility of Kit's response to being able to disobey
Tina. Once a horse has the experience of disregarding a cue or, even worse,
"bucking somebody off," without correction, all kinds of things can go wrong
with that horse's mind, none of which would be in Tina's best interests.
It sounds to me, and this is just my opinion based on my rather limited
experience in Western training, like you should train Kit's mouth a bit
more, perhaps with long-rein driving from the ground. Then let TINA learn
to do the same thing. That would give Tina a feel for communicating with Kit's
mouth, as well as train Kit to yield/collect. Once things got under control,
Tina could start walking Kit in figure-eights in a closed arena, and take it
from there.
Ron Morgan
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From: [email protected]
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 87 12:54:48 EDT
Subject: Hello
Hello!
I haven't posted in quite a while, so I thought I'd drop a note about
the latest in my life with horses. After about two months of looking, I
finally bought a horse. I was looking for a non-thoroughbred (any ol'
quarter-horse, appaloosa, grade horse ..) with some experience eventing. What
I got was a 5 year old thoroughbred gelding with racing experience and about 1
year of luke-warm hunter type training. He was the second horse I looked at.
The first was a 10 year old throughbred gelding (16.1 hands) that was afraid of
NOTHING. That horse was a succesful jumper of the over 5 feet range that
aparently had been abused. He would get to a fence OK, but would land galloping
and try to tear away. Very mouth shy. I think I could have reschooled him,
but he did not come anywhere near passing a vet check: bone spavin in
both hocks and possible signs of navicular in front.
So on to looking at Simon (nee Impetuous Saint). Simon is 5, 15.3
hands. Could a 5 year old still be growing? Anyway, Simon came not knowing
anything about dressage. When I was trying him out, he had nice gaits, but
seemed extremely nervous. In the ring he'd buck and shy, on the trail he was
a real spook. BUT, this was a young horse that got worked very irregularly
and NEVER got turned out. It seemed that after a 1/2 hour of wild riding, he'd
settle down and listen to you. He also jumped fairly well, not real smart
about take-off spots or sizing up the fences, but he used his body well, even
if a bit casual about his knees. We took him over to a local farm with a
cross-country course to try him on a few of the smaller cc jumps. Those he
jumped BIG and really snapped up his leg. Admittedly, he stopped once at about
every one of those fences, but I was a strange rider, and he'd never seen the
likes of those fences. My agent (Sally Harden, my dressage instructor) thought
he moved well, seemed general;ly quiet and that the foolishness would diminish
with regular work and turn-out, so I bought him. Mind you, I had a vet check
him, and she couldn't find any problems. So Simon is now mine.
The day he got delivered to the stable (another story...) I almost
changed my mind.. He was WILD. Bucking, whirling, plunging around. Stepped
on my foot. Phew! Evidently changes like this are traumatic. His former
owner was there to see him off, and cried buckets over him. (She sold
him for money to go back to grad school) By the next day he'd calmed
down a bit, but I took it slow. I have had him just about two months
now, and things are working out well. He has been turned out regularly,
and as predicted he has gotten much more tractable. Examples: When
I was trying him out I took him on a hack on some trails through the woods.
This was a very mixed bag. He appeared to have a phobia about crossing
streams. What hysterics!. Now he crosses them with just a tiny hesitation,
and I have been taking him down to a river near the barn to stand and soak his
legs. He doesn't like to stand still for long, but he is no trouble to get to
go in. Back when I tried him out, he flipped out over any farm machinery
nearby (tractors, balers etc.). Now, he ignores them like he should. HE can
still spook pretty good, but nowhere near as often.
As for training. I want Simon for eventing, so I have had to start
him in dressage. I ddecided to work with him as if he was just beginning, so
although he has jumped, I haven't done any jumping with him at all. I'll
start that in a few weeks. For now, I'm working on getting him on the bit and
round, and trying to get him to take cues more from my legs and weight.
We've been at this for about five weeks, and there has been definate
progress. Probably would have been more if I were a better rider,
but I am what I am. (And learning all the time anyway.) Once I week
I hack over to Sally Harden's barn for a lesson. Sometimes she rides
him for a bit. Lessons that she gets on, she gets a change in him that
you can see for DAYS afterwards. Amazing.
I have Simon boarded at Spring House Stables in Bedminster. I guess
t's what you might call a private boarding barn. There are about 20 horses
there. This is a hunter-jumper barn, but there are a few event riders there.
A woman named Sandy Mudge runs the place. She mostly rides hunters, but has
ddressage training and trains eventers too. I wanted to put Simon closer to
home at Floradale farm, where I had been taking lessons and had a jump trainer
I liked, but OH what a mess developed there! It seems last year the place
was sold to Prudential (The piece of the rock people..) for a couple
million dollars. The former owner understood they would run it as a stable.
Zoning and state wetlands laws prevent anyone from developing the place.
In fact Prudential bought it to hold in an exchange of hostages...
e.g. they had another wetlands parcel they wanted to develop, so they bought
this to not develop so as to bargain with the state. Well, in June all
the boarders got a letter saying they had to pack up and get out by
Aug. 1. Mind you, this is 70+ horses hitting the bricks in an area with not
a lot of empty stall space. Lots of questions as to why the place was being
closed. New managers had been found and everything. Well it seems that
Prudential had made a deal to turn part of the place back into
swamp to add it to the Great Swamp nature preserve (which it abuts).
This entails lots of heavy machinery working at one side of the cross country
course (ex-cc course after probably). It seems Prudential (insurance company)
was afraid of the possible liability (!!!!!). Anyway, a brouhooha ensued.
Some of the boarders had left. As of Aug. 19, a fair number of horses
are still in residence there, but no-one seems to know for sure if the place
will still be open in September. Prudential seems to own an inordinate
amount of this area. In fact, I recently learned they either own, or have
owned the very apartment complex (%$#%$&%$^&^$#&^%$!!!) I live in.
So, a question arises. How do you train a horse for the cross-country
phase of eventing without having access to a cross country course? Given
that I don't see many cc courses around, there must be a way...
Next question: who knows anything about race-horses and pin firing?
Simon in his racing days was pin-fired, and has the scars up and down his
front legs to prove it. He has a fair amount of canon bone, and no
bows or major leg problems that I can see. Do they fire these poor
horses routinely?
Last question: Simon has pretty crummy hooves: they seem to be
a bit brittle and don't hold shoes all that well. I have started
feeding him biotin and use a hoof dressing on the coronary band (Vita-hoof).
Is there anything more I can do?
Enough for now.
-- Judy Grass ==> ATT Bell Labs, Murray Hill
ulysses!jeg
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From: [email protected]
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 87 01:17:53 CDT
Subject: Equus, September 1987
Here is another magazine table of contents. Statements in [ ] are my
additions. Feel free to send queries if you want to know more about a
particular listed item, I'll try to assist.
Robin Crickman, ...caip!meccts!foundln!robin
EQUUS, (number 119) September 1987
How To Make Your Horse's Coat Shine. Conscientious care and a variety
of specially formulated products enhance the hair's natural glow.
The Lone Trainer. Safety, flexibility and ingenuity are words to live
by when training a horse on your own.
Test Your Arthritis Awareness. Ask yourself these 10 questions and discover
how much you really know about the malady that makes horses' joints ache.
The Great Muck Off. Three self-proclaimed experts go out to the trenches
to settle their differences over the best way to clean a stall.
The South Central: Where The Horse Is King. In this four-state area, the
Quarter Horse reigns over the range and some of the nation's top equestrian
events draw record numbers of competitors and spectators.
Plant Poisoning: Are Your Horses At Risk? Now's the time to take stock
of the toxic possibilities growing in pasture and range.
Evaluating The Equine "Transmission". How a horse's back length determines
the efficiency of his movements.
Saving Cimarron. Thirty days of dedicated, no-holds-barred treatment put
a critically injured Thoroughbred on the road to recovery. [But at a cost
of more then $5000 for an unraced horse who might never, I wonder if humane
destruction might not have made more sense.]
The File, a roundup of news and views that matter to the horse world.
Time growing short for thousands of wild horses as 16-year debate blazes.
High-tech hard hat helps riders take fences in stride
Fermented roughage bags hay's benefits and seals out its shortcomings.
Independent studies defend Ivermectin's strength against ascarids.
Oklahoma ride ends in disaster.
EQUUS Consultants is a monthly feature in which selected experts from across
the country respond to questions raised by readers.
Impacted teeth at root of lumpy jaw.
Managing a tapeworm infection. [Strongid is most effective for this problem
Vet Gregory Beroza says]
High withers pose saddling challenge.
Meeting the hard keeper's feed needs. [Vet Sarah Ralston suggests that
brewer's yeast be added to daily grain to aid digestion]
Industry Watch
Benefit for Bolshoi [black-tie dinner for Colic Research program]
Bands, balloons and horses too. [McDonald's Charity Christmas Parade
is seeking horse groups]
Immortalizing Saddlebred Stars [Saddlebred museum seeks contributions
by selling bricks with names of Saddlebred horses for $100 each]
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From: [email protected]
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 87 10:56:53 CDT
Subject: Farms and boarding
Brought to you from the blue (and pollen-filled) skies of Minnesota by:
Robin Crickman ...caip!meccts!foundln!robin
Before I get into my topic, I want to make another effort in my role
as participation cheerleader. If you are hesitating about posting an
item or sending a message to a poster because you think that someone
else has already said whatever you are going to say, stop waiting and
SEND THAT ITEM! Two people never say the same thing the same way and
different emphasis is valuable. Moreover, what just one person says
is an opinion whereas what several say is a trend. Finally, you can't
bore someone reading a computer posting; the reader can easily use the
computer to pass by your material if the reader thinks it boring. So,
stop hesitating, send that message, post that item, make that comment.
(Oh, no, I really am beginning to sound like a cheerleader.)
Now for the horsey stuff. John and I are about to buy a farm where we
intend to keep ourselves and our horses. We have been looking since
Spring and almost bought one place last month. Now we have found
another one which we like. We have two information needs which we
ask Digest readers to help us with. First, tips on what to look for
when purchasing a farm would be welcome. We know that a test of the
well water for contamination, especially from nitrates, is important.
What else do people check?
Second, we are thinking of boarding horses for other people both to
offset the costs and to provide some company for riding and horse
activities. Please think of the experience you may have had boarding
a horse and let us know; What is/was the best thing about the place
where you board? What is/was the worst?
We are especially interested in keeping horses at pasture (rather than
box stall boarding) and we are trying to think how to convince potential
boarders that pasture boarding is not sleazy boarding. Ideas on how we
might do this would be most welcome.
Robin Crickman ...caip!meccts!foundln!robin
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Date: Wed, 9 Sep 87 15:27:38 EDT
From: Karen Rossen <[email protected]>
Subject: For once, Karen doesn't wait 'til Christmas.
It's been an eventful summer for the equines and humans of Trollview.
As some of you may recall, since selling Grendel (who is currently
gaining fame and recognition as a Practical Horseman demo horse) I have
been parent to just one equine - Fribble. Early in July the equine
acquisition bug bit once again and sent me scurrying off, this time
all the way to the wilds of Canada, to feed my craving. The result
of this trip is named Wendell (officially "Winterbottom"), a small
black Hannoverian gelding. Wendell is blessed with three good
gaits but more importantly has a disposition of purest gold -- if
there was ever a horse capable of being paper trained and bringing
in the morning paper he's it! We celebrated our 2-week and 5-week
anniversaries at rated shows where he has acquitted himself admirably
-- not out of experience since he'd never been anywhere before, but
out of sheer good nature. If this paragon of horsedom has a failing
it's his resemblance to a small black work horse (especially when he
dozes and his ears and lower lip flop ...). Of course I've been
preconditioned with Fribble who is a sort of equine Robert Redford.
So maybe I'm not being quite fair ... Anyhow the summer is winding up
well for us and we're all looking forward to a busy fall.
Karen Rossen
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Subject: Horse Trailers
From: [email protected] (Chip Kozy)
Organization: Varian Instruments, Walnut Creek CA
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Date: 2 Sep 87 16:21:40 GMT
A rather unusual request (at least I haven't seen anything like this
in this group). I'm in the market for a two-horse trailer. The big
names in the market seem to be Circle J, Logan Coach and Miley. This
would be a bumper-pull with nothing special in the way of equipment...just
a plain trailer. I'd like to hear from anyone who may have had some
experience with any of these, or other trailers...good, bad, so-so. Also
I'd like to get some input concerning accessory braking equipment...is it
really necessary? If so, which is the better system...under dash or a
surge brake system?
Any and all info will be greatly appreciated...and for all you
fine folks in the SF Bay Area, any pointers to a good dealer would also
be great. Thank you for your support.
Happiness;
Chip
,,
*** SOLIDARNOSC ***
--
Chip Kozy (415) 939-2400 @ Varian 2700 Mitchell Dr. Walnut Creek, Cal. 94598
...!ptsfa!varian!vaxwaller!chip
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Subject: Re: Horse Trailers
Summary: What to look for...
From: [email protected] (G.CHILDRESS)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Holmdel
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Date: 3 Sep 87 14:39:42 GMT
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] writes:
> ...I'm in the market for a two-horse trailer. The big
> names in the market seem to be Circle J, Logan Coach and Miley. This
> would be a bumper-pull with nothing special in the way of equipment...just
> a plain trailer.
> ... Also
> I'd like to get some input concerning accessory braking equipment...is it
> really necessary? If so, which is the better system...under dash or a
> surge brake system?
I can not make name brand recommendations as I had my trailer made in VA, but
I can make some suggestions on what to look for in a good trailer, that might
help you avoid the expense of a "brand name".
First, check the wiring as best as you can. The minimum is to ensure
that the brakes and lights work, and that the path of the wire from the front
of the trailer to the back is secured. You will probably have to get on your
back and look under the trailer for this. You don't want a trailer where the
wires are secured by bent nails. While you are looking underneath the
trailer, check out the flooring etc.
There are generally two types of trailers. One has a side exit door
in one of the stalls, the other has a front exit door between the two stalls.
I strongly recommend the front exit. It makes loading the horses much easier,
and you can quickly get into the trailer if there is a problem. Some of the
fancier ones have dressing rooms in the front..but it doesn't sound like you
need that.
Closed sides and tinted front (plastic) windows are a must. I have
found that for these small trailers, there is no need to go to the extra
expense of having a ramp for the horse to walk up as the step up is only a
few inches, so swinging doors (on each stall) are fine. Also, you need some
type of guard on the inside of the trailer that the horse can lean against
instead of leaning against the back door. (And they will lean!) A chain
with a heavy rubber coating that hooks across the back is fine. Also, the
back doors should only close off about 2/3 to 3/4 of the opening. This
allows for good air flow. Some trailers have removable upper doors for
colder climates.
Shop around as much as you can and don't let anyone sell you a lot
of glitter that you don't need. Safety for your self and your animals should
be your primary concern.
As far as the accessory brakes go, I have driven many trailers and
never needed them. You will need to install a heavy duty flasher in your car
tho'.
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Subject: Re: Horse Trailers
From: [email protected] (Pete Bellas)
Organization: Citicorp/TTI, Santa Monica
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Date: 4 Sep 87 14:45:04 GMT
Reply-To: [email protected] (Pete Bellas)
In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Chip Kozy) writes:
> I'm in the market for a two-horse trailer. The big
>names in the market seem to be Circle J, Logan Coach and Miley.
I have had a Circle J for about 5 years now and I am very pleased with it.
The squared front design gives a larger tack storage area along with a
larger manger for the horses. The extra-tall extra-wide dimensions (about
6" to 9" in each direction compared to "standard") make loading a breeze.
>This would be a bumper-pull with nothing special in the way of equipment
Do you mean by this you intend to tow with a bumper hitch or are you just
saying you are not interested in a gooseneck (5th wheel)? A loaded 2
horse trailer weighs between 4 and 5 thousand pounds and requires a
class 3 hitch.
>I'd like to get some input concerning accessory braking equipment...is it
>really necessary? If so, which is the better system...under dash or a
>surge brake system?
Trailer brakes are very neccessary due to the weight factor. I have the
electronic brakes controlled automatically from the tow vehicle. They
do have one advantage over surge brakes, they can be applied manually
which is very usefull if the trailer starts to sway (it straightens it
out fast).
Good luck.
-Pete-
--
*Pete Bellas "During the Third Reconcilliation he came in *
*Citicorp/TTI the form of a giant Sloor!" *
*Santa Monica, CA Vinze Plortho (Keymaster of Gozer) *
*Path:{trwrb|philabs|csun|psivax}!ttidca!bellas or [email protected] *
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Date: 9 Sep 87 22:31:13 GMT
From: [email protected] (Will Marchant)
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Subject: Re: Farms and boarding
Hi Robin! Congratulations on the farm idea. I'm very jealous!
And greetings to fellow rec.equestrianers! This is my first ever posting
to a news group, so I abase myself and beg forgiveness for any
transgressions =:-).
Robin said she wanted opinions about things people like/dislike about
their stable (among other things). I think my favorite topic is the
stall versus pasture controversy.
We keep two horses at one of the local stables. One is stall kept.
The other is in a nice 60 acre field across the street. In our opinion
field kept horses will be much healthier than stall kept animals. Think
of the benefits:
-Adequate exercise.
-Less boring for the horse. (Fewer vices develop).
-Mucking out much less of a problem.
-Better nutrition in grazing animals.
Some things to look out for/keep in mind:
-Adequate shelter from the elements is a must!
-Fencing can be a problem. Barbed wire (easiest/cheapest)
can be very nasty.
-Erosion may be a problem if your horses develop favorite
paths and places to congregate. (The bottom of our pasture
is a sea of mud in the winter! Yuck.)
-There may be more fighting between animals and subsequent
injuries.
-You may have to walk a ways to get your animal.
We are moving our pasture kept horse into a stall for the winter. (She
is not very happy with us. Wants to go out and play with all her pals!)
Last winter she got a couple of injuries from slippin' and slidin'
around in the mud. It will also takes us a lot less time to groom her
before riding! We regularly spent an hour just getting the mud off of her.
If we had access to a well drained pasture with shelter (and preferably
no barbed wire) we'd leave our horses there even in winter. (San Francisco
winters are not that bad though! Mostly lots of rain with occasional frost
or hail. Can be pretty windy and cold though.)
What do the rest of you think? My riding instructor refuses to pasture
because of injuries. (He makes his money by retraining horses then selling
them. He doesn't want his stock to get all banged up.) My experience is that
the serious injuries have been caused by inadequate preparation of the
pasture. (We are working on the stable, and slowly but surely things are
improving.)
Good luck, Robin! Hope you find a nice farm!
Will Marchant
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| 77.34 | Equestrian Digest Issue #61 | LDP::BELANGER | Boycott Boycotts! | Tue Nov 17 1987 23:02 | 358 |
| Equestrian Digest Tue 22 Sep 1987 Issue 61
Today's Topics:
New Subscribers
Training for Cross Country, etc.
Insurance
question on fencing
Update on young equestrian
INTRODUCTORY LETTER
What to do to a new saddle?
Re: Insurance
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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 87 14:25:37 EDT
From: [email protected] (Equestrian Digest Coordinator)
Subject: New Subscribers
Reply-To: [email protected] (Ken Rossen)
New subscribers are:
Nancy Everson <[email protected]>,
Chip Kozy <sun!varian!vaxwaller!chip>,
Larry Mason <[email protected]>,
Jamie Scheff <[email protected]>
Welcome!
I have revised many of your addresses. Please be patient if this issue
arrives a bit late and after a retransmission or two. Many of your
organizations have added new domain addresses in the last several
months. Using these will make things a lot easier for me, but there
may be a few snags in the transition. Thanks for your cooperation.
--
Ken Rossen ...!{ihnp4,harvard,uunet}!bbn!horse-request
____or____ [email protected] -or- [email protected]
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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 87 17:02:05 EDT
From: [email protected]
Subject: Training for Cross Country, etc.
> So, a question arises. How do you train a horse for the cross-country
> phase of eventing without having access to a cross country course? Given
> that I don't see many cc courses around, there must be a way...
>
I face something of the same problem. I have access to a small cross country
course that I can use only on Sunday mornings or in lessons. I'd like a better
course, but then wishing doesn't do anyone any good. I do have access to a
galloping track.
Understand that I'm no expert, but I'll tell you what I do. This is in no
way meant to be a replacement for working with a competent coach. I'm
assuming that you're planning on beginner eventing at first. For anything
above that, I'd advise going someplace that had a real course to train.
When we're jumping and I bring the horse into a fence, I make sure that the
horse knows I really mean to jump. The message is "WE ARE GOING OVER THAT
FENCE. PERIOD." I want the horse to understand that he must pay attention
to me. Now, obviously, I have to use some sense and not do something that
will make the horse dislike jumping. I want to instill the idea that if I
point him at a fence, he can jump it, it will be fun to jump it, and he can
trust me not to do anything that will get him hurt.
The second thing I work at is control at a canter. While in galloping position,
I canter (not gallop) my horse around the track. I make him slow down, speed up
and I do transitions between canter and trot. I make him turn. In general,
I try to make him understand that he has to pay attention to me.
The next thing I do is hack through the kind of places where cross-country
courses are likely to be laid out. Something with a lot of trees, bushes,
etc. Take him through places like that often enough that he no longer spooks
at bushes rattling in the breeze and such.
With a little luck, it will all come together on course. The surrounding
shouldn't bother him, he should be controllable at a canter, and he'll
know what I want when I point him at a fence. I worked my horse like
this for almost a year and then took him to a unregistered novice level
event (I wrote about that event in the Digest back in May/June). The
first six fences were rather hesitant, but fences seven through the end
were fine. I was pleased with the way the horse went.
Again, I want to stress that you should get yourself a good coach and work
with him/her. Eventing can be dangerous if done without proper preparation.
What I've told you here should only give you the idea that you can get by
without a course to practice on. You cannot get by without competent
one-on-one instruction.
> Next question: who knows anything about race-horses and pin firing?
> Simon in his racing days was pin-fired, and has the scars up and down his
> front legs to prove it. He has a fair amount of canon bone, and no
> bows or major leg problems that I can see. Do they fire these poor
> horses routinely?
>
Pin-firing is a 'cure' for bucked shins, which I believe (I don't have my
books handy, so don't quote me on this) are the equivalent of shin splints
in a human. I have been told that bucked shins will heal by themselves given
time.
> Last question: Simon has pretty crummy hooves: they seem to be
> a bit brittle and don't hold shoes all that well. I have started
> feeding him biotin and use a hoof dressing on the coronary band (Vita-hoof).
> Is there anything more I can do?
I don't know what more you can do but you should know that there is NO RELIABLE
DATA that shows that biotin promotes a stronger hoof. Even if it did, a horse
produces biotin internally as a by-product of digestion of a complete ration.
Extra biotin won't hurt, but it can't be counted on to help, and it may be
costing you extra money. I suspect that feed that provides all of a horse's
nutritional needs [see below] will do more than supplements.
> Enough for now.
> -- Judy Grass ==> ATT Bell Labs, Murray Hill
> ulysses!jeg
Carl Deitrick
ihnp4!ihuxv!cbd
P.S. I attended a short course in horse management at the Cornell Vet School.
The first two days of the course were spent talking about nutrition, digestion,
vitamins, minerals, supplements, etc. To summarize two days of lecture in two
sentences, the average horse needs only good quality hay, grain (oats and maybe
corn), all the fresh water he/she/it wants, and free access to a mineralized
salt block. Supplements are a waste of money unless you are adding to the
ration to remedy a known and measured deficiency.
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From: andrea chenu <chenu%[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 87 09:56:57 PDT
Subject: Insurance
X-Mailer: NMail [$Revision: 2.7 $]
Here's an addition for you and thanks for managing the
list!
Hello all - it's time for me to contribute also. I've
got a 5 yr. old TB and concentrate on dressage with a little
jumping or whatever. Having come up through the ranks of
"kids that ride, but don't own horses", I'm thoroughly enjoying
finally training my own!
My question: When do you insure a horse and what types of
insurance are the most useful? Background: Max, the horse in
question, is a gelding and won't be competing in anything but
dressage. He's been successful enough, that I couldn't
currently afford to replace him. (The California horse market
for a dressage prospect is *high*, $2500 -> 15,000+). So,
liability? Mortality? Has anyone tried the new programs that
are meant to cover routine and small healthcare items? Just
keep my fingers crossed?
Any information would be interesting. Also, did anyone get to see
the Pan American games? I haven't heard anything through the
usual grapevine sources!
Thanks
Andrea
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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 87 10:32:11 EDT
From: Jan Burruss <[email protected]>
Subject: question on fencing
I have a question on fencing. My father keeps his two quarter horse mares at
his farm in Sherborn MA. They are pasture/shelter kept only with shelter in
the bottom floor of our barn and a big paddock with three rail (6 ft.) wooden
fencing enclosing it. Beyond that is the pasture -- about 10 acres of field,
which is now enclosed by an electric fence. This is obviously a cheap way to
fence a previously unfenced area, but it is unreliable in rain and other
adverse weather conditions as it goes out frequently. Also, I have a personal
prejudice against it -- I hate standing near it and getting a shock off weeds
that may be hitting it -- I'm just generally scared of it.
Can anyone comment on reasonable alternatives to an electric fence? Cost is a
factor, so the beautiful rail fencing I've seen on thoroughbred breeding farms
is not an option. Is there any other cheap option for fencing large areas
besides electric fencing?
Thanks.
Jan Burruss ([email protected])
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Date: 11 Sep 87 17:58:52 GMT
From: [email protected] (Jennifer Moore)
Organization: Theory Center, Cornell U., Ithaca NY
Subject: Update on young equestrian
Here's a big THANKS to everyone who sent suggestions and opinions
about my 8 year old niece, Tina, and her riding lessons on my
Hackney pony, Kit. So far the lessons have been a great success,
with both rider and pony never ceasing to amaze me!
Last week's lesson was the best ever. We did emergency dismounts
at the halt and walk. Kit is being such a good pony, and would
stop and stand as soon as Tina put her arms around her neck. We
worked primarily on the lungeline. Kit kept a nice consistent
pace, and by the end of the lesson Tina was posting! It was
only her third lesson in the saddle! :)
Again, my thanks to all who offered opinions and helpful hints.
It really was a big help to get us started on the right foot!
Jennifer Moore
[email protected]
P.S. - To Pat Wilson: my mail to you is being returned saying
"host unknown". I will keep trying.
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Date: Mon, 21 Sep 87 11:07 EDT
From: [email protected]
Subject: INTRODUCTORY LETTER
Hi, I'm Jamie Scheff and I work as a financial analyst at BBN
Labs in Arlington, Virginia. I've been riding on and off for about
18 years but I've never been fortunate enough to afford a horse of my own.
I first started riding hunt seat in New Jersey and was in the Girls Mounted
Troop/Junior Cavalry. I've done quite a bit of western riding--at camp and
dude ranches. We went to a great dude ranch in Tuscon, Arizona for our
honeymoon. In California I rode and showed (not too successfully) saddle
seat. I went to the University of Florida and rode saddle seat with their
horse-teaching unit. Most recently I've been riding balanced seat in the
Washington D.C. area. I'd love to buy a horse but board in this area runs
about 200-250 a month--there's not too many fields for cheap pasture. If
anyone knows of any innovative ways to afford a horse I'd love to hear about
them! I'm glad to see a bulletin board of this type exists!
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Date: 21 Sep 87 17:06:49 GMT
From: [email protected] (Kathryn Smith)
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory, Lexington, MA
Subject: What to do to a new saddle?
I've just bought my first new saddle ( I bought 2nd hand one about
3 months ago, then promptly found myself riding a horse it will NEVER fit),
and am wondering what to do to keep it in good shape, speed up breaking it
in, etc. I have already treated it with neatsfoot oil, as suggested by the
tack shop where I bought it, but I'd appreciate any other helpful little
tricks people have discovered. Given the amount of money I've sunk in it,
I want to be sure I do everything right to keep it in good shape. Also,
I'm not really looking forward to the "breaking-in" period.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Kathryn L. Smith UUCP: ...ll-xn!kathy I didn't do it,
MIT Lincoln Laboratories ARPANET: [email protected] and I can justify
Lexington, MA it all anyway.
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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 87 14:32:26 EDT
From: Ken Rossen <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Insurance
From Andrea Chenu:
> My question: When do you insure a horse and what types of
> insurance are the most useful?
Here are some random thoughts, based on three years of experience as
a horse insurance client.
Certainly the more expensive you believe your horse would be to replace
the more sense it makes to take out an insurance policy. There are several
companies that specialize in horse insurance, Rhulen (in NY) and Paoli (PA)
being two of them that are widely used in this area.
On all the horses we've insured, the policy has been for Full Mortality
and Surgical, two different types of coverage that cover different things.
Full Mortality covers reimbursement for market value upon death in most
all circumstances, plus surgery "of a life-saving nature". Surgical
insurance is to cover any important surgery on the horse.
Rates are based on the value of the animal, usually a percentage (5% - 7.5%
is a typical range for an annual premium). Surgical is typically a flat
fee on top of that. There is usually a minimum annual premium (Rhulen's
is $200 meaning that, at 7.5%, if you use all of the minimum for Full
Morality, the coverage must be at least $2667, but they will allow you
to count the flat surgical fee [$87.50] toward the $200).
Rates are based on the use of the animal and require a veterinary
certificate. Presumably brood mares are less expensive to insure than
grand prix jumpers.
Some of the horses we have had also got "Loss of Use" insurance.
This names a use for the horse and pays if the horse is unable to
be used for the named purpose (e.g. due to lameness). Generally, the
horse's value has to be in the high range if the company will write
such a policy for it.
Documenting value is another area of complexity. It's not hard to insure
a horse for what you paid for it. They don't usually ask for a copy of
the bill of sale up front. If you want to insure the horse for more than
what you paid, or to increase the horse's insured value, you must document
your claim with things like proof of show results and advertisements for
comparable horses for sale (with prices). Once a value is established you
have to keep all this documentation on hand. You will be asked for it
again, under much more scrutiny, if you ever have to make a claim.
> Background: Max, the horse in question, is a gelding and
> won't be competing in anything but dressage. He's been
> successful enough, that I couldn't currently afford to replace
> him. (The California horse market for a dressage prospect is
> *high*, $2500 -> 15,000+). So, liability? Mortality?
Sounds like you'd want to establish his value the best you can and take
out full mortality and surgical with a generous insured value. Save
every piece of evidence of his high market value. If you see ads for
those other dressage prospects that make you worry about replacing Max,
clip them and SAVE them. It always helps your claim of value if the
"comparable" horses have similar breeding.
Liability insurance is also available, and may be a good idea in this
litigious age if you and your horse "get around" a lot. There is "Private
Horse Owner" insurance for liability for any major damage your horse does,
and there is "Care, Custody and Control" liability insurance for people
who run boarding stables or training facilities. Maybe Marty, Larry,
Gay or Lyn have comments on CCC insurance?
> Also, did anyone get to see the Pan American games? I haven't
> heard anything through the usual grapevine sources!
There was a very good article in the Chronicle. I don't know if we still
have that issue (the Chronicle accounts for many large magazine stacks
in our house!) .... in general, Canada was the big dressage winner, led
by Christilot Hanson Boylen in more fabulous performances. I think she
just beat out Carol Lavell (the top U.S. individual rider) in the individual
competition.
If I can find the article, I will make reprints available. If you want
one, send me your postal address. If I can't find it, I will send
the address and phone of the Chronicle office and you can order your
own back issue.
--
[email protected]
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|
| 77.35 | Equestrian Digest Issue #62 | LDP::BELANGER | Boycott Boycotts! | Tue Nov 17 1987 23:04 | 172 |
| Equestrian Digest Fri 25 Sep 1987 Issue 62
Today's Topics:
Farms and boarding
Re: Equestrian Digest Issue 61
Re: What to do to a new saddle?
Dry Hooves
Pin Firing for Bucked Shins
Re: Dry Hooves
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Date: 23 Sep 87 00:45:45 GMT
From: [email protected] (Live Free or Die)
Organization: MIT, EE/CS Computer Facilities, Cambridge, MA
Subject: Farms and boarding
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
In article <[email protected]> [email protected] writes:
> ... John and I are about to buy a farm where we intend to keep
>ourselves and our horses. ... tips on what to look for when
>purchasing a farm would be welcome....
>
> Robin Crickman ...caip!meccts!foundln!robin
Highly recommended is _Finding and Buying Your Place in the Country_,
by (if I remember correctly off the top of my head) Les Scheer. It
covers most everything you need to know, especially avoiding getting
stuck with an inappropriate piece of property or a bad contract or
mortgage. Good luck!
- Harold
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Date: Wed, 23 Sep 87 08:47:17 CDT
From: [email protected] (Ron Morgan)
Subject: Re: Equestrian Digest Issue 61
[Kathryn Smith wants to know about breaking in/taking care of new saddle]
Speaking as a former custom western saddlemaker, there's not a whole lot you
can do to "speed up" that breaking-in process, besides ride it a lot.
You didn't say what type of saddle it was (western or english), or what
kind of and how much riding you did on it. Neatsfoot oil is pretty good
stuff, but be careful to not apply it excessively, or your leather will
gum up. A light wipe about twice a year should do it. I personally prefer
Lexol, since it's difficult to "overapply" and is broader chemically. The
main thing is to replace those natural oils that are lost through evaporation
and other processes. I know old-timers that just use Crisco Oil. This will
work, too. If you can't get any, you might try Wesson...(-8
Keep the saddle out of the hot sun when you're not using it.
ALWAYS store it, even for short periods of time, in a natural "riding"
position, even if it's just throwing it over a fence rail.
Do NOT lacquer it. If you want a shine on it, go over it with saddle soap
or neutral shoe polish, then buff it out a little.
{Keep it clean. Dust is one of leather's worst enemies, as it gets up into
little nooks and crannies where it can collect moisture and create abrasion
leading to cracking.
90% of taking care of a saddle is just common sense. It's important to not
do TOO much; that saddle will pretty much take care of itself. Just wipe some
oil on it about twice a year, store it right, and keep it clean, and don't
worry about it.
Ron Morgan
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Date: Wed, 23 Sep 87 10:39:27 EDT
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: What to do to a new saddle?
> I've just bought my first new saddle ( I bought 2nd hand one about
>3 months ago, then promptly found myself riding a horse it will NEVER fit),
>and am wondering what to do to keep it in good shape, speed up breaking it
>in, etc. I have already treated it with neatsfoot oil, as suggested by the
>tack shop where I bought it, but I'd appreciate any other helpful little
>tricks people have discovered. Given the amount of money I've sunk in it,
>I want to be sure I do everything right to keep it in good shape. Also,
>I'm not really looking forward to the "breaking-in" period.
>
>Kathryn L. Smith UUCP: ...ll-xn!kathy I didn't do it,
Four of five times a year, I wash my saddle, girth, and bridle with mild soap
and water, rinse them thoroughly, let them dry, and then oil them. Some kinds
of oil will rot stitching, so ask the tack store for the kind that won't.
The man who owns the barn where I keep my horse plays polo. To keep his saddles
clean, his wife puts them on a fence, hoses them off, lets them dry, and then
oils them.
The other thing I do is check the saddle and fittings over thoroughly for
popped stitching, worn elastic, weak metal, leather almost worn through, etc.
Any weak spot is going to let go under stress, which is just when you need
it most. When you find something like that, get it fixed right away.
In several years, the stuffing in the pads along the gullet of the saddle
(especially towards the rear) may need to be replaced because it tends to
get packed down. This will affect the way you sit. I had that done to a
Stubben saddle I used to own and it cost me ~$50.
There's really nothing I know that will hurry the break-in period. You just
have to ride the saddle as much as you can. Do a lot of posting trot. 8-)
Carl Deitrick
ihnp4!ihuxv!cbd
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Date: Wed, 23 Sep 87 14:49:17 EDT
From: [email protected]
Subject: Dry Hooves
My horse's stall is kept very clean, perhaps too clean. It's dry and so my
horse's hooves tend to be dry also. I've been using Hooflex on them to keep
them supple, but Hooflex costs $8.95 a quart. Does anyone know of something
cheaper that will do the job as well? I've thought about using old motor
oil. Any experience with that on a horse's hooves?
Carl Deitrick
ihnp4!ihuxv!cbd
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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1987 08:47 -
From: Martin L. Levin <SOC%[email protected]>
Subject: Pin Firing for Bucked Shins
Horses from the track with pin firing marks along the cannons in front
have, probably, been fired for bucked shins. Your correspondent
indicated, correctly I believe, that horses will generally recover from
bucked shins on their own given the proper rest. I'm not sure if this
is true, but I have been told that many track vets will pin fire a horse
with bucked shins simply to force the trainer to give the horse
sufficient time to rest and recover.
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Date: 24 Sep 87 18:33:15 GMT
From: [email protected] (Elizabeth Zwicky)
Organization: The Ohio State University, CIS Dept.
Subject: Re: Dry Hooves
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
In article <[email protected]> [email protected] writes:
> I've been using Hooflex on them to keep
>them supple, but Hooflex costs $8.95 a quart. Does anyone know of something
>cheaper that will do the job as well?
> Carl Deitrick
I don't know about motor oil (although I'd be dubious); what the stables
I rode at used was Crisco. (Or, when in cheap moods, unbrand vegetable
shortening.)
Elizabeth
Filler
More filler
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| 77.36 | Equestrian Digest Issue #63 | LDP::BELANGER | Boycott Boycotts! | Tue Nov 17 1987 23:05 | 390 |
| Equestrian Digest Mon 5 Oct 1987 Issue 63
Today's Topics:
Re: What to do to a new saddle?
Hello, and a story.
Re: Dry Hooves
Re: Farms and boarding
Equus, October 1987
RE:Dry Hooves
Practical Horseman, October 1987
saddle
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Date: Sat, 26 Sep 87 12:00:19 CDT
From: [email protected] (Ron Morgan)
Subject: Re: What to do to a new saddle?
[Carl Dietrick's stable owner "hoses down" saddles]
I'm not familiar with what kinds of saddles are used for polo, but I suspect
they get quite dirty from mud being kicked up, etc. At any rate, I would
NEVER "hose down" a saddle, any more than I would hose down a pair of
handmade boots. Several different kinds of glues are used in a saddle, and
water can cause most glues to come loose, or "let go of the leather." It can
also cause inner screws and nails to rust or loosen, and cause formerly-tight
stitching to cut through the leather. I'm not sure how often your friend
uses those saddles, but I'd wager they don't last more than a couple of
years without major repairs.
Personally, I'd be terrified of riding on a saddle that had been treated
in this manner; it could literally come apart under stress, resulting in
a lot of "arm flapping." (-;
I'd suggest that she knock off most of the bulk dirt with a stiff brush,
then foam it up fairly well with a horse brush and saddle soap, followed
by a moderate wiping with Lexol.
Ron Morgan
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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 87 16:36:38 PDT
From: [email protected]
Subject: Hello, and a story.
Well, after wading through the "Samplers" and catching up with
some of the back issues, I guess it's time to say hello.
My main interest in horses came about through having four
daughters, and a wife that never did outgrow horses. (I, on the other
hand, was born and raised in Chicago, and had to go three blocks to
see a real tree.) My 14 yr. old is being instructed in combined training,
and plans to become a large-animal vet...she's got it planned through
UC Davis. She is also involved with Pony Club which is in it's infancy
at "our" barn (she's D-3). My other daughters are involved in gymnastics,
but their first "true" love is horses. They bought a pony from their
cousin who had outgrown her. She's an 11.2 POA, has to have her coffee
in the morning, and supports herself by keeping the weeds down and supplying
my father-in-law with fertilizer. All the kids ride her, and she is
broken to pull as well. All in all I've learned tons about horses and
such by trying to keep up with this crew.
Anyway, a bit of a story. A few weeks ago we were at the barn
when this car pulled up and these two ladies got out. They were equine
chiropractors! I'd never heard of such a thing, and neither had the
kids (so I figured this was REALLY unusual), so we decided to stick
around and check this out. One of the ladies would hold the horse in
short, while the other would check things out. All the while the woman
doing the checking would talk to the owner, asking does he do this or
that and usually being right on with the questions. After this she
would (in most cases, but not all) grab a hand full of tail, place her
hand at places along the horses' back and give one mighty tug. I
thought the horse would go straight up, but it never happened. The
horse would usually stand there with this quizzical look on its' face
like "What was that??". The chiropractor would work the horse from one
end to the other, including the neck (this was done by standing with
her right shoulder under the horses' chin, reaching up and "surrounding"
his head and jerking sharply downward...with the result again being the
"Huh?" look). One school horse my daughter rides hates to walk...he
is really hard to hold to the walk. After the chiropractor got done
with him he would travel at the walk with absolutely no trouble. Some
of the horses she worked on showed a distinct conformational improvement
even to me...and I'm pretty much a dummy as far as confirmation is
concerned. And she guaranteed her work..."If it doesn't work, you don't
pay.". She will apparantely visit a horse three or four times. She
checks progress, advises on exercise, readjusts as necessary, and, in
short, pulls off some pretty inpressive things with the animals she
works on. Now the question...Is this something new, or has it been
around for a while? Does this really work in the long term? This
whole thing has to rank as one of the most incredible things I've ever
seen for animals. Comments?
Sto lat;
Chip
,,
*** SOLIDARNOSC ***
Chip Kozy (415) 939-2400 @ Varian 2700 Mitchell Dr. Walnut Creek, Cal. 94598
...!ptsfa!varian!vaxwaller!chip
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Date: 28 Sep 87 09:36:23 EDT (Mon)
From: JJ Cymbaluk <jxc%[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Dry Hooves
In response to Carl Deitrick's question re: dry hooves and Hooflex.
One of my shoers told me that Hooflex on dry hooves keeps moisture OUT.
Especially Hooflex in the semi-solid form, as opposed to the liquid Hooflex.
He recommended Fiebing's hoof oil 2-3 times a week. I've had success
with Fiebing's, it's a thin oil and the price is not too high. I keep
it in a coffee can with a paint brush stuck through a hole in the plastic
lid. This set-up makes it neat and easy to apply. Fiebing's comes in a
bright yellow can, it's easy to spot on the shelves.
Janet Cymbaluk
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Date: 23 Sep 87 22:12:32 GMT
From: [email protected]
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Whippany NJ
Subject: Re: Farms and boarding
In article <[email protected]> [email protected] writes:
> ... John and I are about to buy a farm where we intend to keep
>ourselves and our horses. ... tips on what to look for when
>purchasing a farm would be welcome....
>
> Robin Crickman ...caip!meccts!foundln!robin
Some stray thoughts from a shepherd (who used to ride horses):
1) Know where the water is coming from. If you have streams or
creeks, what's the source?
2) Have the pastures ever been plowed, or just cleared of trees?
Eventually (every 3-5 years) you'll want to replant for better
nutritional value, which requires plowing. A field that's
been plowed before is much easier to get the moldboard through.
3) If the property includes barn(s), do they have power? Water
with freezing protection? The latter is not necessary if you
will only have a couple horses, but you won't want to go into a
dark barn at night when you heard a strange sound. Before I wired
our sheep barn permanently, I went in one night to hay the girls.
Upon entering the dark stall and turning toward the wall to find the
temporary light I had rigged, I heard something fairly large move
behind me. I immediately remembered having seen ALL of the sheep
OUTSIDE the barn. When I got the light on, I nervously turned around -
to see a possum scoot under a feed bucket. Whew!
4) Fences? These can be expensive, and hard work to install.
Are they appropriate to the livestock you intend to keep?
5) If you plan to have many animals, maybe you'll want enough cleared
land to permit you to grow your own hay. It's not hard to do, but it
requires a little equipment (see footnote). You could then rotate
pastures with hay fields for optimum manure usage and nutritional value.
6) If the place has a barn already, is it sufficiently removed from
the house so that the rats (which you WILL have) are not a problem?
Of course, you don't need ALL of the above features, but they should
be part of your planning, because if you don't get them when you buy,
you'll probably end up adding them.
Equipment footnote: Don't rush out to your John Deere or Ford dealer
and drop kilobucks on farm machinery. Find out which local paper
the farmers trade in, and buy used equipment from the classifieds,
(or find good deals on new at least). For example, while Ford is
selling 18hp "compact" tractors for $7-10K, I just bought an early
it up, I spent another $100 in parts - big deal. And they really
built them then!
Steve "It ain't how much land you've got - it's what you do with it!" Frysinger
***
Anything worthwhile takes a little time...
Sieze the minute, build a new world, sing an old song.
-- Pete Seeger in "Maple Syrup Time"
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From: [email protected]
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 87 04:48:55 EDT
Subject: Equus, October 1987
Here is another magazine table of contents. Statements in [ ] are my
additions. Feel free to send queries if you want to know more about a
particular listed item, I'll try to assist.
Robin Crickman, ...caip!meccts!foundln!robin
EQUUS, (number 120) October 1987
Confidence Makes A Comeback. If you haven't been able to shake the dreads
following a bad experience with a horse, you can either quit or overcome.
The rebuilding process takes time and effort, but it also has rewards.
Blood: The Full-Service System. How the never-ending efforts of the
cardiovascular carousel maintain your horse's life minute by minute.
Bandaging A Coronet Wound. A step-by-step method for salvaging the structure
on which healthy hoof growth depends.
Breeder Beward. Selecting a stallion is one of the toughest decisions a
would-be breeder has to make. Here are 15 common pitfalls to avoid as
you seek the perfect match for your mare.
The Fresh Air Factor. A few simple strategies for improving the flow of
air through your barn can dramatically decrease the equine inhabitants'
susceptibility to respiratory disease.
Working On A Wobbles Cure. Oregon researchers seek to establish a connection
between nervous system degeneration and deficient levels of vitamin E.
The Northeast: Where People And Their Horses Predominate. Along North
America's Atlantic coast, equestrian opportunities abound as they have
for years.
Equestrian Art. Diverse works portraying the multifaceted horse hold special
appeal for equine enthusiasts and fine-art collectors alike.
Subzero Surgery. Working with and against some wintery weather to mend
a serious wound.
Of Mutton And The Mighty Camel. How the withers get their shape.
The File, a roundup of news and views that matter to the horse world.
Recreationalists Seek to protect open-space access in developing areas.
Trailer studies reveal fewer harmful effects than expected.
Fescue studies measure hormonal control of mares' milk production.
Dinner, acutions to benefit bolshoi colic research program
Western riders, saddle seat youth vie for high-visibility prizes.
Easy-on glue-on made to straighten crooked legs
Horsemanship Safety Association: contributing to 20 years of responsible
riding.
EQUUS Consultants is a monthly feature in which selected experts from across
the country respond to questions raised by readers.
What made his hair fall out? [Scar tissue near tail]
Did trauma trigger eye trouble? [Can't tell]
Stopping a self-destructive stallion [A self-mulitating stallion should
be gelded because this vice is heritable.]
How to handle sensitive ears. [It can take a year for an ear infection
to clear up and ears should be handled as little as possible while healing]
Internal insights target source of lameness. [bicipital bursitis]
Industry Watch
Endobactoid withdrawn from market. [Too many adverse reactions]
Avocados: Much ado about nothing?[Appears the leaves don't poison horses]
Drug crackdown considered [by AHSA]
ICEEP Proceedings available.
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From: [email protected]
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 87 13:40:26 EDT
Subject: RE:Dry Hooves
Three suggestions for coping with dry hooves. There is a good article
on hooves and the problem of too-wet or too-dry feet in the latest issue
of Practical Horseman. cf. table of contents of October 1987 issue.
A veterinarian suggested at a clinic we attended last winter that she uses
neatsfoot oil (not compound) on the coronet band of her horses to keep
their feet in good shape. I never tried it because John and I found a
cheaper solution which works for us.
There is a leaky hydrant at the corner of Toncho's pasture. As a result
there is a nice muddy corner in the pasture even in dry weather. We found
that if we get the horse to walk through this mud each time we turn him
out, his feet stay sufficiently moist. I suppose you could use a special
tub filled with select clay and water if you want to do it in a more elegant
fashion. It does have to be picked or stamped out daily to keep healthy
feet. The price is about as low as anything I can think of that works.
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From: [email protected]
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 87 13:40:39 EDT
Subject: Practical Horseman, October 1987
Here is another magazine table of contents. Statements in [ ] are my
additions. Feel free to send queries if you want to know more about a
particular listed item, I'll try to assist.
Robin Crickman, ...caip!meccts!foundln!robin
Practical Horseman (Volume 15, number 10) October 1987
FEATURES
Pam Baker. Ammy-Owner Strategies. High on motivation, but often short
of time and tight of budget, amateur competitors face special problems
this top-winning trainer's system is designed to remedy.
Stable Skills. Getting the word out. How to promote your horse activities
with a professional-quality press release.
The Perfect Tack Room. How would you equip it if money were no object?
This one's on us, so dream, dream, dream....
Falling-Apart Feet. What chemistry turns hairline cracks to gaping fissures?
What forces of nature turn hoof wall the consistency of tissue paper?
And what can you do to put the strength and resilience back into your horse's
feet?
Step-By-Step. Debbie Shinn-Bowman. Dressage Sense. How to make a sound
start in an all-around serviceable sport. Whatever your goals, whatever
your horse's line of work, this down-to-earth series of lessons taught
by a world-class rider will help you both perform at your best. Lesson
Two: Establishing Basics.
DEPARTMENTS
Confirmation Clinic with Champ Hough [arabian gelding, TB mare, warmblood
gelding]
Forum. When training goes badly, do you stop for the day or try to work
through the problem? Advice from top trainers and an expert in animal
behavior.
Saddle Ways and Bridle Whys. Dressage rider Anne Gribbons helps a reluctant
horse pick up his right-lead canter; stable manager Abigail Gille suggests
a strategy for teaching mealtime manners; from animal behaviorist Katherine
Houpt how to show an aggressive horse who's boss.
Jumping Clinic with George Morris [regular feature wherein Morris criticizes
riders from photographs they send in]
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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 87 15:18:22 edt
From: Ania O'Brien <obrien%[email protected]>
Subject: saddle
About a year ago I have written to the digest asking for advice
about buying saddles. Well a year later and several hundred dollars
poorer I am a proud owner of a saddle. First of all, Carl thanks
for your advice which really started me thinking in the right
direction. I do not think that it has to take a year to buy a saddle
but one certainly should not rush into it. I do not own a horse,
I only ride twice a week and I have not been riding very long
(3 years). It really took me a long time to first of all narrow
down what type of riding I really want to do, and the kinds of
things I liked and disliked about different saddles I tried.
I looked into buying a used saddle but I could not find the type
of saddle I wanted among the used ones. Anyway to make the long
story short I bought an all-purpose dressage Kieffer Standard
at State Line Tack. I really like the dressage seat it has but it
also allows me to jump. My teacher loved it and could not wait
to try it herself. She said that the seat really puts you were
you want to be on the horse and the knee rolls really stop your
knees from moving forward when taking a jump.
Now of course I have to break the saddle and the leathers which
is no small task. I have been advised to ride with a rolled up towel
underneath the back of the saddle for six month to make it break
properly. Any comments on that?
Again thanks for the advice (s?). Ania
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| 77.37 | Equestrian Digest Issue #64 | LDP::BELANGER | Boycott Boycotts! | Tue Nov 17 1987 23:07 | 236 |
| Equestrian Digest Fri 16 Oct 1987 Issue 64
Today's Topics:
Re: saddle
hello?
Wanted: Saddle/information
an intro and questions
Mn Show Jumping: Midwest Grand Prix Circuit Results
Info request
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Date: Tue, 6 Oct 87 16:59:08 CDT
From: [email protected] (Ron Morgan)
Subject: Re: saddle
[Ania wants to break in her stirrup leathers]
I've never understood why saddlemakers don't bother to put a twist in
the stirrup leathers. It saves a lot of headache, and it's no big job.
Here's what you do:
Get a wet sponge and moisten the BACK of your fenders and stirrup leathers.
Get them fairly wet: not dripping, but enough that they don't dry out instantly.
Put the saddle on a rack of some kind in a normal position.
Twist the stirrup leathers around at least a full turn, rolling them back
neatly. Be sure the whole assembly is smoothly twisted around, not "bent" or
otherwise binding.
Stick a broom handle through them to hold them in this position, and let them
dry for 2 days. If you can't find a broom handle, try a mop handle. (-8{>
Viola. There yuh go, pardner....
Ron Morgan
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Date: 6 Oct 87 06:57:25 GMT
From: [email protected] (John Wilkes)
Organization: ELXSI Super Computers, San Jose
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: hello?
Anybody out there? Who do you like in the Woodward?
--
John Wilkes --- UUCP: {ucbvax,ihnp4}!sun!elxsi!wilkes
ARPA: [email protected]
USPS: ELXSI Ltd., 2334 Lundy Pl., San Jose, CA 95131
BELL: (408) 942-0900
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From: [email protected] (Covey)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Wanted: Saddle/information
Date: 6 Oct 87 14:12:52 GMT
Expires: 1 Jan 88 06:00:00 GMT
Reply-To: [email protected] (45261-Covey,N.E.)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories - Naperville, Illinois
Summary: Novice saddle buyer needs hunt seat saddle and information.
Hello. I would like to find a good used hunt-seat close contact
saddle. I have never bought a saddle before so I don't really
know what I am doing. Does anyone have suggestions regarding
brands, what I should look for/avoid in a saddle. What is a good
price range to be looking at (how much should I expect to spend).
Would I be better off going for a new saddle. If so, how much
should I expect to pay for new.
Also, if anybody in the Chicago area knows of a saddle for sale or
is trying to sell one, please send me all pertinent information.
I'm 5'7" and not overweight.
Please reply via e-mail.
Thanks!
Nancy Covey
[email protected]
ihnp4!ihlpa!covey
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From: [email protected]
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 87 13:30:09 EDT
Subject: an intro and questions
Hi,
Well, I've finally made it through all the sampler issues, so I
guess it's time to say hello. First a brief intro. I rode extensively
when I was younger and worked at the Paddock stables in Canton, MA
cleaning stalls just so I could ride the horses. My parents bought
me Sport, my very own Morgan when I was fifteen. When I went off to
college I could no longer take care of Sport through the school year
so I had to sell him.
I started, or re-started, my riding about eight months ago. Right
now I'm taking riding lessons twice a week. On Thursday afternoons
I am instructed by Wendy McDaniels of Revere/Saugus Riding Academy.
Actually, today was only my third lesson with her. Anyone know of her?
She seems to know her stuff, and I think she teaches with the right
combination of praise/constructive critisism. On Saturday mornings
I ride at Andover Riding Academy in a group lesson. Jim the instructor
there is a nice guy, and his instruction has been adequate enough
to get me reaquainted with riding. But, in group lessons by definition
there's much less attention to particular problems of the individual
riders in the group. I think of my group lesson as a relatively
inexpensive way to get one full hour of riding.
It seems that most of y'all have at least one horse. I'm hoping
to become a horse owner some time early next spring and I have lots
of questions. My ultimate goal is to do combined training, and I'm
planning on spending ~2000 on the horse itself. And then there's the
cost of the tack and the monthly board fee. I'm prepared for all of
that. But what about vet, farrier etc. type bills? What should I
expect? I know there's always unforseen illness in a horse, that
you can never plan in advance for. But what are the average yearly
bills? My parents were absolutely no help when I asked them about
Sports' costs. They just said, "It's too expensive, so don't even
think about it."
What about spending time with a horse? What do y'all feel is
the minimum amount of time one should spend on exercise/care? My
situation won't be quite the same as it was when I was a kid. I
can't just go in the backyard and get the horse out of the barn.
Fortunately, my hours are very flexible and I plan on stabling the
horse within a 20 minute ride of work. I think I'll be able to
give the horse plenty of attention, but I'd just like get an idea
of what I'm in for.
Hope I haven't bored you with these neophyte questions. Just think
of all the questions I'll have when I actually start the searching
process! Thanks in advance for any help/advice you have to offer.
/debbie gesimondo
------------------------------
From: [email protected]
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 87 03:41:50 CDT
Subject: Mn Show Jumping: Midwest Grand Prix Circuit Results
The Minnesota Fall Horse Show just finished tonight (October 10). The
Minnesota show marks the finish of the Midwest Grand Prix Circuit. For
those who follow grand prix jumping, the results were as follows:
faults time (in seconds)
1st place Donald Cheska on Elector 0 22.186
2nd place Beezie Patton on Northern Magic 0 24.062
3rd place Richard Cheska on Hurlevent du Frn 0 24.413
4th place Chris Kappler on Grandis 0 25.688
5th place Chris Kappler on Concorde 4 26.385
6th place Chris Kappler on Warrent 4 28.033
7th place Chris Kappler on Whispering 8 25.396
8th place Donald Cheska on Red Bird 8 27.698
There were six horses who finished the first round with 4 faults and tied
for 9th and 10th place.
The Horse of the Year Award for the Midwest Grand Prix Circuit went to
Concorde with Elector as runner up. No surprise that the Rider of the
Year Award went to Chris Kappler and Donald Cheska (who won last year)
was runner up.
There were a total of 32 entries, 23 of whom completed the first round.
The difficult course saw several riders dumped and more withdrawing on
course. Ellen Van Dyke on her mare Black & White Design took a nasty fall
into the water jump, but was not seriously injured. Alex Jayne on Steamboat
Willie had the most difficult complete course with a total of 22.5 faults.
Friday night the $5000 Puissance class proved to be a contest for the ladies.
Six were able to clear 6 feet; Beezie Patton on Octavian, Darcy Shelly
on Eternal Journey, Donald Cheska on Elector, Dennis Mitchell on Buckwheat,
Alex Jayne on Alligator Al, and Chris Javlin on Du Jardin. At 6.5 feet
the only clean rounds went to Patton on Octavian and Shelly on Eternal
Journey. Both women tried 7 feet and 5/8 inch (7 feet is the current Mn
record and the crowd wanted to see it broken). Neither went clean. Both
tried it a second time and Eternal Journey nearly got over, but knocked
down one block from the top of the wall. At that point the two riders
elected to halt and accept the tie.
It was a good show and a large crowd. Its nice to see so much interest
in the upper midwest and especially nice to see so many excellent riders
and exceptional horses coming out. While most of the horses and riders
were from Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa, Michigan and Illinois, there was
Grandis from Maryland's Spring Valley Farm, Charlebois from Canada,
Buckwheat from California and Higgins from Colorado. We may yet produce
an Olympic rider from these snowy climes.
Robin Crickman ...caip!meccts!foundln!robin
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 87 15:59:18 PDT
From: [email protected]
Subject: Info request
Hello again. I've got another request for the group. It seems
that the pony club we're involved with would like to hold some un-mounted
meetings, and has asked for input as to what type of activities we would
like to have. Some of the things that have been mentioned are a visit
and show-and-tell by a Vet and a Farrier, trips to breeding farms, a trip
to the U C Davis Vet school, and a trip to a saddlemaker (if one can be
found in our area). If anyone out there has any good ideas for "ground-
school" activities could you let me know? All ideas will be happily
accepted for presentation to the club. Thanks!
Sto lat;
,,
*** SOLIDARNOSC ***
Chip Kozy (415) 939-2400 @ Varian 2700 Mitchell Dr. Walnut Creek, Cal. 94598
...!ptsfa!varian!vaxwaller!chip
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| 77.38 | Equestrian Digest Issue #65 | LDP::BELANGER | Boycott Boycotts! | Tue Nov 17 1987 23:08 | 421 |
| Equestrian Digest Mon 26 Oct 1987 Issue 65
Today's Topics:
working student positions
Horse Boarding - What do you expect?
Re: Horse Boarding - What do you expect?
Re: Horse Boarding - What do you expect?
Re: Horse Boarding - What do you expect?
Re: Horse Boarding - What do you expect?
Re: Horse Boarding - What do you expect?
Re: Horse Boarding - What do you expect?
Re: Horse Boarding - What do you expect?
Re: Horse Boarding (Practical Horseman article)
seen in boston globe
What's to know about twitches?
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Date: 16 Oct 87 22:38:08 GMT
From: [email protected] (Linda Heuman)
Subject: working student positions
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Does anyone out there know of working student programs (or barns with
working student positions) in the San Fransisco Bay Area or New England?
A friend of mine is interested in working at a dressage or event stable in
exchange for lessons. She is especially looking for a program which doesn't
require that she bring her own horse or pay heaps of money. Any
recommendations?
------------------------------
Date: 19 Oct 87 18:48:51 GMT
From: rak%[email protected]
Organization: The Pennsylvania State University - Computation Center
Subject: Horse Boarding - What do you expect?
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
thinking that we might start a horse boarding facility. We would like
to know what all would be expected of us and what would be expected of
the owners. If there are any of you out there that have/are boarding
your horse, we would like to here from you as to what you expect from
your boarding facility. Also, if you wouldn't mind, what fees are you
charged for what services? Thank you very much. Happy Trails.
-- Rex Knepp RAK @ PSUVM via BITNET
Penn State University
122G Computer Building !psuvax1!psuvm.bitnet!RAK
University Park, PA 16802 via UUCP to BITNET gateway
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Date: 21 Oct 87 14:02:16 GMT
From: [email protected] (BurnhamRD)
Organization: AT&T, Denver, CO
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Horse Boarding - What do you expect?
in article <22794RAK@PSUVM>, [email protected] says:
>
> thinking that we might start a horse boarding facility. We would like
> to know what all would be expected of us and what would be expected of
> the owners. If there are any of you out there that have/are boarding
> your horse, we would like to here from you as to what you expect from
> your boarding facility. Also, if you wouldn't mind, what fees are you
> charged for what services? Thank you very much. Happy Trails.
>
> -- Rex Knepp RAK @ PSUVM via BITNET
> Penn State University
> 122G Computer Building !psuvax1!psuvm.bitnet!RAK
> University Park, PA 16802 via UUCP to BITNET gateway
>
I would think that your fees would depend on location as well as
services. We board our pony at a friends place, he has one horse,
for $40.00 a month. That includes pasture, stall but no barn, and
feeding. I pay for the feed. We looked into local horse boarding
about 2 years ago and found that me could pay any where from $60.00
a month up. The $60.00 did include feed but no stall, just pasture.
I am interested to know what fees are charged in other parts of the
country.
Bob
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Date: 21 Oct 87 17:32:04 GMT
From: [email protected] (Covey)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories - Naperville, Illinois
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Horse Boarding - What do you expect?
In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (BurnhamRD) writes:
>in article <22794RAK@PSUVM>, [email protected] says:
>>
>> thinking that we might start a horse boarding facility. We would like
>> to know what all would be expected of us and what would be expected of
>> the owners. If there are any of you out there that have/are boarding
>> your horse, we would like to here from you as to what you expect from
>> your boarding facility. Also, if you wouldn't mind, what fees are you
>> charged for what services? Thank you very much. Happy Trails.
>
>I am interested to know what fees are charged in other parts of the
>country.
>
>Bob
At a stable in Wayne, IL it costs about $150/month to board a horse.
That includes food, stall, turn out paddocks, full use of school
facilities (jumping courses, indoor and outdoor rings). It seems
rather high to me but I think in the Chicago area you are probably
going to be paying more to house a horse just as you have to to
house a human. Hope this helps.
-- Nancy Covey
ihnp4!ihlpa!covey
ATT Bell Laborartories
ih 4a-272
Naperville-Wheaton Road
Naperville, IL
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Date: 21 Oct 87 19:53:56 GMT
From: [email protected] (K.J. Kubiak)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories - Naperville, Illinois
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Horse Boarding - What do you expect?
It depends on where in a area you live. I live in the North Shore
(northern suburbs) area of Chicago. When I was showing my horse in the
"B Circuit" hunter/jumper shows around here the board that I paid was
$350.00/month (1986). This was at a show barn and included the following:
1) A supervised feeding program (Hay, grain, pellets, etc),
according to the individual horses needs.
2) A box stall (usually 12' x 12') with the bedding of either
shavings/straw, that was picked clean daily and stripped
down once a week, or as it needed it.
3) Automatic watering devices.
4) Turn out every day.
5) Groom Service. This was very nice if you didn't have much
time. All you had to do was call up the barn and tell them
when you planned on riding and the horse was cleaned up,
tacked and ready to go. At the end of your ride all you did
was cool your horse down (walk it out) and give it to the
groom.
6) Large heated (nice in winter) indoor riding area.
7) Lessons. When you jump fences you need a trainer for various
reasons, not to mention insurance requirements.
8) 24 hour security. This included people who were knowledgeable
about horses and could recognize when a horse was having
a problem so that the vet could be called immediately.
9) Storage area for you tack, tack trunk, blankets and horse
trailer if you owned one.
It was a lot of money, but because it was a show barn, and it was close
in to Chicago they can charge that amount.
After I got married I moved my horse (he's 12) to a place were my wife
had her horse, (he's 27 going on 3). It's a small private place, that
feeds quality oats and nice hay. They have a dry bedded stall. No
indoor. But they do have a nice outdoor ring with some limited pasture
area. We are responsible for our horses exercise riding or turnout.
Since it became a matter of economics we were more concerned with
having our horses at a place that fed well and gave them a nice dry place
to sleep at night. Board now costs us $135.00 per horse/month.
To Summarize, I guess cost depends on two basic things: your requirements
(indoor, how much work you are willing to do yourself, etc), and where
you wish to board. In a large metropolitan area like Chicago, the closer
you want to be to the city, the more it costs.
Kevin Kubiak
AT&T Bell Laboratories
Naperville, IL
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Date: 22 Oct 87 01:33:39 GMT
From: [email protected] (Rob Bernardo)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Horse Boarding - What do you expect?
In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (BurnhamRD) writes:
+in article <22794RAK@PSUVM>, [email protected] says:
+> Also, if you wouldn't mind, what fees are you
+> charged for what services? Thank you very much. Happy Trails.
I used to board my horse at a boarding stable in Walnut Creek, California,
about 40 minutes from downtown San Francisco outside of rush hour.
I payed $185 per month (this was in '86) for:
a 12x12 stall with an automatic water and a 12x20 run
daily mucking of the stall and refreshing of shavings,
but boarders were obliged to muck their own stalls
on Sundays with the threat of a $4 charge if they
didn't
two feedings a day (oat hay and alfalfa), extra charge
for daily graining
use of 100x300 uncovered arena, which had sand on top of
the usual clay, so that when the rainy season came
the clay held the water in and the arena would be
unusable the day after a moderate-to-heavy rain
access to some 6000 acres of open space for riding - semi-wooded
hills with fire trails, cow paths, ponds, and *views*
(quite picturesque), but this involved a 15 minute ride
and crossing two streets and either a creek twice
(dry 7 months of the year) or trespassing through
another stables.
a small tack/feed shop on the premises
--
Rob Bernardo, San Ramon, CA (415) 823-2417
I'm not a bug, I'm a feature. {pyramid|ihnp4|dual}!ptsfa!rob
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Date: 22 Oct 87 01:39:16 GMT
From: [email protected] (Rob Bernardo)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Horse Boarding - What do you expect?
In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Rob Bernardo) writes:
+I payed $185 per month (this was in '86) for:
I should add that this was about the cheapest for a stall at a full care stable
in this neck of the San Francisco woods. I have heard of monthly fees of $250
for places with better facilities (e.g. covered arena) but with no trail access
in the same area.
You might expect to pay around $100/month for a horse kept in pasture and
about $70/month where you do your own feeding in this area.
--
Rob Bernardo, San Ramon, CA (415) 823-2417
I'm not a bug, I'm a feature. {pyramid|ihnp4|dual}!ptsfa!rob
------------------------------
Date: 22 Oct 87 03:20:41 GMT
From: [email protected] (Larry Lippman)
Organization: Recognition Research Corp., Clarence, NY
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Horse Boarding - What do you expect?
In article <22794RAK@PSUVM>, [email protected] writes:
> thinking that we might start a horse boarding facility. We would like
> to know what all would be expected of us and what would be expected of
> the owners. If there are any of you out there that have/are boarding
> your horse, we would like to here from you as to what you expect from
> your boarding facility. Also, if you wouldn't mind, what fees are you
> charged for what services? Thank you very much. Happy Trails.
In my area (just outside Buffalo, NY) horse boarding with an
individual box stall starts at $ 95.00/month. For this minimum amount,
one gets hay and that's about it; grain and pellet feed is extra.
Better quality boarding (for those people who show horses, and require
a higher standard of care) averages around $ 150.00/month.
Boarding rates are also influenced by the availability of adjacent
riding ring, jumps and/or trails. It is not unusual for someone with a
valuable jumper to pay $ 300.00/month at some of the "fancier" boarding
establishments that offers jumps and a ring.
If you are considering offering a boarding service, I would suggest
that you ask yourself two questions:
1. Are you willing to accept people coming on your property almost
every day and at all hours to be with their horses? I suppose
you could establish some "ground rules" to regulate access, but
that seems to offend most horse owners.
2. Are you willing to accept reponsibility and liability for somone
else's horse? My wife and I (we don't board horses for others)
try to run a tight ship and keep fences, corral, etc. in good
shape, but - damn! - our horses somehow manage to get loose at
least once per year. Not fun when they "visit" a neighboring
stable 1/2 mile down the role. Probably even more "not fun"
when you are sweating to catch someone else's horse (especially
a skittish SOB who only allows their owner to come close). These
contingencies just happen, and you have to be type of person
who can cope with them.
<> Larry Lippman @ Recognition Research Corp., Clarence, New York
<> UUCP: {allegra|ames|boulder|decvax|rutgers|watmath}!sunybcs!kitty!larry
<> VOICE: 716/688-1231 {hplabs|ihnp4|mtune|seismo|utzoo}!/
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Date: Thu, 22 Oct 87 06:06:05 EDT
From: Ken Rossen <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Horse Boarding - What do you expect?
Some highly randomized thoughts on running a boarding establishment ....
I find this discussion very interesting since, like Robin and John
and Rex, we are planning for a farm sometime in the future. It's
interesting to hear about figures like $40.00 mentioned (by Bob Burnham)
in reference to monthly board. I cannot even imagine a place around
here that could sustain a horse for $40 a month, rough board, much less
such a place where we'd be willing to put Wendell. This is hardly a swipe
at Bob, or a statement of snobbery, but rather, as others have indicated
a recognition at the VAST differences between disciplines and regions.
Things started to sound more realistic when Kevin started talking about
$350 a month for full-service B-circuit show stables.
As a sampling around New England -- I know of
- A $200/month barn with horrid, rocky turnout, small stalls
and an indoor arena. It's conveniently located and is
apparently considered a bargain. Always full.
- A $450/month barn with separate indoor arena, no turnout
to speak of, geared toward hunter people. Closed to
boarders one day a week, and still always full.
- A $200/month barn with a 100x200 indoor arena, nice new
stalls attached to arena, turnout passable. Seldom full
because it gears to Morgan and saddle-seat folks, who are
not used to paying any more than $200 for board. Very
deep footing in the indoor arena (installed with driving
in mind) makes it difficult for serious dressage/hunter
riders.
- Another $200/month barn with excellent care, NO arenas
at all, minimal turnout with no grass, abutting trails
with both indoor and outdoor arenas a 10 min. ride away.
[Don't ask me to name them.]
Clearly you will have to decide whether you are serving a clientele of
competitive riders who will require an indoor arena through the winter
and consistent turnout, or simply a place where the horse can live
outdoors (but with adequate supervision and well-maintained fences) and
go out on trails. In Pennsylvania and Minnesota, the land crunch will
probably not hit you as hard as in New England, where buying a house
on more than five acres within an hour of Boston is typically a
quarter-million dollar proposition, and where decent grassy pasture is
next to impossible to find (the developers have probably found it first).
Oh well, it's Food for thought. We have ours at a dressage-oriented barn
with a good indoor arena, large outdoor arena and fair turnout for $275
monthly. It's a decent deal -- about 90 min. from Boston and there are 16
people on the waiting list.
The liability question Larry brought up is a very valid one. You should
probably consult an attorney to draw up a release form boarders can
sign to protect you as much as possible from litigation, especially
if you will be boarding horses worth many thousands of dollars.
"Care, custody and control" insurance has become extremely expensive, in
some cases too expensive for a small farm owner to carry (i.e., many
thousands of dollars a year). Farm owners have been led to "go big [enough
so that the revenues make the premium affordable] or go naked [no insurance
at all]."
Be careful, and be sure you can afford to do this, both in time and in
dollars.
--
KENR
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Date: Thu, 22 Oct 87 06:06:05 EDT
From: Ken Rossen <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Horse Boarding (Practical Horseman article)
Oops ... forgot to mention that there is a comprehensive article
on running your own boarding establishment in the most recent [I think]
Practical Horseman. Watch for Robin's next table of contents for
the listing.
--
KENR
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Date: 26 Oct 87 16:14:00 GMT
From: [email protected] (Debbie Gesimondo)
Organization: Apollo Computer, Chelmsford, Mass.
Subject: seen in boston globe
I saw an ad in the Boston Globe today that I found amusing especially in light
of all this talk of boarding. It was for a horse CONDO! There is an
equestrian center in a suburb of Boston that is selling a 12x12 box stall.
Ownership also includes 4 outdoor rings, 2 huge heated indoor arenas,
luxurious private clubhouse (for the horse?!), and 16 prime acres abutting
82 miles of trails. I can only imagine what this might sell for.
/debbie gesimondo
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Date: 26 Oct 87 19:59:11 GMT
From: [email protected] (Rob Bernardo)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: What's to know about twitches?
I need to buy a twitch (to use when the vet comes and gives my horse
a worming via a tube down the nostril). I know nothing about them.
Are there various sorts? If so, what are their relative advantages
and disadvantages?
T.I.A.
--
Rob Bernardo, San Ramon, CA (415) 823-2417
I'm not a bug, I'm a feature. {pyramid|ihnp4|dual}!ptsfa!rob
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| 77.39 | Equestrian Digest Issue #66 | LDP::BELANGER | Boycott Boycotts! | Tue Nov 17 1987 23:09 | 390 |
| Equestrian Digest Sat 31 Oct 1987 Issue 66
Today's Topics:
Re: What's to know about twitches?
Re: Horse Boarding - What do you expect?
Horse Rentals in S. Ontario
Equus, November 1987
Practical Horseman, November 1987
Re: What's to know about twitches?
Re: What's to know about twitches?
Tube worming (was: What's to know about twitches?)
Re: seen in boston globe
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Date: 27 Oct 87 02:43:07 GMT
From: [email protected] (Jean Marie Diaz)
Organization: Madhouse International Technologies
Subject: Re: What's to know about twitches?
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Rob Bernardo) writes:
>I need to buy a twitch (to use when the vet comes and gives my horse
>a worming via a tube down the nostril). I know nothing about them.
>Are there various sorts? If so, what are their relative advantages
>and disadvantages?
There are two basic kinds. The first is known as a "chain twitch".
It's a long (2-3 feet) stick (about the width of a broom handle, or
more) with a loop of chain on the end. You put the loop on the horse's
lip and twist the stick to tighten it.
The second kind is called a "humane twitch". It is two bars of metal
hinged together at one end (imagine a V). The bars are bent out in
curves near the hinge. This space is where you're supposed to put the
horse's lip, but it's generally accepted that it's too easy for him to
wiggle free, so we usually pinch the lip between the straight parts of
the bars.
Another advantage of this kind of twitch is that they usually have a
cord&snap attached to the ends of the bars, so that you can put on the
twitch, secure it (wrap the cord around the bars and snap it to the
halter), and have your hands free (to clip ears, for example). This
does work, but the lip gets numb more quickly than it would if you used
the "two-person" method -- one person holds the twitch, squeezing and
releasing it regularly, while the other person does whatever needs
doing.
AMBAR
[email protected] {backbones}!mit-eddie!ambar
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Date: 26 Oct 87 16:17:25 GMT
From: [email protected] (Adrienne Regard)
Organization: Citicorp/TTI, Santa Monica
Subject: Re: Horse Boarding - What do you expect?
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
In Oregon, circa 1968 (adjust for inflation), full board, feed, stall,
turnout and ring use ran $65 in a small town.
California, '68 - 76 we found stall with a small run, use of ring for
the same $65, but the feeding and mucking out was your own responsibility.
This was a real hassle. However, the alternative - $200 further away --
was not attractive.
In Seattle, WA, we found a small barn with a large field. Cleaning and
feed again our problem, for $25/mo. This was 1977.
In LA, you can get the works at the LA Equestrian Center for $190-350/mo.
"depending". I didn't get the details. Or go to Playa Del Rey for much
less ($100?) but there is a waiting list, and the little knock-down estab-
lishment is being threatened by developers.
For a "mom-and-pop", I'd recommend charging slightly more and doing the
feeding yourself, and perhaps hiring some local worker to do the stalls.
That would help limit the "all hours of the night" traffic that someone
else brought up. I've used a lot of owner-on-site establishments, and
I think this could be the single biggest drawback to your idea, depending
on the layout of your land.
--
"See - the thing is - I'm an absolutist. I mean, kind of. . .in a way. . ."
-(Denise)
Adrienne Regard {philabs,trwrb,psivax}!ttidca!ttidcb!regard
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Date: 24 Oct 87 22:03:28 GMT
From: [email protected]
Organization: Institute of Biomedical Engineering, University of Toronto
Subject: Horse Rentals in S. Ontario
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
I am a westerner (CDN) and a poor student, and am used to being able to rent
horses for short, inexpensive ~$10/hr rides in the country
(without "accompaniment"). I have been unable to find any stable willing to
rent like this in southern Ontario, and have even been told it was illegal.
Can anyone tell me where to go?
Thanks,
Ken.
------------------------------
From: [email protected]
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 87 02:05:08 CST
Subject: Equus, November 1987
Here is another magazine table of contents. Statements in [ ] are my
additions. Feel free to send queries if you want to know more about a
particular listed item, I'll try to assist.
Robin Crickman, ...caip!meccts!foundln!robin
EQUUS, (number 121) November 1987 [Tenth Anniversary Issue]
A Celebration of the Horse. Join us as we commemorate our 10th Anniversary.
What Horses Mean To Me. Celebrity horsemen and women offer insight on
their involvement with the animal knogdom's noble steed.
Looking Forward, Looking Back. Industry leaders and a charter subscriber
reflect on the challenges of the horse world.
A Voice For The Horse. How Ami Shinitzky came to publish EQUUS, the magazine
with a mission.
Where Are They Now? Updating the issues that made an ipact and the people
who made a difference in 10 years of EQUUS.
A Sentimental Journey. A visit through EQUUS' pages brings back some favorite
articles and artistic endeavors.
Through The Lens. Members of equine photography's elite capture the horse
as companion, athlete and untamed spirit.
Why Horses? The lure of horses for the human imagination may defy scientific
explanation. Yet the appeal is rooted in some of our most basic needs.
Health-Giving Horses and The Fighting Irish. How Elaine Murphy and James
Brady are riding their way to better health.
Learning To Honor The Golden Rule. A vocational-training program prepares
Colorado prison inmates and rounded-up mustangs for new lives.
Working For A Greater Good. The cause of a young trainer injured while
riding has joined the ranks of equestrian charity efforts.
Fighting For A Second Chance. Massive infection and resulting disability
become one barrel-racing duo's greatest challenge.
Ropes And Ladders. Building flexible, not rigid back muscles takes more
than just good riding.
The File, a roundup of news and views that matter to the horse world.
Preparing For Seoul
The Aftermath of a Tragedy [June 13 Oklahoma endurance ride during which
7 horses died]
Conditioning tool provides unexpected insight [heartrate monitor can
reveal lameness]
Missouri Humane Society Sponsors Unique Seminar [on monitoring animal
cruelty at rodeos]
Council Effort Comes Too Close For Comfort. Delaware horsemen regain
rights for equine residents.
The Retirement Option.
ISVP [International Society of Veterinary Perinatology] Focuses on Equine
Newborns.
EQUUS Consultants is a monthly feature in which selected experts from across
the country respond to questions raised by readers.
Are feed needs weather-related? [Yes]
Benign tumor [lipoma] turns fatal.
"Horsebreaking" a young puppy. [How to teach a young dog to behave safely
around horses.]
Stabilizing a stubborn hoof crack.
[Next month, December 1987 issue of EQUUS will include an index to all
articles which have appeared in the first 10 years of publication.]
------------------------------
From: [email protected]
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 87 02:04:58 CST
Subject: Practical Horseman, November 1987
Here is another magazine table of contents. Statements in [ ] are my
additions. Feel free to send queries if you want to know more about a
particular listed item, I'll try to assist.
Robin Crickman, ...caip!meccts!foundln!robin
Practical Horseman (Volume 15, number 11) November 1987
FEATURES
Greg Best. Upgrading From Juniors To Grand Prix. Guided by USET vetran
Frank Chapot, the young rider rose swiftly to the top of the jumper ranks.
Here he describes the sometimes-painful transition.
Horseman's Consultant. The Earning Power of the Empty Stall. A reader
has unused stable space she'd like to convert to income by taking in boarders.
Our panel of experts offers advice on maximizing profits and minimizing
risks.
Stable Skills. How To Pack Your Horse's Feet. This easy procedure helps
put the spring back in dry, shelly feet.
Shooting Your Own. Videotapes are powerful sales tools. A professional
video producer describes how you can produce your own.
Step-By-Step. Debbie Shinn-Bowman. Dressage Sense. How To Make A Sound
Start In An All-Around Serviceable Sport. Whatever your goals, whatever
your horse's line of work, this down-to-earth series taught by a world-class
rider will help you both perform at your best. Lesson Three: Developing
Balance. [sadly, not illustrated with Grendel].
DEPARTMENTS
Saddle Ways and Bridle Whys. Horseman R. Scot Evans offers exercises for
deepening a rider's heels; Dr. Nicholas Dodman on a cure for cribbing;
trainer Jack Atwell suggests ways to sharpen a sluggish driving horse.
Forum: How do you fatten up a thin horse? Advice from extension horse
specialist B.F. Yates, trainer Sarah Hicks, and farm manager Larry Jenkins.
Idea Exchange [Bran antifreeze, easy ID, glove rub and muck minimizer]
Jumping Clinic with George Morris [regular feature wherein Morris criticizes
riders from photographs they send in]
Confirmation Clinic with Champ Hough [2 Arabs and an Anglo-Arab]
------------------------------
Date: 29 Oct 87 23:44:10 GMT
From: [email protected] (Joel B Levin)
Organization: BBN Communications Corporation
Subject: Re: What's to know about twitches?
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Rob Bernardo) writes:
:I need to buy a twitch (to use when the vet comes and gives my horse
:a worming via a tube down the nostril). I know nothing about them.
The first thing to know about them is how to use them correctly. You
can damage your horse or damage your vet if you are not careful. I
have used the chain type (is there also a kind which uses a leather
thong instead of a chain?) and it works well.
1. Get someone who knows how to show you the first time, if possible.
2. You will need a firm hand and steady purpose. If you waver when
the horse reacts to something, he may slip out of the twitch and
thrash around and cause trouble. You do not want to let this happen.
The manager of the barn I kept my horse at was picky about who she
would let hold the twitch for her for just this reason.
3. Twitch the lip. Do NOT twitch the ear.
4. I like to keep the twitch moving when I am holding it. A little
gentle motion of the handle, combined with alternately tightening and
slightly loosening the loop (a couple times per second). This feels
better to the horse (does it help circulation in the lip?) and
distracts him somewhat from the fact of the twitch and of the work
being done.
5. When you release the twitch at the end of the work, do NOT pet him
on the nose or attempt to rub it for a while ... it probably hurts or
tingles and he is likely to be sensitive for a few minutes.
Well, that's all I can think of offhand -- good luck with it!
/JBL
--
UUCP: {harvard, husc6, etc.}!bbn!levin
ARPA: [email protected]
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Date: 30 Oct 87 19:06:16 GMT
From: [email protected] (Gale Snow)
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View
Subject: Re: What's to know about twitches?
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
In article <[email protected]> Rob Bernardo writes:
>I need to buy a twitch (to use when the vet comes and gives my horse
>a worming via a tube down the nostril).
I just wanted to point out that tube worming is really unnecessary in this
day and age. There are very effective paste wormers available - look for
those with ivermectin (sp?) in them (kills just about every known parasite).
There is also a shot wormer. I haven't tube wormed my horse in years and am
glad of it as it always seemed kind of cruel to me. And there's no need
for the twitch!
Gale Snow
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Date: 31 Oct 87 03:10:08 GMT
From: [email protected] (Rob Bernardo)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Subject: Tube worming (was: What's to know about twitches?)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Gale Snow) writes:
+I just wanted to point out that tube worming is really unnecessary in this
+day and age. There are very effective paste wormers available - look for
+those with ivermectin (sp?) in them (kills just about every known parasite).
+There is also a shot wormer. I haven't tube wormed my horse in years and am
+glad of it as it always seemed kind of cruel to me. And there's no need
+for the twitch!
My vet likes to do tube worming once a year and ivermectin every of the
other quarters of year, and thinks that the tube worming get some things
the ivermectin misses.
My mare is soon due for her semi-annual injections, etc. and when the
vet comes, I will ask him which parasites the tube worming gets that
the ivermectin misses.
--
Rob Bernardo, San Ramon, CA (415) 823-2417
I'm not a bug, I'm a feature. {pyramid|ihnp4|dual}!ptsfa!rob
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 87 18:38:54 EST
From: Ken Rossen <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: seen in boston globe
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Distribution: world
Organization: Trollview of Hampstead
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
(Debbie Gesimondo) writes:
> I saw an ad in the Boston Globe today that I found amusing
> especially in light of all this talk of boarding. It was for
> a horse CONDO! There is an equestrian center in a suburb of
> Boston that is selling a 12x12 box stall. Ownership also
> includes 4 outdoor rings, 2 huge heated indoor arenas, luxurious
> private clubhouse (for the horse?!), and 16 prime acres abutting
> 82 miles of trails. I can only imagine what this might sell for.
The condos are $60,000. The place in question in Hamilton Equestrian
Center in prestigious Hamilton, Mass., near Myopia Hunt Club and
formerly Flying Horse Farm. The new owners are trying to make their
facility something like the most impressive in the nation, or at least
in the area (I gather that the fellow who owns St. James Farm in Warrenville,
Ill. is engaged in a similar effort), but I'm not sure that they will break
any records at Hamilton except board rates. Board there is something
at or in excess of $600./month, though there may be some discount at the
moment, since most of those luxurious facilities Debbie mentions are
still under construction. Most apalling to me about this exorbitant
rate is that there isn't really any pasture there for turnout. Your
horse gets "fresh air" there, by walking out from his stall into an
approximately 12'x12' outdoor enclosure. Harrumph.
One thing the Dotolis have been successful at, however, is getting names
on the letterhead. Both Michael Poulin and George Morris have signed on
as "Consulting Directors" or some such, which probably means that HEC
has first rights to all Boston area clinics that they give, and that
there will be at least one a year.
But from what I hear, most of the luxury in this place is for the owners,
not the horses. No turnout, BUT you CAN pull your trailer INDOORS to
unload your horse if you are arriving for a lesson in one of the indoor
arenas, thus avoiding having to do it in the nasty cold.
I suspect they will have trouble finding their market. Anyone so rich
as to be able to afford a boarding stall or condo there could probably
afford to buy and staff a farm of their own, with real pasture, even
here in New England.
--
[email protected]
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|
| 77.40 | Equestrian Digest Issue #67 | LDP::BELANGER | Boycott Boycotts! | Wed Nov 18 1987 09:45 | 767 |
| Equestrian Digest Tue 17 Nov 1987 Issue 67
Today's Topics:
Newsgroup "rec.equestrian"
Bad loader takes a ride
Re: Worming (was "What's to know about twitches?")
Adopting & training mustangs, A success story
St. James Farm
Christmas Presents for Horselovers & Horses
Fall Update
Re: What's to know about twitches?
Potomac Fever
Re: Potomac Fever
Aging Mare
bedding material for winter?
Straw Vs. Shavings For Bedding
Re: Aging Mare
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 87 14:27:28 EST
From: [email protected] (Equestrian Digest Coordinator)
Subject: Newsgroup "rec.equestrian"
Reply-To: [email protected] (Ken Rossen)
Hi, everybody.
I thought I might make another (breifer, this time) statment about the
interaction between rec.equestrian and this mailing list.
"rec.equestrian" was created to relieve the Internet of some of its mailing
list traffic (the Internet is the ARPANET, MILNET, and other connected
networks). Sites on the Internet running NNTP (a remote news system)
could direct their users to read "rec.equestrian" as a newsgroup instead
of receiving the Digest as mail.
As a result, there is now a system established by which every article I
receive in mail gets posted to rec.equestrian, and in turn, articles posted
to rec.equestrian are forwarded to me for inclusion in the next Digest issue.
This has worked very well.
What has also happened is that many sites not originally intended to receieve
"rec.equestrian" (it was supposed to be only for those sites in the "inet"
distribution) are getting it anyway. I don't really have a problem with
this ... it's up to the admins at receiving sites to watch such things, and
the problem is not specific to rec.equestrian.
What has NOT happened is that I have NOT received a lot of requests to
drop Digest subscriptions now that many of you are (or should be) receiving
rec.equestrian.
If you use "rn" to read news (or "vnews", or "notes", or "readnews"), check
to see whther you are receiving articles in "rec.equestrian". The
distribution via newsgroup is more timely and lower overhead than
via mailing list, so if the newsgroup looks good to you, let me know
and I can delete your name from the list.
Thanks, and enjoy!
--
Ken Rossen ...!{ihnp4,harvard,uunet}!bbn!horse-request
____or____ [email protected] -or- [email protected]
------------------------------
From: [email protected]
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 87 01:06:02 CST
Subject: Bad loader takes a ride
Finally, after months of trying, Imp finally went for a ride in the
trailer yesterday! Those of you who have been with the Digest for
awhile may remember my sorry report last summer of finding that I had
bought a horse who would do anything to avoid getting into a trailer.
This past March I purchased a trailer and began training Imp to load.
Took a lot of bribes and a little bit of spanking on the rump, but he
slowly learned that trailers are places filled with horse sugarplums
(aka apples, corn, carrots, hay, etc.) and that nothing really
horrible happens to horses who stand in trailers.
Last week I decided we were ready for the next step. I loaded and
then attached the halter tie and the butt chain. Then I closed the
door and waited for fireworks. Amazing, nothing but crunch, crunch,
crunch. I tried tapping and then pounding on the side. Nothing. I
unloaded and took a walk and tried again. Still no worry. Great.
Yesterday came the FIRST RIDE. Put on leg quilts and knit wraps and
his head bumper. Put goodies into the trailer. Attached the trailer
to the car, checked tires, etc and then led Imp to the entry. No,
nope, don't want to get in there. Won't stay in there. Awful thing.
After about four tries, we got the snap onto his halter. Pull, fight,
thrash. I told him that if he didn't quit I was going to take the corn
away. Quiet. (I think it was more that he couldn't break the lead
than my threat.) Door closed, we waited for quiet. No panic in the
trailer now, just more crunch, crunch, crunch. Slowly we took off.
Imp thought the window in the front of the trailer was interesting, he
watched closely. So did I, but I watched the horse. We drove a
couple miles up the road and then back to the farm.
Now unloading. I expected a blast out. We undid the halter and the
butt chain. He leaned against the back door. I told him to move up
and, wonder of wonders, he listened. Back door open. He stood there!
Finally, I told him to back up and he got out. Then he realized he
was free of that horrible thing and headed for the nearest grass to
eat frantically. Eating frenzy lasted for about 10 minutes and then
he decided that he was still alive. We did one more load. It was
difficult, but he finally gave in. Then it was off with the horse
clothes and out to pasture.
Remains to be seen if we can load again, but I have high hopes that he
will get in as needed. I plan to practice until Imp has decided that
this is just another boring thing we do.
Now that he loads, we can start planning to move him to the farm we
are still trying to buy in Wisconsin. It will be about 90 minutes
travel, mostly on freeways. The trailer is a stock type with half
doors in back and partly open sides. Would you plan to blanket for
such a trip? Temperatures here are about 30 at night and in 40-50
range during days just now. Any other special winter precautions
anyone can suggest?
Robin Crickman ...caip!meccts!foundln!robin
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Date: 1 Nov 87 02:49:46 GMT
From: [email protected] (Rock Kent)
Organization: NCR Corporation, E&M San Diego
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Worming (was "What's to know about twitches?")
I'm posting this for a friend. Please route any replies to me and
I'll see that she gets them. My .sig is appended. -rock-
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
In article <[email protected]> Rob Bernardo writes:
>I need to buy a twitch (to use when the vet comes and gives my horse
>a worming via a tube down the nostril).
Don't bother. Your vet will have the type of twitch he feels most
comfortable with. Haven't met one yet who didn't. :-)
In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Gale Snow) writes:
>day and age. There are very effective paste wormers available - look for
>those with ivermectin (sp?) in them (kills just about every known parasite).
>There is also a shot wormer. I haven't tube wormed my horse in years and am
I really concur with Gale's recommendation for paste worming. The
injectible ivermectin, however, has been taken off of the market, at
least in southern California.
We have been using the paste form of ivermectin for the past three and
a half years on a thoroughbred farm in coastal southern California.
We treat brood mares, layups, and babies, about 60 head of horses,
every two months. We run fecals on a regular basis and the paste has
been effective to date. Whether parasites will develop an immunity in
the coming years remains to be seen.
The type of de-wormer used and treatment periodicity will depend on the
horse's environment -- treatment of other horses sharing the same
pasture, parasites common to the locale, physical condition and age of
the horse. TALK TO A VET.
Dis-claimer: I'm not sure who really is responsible for these
thoughts and ramblings. No one I know, however, makes or sells drugs.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Dena Jimson
assistant de-wormer :-)
Del Rayo Racing Stables
San Diego, CA.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
cems: RBO Rock E. Kent (Dept 1101)
net mail: [email protected] NCR Corp. E&M SD
uucp address: ..sdcsvax 16550 W. Bernardo Dr.
..hp-sdd!ncr-sd!ocean!rock San Diego, Ca. 92127
..ncrcae/ (619) 485-2364
--
- - > We take customer satisfaction personally. < - -
Rock Kent (OCM - Dept 1101) ext: 2364 email: rock@ocean
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Date: 30 Oct 87 18:18:46 GMT
From: [email protected] (Judy Curtis)
Organization: NBI Inc., Training Center, Boulder, CO
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Adopting & training mustangs, A success story
Five years ago, my husband and I adopted two mustangs from the Bureau of
Land Management. We choose a strong, strawberry roan, appalousa-type mare
and a smooth moving, more refined sorrel stallion. Both these horses were
approximately 5 years old, and had been wormed, vaccinated, and vet
checked for the more obvious health problems. They had good straight
legs, but were very thin -- understandable since they had just been wormed
for the first time in their lives, it was the middle of a hard Rocky
Mountain winter, and they had been under terrible stress since they were
caught in Wyoming.
When we got them home we put them in a large corral with a 6 foot fence,
and left them pretty much alone for several weeks to let them recover and
adjust. They slowly settled in, becoming less and less afraid of us and
all the new things (rototillers, people who came to oh-and-ah, a pink and
purple hot air balloon that landed in the pasture next to their corral,
dogs, cats, chickens, cars, and a hundred other civilized horrors) we
exposed them to. The mare turned out to be more easily motivated to trust
us; once she figured out that we were her only source of food she began
approaching us voluntarily. The stallion, however, has a very different
kind of personality; easily stimulated and with a very strong sense of
autonomy. At first, if we were nearby he could not put his head in a
bucket for fear that it would prevent him from keeping an eye on us; if we
had tried to "break" him I believe he would have fought to the death from
sheer terror and a shuddering dislike of being touched and feeling
trapped. On the other hand, neither he nor the mare had a mean bone in
their bodies, and it was obvious that they were, each in their own way,
trying very hard to understand. They gradually relaxed enough that they
no longer started blowing and fretting when we walked into the corral
(especially, of course, if we were carrying feed buckets). We got halters
on them by first having them put their heads through the nose piece of a
halter to eat (we fed them pellets and grain out of a bucket), and then by
gradually working the straps up around their heads until one day we could
buckle them. After that, we put drag ropes on them and were able to
gradually convince them to submit to being first tied and then led (by
rewarding them, first for each step, then each several steps, and by first
taking them places that made sense to them, e.g. back to the other horses,
or to their dinner). Once they understood the concept, they'd lead easily
just because we asked.
The key to working with a truly wild adult horse is to break each normal
training step into many smaller steps and then gradually put them
together. If you push even a little bit faster than they are able to
assimilate they can blow up big time - a full out panic that ruins the
whole training session, endangers both the horse and the trainer, and
takes DAYS to recover from. We quickly learned to pick up on signs of
approaching overload and when we backed off they were very obviously both
relieved and grateful. These mustangs are very honest animals; when they
had recovered their composure and thought through what had happened, they
would relax and step back towards us indicating that they were ready
again. We trained the mare first; she is naturally more pragmatic and
less easily overwhelmed. She turned out to have a natural running walk
that really covers the ground; and is a willing, enthusiastic horse
although she requires a strong, experienced rider since she really likes
to GO (we refer to her as our adrenalin-junkie). The stallion took longer
to train; the self-control and submission to the rider's will required of
a domestic horse did not come easily to him. However, he was never
aggressive towards us, even when the mare was in heat. We spent months
ground driving him so that when we first got on him everything else was
familiar (he hyperventilated and trembled, but the training held). We
also did not geld him until he was easy to handle so that the vet could
put him completely under; otherwise the experience of being thrown, hog-
tied, cut, and badly hurt would probably have ruined any chance of gaining
his complete trust. To this day, he needs to have new experiences broken
down into very small steps or his flight response can still be triggered;
however he has become a very friendly horse who tries very hard to
understand and cooperate, and is now willing to give us the benefit of the
doubt rather than assume that he's surely going die in every new
situation. We can now ride both him and the mare along busy highways
(although they still snort and side-step at cement trucks); up steep,
rocky, mountain trails (and down again - which is much harder); over
wooden foot bridges, across cold mountain streams, through dark narrow
highway underpasses, and past go-carts with no mufflers. They also load
and travel in our trailer calmly, and come at a gallop when called.
Adopting and training these mustangs took a lot more work, time, patience,
and effort than we thought they would, but I can say without reservation
that they were worth it all in terms of what we gained from the experience
- two strong, well-mannered, intelligent, and enthusiastic riding horses
plus a priceless education in training, understanding, and dealing with
horses in general.
If you love and have some experience with horses (I consider myself a
intermediate-level rider, with no formal riding classes, just years in the
saddle) please consider adopting a wild mustang. These magnificent
animals are being forced off their home ranges to make room for oil
exploration and more cattle. If they are not adopted they will be
slaughtered or live out their lives in crowded, dusty, government holding
pens -- a terrible injustice as well as a waste of good horses. These
horses are products of nature's hardest test - the survival of the
fittest. They have incredible endurance and strong hooves. They are easy
keepers, unspoiled, and very smart!
If you have any questions I would be happy to discuss our experiences in
more detail. I can be reached via e-mail at:
{husc6,gatech,oddjob,ames,noao,rutgers}!hao!nbires!fred!nbisos!nbifet!judy
Judy Curtis
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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 87 18:02:50 EST
From: [email protected]
Subject: St. James Farm
> ... The place in question in Hamilton Equestrian
> Center in prestigious Hamilton, Mass., near Myopia Hunt Club and
> formerly Flying Horse Farm. The new owners are trying to make their
> facility something like the most impressive in the nation, or at least
> in the area (I gather that the fellow who owns St. James Farm in Warrenville,
> Ill. is engaged in a similar effort), but I'm not sure that they will break
St. James Farm is about five miles from where I'm sitting as I type this. I've
been there many times, mainly as volunteer and friend of competitors, but
went there once to take a clinic from a German instructor. The coordinator of
volunteers there calls me now and again when she needs some one to time a
horse show.
St. James Farm is owned by Brooks McCormack (I'm not sure of the spelling,
since I'm not exactly on a first name basis with the man), who inherited
the fortune generated by the inventor of the mechanical reaper. Brooks,
who is in his 70's, owned International Harvester until just before IH
nearly went out of business.
St. James Farm is a private, working farm of 700+ acres. It straddles a
local highway (Rt. 56, Butterfield Rd.). There are basically two parts to
St. James Farm. There is the part where Brooks has a private residence,
an indoor arena, a stable for his personal horses, paddocks for those
horses, and housing for some of the staff who live on and run the farm.
The 'public' area consists of a 50-stall barn (which he built strictly for
show stabling), a small concession area, a show jumping arena that must be
5 acres or more, three large sand dressage arenas, a double size sand arena
for dressage warm up, and a large area for jumping warm up. There are at
least three or four cross country courses, from Novice level to Three Day
Preliminary level. There is a steeplechase course that looks like something
out of an old English hunting print.
St. James Farm has been host to some important shows - the selection trials
for the dressage team for the Pan Am Games this year, the Preliminary Event
Championships this year, and some others.
The whole place is well kept and immaculately groomed. It is obvious that
Brooks does not worry about money when making his plans. If Brooks wants it,
and growing up rich can give you some expensive tastes, Brooks buys it.
However, St. James Farm is not a boarding stable or a horse condominium. You
are welcome to bring your horse on the property only for shows or by special
invitation. There is some question, at least by those not in the know, about
what will happen to the place after Brooks dies. Some people think that he
will donate the whole thing to the USET, which will turn it into another
training facility like the one in Gladstone or Hamilton (I think there's
one there). Another rumor has it that he will donate all or part of it to
some university for them to build a branch medical school. All I know for
sure is that he hasn't asked me if I'd take it. 8-)
Carl Deitrick
ihnp4!ihuxv!cbd
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From: [email protected] (Patt Haring)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Christmas Presents for Horselovers & Horses
Keywords: mail order catalogs
Date: 3 Nov 87 14:15:59 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The Big Electric Cat
Congratulations on the newsgroup: rec.equestrian!
I just received "Chick's 1987 Christmas Catalog" chock full of
wonderful presents for horselovers (my daughter and myself) and
horses (new foal at the barn and my daughter's *favorite*
quarterhorse). If anyone would like a copy of this catalog,
I believe you can call their toll free order number:
The prices are effective thru Spring '88.
The merchandise in this catalog is much more reasonably priced
than Miller's. Yes, I, too, consider Miller's to be the
creme de la creme of catalogs but the only time I ever enter
the store (NYC) is during summer sales and right after the
Madison Square Garden Horse Show when many things are marked
down.
Here's a sample price comparison: I bought my daughter's
rubber riding boots at Miller's for $20 and change and
they're listed at $14.95 in Chick's catalog.
She's been asking for schooling chaps for several months but
they've always been too expensive a purchase for me considering
she'll outgrow them soon but I just checked the price on a pair
of schooling chaps for her in Chick's catalog: she'll get
a nice surprise Christmas morning!
Last year at Christmas, Jill's favorite quarter horse got a
Clondike blanket, new leg wraps, new water bucket and several
bags of carrots.
I was lucky enough to find a $30.00 book "All Those Girls
In Love With Horses" in the Publishers' Clearinghouse Catalog
priced at $14.95, which we gave as presents to Jill's friends.
Does anyone want to start a Christmas wish list?
--
Patt Haring UUCP: ..cmcl2!phri!dasys1!patth
Big Electric Cat Compu$erve: 76566,2510
New York, NY, USA MCI Mail: 306-1255; GEnie: PHaring
(212) 879-9031 FidoNet Mail: 1:107/132 or 107/222
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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 87 01:17:57 EST
From: [email protected]
Subject: Fall Update
Hi everyone....
I can't believe we are into November already, it seems like summer just
got started. I have been reading what everyone has been up to all year
and I thought you might like to hear how my summer went.
A little backgound on me and my horse - I have a 4 yr old black and white
Paint/Pinto. He drives, rides western and english and his name is Rain.
We started out our very first show season real good. Our first show
was a Paint show in Ft Atkinson, WI. We showed in only 2 classes (starting
out slow). In jr horse we took a 3rd out of 7 horses and in amature owner
a 5th out of 9 horses. This may not sound like much to some but to me it
was great. This was our 1st show together and the 1st show of the year.
All I was really looking for was a good ride and complete cooperation
from Rain and really didn't expect to place. There has been some stiff
compition in this area for jr horse in Paints. By the way these classes
were all western riding. I'm not too good at english yet (but working on
it).
Our next show we also were in a driving class. There were only 2 horses
and we took 2nd. Rain didn't want to back straight and I guess the judge
counted us down. I didn't place in the riding classes but Rain did give
me a good ride and behaved himself. By the 3rd show tho things got better.
We only showed in the driving class because Rain had started teething real
hard and his mouth would get sore if he had a bit in too long. We started
out the day with quite a upset. We had 4 classes to go before our driving
class, so I had Rain all harnessed up and was getting ready to warm him
up a little. My trainer was adjusting the headstall when Rain backed up
a step into a rut and lost his balance. Down he went harness, cart and all.
The cart didn't tip over but it made it impossible for him to get up. I
jumped out of the cart while Marie got Rain to lay still on his side. We
completely unharnessed him and got the cart away from him so he could stand.
We had attracted quite a crowd by now with lots of offers of help. But Rain
was ok and able to stand. I figured that was it for this show because he
wouldn't be calmed down enough for the class and went to cancel out. By the
time I got back Marie had him harnessed up again and was driving him. He
acted like nothing had happened except he wanted to keep trotting. Marie
thought he would be ok if we had more time to calm him down. So off I went
againg to the office. They were more than happy to have a driving class
(most shows don't have any and there were 3 of us at this show) and willing
to put the class in at a later spot. Well when the class finally rolled
around Rain took 1st place. This was our very first 1st place. We had
some nice complements about our driving class afterwards. Unfortunaly
tho it was the last show for Rain for the summer. His teeth started really
bothering him bad. The vet said not to ride him in a bit till he got over
it. His tushes are the ones that are causeing the most problems. I couldn't
show him in a bossal because I had already shown him in a shank bit. So
Rain got the rest of the summer off. But I'm really looking forward to
next year.
Right now we just go on nice trail rides and work on trail class obstacles.
One of his tusks are in and the other one is close. I know most horses
don't react much when their teeth come in but Rain seems a little more
sensitive to pain than most horses. He is such a lover tho I guess I can
overlook minor things like that. I have let completely new riders get on
him (under supervision) and he behaves like a gentleman. It gets more
fun each year we learn together. I have had him since he was a yearling.
I still had a productive summer. I keep up the lessons and Marie trys to
have me ride as many different horse as possible. When training horses
come in, if the owners oks it, I get to ride them after they are done with
their training. Recently I have been riding a foxtrotter. Boy are they lots
of fun. If you are riding with someone else they need to be on a foxtrotter
too. They are so smooth to ride and you really cover ground when you put
them into their foxtrot. There are 2 of them at the barn now and Marie and
I go out whenever we can on them. They will be gone the end of November.
If you ever get a chance to ride one, go for it. They are great to ride.
I guess thats it for me for awhile. I hope everyone had a great summer and
has a terrific next year.
One more thing. Awhile back someone was looking for some good reading on
horse behavior. A couple of books I really enjoyed reading are The Horses
Mind by Lucy Rees (examines instinct, motivation, emotion and reasoning)
and The Body Language of Horses by Dr. Marthe Kiley-Worthington
(covers importance of touching, postures, tail swishing, nipping and
solving behavioral problems).
Well got to get to work now. Happy Thanksgiving everyone.
Pam Benson ihlpa!pkb and Navajo "Rain" Dance
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Date: 8 Nov 87 19:35:34 GMT
From: [email protected] (dziegler)
Organization: U. of Waterloo, Ontario
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: What's to know about twitches?
In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Rob Bernardo) writes:
>I need to buy a twitch (to use when the vet comes and gives my horse
>a worming via a tube down the nostril). I know nothing about them.
>Are there various sorts? If so, what are their relative advantages
>and disadvantages?
>
>T.I.A.
>--
>Rob Bernardo, San Ramon, CA (415) 823-2417
>I'm not a bug, I'm a feature. {pyramid|ihnp4|dual}!ptsfa!rob
hi im a guest user.my name is yolanda .im replying to your inquiry
about twitches.first of all you have to be carefull in using a
twitch because you don't want to hurt your horse too much,but you do
want it to be effective.you can make a twitch for the horses nose out
of bindertwine attatched to a cut off broomstick handle.you can also
purchase one with a chain at a tack shop.another homemade twitch
which i have found most effective is just a string of bindertwine
put in the horses mouth.place the string on top of the gums above the horses
front teeth under the lip,hold the ends of the string under its chin
as soon as the horse acts up you give a sharp tug on the string so the
horse knows it will have pain if it acts up.as soon as your horse is
quiet releive the pressure but keep the string on the gum.some farriers
use this method and find it quite effective.well, hope that helped
someone !from a friendly horse lover ,yolanda.
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Date: 11 Nov 87 14:43:15 GMT
From: [email protected] (Deitrick)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories - Naperville, Illinois
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Potomac Fever
I first heard about Potomac Fever about five or six years ago. There were
reports from Virginia and Maryland about mysterious sicknesses in horses,
sicknesses whose only distinguishing marks I remember are violent diarrhea
and a high fatality rate. I recall vaguely that the problem seemed to happen
only around rivers. At the time, there was no idea what the cause was.
I'm asking about this because the owner of the stable where I keep the horse
insisted that all horses get shots for Potomac Fever as part of their fall
tune-up. It seems obvious, then, that several things have happened in the
past five years: the cause of the sickness has been discovered, the sickness
has been found to occur in places other than along rivers, and an effective
vaccine/whatever has been developed for the disease.
Can anyone tell me for sure what is known about Potomac Fever? What is the
cause? Why do we in the Midwest have to be concerned about it? How safe is
the vaccine? Is there a treatment if a horse gets the disease?
Carl Deitrick
ihnp4!ihuxv!cbd
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Date: 13 Nov 87 00:51:48 GMT
From: [email protected] (45261-Benson)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories - Naperville, Illinois
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Potomac Fever
> I first heard about Potomac Fever about five or six years ago.
> Can anyone tell me for sure what is known about Potomac Fever? What is the
> cause? Why do we in the Midwest have to be concerned about it? How safe is
> the vaccine? Is there a treatment if a horse gets the disease?
>
> Carl Deitrick
> ihnp4!ihuxv!cbd
This is summerized from the Nov. issue of EQUUS (vol 121) without their
permission.
It appeared in Maryland in 1979 without warning. It was a highly fatal
condition characterized by depression and diarrhea (2 signs associated
with a number of other maladies, including salmonellosis and poisoning.
By Sept. 1984 the disease's causative agent - "Ehrlichia risticii" was
identified throught the efforts of Miodrag Ristic, DVM, PhD, and
Cynthia Holland, MS, at the University of Illinois.
By 1985, various antibiotic treatments had reduced the PHF death rate
to 7% from a high of 36% in 1983. A diagnostic test and vaccine have
also been developed for the disease, which has spread from coast to
coast and into Canada. No one yet knows how PHF is transmitted.
Hope this answers some of your questions. I also seem to remember reading
somewhere (one of my horse magazines) that some researchers thought it
might be transmitted by the dog tick. Their reasoning was that the disease
always seems to cover the same area as the dog tick resides. They have also
found some humans (vets, lumberjacks, etc) that are in the same area to be
carrying anti-bodies. It doesn't seem to affect people as severly as it
does horses. If someone wants I can dig through my magazines to find where
I read the article.
Pam Benson ihlpa!pkb
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Date: 13 Nov 87 15:41:09 GMT
From: [email protected] (susans)
Organization: Consumer Financial Institute, Waltham, Mass.
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Aging Mare
We have a problem. Kate (registered with the A.Q.H.A. as Bilada Kay) is
in her 20's, is very arthritic, but is otherwise in excellent health. She
lives at my parent's house in her own private barn with a 12 by 14 boxstall
complete with window and heatlamp, and of course fresh water.
My parents are well able to provide for her indefinetly, but it breaks my
heart to know that she has outlived her useful life and has nothing to do!
Her corral is spacious but uninteresting -- that is to say there is no
grazing other than a few weeds and moss, and she is too set in her ways to
consider a companion horse because of the danger of the other horse trying
to dominate her and perhaps injuring her. Also, my parent travel frequenntly,
and have a neighbor care for Kate but would not want the responsibility of
someone else's horse. We tried it once, and the other owner didn't take
proper care of her horse, so we asked her to leave. My parents are too busy
to get another, young horse, and I can't afford one.
Because her health is excellent,
my parents won't consider putting her down, but she can't be ridden at all.
I know she is in some pain, and she takes bute (phenylbutazone?) daily. Does
anyone know the effects of daily bute over a long period? I have asked my
parents repeatedly to find a farm or stable with grazing land to send her to --
out to pasture as they say, but they won't part with her. Kate was and
is a part of the family. (we have had no qualms about sending both
grandmothers to nursing homes!) Can anyone suggest ways to improve this
valiant old girls "quality of life" or places in the New England area that
might accept an old horse? I expect that you need to pay an endowment of
some sort for expenses. This would not be a problem. I have also thought
of getting a goat or sheep to keep her company, but we have dogs.
I must point out that the horse shows none of the usual signs of boredom
e.g. cribbing, kicking, or trying to get out of the corral. I can
leave the gate open while I clean her stall, and she won't even step out.
Her temperment has remained even, and her coat and weight are excellent,
considering she gets no exercise at all. She was a gymkana horse in
California, and I our town's champion, a long, long time ago. Her arthritis
was diagnosed far in advance of her disability -- when she was only eight
years old. The vet surmised that she was ridden far too young, and was
never properly shod while being used as a stock horse before we bought her.
In short, she is a "tough broad" who deserves better than a dirt patch
and plentiful food. I know that she is getting better treatment
than many old horses, and while I don't encourage euthanasia except when
absolutely necessary, they say a horse with bad legs is no horse at all.
Thank you.
--
Susan Scheide (susans)
"Another friend of Bill's"
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Date: 13 Nov 87 01:56:34 GMT
From: [email protected]
Subject: bedding material for winter?
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
This will be the first year that I will be wintering my two horses at my
own stable. I am a novice horse owner and I read and try to get as much
info as I can. I talk to many of the farmers where I get my hay and feed
and they have shattered my belief in using wood chips for stable bedding
in the winter. They suggest that I use hay instead since it holds the heat
in better and my horses won't get sick. I'd like to hear anyone's views
on the subject of bedding material and what you would recommend.
One of my horses, a 3 yr. old Standardbred, "Budweiser", is a very messy horse.
When I've used hay in his stall, I found that it did not absorb his urine as
well as the chips so he had a perpetual wet spot in the center of his 12 x 12
box stall. He sleeps in a different direction than he eats, so therefore
the manure is constantly being tracked around the middle of the wet spot.
He never seems to urinate when he's outside in his turnout, but always waits
until he is back in his stall with fresh bedding to relieve himself. How can he
be taught to mess in one area of his stall as my other horse, a 13 yr. old
registered Palomino, "PC", does? "Bud" is prone to chills and I don't like
the idea of him lying down on wet bedding.
I'd also like to hear your opinions on graining with sweet feed vs. oats? I
currently give my horses 1/2 oats and 1/2 12% Sweet Horse which seems to do
them well. My farrier comments that they look the proper weight. What are your
experiences with other types of grain?
Finally, one more thing, I am looking for a place that I could get a good deal
on a new Miller's Olympia II all-purpose english saddle. It list around $750.
Does anyone know of a good mail-order, outlet, or tack shop that has bargain
prices? I sat on the saddle in a tack shop and decided it was the one for me.
Thanks in advance! Please reply either e-mail or net. I love reading this
newsgroup.
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Date: 15 Nov 87 13:43:33 GMT
From: [email protected] (Deitrick)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories - Naperville, Illinois
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Straw Vs. Shavings For Bedding
I haven't seen that the type of bedding (straw vs. shavings) makes a large
difference. For a year and a half, my horse was bedded on straw and got along
just fine. After that year and a half, I moved my horse to a stable that beds
on shavings. He's been there now for another year and a half and has had no
problems with the bedding.
Shavings can hold heat as well as straw. The shavings in my horse's stall are
about 8 inches deep and have kind of 'composted'. The 'composting' generates
heat and keeps the shavings on the bottom warm. Every day the stall is cleaned
and new shavings added, but the mass of shavings on the bottom that provide
heat remains.
I think that the choice between straw and shavings for bedding is based on
other factors: which is cheaper to buy and store, which is easier to dispose
of, which is easier to clean, how must dust each generates, etc. You also
have to consider that some horses will eat straw bedding.
Carl Deitrick
ihnp4!ihuxv!cbd
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Date: 16 Nov 87 15:28:35 GMT
From: [email protected] (Jennifer Moore)
Organization: Theory Center, Cornell U., Ithaca NY
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Aging Mare
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (susans) writes:
>
> Can anyone suggest ways to improve this
> valiant old girls "quality of life"
Yes, I have a suggestion. What about a pony friend? One of the
saddest things to see is an old pony turned out to pasture and
neglected because the kids have outgrown it. I expect that it
wouldn't be too difficult to find one of these ponies and obtain
it cheeply (if not for free) in exchange for the promise to give
it a good retirement home. And it would be killing two birds
with one stone, as it were. Your horse would get a companion of
the most preferable species (to a horse), and the pony would get
a good home and good care as well. Hope this helps.
Jennifer Moore
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
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End of Equestrian Digest
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| 77.41 | Equestrian Digest Issue #68 | LDP::BELANGER | Boycott Boycotts! | Tue Dec 01 1987 09:38 | 443 |
| Equestrian Digest Mon 30 Nov 1987 Issue 68
Today's Topics:
Re: twitches
Re: Re: Worming (was "What's to know about twitches?")
riding with a young child
Re: Aging Mare
rec.equestrian
Re: riding with a young child
Re: riding with a young child
Aging Mare Ending
Re: Nutrional Value and Prophylactic Penicillin
Practical Horseman, December 1987 contents
Equus, December 1987 contents
nodular necrobiosis
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Date: 18 Nov 87 05:14:35 GMT
From: [email protected] (Jean Marie Diaz)
Organization: Madhouse International Technologies
Subject: Re: twitches
In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Wendy Milner) writes:
>Don't cause your horse pain by using a twitch incorrectly.
>Have some one who knows show you how first.
You certainly don't want to cause the horse pain, but you don't want him
to cause you pain, either -- that's the point, isn't it? (As my vet
said, while performing a rectal exam on a bitchy mare, "Right now, you
and that twitch are the only things standing between me and Saint
Peter...")
Neither is a twitch the universal panacea. I once had a half-arab who
went into a blind panic the first (and only!) time I had electric
clippers used on her ears, and needed a twitch AND two brawny handlers
to hold her in place. After that experience (since I didn't have the
brawny handlers available on a regular basis :-), I used scissors and a
safety razor on her ears when we were heading for a show.
AMBAR
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Date: 18 Nov 87 16:25:04 GMT
From: [email protected] (Pete Bellas)
Organization: Citicorp/TTI, Santa Monica
Subject: Re: Re: Worming (was "What's to know about twitches?")
In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Wendy Milner) writes:
>
>The object of a twitch is not to cause pain!!!!!
>A twitch is placed over a group of nerves to which
>the horse responds. This is similar to taking hold
>of a cat by the scruff of the neck...
If I remember correctly the stimulation of these nerve groups causes the
production of "endorphins" (sp?) which are a natural anesthetic/tranquilizer.
If you pick up a cat properly by the scruff of the neck (there is a right
and a wrong way) just look at it's face, eyes glassy, totally relaxed and
no sign of pain (if there is then you have picked it up wrong). The same
goes for horses and a twitch, if applied properly it prevents the horse
from feeling any pain. We stitched up my horses flank (50 stitches) after
an accident using only a twitch, there was no sign of any pain when cleaning
or closing the wound.
-Pete-
--
*Pete Bellas "During the Third Reconcilliation he came in *
*Citicorp/TTI the form of a giant Sloor!" *
*Santa Monica, CA Vinze Plortho (Keymaster of Gozer) *
*Path:{trwrb|philabs|csun|psivax}!ttidca!bellas or [email protected] *
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Date: 19 Nov 87 21:02:16 GMT
From: [email protected] (Sue Watkins)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill
Subject: riding with a young child
Does anyone have suggestions as to how to manage horseback riding with a
very young child, 6 months to be exact. A babysitter of course is the
logical answer but since we see Kate so little during the week we hate to
leave her during the weekend. I've only been out riding once this fall
and would really like to ride more in the Spring. I'm wondering if
I could maybe convert a child bicycle seat (the kind that sits on the
fender) for use on a horse. We take Kate hiking about twice a week
and she's fine in the baby backpack put I'm afraid the bouncing on
the horse would be too much for her. Is there by change some
contraption already invented in the equestrian world? Any and all
suggestions appreciated.
------------------------------
Date: 19 Nov 87 22:32:29 GMT
From: [email protected] (short-timer)
Organization: Data I/O Corporation; Redmond, WA
Subject: Re: Aging Mare
Regarding the sweet "old broad"....don't give up that idea of the
companion animal. Are you certain goats wouldn't work out? I have some
French Alpine goats that share my farm with my big Shephard/Doberman
and the two types seem to get along. Sure, Bear (the dog) chases the
goats, but I think the goats like it. Goats are so much like young
mischievous boys...they love the thrill of the chase. And when bear
catches them, he just stands there, the thrill being now gone.
If goats seem too risky, why not get a llama? They're quite popular
up here in the Northwest. My neighbor's llama, Chico, guards her pony
and cattle, and chases marauding dogs/coyotes off the property!!!
Best of luck!
Ingrid Tenggren (Data I/O Corp's Real Swede)
UUCP:{ihnp4|caip|tektronix|ucbvax}!uw-beaver!uw-entr!dataio!pilchuck!ingrid
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 87 16:07:00 CST
From: [email protected]
Sent: Fri Nov 20 1987, 16:06:54 CST
Subject: rec.equestrian
Those of you living in Northern Illinois, are you familar with the Temple
Farms in Wadsworth? They have the largest herd of Lippizans outside of
Austria. About 7 years ago, some disease was going around the Temple barns that
killed off a large part of his herd before he determined what it was. My
ex-So's in-laws lived on one his farms where he kept the fillies. Thirteen of
the 30 head died. If I remember correctly he called in vets from the Disease
Control Center to help get it under control. Does anyone remember what it
was? Was it Potomoc Fever? Every year, he permits the Lake County Sheriff's
Mounted Posse to hold a ride on his land. That he year they didn't have the
ride because they didn't know how the disease was spread and didn't want to
take a chance on spreading it all over Lake County.
Regarding the feed question: I always bought feed for my own horses. During the
summer months, we fed 1/2 sweet feed and 1/2 oats. In the winter months, we
changed to 1/2 sweet feed and 1/2 corn because the corn provides more warmth.
The blanketing question: When trailering my horse for Cowboy Polo in the
winter (October - February), I always blanketed. That wind gets cold! Members
of our horse club gave their horses penicillian shots when trailering them
long distances, to prevent Shipping Fever.
I'm still horseless, but enjoy reading about all of your adventures. Keep those
digests coming. Thanks
Kathy Ladewig
------------------------------
Date: 20 Nov 87 15:37:29 GMT
From: [email protected] (BurnhamRD)
Organization: AT&T, Denver, CO
Subject: Re: riding with a young child
in article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Sue Watkins) says:
>
>
> Does anyone have suggestions as to how to manage horseback riding with a
> very young child, 6 months to be exact. A babysitter of course is the
I would think that your best bet would be to use what you use for
hiking. If a trot is too much bounce then slow the horse down to a
walk. A bicycle set for kids has no give to it at all. I would
think that bouncing in that would hurt.
By the way it will not be long before your child will be riding. My
son started riding his welch pony at 3 years with help and the
following year he was riding by himself.
Bob
------------------------------
Date: 20 Nov 87 17:17:45 GMT
From: [email protected]
Organization: The Pennsylvania State University - Computation Center
Subject: Re: riding with a young child
I haven't had any direct experience, but I've seen rave reviews for a
special saddle for a parent/child combination. The saddle was designed
by a school teacher who wanted to go cross country (yes, including small
jumps) with her toddler. The child sits up front with her/his own set
of stirrups. The saddle is made similar to a bare back pad but with
leather - it looks very secure. It is sold through Miller's (it's
in their catalog) and I remember it being very reasonably priced (about
$300 I think). The review article may have been in EQUUS, I can't
remember what issue.
Hope this get's you started. Happy Trails.
------------------------------
Date: 23 Nov 87 12:37:32 GMT
From: susans <[email protected]>
Organization: Consumer Financial Institute, Waltham, Mass.
Subject: Aging Mare Ending
My thanks to those who responded to my earlier posting asking for advice
on what to do with my aging quarter horse mare. The vet was out last week
to take X-rays, and we found that there is NO cartilage left in her left
front leg, and almost none in the right, so today (11/23) she is being put
down for "the big sleep."
We are very, very sad about Kate's up coming death -- knowing about it is
even worse. I went to see her yesterday, and she looked so healthy and
happy, until she walked, it was hard to justify our plans. She munched on
some hay while we chose a gravesite. The bulldozer will come first. It
is too horrible to think about.
Again, I thank you, and hope none of you are putting off a similar decision
like we did. She must be in terrible pain -- and our fear is no reason to
prolong that pain.
--
Susan Scheide (susans)
"Another friend of Bill's"
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Date: 23 Nov 87 18:40:35 GMT
From: [email protected] (ClerLJ)
Organization: AT&T, Denver, CO
Subject: Re: Nutrional Value and Prophylactic Penicillin
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
writes:
> [Deleted text]
>
> Regarding the feed question: I always bought feed for my own horses.
> During the summer months, we fed 1/2 sweet feed and 1/2 oats. In the
> winter months, we changed to 1/2 sweet feed and 1/2 corn because the
> corn provides more warmth.
>
Every "scholarly" work I've read concerning the warmth provided by
various grain and forage products indicates that there is no
difference in the "warmth" provided by corn or oats, or hay for that
matter. It is simply a matter of feeding by Calories (Kcals). If one
feeds 10,000 Calories, it didn't matter whether they were provided by
corn, oats, barley, timothy, etc. The only exception I've heard of is
this: some believe (but have not documented) that grass and other
forage products may provide more "warmth" due to the heat produced by
the fermentation in the gut. One still hears lots of comments like
the above "corn provideing more warmth", but I think in the face of
evidence to the contrary that they are well intended but unfounded.
There are two other aspects of this issue: 1) the cost per Kcal of the
various feed products, and 2) the energy density of the feed products.
Regarding 1) shop around for the best value. Regarding 2), one can
get to the point where the horse is satiated, but does not have enough
Calories due to the low energy density of the feed. The horse will
lose weight, but not be hungry.
>
> [Deleted more text]
>
> Members of our horse club gave their horses penicillian shots when
> trailering them long distances, to prevent Shipping Fever.
>
I question the value of this kind of prophylactic treatment. But,
before delving into this, I want to talk about Shipping Fever in
general. In the vernacular, two illnesses are referred to as Shipping
Fever (it seems coloquial usage dictates the meaning). One is Strangles,
the disease caused by the bacterium Strptococcus Equi. This disease,
now has an effective vaccine which is relatively free of deliterious
side effects. This cannot be said of older vaccines for this disease.
Thus, prophylactic treatment with penicillin, is unnecesary with a
proper program of vaccination. The other illness commonly refered to
as shipping fever is marked by general malaise, but is otherwise non-
specific. I believe *personal opinion* that this is a stress induced
problem. This can be improved, by CAREFUL driving, good trailer
suspension, appropriate interior trailer colors (light grey, for
example), etc. Again, prophylactic treatment with penicillin would be
ineffective. Indiscriminate use of penicillin does have deliterious
effects including, reducing its effectiveness for those times when it
is truely needed.
I don't want Kathy, or anyone else for that matter, to take this
personally. You cannot see me, read my facial expressions, etc., to
know that I just want what is best for our horses. In addition,
between my wife and I, we have over 150,000 miles experience hauling
horse trailers and more than 25 years experience caring for horses.
>
> Kathy Ladewig
Larry & Nancy Cler
ihnp4!drutx!ljc
Foxhill Stables, Inc.
PS, I am not a veterinarian; if you have further questions about
Shipping Fever and/or penicillin please see your vet. For questions
about nutritional values of various feeds, your county extension
advisor can be very helpful.
------------------------------
From: [email protected]
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 87 08:02:20 EST
Subject: Practical Horseman, December 1987 contents
Here is another magazine table of contents. Statements in [ ] are my
additions. Feel free to send queries if you want to know more about a
particular listed item, I'll try to assist.
Robin Crickman, ...caip!meccts!foundln!robin
Practical Horseman (Volume 15, number 12) December 1987
FEATURES
Neil Ayer. Asking The Cross-Country Question. On a walk around an actual
three-day-event course, the international designer points out the challenges
posed at every jump.
A Cost-Control Approach To Breeding Your Mare. You're stuck with the stud
fee and shipping; some veterinary costs are unavoidable; but when it comes
to the board bill, you may be able to save yourself a bundle.
A Horseman's Guide To Raising Money. Whether it's a saddle you want or
a new stable, the money is out there and available at a price, if you know
where to look.
Stable Skills. Training Your Horse's Mane To Lie Flat. The quick method
will lay the stubbornest mane flat fast.
Step-By-Step. Debbie Shinn-Bowman. Dressage Sense. How To Make A Sound
Start In An All-Around Serviceable Sport. Whatever your goals, whatever
your horse's line of work this down-to-earth series taught by a world-c;ass
rider will help you both perform at your best. Lesson Four (Conclusion):
Achieving Straightness.
DEPARTMENTS
Jumping Clinic with George Morris [regular feature wherein Morris criticizes
riders from photographs they send in]
Saddle Ways and Bridle Whys. Rider Jan Ebeling details a method for negotiating
accurate turns; Dr. Ellen Ziemer looks at causes and cures for anemia;
trainer Pete Kyle on relaxing a horse at an indoor show.
What Do You Do? You open the tack-room door to find the racks stripped
bare.
Forum. For stall bedding, is there a practical alternative to straw and
shavings? Stable owners Susan Miles [who uses shredded paper], Belinda
Perry [who uses no bedding but houses horses in paddocks with loafing sheds]
and Jim Body [who is using rice hulls] discuss possibilities.
Idea Exchange [Use dental floss for sewing horse clothes. Put vaseline
on feet to keep snow out. Use nail polish remover to get paint stains
off bell boots.]
Confirmation Clinic with Champ Hough [3 TB's ]
------------------------------
From: [email protected]
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 87 08:03:07 EST
Subject: Equus, December 1987 contents
Here is another magazine table of contents. Statements in [ ] are my
additions. Feel free to send queries if you want to know more about a
particular listed item, I'll try to assist.
Robin Crickman, ...caip!meccts!foundln!robin
EQUUS, (number 122) December 1987
The Take-Charge Thyroid. This golf-ball-sized gland regulates virtually
every process in the horse's body when all is well. Its malfunction, however,
can trigger hoof disturbances, reproductive difficulties and hyperactivity.
Riding Short: The Jockey's Art. Strength, coordination, intelligence and
horsemanship keep the best of the breed ahead of the competition.
The EQUUS 10-Year Index.
Riding Out The Storm. Steer clear of foul-weather disasters by helping
your horses to fend for themselves.
Can You Tell A Product By Its Cover? Despite the information package labels
pass along, there are still big gaps left for you to fill as you search
for the best buys.
The File, a roundup of news and views that matter to the horse world.
Jackpot racing.
Endurance duel in the Old Dominion [galloping photo finish after 100
miles!]
Off and running [growing pains of Marion duPont Scott Equine Center]
Mouldy Corn Poisoning [more LEM warnings for East Coast this year]
Elbow room for research [Kentucky builds elaborate equine vet center]
Breeding meter. A Vaginal probe that measures electrical resistance
aids in ovulation detection.
Feed form facilitates gut function. Research shows that the processing
method known as extrusion may help to prevent colic in horses.
EQUUS Consultants is a monthly feature in which selected experts from across
the country respond to questions raised by readers.
Did orphan's diet cause crooked legs? [Suspicion is that diet was too
in phosphorus]
Arsenic:Toxin or Tonic? [Arsenic does not improve coats except in minute
amounts, use with great caution]
Acclimating the "odd mare out"
When fetal growth goes awry. [Severe wry nose foals cannot be destroyed,
but such defects are blessedly rare and not genetic]
------------------------------
Date: 30 Nov 87 16:17:00 GMT
From: [email protected] (Tina D. McGowan)
Organization: S-1 Project, LLNL
Subject: nodular necrobiosis
Hi!
My mare has lumps/sores on her back that have been diagnosed as
nodular necrobiosis. They are not serious (they itch a little) but they
are aggravated by a saddle blanket (become sores). The vet has suggested
2 treatments: 1) surgically remove the largest one and the rest usually go
away, 2) inject the largest one with steroids and the rest usually go
away. He said that the steroid treatment is most successful, but may cause
her to founder. I am torn at this point. What she has is not fatal, but
I don't feel comfortable "soring a horse's back" when I ride it so I want to
do something to alleviate this condition. Has anyone else had experience with
nodular necrobiosis? What did you do? Thanks,
Tina D. McGowan
ARPA: [email protected]
UUCP: {lll-lcc,lll-tis,seismo,decwrl,rutgers}!mordor!tdm
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| 77.42 | Equestrian Digest Issue #69 | LDP::BELANGER | Boycott Boycotts! | Fri Dec 04 1987 08:05 | 297 |
| Equestrian Digest Thu 3 Dec 1987 Issue 69
Today's Topics:
Re: Aging Mare Ending
Re: bedding material for winter?
Corn and Penicillin
RE:bedding material for winter?
nodular necrobiosis
riding with a young child
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From: [email protected] (Wendy Milner)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Aging Mare Ending
Date: 23 Nov 87 17:53:07 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Ft. Collins CO
The long term effects of bute are not great if you take
care to buffer it. As with asprin in people, bute can
cause stomach ulcers. However, if you feed plenty of
hay - which means less grain - and have free choice
water available, you should not have much problem. The
hay acts as a buffering agent. Thus, don't give the
bute before you feed in the morning, but rather after
feeding.
I also second the choice of an older pony as a companion
for your mare. The owner of the pony would probably be
happy to find a good home for the no-longer-needed pony
and sell it cheeply, or just give it to you.
Wendy
------------------------------
From: [email protected] (Wendy Milner)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: bedding material for winter?
Date: 20 Nov 87 22:24:42 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Ft. Collins CO
For information on the benefits of different grains, or any feed,
get a copy of HORSE NUTRITION: A PRACTICAL GUIDE by Harold Hintz.
This is the bible of nutrition. Not only does this book give
recomendations, which you can chose to accept or not (the book
was first published in 1937 and updated since then), but it also
gives numbers such as Digestable Energy, % Protein, and all the
mineral content of most feeds.
The description of various grains explains some of the pros and
cons of them, I'll summarize since I doubt many people have the
book.
Corn has 1.35 DE (MCal/lb), 8% protein, is high in vitamine A,
and if it is not processed correctly, tends to mold easily.
Oats has 1.35 DE, 12% protein, is higher in fiber than corn.
Barley has 1.5 DE, 12% protein and is also high in fiber.
All three of these grains are available in most feed stores in
either grain only, grain and mollases, or mixed with other grains
forms.
Molasses is used to add calories to the feed. It is also used
when the horse won't eat the grain without sweeteners.
Oil is also used to add calories to feed. (Generic oil is
cheapest and adds just the same amount of calories as expensive
oils.) 1/4 cup of oil adds 2.72 DE to the feed.
A 1000 lb. horse needs approximately 15.28 DE per day. That's,
again approximately, 25 lbs of hay, grain, etc.
My own comments ----
When deciding which grains to feed, if the horse's weight is
your primary concern, you should adjust the amount of hay you
feed before adding grain. If you hay is low in protein, then
you should add grain. Also, if you feed more than 2.5% of the
horses body weight in hay, you then add grain. If you have a
very hard keeper, or use your horse very hard, such as endurance
riding, then oil can be added for even more calories.
I have more facts is anyone is interested. I did a lot of research
in this area and have written a few articles on the subject. I also
have an inside contact at the local vet hospital who only does nutrition
research.
Wendy
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 87 10:50:05 CST
From: [email protected]
Sent: Tue Dec 1 1987, 10:50:00 CST
Subject: Corn and Penicillin
>> Regarding the feed question: I always bought feed for my own horses.
>> During the summer months, we fed 1/2 sweet feed and 1/2 oats. In the
>> winter months, we changed to 1/2 sweet feed and 1/2 corn because the
>> corn provides more warmth.
>>
>Every "scholarly" work I've read concerning the warmth provided by
>various grain and forage products indicates that there is no
>difference in the "warmth" provided by corn or oats, or hay for that
>matter. It is simply a matter of feeding by Calories (Kcals). If one
>feeds 10,000 Calories, it didn't matter whether they were provided by
>corn, oats, barley, timothy, etc. The only exception I've heard of is
>this: some believe (but have not documented) that grass and other
>forage products may provide more "warmth" due to the heat produced by
>the fermentation in the gut. One still hears lots of comments like
>the above "corn provideing more warmth", but I think in the face of
>evidence to the contrary that they are well intended but unfounded.
>There are two other aspects of this issue: 1) the cost per Kcal of the
>various feed products, and 2) the energy density of the feed products.
>Regarding 1) shop around for the best value. Regarding 2), one can
>get to the point where the horse is satiated, but does not have enough
>Calories due to the low energy density of the feed. The horse will
>lose weight, but not be hungry.
Farmers feed cattle corn because it makes them fatter than oats. All the horses
that I have ever fed, sweated considerably more when their diet included large
proportions of corn as opposed to oats. I would not consider feeding my horses
any amount of corn in the warmer months greater than what is in sweat feed.
>>Members of our horse club gave their horses penicillian shots when
>> trailering them long distances, to prevent Shipping Fever.
>I question the value of this kind of prophylactic treatment. But,
>before delving into this, I want to talk about Shipping Fever in
>general. In the vernacular, two illnesses are referred to as Shipping
>Fever (it seems coloquial usage dictates the meaning). One is Strangles,
>the disease caused by the bacterium Strptococcus Equi. This disease,
>now has an effective vaccine which is relatively free of deliterious
>side effects. This cannot be said of older vaccines for this disease.
>Thus, prophylactic treatment with penicillin, is unnecesary with a
>proper program of vaccination. The other illness commonly refered to
>as shipping fever is marked by general malaise, but is otherwise non-
>specific. I believe *personal opinion* that this is a stress induced
>problem. This can be improved, by CAREFUL driving, good trailer
>suspension, appropriate interior trailer colors (light grey, for
>example), etc. Again, prophylactic treatment with penicillin would be
>ineffective. Indiscriminate use of penicillin does have deliterious
>effects including, reducing its effectiveness for those times when it
>is truely needed.
This Shipping Fever was not due to stress. It was similar to a cold. I'm
talking about trailering horses from Alabama to northern Illinois, not a few
miles to a show. If the fever was due to stress from unCAREFUL driving or
poor trailer suspension, (gimme a break) why did the other horses at the barn
that hadn't been trailered (the ones that lived there) catch it from the new
horses?
Kathy Ladewig
Tandy System Software
{microsoft,ihnp4!sys1!{trsvax!kasey}}
------------------------------
From: [email protected]
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 87 03:48:41 CST
Subject: RE:bedding material for winter?
>This will be the first year that I will be wintering my two horses at my
>own stable. I am a novice horse owner and I read and try to get as much
>info as I can. I talk to many of the farmers where I get my hay and feed
>and they have shattered my belief in using wood chips for stable bedding
>in the winter. They suggest that I use hay instead since it holds the heat
>in better and my horses won't get sick. I'd like to hear anyone's views
>on the subject of bedding material and what you would recommend.
The December issue of PRACTICAL HORSEMAN has an article in the Forum
section on experiences with bedding other than straw and wood. One
person reports that she is quite satisfied with shredded paper. I
would expect that it would be fairly warm as a winter bedding,
especially if you use the deep litter method (no pun intended). Also,
the September issue of EQUUS had an article on mucking out which
included a good deal of discussion on bedding.
>One of my horses, a 3 yr old Standardbred, "Budweiser", is a very messy horse
>When I've used hay in his stall, I found that it did not absorb his urine as
>well as the chips so he had a perpetual wet spot in the center of his 12 x 12
>box stall. He sleeps in a different direction than he eats, so therefore
>the manure is constantly being tracked around the middle of the wet spot.
>He never seems to urinate when he's outside in his turnout, but always waits
>until he's back in his stall with fresh bedding to relieve himself. How can
>he be taught to mess in one area of his stall as my other horse, a 13 yr. old
>registered Palomino, "PC", does? "Bud" is prone to chills and I don't like
>the idea of him lying down on wet bedding.
I have heard that race horses are trained to urinate on command to
facilitate drug testing. Perhaps a reader who knows more about it
will comment on how such training is done and whether it could be used
to get your Standardbred to stale before you put him back into his
stall rather than after.
You find that hay [I think you mean straw] "did not absorb his urine"
and that is exactly how it is supposed to work. Straw is used not to
absorb but to allow the urine to run down underneath and away from the
horse who remains on top of the straw. A properly designed stall for
straw bedding has a very slightly slanted floor which permits liquids
such as spilled water and urine to run down through the straw to the
floor and then out of the stall (hopefully into a gutter or drain).
Absorbent beddings include sawdust, shredded paper and peat moss (I've
never seen this last in use but have read that it is used commonly in
Britian). With them you remove any bedding that becomes wet as soon as
possible and add fresh bedding in its place.
I doubt what my horse uses for bedding would work for yours. Imp is
perfectly happy to live outdoors year round (yes, in Minnesota winters
too) and chooses to sleep in snow at this time of year. However, he
is a very furry critter and even with snow on his coat he is plenty
warm underneath.
Robin Crickman ...caip!meccts!foundln!robin
------------------------------
Date: 1 Dec 87 22:40:49 GMT
From: [email protected] (P.Jayne)
Organization: AT&T-IS, Summit N.J. USA
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: nodular necrobiosis
Is that what those bumps are called? I've heard a few explanations, and
was told that cortisone injections might work. My horse has them, too,
and they did seem to bother him. What I did was to acquire a foam rubber
pad (orange, about 3/4" thick, sized to fit under the saddle (dressage) with
very little overlap). I put this between a light quilt and the saddle pad
and it works great -- at least the horse no longer seems to mind, and the
bumps may have shrunk, not sure. Kind of a nuisance to get the pad just
right though. Good luck. The two other people where I board who have horses
with the bumps also use the pads and like them. If you need more info, I'll
try to find out if they have a name other than "orange pad."
Paul Jayne
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 87 10:22:36 EST
From: Jan Burruss <[email protected]>
Subject: riding with a young child
As a lifelong rider and, more recently, mother of a 1 1/2 year old boy, I must
protest the use of any method of strapping a young baby or child up on a horse
or using a backpack or bellypack to fasten a baby to you while you ride. (What
follows is a tirade against such practices.) I think it is irresponsible and
inexcusable to do more than very careful walking with a young child on a horse.
Please, don't take your baby or toddler riding in a backpack or any other
device, or if you do, hold them onto the saddle yourself and go only at walking
speed. Would you ever forgive yourself if you fell off and your baby crashed
down from 5 or more feet up? Babies and children cannot safely withstand much
shaking and jostling (I'm sure you have all heard about children who have
gotten brain damage due to being roughly shaken -- how different would a canter
be?) Besides, your young child might be very frightened of the whole business
-- this alone is sufficient reason not to do it. Wouldn't an hour of
babysitting while you ride be much the safest and sanest solution?
I am sure many people would think I am irresponsible for taking my son for very
careful and slow walks on our calm, older quarter horse mares who never act up
anyway, and who seem to sense that they need to be EXTRA cautious when Oliver
is going for his short rides. With one arm, I hold him in front of me on an
English saddle (he won't fit on a Western saddle) since the mare also
neckreins. I am lucky enough to have a willing Granma who babysits when I go
riding with my father, so I don't have the problem of no babysitting. (I
started riding again when my son was 3 weeks old and have used babysitting
every time.) Since he was about 9 months old, Oliver has been absolutely
fascinated by my father's horses, so the short walks date from then. At that
age, he could very steadily sit on his own and hold his head steady enough to
risk the jostling even a slow walk gives him. I encourage his fascination, but
not to the point of risking his safety.
Thanks for listening. I mean well and only want the best for babies or young
children of horse enthusiasts such as ourselves.
Jan Burruss
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Equestrian Digest Sat 12 Dec 1987 Issue 69
Today's Topics:
Re: Corn and Penicillin
HELP!!
Re: Corn and Penicillin
Dry skin, bent leg
Reply to HELP!
Re: Dry skin, bent leg
Summary of riding with a young child
Trollview Plays Musical Horses Again
QH prices
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Date: 3 Dec 87 20:52:48 GMT
From: [email protected] (ClerLJ)
Organization: AT&T, Denver, CO
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Corn and Penicillin
>
>>>Regarding the feed question: I always bought feed for my own horses.
>>>During the summer months, we fed 1/2 sweet feed and 1/2 oats. In the
>>>winter months, we changed to 1/2 sweet feed and 1/2 corn because the
>>>corn provides more warmth.
>>>
[Deleted my discussion of warmth of various feed products.]
>
[Deleted my discussion of cost per kcal and of energy density.]
>
>Farmers feed cattle corn because it makes them fatter than oats.
>
Farmers feed cattle corn because it makes them fatter than the same
dollar amount of oats. That is, Calory for Calory, corn is cheaper
than oats. When feeding corn, feed HALF as much (by weight) as you
normaly feed in oats.
>
>All the horses that I have ever fed, sweated considerably more when
>their diet included large proportions of corn as opposed to oats. I
>would not consider feeding my horses any amount of corn in the warmer
>months greater than what is in sweat feed.
>
The sweating of your horses was not caused by the "heat" content of the
corn. When feeding corn reduce the ration by half by weight
There ARE differences between corn and oats: protein content,
electrolite ballances, calcium to phosphorous ratios, etc, ad nasium.
These are important, but the discussion was regarding "heat" content
of feed. The reason oats are the prefered feed for horses has more
to do with historical reasons than anything else. It is simply the
case that horse people have "always" fed oats in the past, thus oats
are the best feed, QED. Obviously, I don't buy this argument, but the
issues are far more complex than just the heat content of the grains.
>
>>>Members of our horse club gave their horses penicillian shots when
>>> trailering them long distances, to prevent Shipping Fever.
>
[Deleted my discussion of shipping fever, and prophylactic treatment
with penicillin.]
>
>This Shipping Fever was not due to stress. It was similar to a cold.
>I'm talking about trailering horses from Alabama to northern Illinois,
>not a few miles to a show.
I presumed you were talking of significant trips, as short trips are
not likely to induce the symptoms you describe.
>If the fever was due to stress from unCAREFUL driving or poor trailer
>suspension, (gimme a break)
This is strictly illegal, but go for a two hour ride in the back of a
horse trailer and tell me that it wasn't stressful. Anything I can do
to make the ride better, smoother, etc. shows up in better performance
at the show and in the overall well being of the horse.
>why did the other horses at the barn that hadn't been trailered (the
>ones that lived there) catch it from the new horses?
>
I beg to differ. Stress opens the door for opertunistic viral
infections, which may, in turn, open the door for bacterial infections.
I specifically verified this sequence with our vet before submitting
this article. Shipping fever is an appropriate name in that it is the
stress of shipping that opens the door for other bugs. These viral
infections do manifest themselves as general malaise or as a cold like
disease. I stand by my statement that vaccination for strangles
(distemper) and other diseases is preferable to and more effective than
indiscriminate use of penicillin. I further believe that the less
stressful the trailering is for the horse, the less likelihood of
opertunistic viral infection. BTW, viral diseases are not treatable
by penicillin.
One other particulary unpleasant side effect of penicillin,
specifically, procaine penicillin, which is 95% of all penicillin
given to horses, is that if you administer it before a show, and then
have a blood test, your horse will be disqualified. Procaine is a
banned drug for use in almost all horse shows, competitions, etc. I
don't know for sure what the half life of procaine is in the horse but
I'm told that it's detectable for at least a week after administration
as procaine penicillin.
>
>Kathy Ladewig
Larry & Nancy Cler
PS, I checked my facts with our veterinarian, (Equine practitioner)
before posting this. He agreed 100% with my comments regarding grain
and indiscriminate use of penicillin. However, he said there are
other vets who will recommend penicillin before trailering. He also
commented that indiscriminate use of penicillin resulted in resistant
strains of VD in humans. How would you like to help engineer strains
of horse diseases that are immune to penicillin? On the other side of
the coin, you can almost "float" a horse on penicillin, and not have any
toxic responses, but this isn't the issue. For the reasons I gave
above , I will continue to stay away from inidiscriminate prophylactic
administration of penicillin, and will continue with a sound program
of vaccination.
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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 87 17:22:06 PST
From: [email protected]
Subject: HELP!!
A while back I asked all you wonderful people for ideas for
ground classes for Pony Club meetings. I recieved responses, and
dutifully saved them in one file. Wellll, we had one of those-there
things called a system crash, and guess which file was among those
now residing in J-Space? Noooo, not that one...not that one either.
Right! You guessed it...my Pony Club file. So here I am, proverbial
hat-in-hand to impose on all you fine people again. If those who
responded before would do so again, I promise to hard-copy everything
BEFORE I file it. Honest!
While I'm here, I've got another little thing to ask. My two
eldest (if you can call 15 and 14 "eld") daughters are going to be in
Chicago the week after Christmas for a visit with my folks. One of
the things high up on their "want to do" list is visit a Mid-Western
barn (maybe to see if things are done differently in the Mid-West??).
They will be staying with my brother for a couple of those days, and
those will probably be the ones used for the barn visit. He lives
in Bollingbrook (WSW...I think...suburb of Chicago), so something in
that area would be great. I don't think the type of barn makes any
difference (as long as they smell like a barn, I guess), but they're
main interest is in eventing, so that may be a bit more interesting
for them. Any info would be _greatly_ appreciated, and I appologize
for the lateness of the request...we weren't too sure we could swing
the deal until two days ago. And I promise to hard-copy any info I
get along this line, too.
Sto lat;
Chip
,,
*** SOLIDARNOSC ***
Chip Kozy (415) 939-2400 @ Varian 2700 Mitchell Dr. Walnut Creek, Cal. 94598
...!ptsfa!varian!vaxwaller!chip
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From: [email protected] (45261-Cole)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Corn and Penicillin
Date: 5 Dec 87 00:13:54 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories - Naperville, Illinois
>Farmers feed cattle corn 'cause it makes them fatter than oats. All the horses
>that I have ever fed, sweated considerably more when their diet included large
>proportions of corn as opposed to oats. I would not consider feeding my horses
>any amount of corn in the warmer months greater than what is in sweat feed.
>
>Kathy Ladewig
I strongly suspect farmers feed cattle corn because it's the cheapest
concentrated source of protein and carbohydrate needed to put on weight.
Here in the midwest, corn is half the price of oats (per pound) and
contains less fiber to fill up on at the expense of the nutrients.
As for the sweating, it's possible there was something other than heat
at work, but it was probably the fact that your "proportions" were based
on volume, not weight. Corn is far more dense than oats (and oats seem
to vary greatly in quality ==> density); a good rule of thumb is that
roughly half the volume of corn is equivalent in energy (calories) to
a given volume of oats. Corn's lack of fiber, concentrated energy,
and ease of spoilage make it a more dangerous feed than oats for horses,
especially in the hands of a well-meaning but non-knowledgeable owner.
It is often overfed, and horses that bolt their feed can choke and
colic on it. For that reason, oats is most often recommended at the
grain of choice for horses.
I mix corn, oats, and sweet feed in differing proportions, depending
on the time of year and the cost and quality of each of the components.
I also add a couple of supplements for some of the horses, depending
upon their needs (brewer's yeast for all in the summer, biotin for one
horse with feet that have a tendency to crack). I *don't* feed a vitamin
supplement, as most of them have far too much vitamin A (cheap!), and
my horses get very high quality green hay in winter, good pasture in
summer, both with plenty of vitamin A.
A question: does anyone feed barley? Though i understand it's an
excellent feed, i've heard it's too hard for horses to handle unless
it's steamed first. Does anyone have any experience with it? Thanks.
from the asymp S [of] TOSCA
tot T lyn cole, IH 1C-201
ic A AT&T Bell Laboratories
al B Naperville, IL 60566
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From: [email protected]
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 87 4:43:22 EST
Subject: Dry skin, bent leg
With all the talk about what to feed horses in the winter, I thought
this might be a good time to ask about dry skin. My mare and colt eat the
same thing (only he eats about twice as much), and although my mare is fine,
my colt has dry skin flakes in his mane and tail. Is this just because its
so dry in the winter, or should I buy some oil to add to his feed or what?
He didn't have this problem in the summer, and I can't really remember if
he had it last winter or not. (He's only 18 months old.)
Also, I found out that my colt's bad foot that is growing slanty
is due to his leg being slightly bent. My farrier says this is from the
way he was laying while in the womb, but can be corrected by proper
trimming. It is his left hind hock that is bent inward, so he is slightly
cowhocked, and worse, his foot has been growing slanting. I am having him
trimmed every eight weeks now, and I take him with me when I ride my mare
so he gets plenty of exercise. Is there anything else I can do to help him?
Also, does this sound reasonable? I have no experience with problem legs.
Ann Heinke
ihnp4!druxm!annh
AT&T
Denver, CO
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From: [email protected] (Deitrick)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Reply to HELP!
Date: 7 Dec 87 14:34:47 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories - Naperville, Illinois
A good place for your daughters to visit would be Fox Meadow Farm, which is on
Hobson Road a half mile east of Naper Blvd in Naperville. It's a public stable,
so they can walk in during the day. There is always someone riding. They teach
dressage and jumping, but there are also people there who ride Western. The
owners are friendly and helpful and shouldn't mind visitors.
When your daughters are there, tell them to look on the north side of the barn
for my horse, an Appaloosa gelding. His name is Jasper and he just *LOVES*
people who will pay some attention to him. Your daughters are free to talk to
him and pet him all they want, but no treats, please.
Carl Deitrick
ihnp4!ihuxv!cbd
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Date: 9 Dec 87 18:09:37 GMT
From: [email protected] (Linda B. Merims)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Dry skin, bent leg
Uneven hoof: There is one examination of the hoof's growth that
you can make visually that sometimes gives a general clue to
what processes may be at work. Look at the hoof's growth rings.
Are the growth rings even around the hoof? If what you see looks like
(a little hard to do on a keyboard):
---------
-----------
-------------
---------------- (as viewed from front or back of hoof)
--------------------/
-----------------/
--------------/
----------/
Then it means that the hoof is producing even growth, but because
of mechanical forces higher up in the leg (the cow hock) the foot
is wearing unevenly.
If, on the other hand, what you see are growth rings that are wide
on the outside of the hoof, but come more closely together as they
circle round to the inside of the hoof (like a spring bent unevenly) then
the foot is not growing its hoof evenly. This could be many things,
usually it indicates some bone misalignment in the lower part of the leg
(fetlock down), or even inside the hoof itself, that is causing a slight
reduction in circulation to the coronary band and hence the uneven
production of horn. (Of course, if the leg has been very bent for a
long period of time, it may have caused the misalignment lower down.)
I'd much rather see the former than the latter.
Linda B. Merims
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Date: 11 Dec 87 15:27:26 GMT
From: [email protected] (Sue Watkins)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Summary of riding with a young child
Thanks to everyone for such good ideas. Several people gave pointers
to the special bareback saddle with two sets of stirrups although it
has been pointed out that bareback saddles can slip under the horse,
something I remember very well from using one is high school. I had
one vote each for using the baby backpack or using the baby snuggli.
I also had the suggestion to use a bicycle helmet on Kate in case of
a fall. And the last suggestion was to try a buggy, one I had already
considered. Well, what am I going to do. The tandem saddle sounds
a bit pricey for what it actually is and I do worry about the slipping
factor. The buggy sounds like a reasonable idea especially given that
I also have a middle age, lame Golden Retriever who is crushed that she
can not keep up horse back riding (I almost had to carry her back on
the horse after one adventure, and she weighs 100 lbs)
Minus of the buggy is that there are not a lot of quiet country roads
where I live in Central Jersey although I could probably take the buggy
in the pick-up truck with the horse trailer and find some sand roads in
the Pinelands. Of course the buggy seems to be getting pretty crowded
what with me, Kate, Norm and Ruby (the dog). This still might work out well since I have a soon-to-be two year old quarter/throughbred
that needs to start earning his keep.
Another option might be to borrow my sister's western saddle and rig
up some sort of apparatus for Kate to ride in front of me. My main
battle plan is to work the two young horses at home during the Spring
and then try one of the above plans in the fall when Kate will be a
year and a half. Next step is to look into buggies; I fondly remember
how much fun I had with a cart and my pony after I got too big for
her. If anyone has leads to good places to look for sturdy buggies
let me know. Thanks again for all the really good suggestions.
Sue Watkins
201-582-7241
mhuxd!refer
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 87 14:34:50 EST
From: Karen Rossen <[email protected]>
Subject: Trollview Plays Musical Horses Again
It's December again - time for the Rossens to shuffle horses! Fribble has been
sold and been replaced (to my great delight) by a little lady - Treasure.
I adore mares and have been continually on the lookout for a good one; I
was lucky to find Treasure. She's something of a freak - a thoroughbred
who's built uphill and naturally carries herself with her poll as her
highest point. She also has a charming personality - so affectionate!
I already have daydreams about breeding her.
Our black gelding, Wendell, is doing fine. He had some limited but
successful showing at Training and First levels in late summer and
fall, and we happily (and hopefully) anticipate his debut at Second Level
next spring. We did get a bit of a shock this past October when
the veterinarian aced the little darling so we could *finally* float
his teeth. I'd been told Wendell was five (independent verification
at time of purchase was made difficult by virtue of firmly clenched
black lips), but after a close perusal of the woozy beast's molars,
my vet (a very experienced and trustworthy woman) pronounced him
"3-1/2 or 4." Oh well.
Treasure, who will be six this spring, and Wendell are already great friends
and we're already looking forward to a productive winter preparing for spring
competitions.
Ken, the quads, and I all join in wishing all the horses and their folds
out in net.land a happy holiday and a new year filled with prosperity and
carrots.
Karen Rossen
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Date: 10 Dec 87 15:03:31 GMT
From: [email protected] (Rich Wagenknecht)
Organization: Rosemount Inc., Eden Prairie, MN
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: QH prices
My wife and I are presently in the uncomfortable situation of having
to sell our quarter horse mare. We have been out of the 'horse world' for
sometime now and are unsure what price we should ask. Following is a
description of the mare:
Name: My Bar Rabbit. Age 14. Color: Dark bay with black stockings. White
strip. 'Bunny' is very heavy with foundation bloodlines. Her great grandsire
is Three Bars. She stands 16.2 hands and is very well muscled. Classic
quarter horse head with large jaw and fine ears. She was 1982 Minnesota all
around youth state champion and missed qualifying for the National show
that year by only a few points. She is an excellent pleasure horse in both
english and western classes. In 1984 my wife was going to sell her and had
some offers at around $10,000. Since then Bunny has retired for the QH show
circuit but has been shown at some open classes. She was bred two years ago
and gave birth to a palomino stud colt. I haven't seen the colt lately so
I don't know how it turned out as an adult.
Anyways, the above is not meant to be advertising. It is only a description.
Obviously the information above is incomplete but, can anyone give me a
ball park figure of what Bunny is worth now. Also, we are very concerned
that Bunny gets a good home. Would any of you check out references or
such of prospective buyers and if so, is it considered proper?
Thankyou,
Rich W
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End of Equestrian Digest
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| 77.44 | Equestrian Digest Issue #70 | LDP::BELANGER | Boycott Boycotts! | Mon Jan 18 1988 12:46 | 11 |
| For those of you who read the Equestrian Digest, it has been brought
to my attention by a reader that two issues numbered 69 were distributed.
Although I don't have both versions, the dates suggest he's right.
I'm about to send out issue #71, having renumbered the second #69 as 70
for my archives, so don't think you've missed an issue.
Sorry for the confusion.
--
Ken Rossen ...!{ihnp4,harvard,seismo}!bbnccv!horse-request
____or____ [email protected] -or- [email protected]
|
| 77.45 | Equestrian Digest Issue #71 | LDP::BELANGER | Boycott Boycotts! | Mon Jan 18 1988 12:47 | 262 |
| Equestrian Digest Sun 27 Dec 1987 Issue 71
Today's Topics:
Re: Corn and Penicillin
Re: Dry skin, bent leg
Re: nodular necrobiosis
Broodmare for sale???
Wild Mustang Class and others!
Grey horse in winter
Antiquarian Horse Book Shop in Cambridge
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: 11 Dec 87 19:51:16 GMT
From: [email protected] (Wendy Milner)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Ft. Collins CO
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Corn and Penicillin
When evaluating the contents of various grains, my main concern
was with calories. I endurance ride and after the first hundred
miles of training, my horse was nice and slim. Since I wanted
to keep at that weight, and she was already getting as much
high quality hay as she could eat, I planned to supliment
with grain. Since barley has the highest per pound calorie
rating of any of the grains, I decided to use it exclusively.
Since the maximum a horse can eat in one day is between 2 and
3% of its body weight, I was more concerned with the
weight/calorie ratio than in the cost/calorie ratio.
I have been using rolled barley in molasses for three years.
During winter, when I do not ride as much, my horse gets
two pounds per day along with 24 pounds of alfalfa (she
weighs in at a trim 1000 lbs.) During the spring and summer,
when I begin campaining her, I up the barley to between 5 and
7 pounds per day, less when she rests, more after a ride, and
half and half grass and alfalfa, free choice. Towards the
end of the summer ride season I add oil for more calories.
Since you do not want to over do the amount of grain, and
the horse can only eat so much hay, oil adds 4 times the
amount of calories as any other feed, and takes up very
little room in the stomic.
To date, I have never had a problem with the feed. My horse
has never been pulled from an endurance ride. She is healthy
and happy.
Wendy
------------------------------
Date: 11 Dec 87 20:00:42 GMT
From: [email protected] (Wendy Milner)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Ft. Collins CO
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Dry skin, bent leg
Another thing to consider when checking out bent legs and
feet in youngsters is the amount of calcium and phosphose
he is getting. An imbalance can cause lots of permanent
damage. Usually there is too much calcium, particularly
if you are feeding "growth" foods like CalfMana. Have your
feed analized.
I happen to like using oil as a food supliment. It is a cheep
and concentrated form of calories. It also makes coats shiney.
Generic vegetable oil is the best. While some of the special
horse oils have additives, they are a lot more expensive and
there are cheeper and better ways to get the same additives.
Wendy
------------------------------
Date: 11 Dec 87 19:28:49 GMT
From: [email protected] (Wendy Milner)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Ft. Collins CO
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: nodular necrobiosis
While I don't have all the information you need on this
problem, I do have a friend who's filly developed the same
thing. Neither of the recomendations your vet made were
given to her, instead, she is giving her horse an
oral medication (sorry, I forget which). You might try
asking another vet, contacting your local vet hospital,
or write to Colorado State University, Vet Teaching
Hospital in Fort Collins, CO. The filly's back is
healing nicely without surgery or any side effects.
Wendy
------------------------------
From: [email protected] (susans)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Broodmare for sale???
Date: 14 Dec 87 15:35:53 GMT
Reply-To: [email protected] (Susan Scheide -CFI-)
Organization: Consumer Financial Institute, Waltham, Mass.
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Summary: One big mare!
Keywords: 14 years old
In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Rich
Wagenknecht) writes:
>
>My wife and I are presently in the uncomfortable situation of having
>to sell our quarter horse mare.
You don't say why you have to sell her. If it is for MONEY, than you have to
take the best offer (provided you can stand the buyer, but if you are moving,
etc., and time and price are not really that important, by all means worry
about the "quality" of the buyer.
>Name: My Bar Rabbit. Age 14.
Hmmmm. Getting along in years. You do NOT, I notice, mention anywhere her
soundness or lack thereof.
>Her great grandsire is Three Bars
As one of the most prolific stallions in Q.H. history, this is not that big
a deal.
>She stands 16.2 hands and is very well muscled. Classic
>quarter horse head with large jaw and fine ears.
Wow!! This is a HUGE quarter horse mare. She must have a lot of T.B. in her,
which is good. If my parents were in the market (our Q.H. mare died a few
weeks ago) I'd be on the phone to you now! However, a good strong quarter
horse doesn't need to be so tall.
>....in 1984...and had some offers at around $10,000.
>Since then Bunny has retired for the QH show
>circuit but has been shown at some open classes.
Bunny has also aged three years. I imagine her real value is now as a
potential broodmare.
>Would any of you check out references or
>such of prospective buyers and if so, is it considered proper?
I myself would trust my judgment upon meeting any prospective buyer. I don't
think it is "proper" but it is within your rights, as it is within someone's
rights to refuse to give you such information and walk away from the sale.
See my first comment.
Good luck. Let us know what happens! I couldn't afford to take a chance on
a 14 year old -- who knows how long her legs will last, but if I could....
--
Susan Scheide (susans)
"Another friend of Bill's"
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Date: 23 Dec 87 19:18:03 GMT
From: [email protected] (Dave Schoen)
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Wild Mustang Class and others!
For those of you in California, the University Extension of the University
of California, Davis provides a number of Equine Courses most of which I
have taken. All were great. Todays feature is.....
WILD MUSTANG ECOLOGY FIELD PROGRAM
Saturday-Tuesday, June 4-7
This special program provides a unique opportunity to study a beautiful
animal under ideal viewing conditions. Set in Pizona in the Inyo National
Forest, you will ride out each day from a base camp t oberve, photograph
and examine the complex social behavior of the wild mustangs.
JOHN TURNER, PhD, wild horse research scientist and associate professor,
Department of Physiology, Medical College of Ohio. He has 12 years of wild
horse field research and 16 publications on the subject.
TIME and LOCATION: Meet at Rock Creek Pack Station (near Bishop, CA.) 7:30am
June 4 to 4pm. June 7. Detailed information sent upon enrollment.
FEE and ENROLLMENT INFORMATION: $425 ($150 deposit) includes horses, saddles,
meals and instruction. Pre-enroll by May 4 <sooner the better> in section
874A01. Non-credit.
FOR MORE INFORMATION ON THIS AND OTHER CLASSES....
You may enroll by phone if you use MasterCard of Visa. Call (800) 752-0881.
Davis and Dixon residents please call 752-0880. To enroll by mail write to
University Extension
University of California
Davis, CA 95616
Other classes include:
Equine Reproduction
Mountain Horsemanship: Veterinary Care and Horsepacking in the Wilderness
Tax Aspects of the Horse Bis
Dave "Just a Fan" Schoen
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Date: 27 Dec 87 20:13:10 GMT
From: [email protected] (Victoria Rosly D'ull)
Organization: Johns Hopkins Univ. Computing Ctr.
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Grey horse in winter
How do you get a mostly-white horse white when it's too cold out
to give him a bath? Elkeme has turned a lovely pale beige, and
all the other people at the barn just pat their bays and chestnuts
and laugh.....
--Vicka
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Date: Sun, 27 Dec 87 21:57:13 EST
From: Ken Rossen <[email protected]>
Subject: Antiquarian Horse Book Shop in Cambridge
It's a little late for your holiday shopping, but I'd like to advise
you all of a terrific place Karen and I found in Cambridge, Massachusetts.
Robin Bledsoe runs BLUE RIDER BOOKS, a small shop with an impressive
selection of antiquarian horse books. The shop, which is a cluttered
little place in a difficult-to-find cellar off of Massachusetts Avenue,
holds a wealth of rare, out-of-print and imported horse titles.
Especially remarkable is Robin's collection of old editions on fox hunting
in the early 20th century, including some very old books with beautiful
color plates. We have also found some obscure dressage titles, but the
range of subjects includes Western riding, racing, polo, veterinary care
and stable management, and on and on.
For those in New England, the shop is worth the trip to visit. For
others, there is a mailing list and a regularly updated catalogue of
recently stocked titles (she receives new stock regularly). Phone
orders with MC and Visa, and reservations, are accepted. Write or call
for a copy.
Blue Rider Books Shop:
65 Mount Auburn St. 1640 Mass. Ave.
Cambridge, MA 02138 Cambridge, MA 02138
617/354-4894 617/576-3634
If you contact her, tell her Ken Rossen referred you (no, I don't get a
cut ;-] just trying to look like a good customer).
--
[email protected]
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| 77.46 | Equestrian Digest Issue #72 | LDP::BELANGER | Boycott Boycotts! | Mon Jan 18 1988 12:50 | 314 |
| Equestrian Digest Fri 8 Jan 1988 Issue 72
Today's Topics:
Equus, January 1988
Practical Horseman, January 1988
Winter pasture problem
Wild Horse Protection --
Re: Winter pasture problem
Horse color changes in winter
Re: Horse color changes in winter
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From: [email protected]
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 87 00:02:55 CST
Subject: Equus, January 1988
Here is another magazine table of contents. Statements in [ ] are my
additions. Feel free to send queries if you want to know more about a
particular listed item, I'll try to assist.
Robin Crickman, ...caip!meccts!foundln!robin
EQUUS, (number 123) January 1988
Balance:The No-Grip Secret For Staying In The Saddle. No matter what your
riding discipline, you can improve your performance by keeping gravity
and your horse's physical capabilities in mind.
Rehabilitating The Rearer. Three of training's best describe their methods
for systematically short-circuiting the horse who "reaches for the stars."
Great Lakes, A Golden Horseshoe And Bluegrass Too. In the Midwest, horses
of many breeds find a place and diverse equestrian pursuits keep pace along
the continental crossroads.
1988 Stallion Supplement. Spotlighting the best of the breeds from Andalusians
to Welsh ponies.
Taking Slippery Surfaces In Stride. When terra firma gives way to terrible
footing, here's how to keep your horse from slip-slidin' away.
The Copper Question. Does one mineral's deficiency cause abnormal bone
growth in foals? Researchers have yet to settle on an answer.
The File, a roundup of news and views that matter to the horse world.
The Invisible profession. A handful of equine therapists is taking
steps to organize and bring credibility to its sparse and far-flung
ranks.
ApHC [Appaloosa Horse Club] refuses relocation. Moscow, Idaho beats
out Indianapolis in Appaloosa registry vote.
Mineral surplus may cause muscle spasms. Researchers find similarities
between episodic muscle tremors in horses and periodic paralysis in
people.
World Farrier Association. Former AFA president sets out to forge a
global network of horseshoers.
Inner videos. Horse-sized technology takes ulcer researchers on live
tours of equine digestive tracts.
A Fair exchange. Jamaican equestrians trade vacations for educations
as they hone their skills for world-class competition.
Freds Revenge: unbelievable racehorse. Arabian speedster's bloodlines
are challenged because he runs "too fast".
Elegant Sam. A gentle equine escort lends dignity to burial rites.
EQUUS Consultants is a monthly feature in which selected experts from across
the country respond to questions raised by readers.
Do maiden mares have smaller foals? [Sometimes foals are born smaller
from maiden mares, but they soon grow to equal the size of other foals.]
Getting a grip on strangles. [Why it affects some horses so much more
severely than others.]
Energizing the endurance horse. [Horses cannot work at higher levels
of endurance racing on just pasture, no matter how good says Equus
expert Matthew Mackay-Smith, DVM]
Industry Watch
Budget bill bears benefits for horsemen. [Horse farmers might not need
to capitalize preproductive stock.]
A Trailless Tevis? [Tevis Cup race is in danger of losing use of part
of their traditional course]
Will L.A. ban Tennessee Walkers? [Because of outcry about abusive treatment
of this breed by trainers, Los Angeles is considering banning Walker
shows in their jurisdiction.]
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From: [email protected]
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 87 00:03:07 CST
Subject: Practical Horseman, January 1988
Here is another magazine table of contents. Statements in [ ] are my
additions. Feel free to send queries if you want to know more about a
particular listed item, I'll try to assist.
Robin Crickman, ...caip!meccts!foundln!robin
Practical Horseman (Volume 16, number 1) January 1988
FEATURES
Abdullah: Standing A Stallion Successfully. In taking a two-year-old from
unknown quantity to Olympic medal-winner and top sire, the Williamses often
had to write their own rules. Sue Williams describes the pioneering journey.
Are You Getting Through To Your Horse? The way horses learn says an equine
psychologist, may be very different from the way their trainers think they
do.
Stable Skills. How To Measure Yourself For Chaps. A reliable system for
taking the risk out of your investment.
Desperately Seeking A New Trailer. In this composite account, our
fictionalized shopper deals with a real-world problem: how to make sense
of the high-tech offerings crowding today's trailer market.
Step-By-Step. Conditioning Your Horse. Whatever your horse's line of
work, this four-part series will provide you with a safe, efficient program
for bringing him to his physical peak. Part One: Charlotte Robson, DVM--
Laying the Foundation.
DEPARTMENTS
Confirmation Clinic with Champ Hough [3 TB's ]
What Do You Do? You find your horse stocked up in his stall.
Saddle Ways and Bridle Whys. Trainer Pam Goodrich looks at a horse that's
lazy on the longe; veterinarian Benson B. Martin explains pin firing; William
Tyznik, PhD, on fattening a horse without making him high.
Forum. How do you establish a horse's market value? Experts Judy Richter,
Newton Baker, and Linda Sorrell share a variety of evaluation strategies.
Idea Exchange [How to use bicyclists' pads to cushion the crotch. Also,
keeping leather gloves from stiffening by rubbing with leather conditioner]
Jumping Clinic with George Morris [regular feature wherein Morris criticizes
riders from photographs they send in]
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From: [email protected]
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 87 00:03:21 CST
Subject: Winter pasture problem
I would appreciate suggestions from horse owners on what to do to ease
my gelding's chapped nose. He lives in a pasture (which is now covered
with snow). His nose has been running for more than a week and is sore
and leathery on the end; if he were human I would say he had chapped it.
I tried putting vaseline on it, but that is gone in a couple of hours.
I also tried diaper rash ointment (my vet suggests using that on various
horse skin problems), but my horse thinks it smells bad and won't uncurl
his lip for several minutes after I put it on. The tack shop owner
suggested Corona. Anybody out there have any ideas?
Robin Crickman ...caip!meccts!foundln!robin
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Date: 29 Dec 87 18:43:48 GMT
From: [email protected] (Stephen Arrants 3/1011)
Organization: Microsoft Corporation, Redmond, WA
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Wild Horse Protection --
I'm posting this for a friend -- she doesn't have an account on our
newsmachine.
Please email to her, or post here.
She'd like information and addresses on any organization involved in wild
horse protection/adoption/etc.
Her address is [email protected]
or
Thanks!
--
Steve Arrants ...!uw-beaver!microsoft!stephena
UserEd/APPS Microsoft Corp.
Opinions posted are mine, not my employer's. So there.
SAVE THE BLIBBET!
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From: [email protected] (Cole)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Winter pasture problem
Date: 4 Jan 88 23:05:04 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories - Naperville, Illinois
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
> I would appreciate suggestions from horse owners on what to do to ease
> my gelding's chapped nose. ... The tack shop owner
> suggested Corona. Anybody out there have any ideas?
>
> Robin Crickman ...caip!meccts!foundln!robin
I would second the tack shop owner's suggestion - Corona ointment contains a
lot of lanolin as well as mentholatum (or somesuch - your horse will probably
also turn up his nose at this). Because of the lanolin, it gets quite hard
in cold weather and should probably be kept in a warm place (it's almost
impossible to get out of the can when it's hard). It's good for almost
all skin ailments and is used for chapped udders on cows.
from the asymp S [of] TOSCA
tot T lyn cole, IH 1C-201
ic A AT&T Bell Laboratories
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Date: 6 Jan 88 17:09:10 GMT
From: [email protected] (Benson)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories - Naperville, Illinois
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Horse color changes in winter
This is for Vicka and her horse. Email didn't want to send my reply
to her, so I'll just post it.
There are some dry cleaning products for horses but they are geared
more to spot cleaning. I think it would be too expensive and time
comsuming to try and do a whole horse with them.
I have a black and white Paint/Pinto and I know what you mean about
the white looking beige during the winter. Rain gets turned out every
day and loves to roll (don't ask what he looks like when it's muddy
out). I have noticed that when there is snow on the ground he stays
alot whiter looking. I guess when he rolls in the snow, the snow
scrubs the dingyness out of his winter coat. Try turning you horse
out so he can play and roll in the snow (if you have that option and
have snow).
As for the other people laughing at your beige horse, try not to let
it get to you. You could tell them he is a Cremello (a color breed
that is off-white) :-). As long as you keep him well groomed so his
skin if free of dirt and dander he'll be happy.
I'm sorry I couldn't be of more help. I haven't found anything to
keep Rain white (except the snow) during the winter. But come spring
when he sheds, he will back to his beautiful self again.
Pam B. ihlpa!pkb
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Date: 7 Jan 88 13:50:34 GMT
From: [email protected] (susans)
Organization: Consumer Financial Institute, Waltham, Mass.
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Horse color changes in winter
In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Benson) writes:
>
>This is for Vicka and her horse. Email didn't want to send my reply
>to her, so I'll just post it.
>There are some dry cleaning products for horses but they are geared
>more to spot cleaning. I think it would be too expensive and time
>comsuming to try and do a whole horse with them.
>
>Pam B. ihlpa!pkb
I'd like to suggest that she try corn starch. If you powder
the fellow with it, and brush it in really well with a nice
stiff brush, it should help a lot. Unless you're showing,
it doesn't really matter, as Pam points out, as long as he
is clean!
I want to ask the group if anyone has seen any horses like
my Kate -- who was a very red sorrel (but not a chestnut)
with a grey mane, tail, and nose. Even her eyelashes were
grey, and her eyes were lined with grey. I always
thought it looked like she had on Maybelline eyeliner!
Very pretty and feminine. When I was a kid I wrote to the
American Quarter Horse Assoc., and they said it was
"unusual, but not rare, for a sorrel to have a mixed
black, flaxen, and ??(I forget what other colors they
decided I meant by grey) mane and tail." But it really
isn't (wasn't ;-( ) all that mixed. It was grey! Like
Paul Newman's hair. Well?
--
Susan Scheide (susans)
"Another friend of Bill's"
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| 77.47 | Equestrian Digest Issue #73 | LDP::BELANGER | Boycott Boycotts! | Mon Jan 18 1988 12:51 | 315 |
| Equestrian Digest Fri 15 Jan 1988 Issue 73
Today's Topics:
RE: Polish horse farm
Polish National Stud
Aural Plaque
The kids' visit.
Re: The kids' visit.
Re: Polish National Stud
Deal of the Century (*smirk*)
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Date: Sat, 09 Jan 88 14:40:09 EST
From: Vicky Chomo <NETOPRVC%[email protected]>
Subject: RE: Polish horse farm
Does anyone know if the Polish National Stud farm
still exists? The tradition in many European
countries was to have a government owned horse
breeding program where farmers, etc. could breed
their mares to high quality stallions for free or
at a low cost. The Polish National Stud was
supposed to be one of the best at maintaining
breeding standards and I would like to know if
it still exists, and if so, in what part of Poland.
Thanks in advance.
Vicky
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From: [email protected] (Deitrick)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Polish National Stud
Date: 11 Jan 88 12:25:20 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories - Naperville, Illinois
three-day event that was held within the past year at some place in Poland.
I admit that I read the article, looked at the pictures, expressed some
amazement that Poland would have such a modern facility (I think of all Eastern
European countries as gray and dingy), and pitched the magazine. The place
where the event was held could have been a national stud; if it wasn't, it
was nice enough to be. How's that for a maybe?
Carl Deitrick
ihnp4!ihuxv!cbd
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Date: 12 Jan 88 20:20:38 GMT
From: [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Aural Plaque
Has anyone heard of Aural Plaque (AP) before? My horse has been
dignosed as having AP which is characterized by white waxy circular
patches on the inner side of his ears and tenderness in the affected area.
My vet said the cause of this condition is relatively unknown, but he
mentioned that some opinions suggest that this is a reaction to black
fly bites, although this has not been proven.
According to Dr. Yoder, there is not any treatment which will cure AP
or remove the white patches and restore his ears to their normal state.
He suggested preventive maintanence in the future such as using a
citronella based jelly to ward off the flies. He noted that there
seems to be a higher number of cases in parts of New York state, and
parts of Penna. My other horse has no signs of this problem.
He prescribed a steroid cream such as Dexamethasone, Triamcinolone, or
Beta Methasone to reduce the inflammation. He said horses have a perculiar
cellular repair system, giving an example of "proud flesh", and said he would
look into the pathological make-up of AP to determine if it was a fibrotic
structure, and let me know if there are any new developments for its treatment.
Has anyone had previous experience or any knowledge of this condition or its
possible treatment? My horse absolutely hates to have his ears touched, and I
am wondering if these are painful. I am distressed over his ears since I he's
my favorite horse.
Thanks in advance,
Sylvia Karlaza
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 88 08:45:52 PST
From: [email protected]
Subject: The kids' visit.
OUR TRIP TO FOX MEADOW FARM
Monday, Dec.28, 1987
Naperville, Illinois One of the main reasons for our trip to
Chicago was to visit a stable recommended by Carl Deitrick (me: I'm sure
glad my folks didn't know this) who boards his Appaloosa gelding, "Jasper",
at Fox Meadow Farm.
It snowed the night before, leaving up to a foot of snow in some
places. My aunt drove my sister, myself and our three cousins out to the
barn, and as we pulled up to the main barn we saw some horses turned out
in the paddocks. It was a real treat to see horses running and playing in
the snow. Being from California it was a precious sight for us.
When we walked into the main barn, the ring was the first thing we
spotted. We went over to it and watched someone longing a dapple grey.
Someone was at the other end of the ring on a really dark bay doing ground
work. In was a very large ring compared to the one at our barn. We noticed
that the footing was almost all sand, and that the ring was heated. From
the polo mallets hanging on the wall in a corner of the ring we assumed
that polo was practiced in there, too.
As we began our tour of the barn, a garage door opened, and a tractor
rolled in. (me: They were really impressed by a "good" use for an
automatic garage door opener.) It was carrying bedding for the stalls.
Heather and I were impressed! (me: See, I told you so...I'm going through
this without pre-reading, so please excuse the errors.) A lot of the stall
doors were open, and had breast doors (me: They explained that these were
the nylon webbing things that are stretched from one door jamb to the other.
They, and I , don't know the proper name for these, but that's what they are.)
so that they were free to stick out their heads and see what's going on.
We passed the grey that was being longed earlier and found out his name
was "Dillon". He was a very well behaved horse and LOVED to have his cheeks
scratched. Further down the aisle we came across Jasper. We weren't sure
it was him because he didn't have a name plate, but since he loved attention,
and was the only Appy on the north side of the barn, we assumed it was him.
What a sweetheart.
The bedding was about a foot deep. We understand that it is that
deep to help keep the horses warm. It does get very cold out there. We
enjoyed seeing a stable in Illinois and seeing the differences cold weather
can make in running a barn. It is a wonderful stable.
Kris and Heather Kozy
*****************************
And I thank all of you out there for your help and kind information.
You've helped make this a great trip for the kids. Special thanks to Carl
and Jasper. You've got a couple of young admirerers on the west coast.
Sto lat;
Chip
Chip Kozy (415) 939-2400 @ Varian 2700 Mitchell Dr. Walnut Creek, Cal. 94598
...!ptsfa!varian!vaxwaller!chip
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From: [email protected] (Joel B Levin)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: The kids' visit.
Date: 14 Jan 88 13:23:02 GMT
Reply-To: [email protected] (Joel B Levin)
Organization: BBN Communications Corporation
In article <[email protected]> [email protected] writes:
:...doors were open, and had breast doors (me: They explained that these were
:the nylon webbing things that are stretched from one door jamb to the other.
:They, and I , don't know the proper name for these, but that's what they are.)
We call them "stall guards".
/JBL
--
UUCP: {harvard, husc6, etc.}!bbn!levin
ARPA: [email protected]
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Date: 14 Jan 88 20:57:56 GMT
From: [email protected] (Przemyslaw Klosowski)
Organization: Penn State University, University Park, PA
Subject: Re: Polish National Stud
In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Deitrick) writes:
>three-day event that was held within the past year at some place in Poland.
>I admit that I read the article, looked at the pictures, expressed some
>amazement that Poland would have such a modern facility (I think of all
>Eastern European countries as gray and dingy), and pitched the magazine. The
>place where the event was held could have been a national stud; if it wasn't,
>it was nice enough to be. How's that for a maybe?
>
> Carl Deitrick
> ihnp4!ihuxv!cbd
First, some soapbox: you may find grayishness and dinginess everywhere, as
well as modern facilities; being surprised at it is, what shall I say, non-pro-
ductive. (down from soapbox).
The State Stud Stables exist in Poland; the best known is in Janow Podlaski.
They have big auctions every year, and as far as I know many American breeders
shop there. THere are also couple more (Janow has only (?) Arabs), other places
have arabs, angloarabs, Great Poland horses). I personally rode in Stubno, in
southeastern Poland.
przemek
[email protected]
psuvax1!gondor!przemek
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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 88 17:57:48 EST
From: Ken Rossen <[email protected]>
Subject: Deal of the Century (*smirk*)
[From the Boston Globe of January 18. 1988. Brackets are my comments]
HAMILTON - Wellington is tiring of his frozen hooves, you say?
Cadbury was foaming at the mouth when he discovered that rodents had been
roaming around in his feed, and Bradford's Dickie was a tad put out that
he had to wait a half hour to use the arena?
Hold on - there is a solution to these and other problems afflicting the
horsy set. A Hamilton horse-boarding center is offering the ultimate
in horse pampering horse condominiums.
At $65,000 each, only the well-hooved need apply.
The Hamilton Equestrian Center on Highland Street, formerly Flying Horse
Farm, is converting its 75 rental stalls to condos and will begin
marketing them around March 1.
Amenities include two large indoor riding arenas for those who want to
trot even on the coldest days, feed rooms lined with galvanized steel
to keep out rats and mice, heated barns and arenas, electrical outlets
and water faucets for each 12-foot by 12-foot stall and 12-foot by
16-foot turnout paddocks that are attached to each stall.
[Gee. 12 x 16 for turnout. Just enough room for Wellington to turn
around to go back into his stall. How generous.]
Center owner Paul S. Cohen has included perks for the horse owners, too:
bathrooms in each stable, washers and dryers in the tack rooms for washing
saddle pads or anything else that might get dusty and dirty on the trail
and a club room complete with a full kitchen, fireplace, overstuffed
couches and chairs, a video cassette recorder for watching videotapes
of horses and a huge picture window overlooking the main arena.
[All this stuff is SO much nicer than providing decent TURNOUT for the horse.]
Riders also have use of the 82 miles of trails in the adjacent Bradley
Palmer State Park, Cohen said.
The $65,000 price tag gets the horse lover not only a stall for his or her
beloved brute, but also a 1/75 share in the entire operation, 16 acres of
outdoor arenas and paddocks, buildings, office staff, trainers.
[Get this next part.]
In addition, owners will have to pay a $500 monthly fee for maintenance
of common areas and staff. The condo stalls can either be used by the
owners for their horses or rented out.
[So for $65,000 you get the privelege of paying $500 board.]
Cohen, 40, a developer who converted many Back Bay brownstones to condominiums
in the mid-1970's, purchased the center a year and a half ago with a silent
partner he recently bought out. He refurbished the existing 30 stalls and
added 45.
He has obtained the permits required by the town and is in the process of
improving the center's drainage system to allay nearby residents' concerns.
Once all 75 stalls are sold, Cohen no longer will have a financial interest
in the operation unless the new owners ask him to stay on in some management
capacity.
"It's really a country club for horses and their owners," Cohen said during
a tour of the facility yesterday. "There are clubs for golfers, clubs for
people who love tennis. This is a club for horse lovers."
Until the stalls are sold as condos, Cohen is renting them for $600 a month,
a rental fee that is expensive even by North Shore standards, but one that
Cohen says is justified by the aforementioned amenities. He has had about
30 "serious" inquiries about the condos, he said.
[Such a deal. For $65,000 you get a $100 reduction in board. That should
pay for itself in just 50-some years!]
One of those considering buying in is Carol Chapman, 34, of Cambridge,
who has boarded her bay throroughbred, Tom Foolery, at the center for the
past 18 months.
"What I like about the center is that the barn and arenas are heated,"
she said. "You don't have to worry about frozen ground and you don't have
to wear layers of clothing. It's very difficult to ride when you're wearing
two shirts, two sweaters, two pairs of socks, and a big down coat."
Taking care of the horses is easier, too, she said. "The water in the
stables isn't frozen. There's even a vacuum cleaner for cleaning the
horse, which is much faster than brushing.
"Once people try it here, they'll get addicted," Chapman said. "Sure,
it's expensive, but it's worth it."
[Uh-HUH.]
--
[email protected]
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|
| 77.48 | Equestrian Digest Issue #74 | LDP::BELANGER | Boycott Boycotts! | Thu Jan 21 1988 09:27 | 361 |
| Equestrian Digest Wed 20 Jan 1988 Issue 74
Today's Topics:
moonblindness
Re: horse digest article
Photographing Horses
Polish Arabians
Re: moonblindness
Re: Aural Plaque
Polish Stud Farms
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: 15 Jan 88 15:57:49 GMT
From: [email protected] (Liz Gores)
Organization: Bell Communications Research, Piscataway, NJ
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: moonblindness
A friend's horse has recently had an attack of moonblindness (also
known as "periodic opthalmia"). All of my horse care books, I am ashamed
to admit, are extremely dated; I subscribe to EQUUS but don't recall
seeing an article on this topic. I was wondering if anyone out there
in rec.equestrian has had personal experience with this unfortunate
ailment, or if anyone has seen any relatively recent (i.e., mid 80's)
literature on the subject. The attack (the first one in over a year)
has subsided, but I was wondering if there have been any amazing discoveries
regarding prognosis and treatment. Also, should certain situations be
avoided (i.e., staying out all day in bright light), and do certain
situations provoke or aggravate an attack, etc. etc.
thanks in advance,
liz gores
piscataway, nj (bellcore)
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Date: 15 Jan 88 21:55:40 GMT
From: [email protected] (Moe Bradley)
Organization: Analysis & Technogy's Embedded Computer Group, New London, CT
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: horse digest article
am aware that the Polish government maintains (at least) 2
Arabian stud farms, one in Janow and one in Michelow (sp?).
Although the stallaions here may be made available to their
countrymen for a "reasonable fee, the stud fees charged
for imported mares is considerable. The Arabian Horse World
is one source for information about the breeding programs in
Poland. They devote one entire issue each year to the studs, and
at least one article appears in most other issues. Many of
the top stallions from Poland have been imported to this country
by Lasma Arabians (the LaCroix family) and their customers.
They are not available for a reasonable fee to their fellow
Americans (or anyone else for that matter!).
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Resent-From: [email protected] (Patt Haring)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Photographing Horses
Keywords: Photography, Horses, Reposted from rec.photo
Resent-Date: 15 Jan 88 22:04:21 GMT
From: [email protected] (Brian Godfrey)
Date: 11 Jan 88 22:29:40 GMT
Reply-To: [email protected] (Brian Godfrey)
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Beaverton, OR
>So here's a question about technique rather than equipment.
>Situation: Friends want a nice, informal portrait of themselves
>on their horses! Now, I have enough trouble with getting decent
>pictures of people, so putting in two large animals that are
>generally uncooperative is really going to be trouble.
Should be easier. Few humans will be as instinctively critical of a
horse picture as they will of a human portrait.
A friend of mine has a prize arabian which she photographs every year. It
is an unusual color and the color changes year to year. This documentation
is very important for breeding (and selling the little colts and fillies
which result.) She is about as picky as I can imagine. I have shot these
pictures for her for the last couple of years, so maybe I can help a
little, though I do not claim to be an expert. (I also had the misfortune
to have worked with racehorses for a few years when I was in school, so
I have a little understanding of their behavior.)
> 1) They generally go out to ride about mid-morning and
> by the time the horses are ready, it's late morning.
> Where we are (central Florida) by that time of day the
> the sun is high which makes for contrasty scenes.
Go out on a cloudy day. (Or are those as hard to find in Florida as sunny
days are in Oregon? :-) Or use fill flash. Don't use reflectors as they
will bother the horses eyes and make them irritable and uncooperative.
I would not recommend going out early in the morning as the horses will
be lively and harder to control. If you go out in the evening, make sure
it is at the end of a boring day. Don't do it if the horses have been
under stress or they will be irritable and harder to control. These are
guidelines, horses have personalities just like humans. Some are morning
horses, some are not. Some are unflabbable, some must be treated very
carefully. Talk it over with the owners and figure out the best time of
day for the horses (as opposed to you or the owners.)
> 2) The profile of the horses is difficult to deal with
> since they look awful head on. So I have to deal with
> not only what will make the riders look good, but also
> the horses! (Is this asking too much?)
You gotta watch your perspective here. A 70mm lens should be about right
for "portraits". Too much longer will make it hard to give directions to
the handler, and any shorter will get you too close and give you
perspective problems. You might also try a low angle shot with a wider
lens. Say 35-50mm. The result can be quite dramatic. For a still shot,
have both the horse and rider looking into the distance. Hard to do?
See later advice on handling the horses. For some action, have the
rider come galloping up and make a hard stop right in front of you.
Don't have them right straight towards you, but at a tangential angle
so you are looking at them at a 45 degree angle just as they brake.
> 3) It is very difficult to get the riders to look somewhat
> natural since they are usually dealing with trying to keep
> the horses near position when I try a posed shot. Their
> faces show their preoccupation with the beasts.
I was putting it off, but here is where I should talk about handling and
controlling the animals. First, don't make them stand around and you
won't have this problem. Have a person stand where you want them for
focusing. Then have the rider(s) ride up to the correct point and stop,
then ride around and back to the point and stop, then ride around...
Repetition is the object here. The horse will be nervous the first few
times, but will calm down once he sees that he is going to do the same
thing over and over again. Be patient. You can't force a 2000 lb dumb
animal to cooperate so don't try. Just keep up the repetition. Pretty
soon he will do it himself. Then you are ready to start looking for the
right composition as the horse and rider come into the view finder.
The same goes for the galloping up to a stop pictures described further
back in this wordy posting. Do it over and over until the horse knows
what is expected of him, then shoot.
> For #2: Compose to include horses head and neck in lower
> part of frame (horses' heads would have to be held high)
> and fill the mid to upper part of frame with riders.
There are a few basic compositions for horse and rider. Much fewer than
there are for just horse alone. (Probably the freedom of an unencumbered
horse lends itself to freedom of composition.)
You should either include everything from the riders knees up, or from
the ground up. For the tight-cropped shot, include enough of the back of
the horse so that you don't have the horse head and the rider floating in
air separately from one another. Don't cut the horses legs off in a
fuller view. A straight on shot can be acceptable, but is seldom great.
When the horse is standing at a slight angle and his head is turned back
the other way just a little you have a good "portrait". There is tension
and interest in such a picture. This or the low angle shot is probably
the best still shot you can take. You can angle the horse more of less
for some variation. I would avoid full, side-view still shots. For a side-
view, make it an action shot. The horse running, wind in his main, have the
rider wear a bandana or something that can blow in the wind. Or have
him/her let his hat blow off. Don't get them running too fast. And pan
to blur the background.
Random stuff on handling and what's "cool" -
In almost every case it is very important - to horse people anyway - that
the horses ears be up in the "alert" position. (There may be a word in
equestrian lingo for this, but I don't know what it is.) To accomplish
this is pretty simple. Remember the little tin clickers you used to get
in the dime store when you were a kid? They looked like little frogs or
lady bugs and they had a piece of dented spring steel that clicked when
you bent it? Well get one of those. Then after the horse(s) and rider(s)
have practiced their moves sufficiently have an assistant stand where you
want the horse to be looking in the picture. Then when the horse is in
position have them click it. The horse, being curious, will perk up his
ears and look towards the sound. Shoot. You want the horse and rider to
be looking in the same direction, so tell the rider to look at the
clicker, too.
If you are trying to photograph a feisty horse and a calm old nag is
available, bring her along to calm the main subject down. This should
be another horse that you subject is familiar with, not a strange new
animal. This extra animal can be helpful in other ways, too. For example,
it can be used to attract the main subjects attention in lieu of a
clicker. And it can be used to "train" the main subject, such as in the
run up and stop shots. Have the calm horse trot up and stop a time or
two by itself, then have the main subject go with it until it is
comfortable, then have the main subject do it himself while you get
the shots. If there are two horses and riders together it will be more
work getting a well composed shot, but it can still be done. It will
just take more tries.
Take lots of film and a motor-drive if you have one. These are not studio
shots where you can carefully measure and plan everything. It helps to
be "insured" with a few extra shots.
Don't scare the horse. If the motor drive scares him, run it off and on
for a while with no film in the camera while talking to the owners.
Pretty soon the horse should calm down and get used to it. If he doesn't,
then take it off and don't use it. Same goes for everything. Let the
horse get used to you and the sound of your voice and your camera before
expecting it to cooperate.
If your suject is particularly dark or light, use a gray card to get the
right exposures, especially for closeups. And take a picture of the gray
card on the first frame of every roll. Color is very important for many
horse owners (or so I am led to believe) so you don't want it messed
up by getting the exposure wrong and having to compensate in printing,
and you want to make color balancing easy for them. (You should do this
on every roll, anyway.)
Above all, be patient.
--
--Brian M. Godfrey
Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
!tektronix!sequent!brian
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From: Ania O'Brien <obrien%[email protected]>
Date: 18 Jan 88 15:50
Subject: Polish Arabians
There are at least four government run Arabian stud farms in Poland:
Janow Podlaski
Michalow
Kurozweki
Bialka
Janow Podlaski is probably the best known and I think it is the
usual place of the Polish Prestige Auction which takes place
in the early fall. The horses shown at that show are of course
the cream of the crop and for example in 1985 the average price
was around $90,000. I know that a lot of people from western
Europe arrange to spend vacation at one of the stud farms
and usually end up buying a horse there.
The Polish Arabian breeding is based on two types of horses:
Kihailan and Saklavi. The Polish breeders emphasize the natural
methods (for example artificial insemination and embryo transer
have never been accepted in Poland) and a close relationship
between horses and humans who care for them. They also recognize
the horse as a herd animal and design the stables to include
open interior areas were horses can be kept together in groups:
mares with foals, yearlings, two-year olds etc. Except for feeding
and grooming the horses are kept in a herd. All Polish Arabians
begin race training at two-and-a-half and at three they are entered
in the race program for at least one season. They are judged
not so much on speed as on health, vitality, endurance, stamina,
and character.
For those interested in finding out more about the Polish Arabian,
look at the June issue of the Arabian Horse World. That issue
is dedicated to Polish Arabians and among other things, it lists
the horses entered in the yearly auction in Poland (including
pictures and prices). The magazine also offers some spectacular
pictures of horses and the countryside were they are raised.
It costs $4.00 and it would be particularly
beneficial to some of you who think of Eastern Europe (Poland
by the way is considered Central Europe) as grey and dingy.
I was born and brought up in Poland and although it certainly
cannot offer as much financial incentive as the United States,
it does offer beautiful countryside, warm and friendly people
and some of the most handsome horses in the world.
The address and phone number of Arabian Horse World:
Horse World,
P.O. Box 60910,
Palo Alto, CA 94306-1827
(415) 326-5300
Sincerely, Ania O'Brien
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Date: 19 Jan 88 17:08:46 GMT
From: [email protected]
Organization: The Pennsylvania State University - Computation Center
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: moonblindness
The woman I board with recently "lost" her Level II dressage Morgan
mare to moonblindness. I understand that this disease is uncommon in
Morgans, but more common in Appaloosas. Over the course of 12 months,
the mare went from slight (10%) to complete (100%) blindness. As the
blindness progressed, the mare became increasingly dangerous: bolting
through electric fence, bumping into everything, etc. The disease seems
very episodal, for this mare they seemed to occur about every 2-3 weeks.
She would have to stay in out of the sunlight during the day, get an
optical antibiotic and an inflammotory (sp?) medication such as "Bute".
As I understand, there was no cure and the eyesight was worse after
each episode. The mare could not be breed because of uteran damage
which occured during a previous bad foaling (not when Diane owned her).
Anyway, DIane finally made the painful decision to take the mare up
to Cornell where they will use her in the Vet school for teaching. This
seemed like a more ideal option than simply putting the horse down.
Diane said that the people at the Cornell Clinic were extremely sensitive
in their handling of the situation, realizing it was such a painful
thing to do.
Anyway, I don't know much about the disease except for this experience
and things I have read in outdated horse books. However, I think that the
prognosis for a horse with moonblindness still is not good.
On the bright side of this sad tale, Diane got an endurance horse:
a registered Raffles x Crabbet Park Arab. Boy, we sure make for an
interesting sight with our two Arabs blazing up the trail, followed
by a trailing band of bewildered thoroughbreds and quarter horses. (Gee,
I thought WE were walking FAST).
Happy Trails, Eileen Perry
------------------------------
Date: 20 Jan 88 03:23:01 GMT
From: [email protected] (John B. Nagle)
Organization: Stanford University
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Aural Plaque
I faced a similar problem a few years ago. Weekly treatment with
Panalog ointment brought the problem under control, and made the horse
comfortable, but the bare spots inside the ears remained bare for
the remainder of the horse's life.
John Nagle
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 88 10:49:27 PST
From: [email protected]
Subject: Polish Stud Farms
In the January '88 National Geographic there is a rather long
article on Poland entitled "The Hope That Never Dies: Poland". In it
reference is made to the Janow Podlaski stud farm. I had thought that
it contained more on the Polish National Breeding farms, but, after
talking to the local authority on any media appearance of horses in
any form (my daughter), I found out that what I was really thinking of
was a program aired on PBS concerning foundation sires, etc. where
the Polish National Stud program was described in greater detail. Nat.
Geo. does say, however, that Polish-bred stallions have been sold for
millions of dollars.
Sto lat;
Chip
,,
*** SOLIDARNOSC ***
Chip Kozy (415) 939-2400 @ Varian 2700 Mitchell Dr. Walnut Creek, Cal. 94598
...!ptsfa!varian!vaxwaller!chip
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| 77.49 | Equestrian Digest Issue #75 | LDP::BELANGER | KA1RML watching 145.090 | Wed Feb 17 1988 11:06 | 471 |
| Equestrian Digest Sat 30 Jan 1988 Issue 75
Today's Topics:
Question About Polish Stud
Rats in the Barn
Re: Rats in the Barn
Synthetic Material Saddles
vacations on horseback
Re: Rats in the Barn
Re: Rats in the Barn
Saddles
Goats and Sheds
Re: Rats in the Barn
Re: Synthetic Material Saddles
Re: Rats in the Barn
Aborted foal
Re: moonblindness
----------------------------------------------------------------------
From: [email protected] (Deitrick)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Question About Polish Stud
Date: 20 Jan 88 14:08:49 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories - Naperville, Illinois
>...The Polish breeders emphasize the natural
>methods (for example artificial insemination and embryo transer
>have never been accepted in Poland) and a close relationship
>between horses and humans who care for them. They also recognize
>the horse as a herd animal and design the stables to include
>open interior areas were horses can be kept together in groups:
>mares with foals, yearlings, two-year olds etc. Except for feeding
>and grooming the horses are kept in a herd.
Do they keep the stallions in herds also? If so, how do they keep
the stallions from fighting?
Carl Deitrick
ihnp4!ihuxv!cbd
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Date: 22 Jan 88 15:51:55 GMT
From: [email protected] (Sue Watkins)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Rats in the Barn
Does anyone have any new-and-exciting (or old-tried-and-true) ways
to get rats out of the horse barn. They currently seem to be
building condominuims under Max's stall and a new sub-development
is in the work under Mischief's stall. I have three cats that
do catch moles and rabbits but they don't seem interested in the
rats. I have tried a bucket of some rat poison sold in the feed
store (~10.00), baited every day and the rats just seemed to
thrive on the stuff. I realize the solution might be to buy
many, many buckets of the poison cakes, but I don't savor blowing
the feed budget for the month on poison and I do worry about one
of the cats finding a half-dead rat and eating it. (Boy is this
getting gruesome). Traps are an option although I would have to
seal the barn off from the cats when they're in use and I've
heard tales of rats dragging around the barn with the traps,
not something I want to deal with at 5 am. I'm not wild about
killing the rats but the excavation is getting extensive (we've
had problems with the stalls flooding when the spring thaw
poured into the stall through the rat holes) and Max (~1 year)
seems to be afraid to go into his stall. (Do rats terrorize horses
in their sleep?) Mind you I haven't seen rat number one and my
grain is always locked away from them. Thanks for any suggestions
and I'll summarize to the net if I get enough responses.
Sue Watkins
mhuxd!refer
------------------------------
Date: 25 Jan 88 16:07:40 GMT
From: rak%[email protected]
Organization: The Pennsylvania State University - Computation Center
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Rats in the Barn
We generally have between 12 and 15 cats running around who pretty well
keep the rat/mouse problem in check. Once in a while (generally in the fall)
our rat problem increases to where we use bait and/or traps. Check the bait
that you are using - is it specifically for rats? Some types of bait only
work on moles or mice and are not strong enough for rats. If it is for rats
then maybe you need to switch types. Some rats are immune to some types of
poisons such as Warfarin (spelling?). If you use traps you may want to
protect the trap from your cats by covering it with a crate. We have used
bushel sized apple crates that have open space between the slats that allow
the rat to crawl into the crate. Just turn a crate upside-down over the
trap and the trap is protected from cats and from the rat crawling away once it
is caught.
------------------------------
Date: 28 Jan 88 03:54:10 GMT
From: [email protected] (Robin King)
Organization: Stanford University
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Synthetic Material Saddles
Hi,
Just made the plunge and bought our first horse
and are now faced with bewildering choices of equipment
to buy. Being on a limited budget right now, we can't
buy "the best" of everything but don't want to sacrifice
basic quality.
We saw some English saddles which aren't leather, but
are covered with a clothlike material with some synthetic
girth straps. The idea seems poor but they are SO comfort-
able, well padded, and are priced $325-350. Does anybody
know whether these are of decent quality? Apparently they
haven't been on the market more than a couple of years.
This is going to have to fit both me and my boyfriend who
really should get differnt sized saddles (16" vs 17.5-18").
It's hard to choose when you're a real novice so thanks
for any advice.
Robin King
------------------------------
From: Ania O'Brien <aobrien%[email protected]>
Date: 28 Jan 88 10:08
Subject: vacations on horseback
For those of you who are into a more adventerous type
of vacation, the following might be of interest. The Claremont
Riding Holidays has been acquired by Equitor. So for future
information about the Horseback vacations (or to get on their
mailing list) please write to:
EQUITOR
Bitterrot Ranch
RT. 66, Box 1042
Dubois, Wyoming 82513
Have fun, Ania O'Brien
P.S. They do send a beautiful pamphlet which includes itineraries
and prices.
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From: [email protected] (Rob Bernardo)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Rats in the Barn
Date: 26 Jan 88 19:10:51 GMT
Reply-To: [email protected] (Rob Bernardo)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
In article <30747RAK@PSUVM> [email protected] writes:
+We generally have between 12 and 15 cats running around who pretty well
+keep the rat/mouse problem in check. Once in a while (generally in the fall)
+our rat problem increases to where we use bait and/or traps.
Yipes! If you use rat poison for the rodents, don't you run the risk of
a cat eating a poisoned-but-not-yet-dead rodent, thereby poisoning the cat?
I ask because I have a mouse problem in my oat hay. I refrained from using
poison because Lucy and Ethel, my laying hens, are also killer hens - I have
seen them capture, kill and eat mice whole! (I can just see it now: Mouse eats
poison and soon thereafter hen eats mouse. Next morning hen lays egg,
and I eat egg before discovering poisoned hen.) Consequently, I've resorted
to mice traps (but unfortunately the hens turn up there beaks at cold mice!)
--
Rob Bernardo uucp: [backbone]!ptsfa!rob
residence: (415) 827-4301 (Concord, CA) business: (415) 823-2417 (San Ramon, CA)
------------------------------
From: [email protected] (FRYSINGER)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Rats in the Barn
Summary: what breed of chicken?
Date: 27 Jan 88 23:41:34 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Rob Bernardo) writes:
> I ask because I have a mouse problem in my oat hay. I refrained from using
> poison because Lucy and Ethel, my laying hens, are also killer hens - I have
> seen them capture, kill and eat mice whole!
I'm planning on starting a laying/meat flock this year; what breed are
your killer chickens (I'll avoid them, since 20 of them would probably
carry ME off to the corner of the coop and have breakfast!).
Seriously, though, doesn't this behaviour lead to cannibilism in
your chickens?
Steve "yeah, I know I digressed again" Frysinger
------------------------------
Date: 28 Jan 88 14:59:00 GMT
From: [email protected]
Subject: Saddles
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Saddles: how do you fit a saddle for the rider and for the horse?
Suggestions on brands, types and all that?
Anybody have an all-purpose English saddle? My horse is 16.2 hands
(half-arab, half thorobred), and people have told me I need about a
size 18.
(I am looking for a used saddle, to save money. I am in Champaign, Illinois,
but if you are in Illinois or Indiana, I could make the trip)
------------------------------
Date: 28 Jan 88 14:51:00 GMT
From: [email protected]
Subject: Goats and Sheds
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
I just found about this newsgroup, so I will try posting this note
about goats here.
A related problem: in my pasture there is a small "barn." It is probably
big enough inside for two horses. The previous tenant felt that there would
be a problem, though, with having two horses, and that would be that the
doorway would be too narrow for both horses to pass through the doorway at
the same time. She thought that if one horse wanted to go in, and the
other horse wanted to go out, and neither wanted to yield to the other, that
somebody might get hurt by the other. How valid is this?
If it is a valid problem, how wide should the doorway be? Making the doorway
bigger would mean a major rebuilding of this shed, so I wouldn't want to do it
unless it was really necessary. Any ideas?
Also, is it ok to have two horses in one large "stall" (in other words the
whole shed) or should I put a divider in so there are two small stalls?
/* Written 8:34 am Jan 25, 1988 by [email protected] in uiucdcsb:rec.pets */
/* ---------- "Goats" ---------- */
Right now I have a dog, a cat, and a horse.
Since my horse doesn't have a pasture mate, a friend of mine suggested
I get a goat. I tend to think I have enough animals to worry about,
but it is worth thinking about.
However, I don't know anything about goats. How you take care of them,
how healthy they are, what kind of problems they have, etc.
Does anybody know ANYTHING about goats?
How well do they get along with dogs and cats ( and horses)?
What kind of fence do you need to keep them in?
/* End of text from uiucdcsb:rec.pets */
------------------------------
Date: 27 Jan 88 13:30:26 GMT
From: [email protected]
Organization: The Pennsylvania State University - Computation Center
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Rats in the Barn
The type of poison that we use is called "Blue Death" - I'm not sure what
the active ingredient is. According to our vet there is no problem with
a cat eating a rat that ate this poison. We did have a case where the
cats got into the poison and ate it. That involved a quick trip to the
vet for something to purge their stomachs. The cats that had eaten the
poison are still around today.
------------------------------
Date: 29 Jan 88 04:30:11 GMT
From: [email protected] (Joseph D. Morrison)
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science, Cambridge
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Synthetic Material Saddles
In article <[email protected]> Robin King writes:
> We saw some English saddles which aren't leather, but
> are covered with a clothlike material with some synthetic
> girth straps. The idea seems poor but they are SO comfort-
> able, well padded, and are priced $325-350. Does anybody
> know whether these are of decent quality?
Hello, I'm no expert in this subject, but a friend of mine is, who
has graciously consented to offer some advice :-)
hi robin as far as i know the saddles you are looking at are good.
I personally would not buy one because i show and i need my saddle to
look nice and neat. The saddles you are looking at are good for
hacking around and schooling on your own property. Go and look at
second hand leather saddles in your nearest tack shops.
All the best of luck and have fun
julia fogel and snaffles (my horse)
Send any replies to Joe Morrison at:
--
MIT Laboratory for Computer Science UUCP: ...!mit-eddie!vx!spectre
545 Technology Square, NE43-425 ARPA: [email protected]
Cambridge, MA 02139 (617) 253-5881
--
"That's no answer. That's not even science!"
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Date: 28 Jan 88 13:49:56 GMT
From: [email protected] (Moe Bradley)
Organization: Analysis & Technogy's Embedded Computer Group, New London, CT
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Rats in the Barn
Prior to getting my barn cat (she is a GREAT hunter, luckily for me), I
had some problems with field mice/rats. I found that I could
discourage them from tunneling in my barn/stalls by running a
length of hose into the tunnels as far as I could and then flooding it for
several minutes. After this treatment I collapsed the tunnels as best I
could--if I found the entrance on the outside of the barn I filled it with
small stones to discourage them from re-building what I had caved in. This
worked okay, but it was a solution that was only temporary. My best
suggestion is to either: 1) get another cat who may be interested in
keeping your barn free of pests (if you can keep a cat IN the barn, rather
than letting it out to roam free in search of other food this may work); or
2) invest in something like a Jack Russell terrier or the like--they like
to hunt small varmints, and are quite good at it, as I understand.
------------------------------
Date: 28 Jan 88 14:20:43 GMT
From: [email protected] (Moe Bradley)
Organization: Analysis & Technogy's Embedded Computer Group, New London, CT
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Aborted foal
My Saddlebred mare, age 14, aborted her foal last Sunday. She was
8-1/2 months along in her pregnancy, and did not appear to be having any
health problems or problems with the pregnancy. She shows no signs of
trauma, no marks/swelling indicating she was kicked, no evidence that she
fell, or signs of *any* injuries or illness.
The foal appeared to be normal in his development. The placenta
was totally intact, no unusual twists in the umbilical, no signs of
infection (discoloration, etc.), or any other outward indication of a
problem. A post mortem being conducted by Tufts University School of
Veterinary Science has not revealed any reason for the foal to have been
aborted. Their preliminary examination showed the colt to be normal in all
respects. They have taken several tissue samples for cultures, the results
of which should be available within the next few days.
The mare is healthy, well fed, receives good care, and regular
vet exams, shots, worming, etc. An examination performed the day after
she aborted showed no internal problems, and my vet even recommends
breeding her on her 30-day heat (he suggested doing cultures on her foal
heat, and infusing her to chase off any problems that she may have as a
result of the abortion).
Has anyone had this happen so late in a mare's term?
What are the practical chances of this happening again? I want to have
several more foals from this mare, but I do not want her to have to go
through this again for no reason. (Nor do I want to--it broke my heart to
find her baby dead in her stall). My vet says that I'm going to
have to take my chances like anyone else, but I don't want to go through it
again if the chances are good that she will not carry to full term.
Additional information: the mare has had 3 healthy,
full-term pregnancies, and delivered each of her foals with little/no
difficulty. She is a terrific mom, takes wonderful care of her babies,
and really enjoy her foals. Each of her colts is healthy, handsome, and
huge (the mare is 16.2+ hands)!
Any information anyone has will be appreciated.
------------------------------
Date: 27 Jan 88 23:19:40 GMT
From: [email protected] (Wendy Milner)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Ft. Collins CO
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: moonblindness
My mare (1/2 Arab) developed a case of moonblindness last summer.
The symptoms she showed were simply excessive tearing in one eye
and a sensitivity to light.
After a throughough exam which included testing for many other
eye ailments, it was diagnoised as moonblindness. At the time,
one name or another didn't bother me, however, when I told a vet
friend of mine what the diagnoise was, she said, OH NO., which worried
me more than what the attending vet said. However, after treament
lasting three months, my horse is cured.
As the attending vet explained to me, in the worst case the horse must
remain on medication for the rest of its life. In the best case,
which happily I had, a few months of treament is all that is necessary.
The problem with reoccurance happens when treament is suspended too
soon. Most people will treat their horse for a week or so. After all,
the symptoms disappear after that time. Then, the problems build up
and the symptoms reappear.
What is moonblindness? If I had my horse's medical records at work,
I'd give you the latin terms. In general, the horse has a problem
elsewhere (not in the eye). It may be so small that you don't even
notice. The horse's system fights the problem and it goes away.
Now, for some reason, the immune system looks for something else
to attack. The eye usually contains some bacteria. The immune system
goes after it. If you have ever had a small cut, you know that
the area around the cut gets sore, red and inflamed. The same thing
is happening in the horse's eye. Because of this, the eye tears,
is photo-sensitive, and generally hurts. If nothing is done for the
horse, the eye will become blind.
Most conventional treatments (as I have been hearing from magazine
and notes), treat the eye directly. This relieves the pain the horse
feels. But it does nothing for the cause of the pain. For awhile
the horse feels better. Then after the medication is stopped,
the bacteria returns and the immune system attacks again. When I
took my horse into the Colorado State University Vet Teaching Hospital,
they gave me topical medication to relieve the pain and irritation
that my horse was feeling. In addition, the gave me asprin in mega
doses for her. The asprin relieves all the back up pressure and
eventually tells the immune system to let up. The topical medication
went directly into her eye for six weeks. After only a week, the tearing
and light sensitivity was gone. The asprin, which came in a powder,
two tablespoons twice a day (approximately), continued for six weeks,
then the dosage went down slowly. According to the vets, some horses
will have reoccurances of the symptoms, other will not. If the symptoms
reoccure, the vets recommend that the asprin continue for the rest of
the horse's life. There have not been any conclusive research done
on the long term effects of asprin. It is suspected that in older
horses bleeding in the stomic may occur if the asprin is not buffered
by feeding the horse before treatment.
The vets which treated my horse specialize in eye ailments in animals.
Because they are teaching vets and do lots of research, they have the
most up-to-date information. (They may not always use it, but it is
available to them.) In addition at the CSU VTH they get a wide variety
of injuries and ailments, much more so than the average practicing
vet. All this is just to say that these vets may have a different
treatment than what your vet has recomended. I would not dismiss what
your vet says, but ask about other treatment, or write to CSU, Fort
Collins CO, and ask about moonblindness.
Hope this long explaination helps. There is help for moonblindness.
Wendy Milner
Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins
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| 77.50 | Equestrian Digest Issue #76 | LDP::BELANGER | KA1RML watching 145.090 | Wed Feb 17 1988 12:39 | 336 |
| Equestrian Digest Sat 30 Jan 1988 Issue 76
Today's Topics:
Killer hens (was: Rats in the Barn)
Re: Rats in the Barn
Synthetic Saddles & General Advice
Re: Synthetic Material Saddles
Re: Rats in the Barn
Re: Killer hens (was: Rats in the Barn)
Re: Goats and Sheds
Inquiring about PVC and pipe corral fencing
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: 28 Jan 88 14:33:34 GMT
From: [email protected] (Rob Bernardo)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Killer hens (was: Rats in the Barn)
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Rob Bernardo) writes:
+ I ask because I have a mouse problem in my oat hay. I refrained from using
+ poison because Lucy and Ethel, my laying hens, are also killer hens - I have
+ seen them capture, kill and eat mice whole!
In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (FRYSINGER) writes:
+I'm planning on starting a laying/meat flock this year; what breed are
+your killer chickens (I'll avoid them, since 20 of them would probably
+carry ME off to the corner of the coop and have breakfast!).
I suppose they'd probably carry you off to the corner of the coop,
eat the part of you that looks like a big, delicious worm, and leave
the rest as inedible! :-)
+Seriously, though, doesn't this behaviour lead to cannibilism in
+your chickens?
Seriously, from my observations, the hens have two ways of eating things.
One is to swallow the food whole, the same way you often see a bird in
your yard down a worm. However, when I feed them kitchen scraps, esp.
giblets from store bought chicken (talk about cannabalism - they
just *love* the heart), which are too big to swallow, they'll peck at
the food.
Chickens are carnivorous. In the yard, they mainly eat bugs. Being
carnivorous does not imply being cannabalistic. I suspect it comes
down to what the hens recognize as food. And I think that for them,
small size counts. I don't know if chickens ever eat their chicks.
I think you are safe, Steve, Alfred Hitchcock notwithstanding,
as the hens never attack in concert. They roam around my yard together,
but if one of them finds something real good, like a small lizard,
she'll run away, lest the other hen successfully take it from her.
Now, what does this have to do with horses? :-) Do I hear a call
for a new news group? Rec.farm perhaps?
--
Rob Bernardo uucp: [backbone]!ptsfa!rob
residence: (415) 827-4301 (Concord, CA) business: (415) 823-2417 (San Ramon, CA)
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Date: 28 Jan 88 14:37:40 GMT
From: [email protected] (Rob Bernardo)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Rats in the Barn
In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (FRYSINGER) writes:
+what breed are
+your killer chickens
Sorry. Forgot to answer this one question. They are Rhode Island Reds.
However, the friends that gave them to me as a house warming gift said
they were "sex link"??? Does anybody know if that's a breed, or did
I misunderstand something?
--
Rob Bernardo uucp: [backbone]!ptsfa!rob
residence: (415) 827-4301 (Concord, CA) business: (415) 823-2417 (San Ramon, CA)
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Date: 29 Jan 88 14:52:14 GMT
From: [email protected] (Deitrick)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories - Naperville, Illinois
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Synthetic Saddles & General Advice
>and are now faced with bewildering choices of equipment
>to buy. Being on a limited budget right now, we can't
>buy "the best" of everything but don't want to sacrifice
>basic quality.
Best doesn't always mean 'most expensive'. Best doesn't always
mean 'new'. You can have the best on a limited budget.
> We saw some English saddles which aren't leather, but
>are covered with a clothlike material with some synthetic
>girth straps. The idea seems poor but they are SO comfort-
>able, well padded, and are priced $325-350. Does anybody
>know whether these are of decent quality? Apparently they
>haven't been on the market more than a couple of years.
Anyone who has owned a horse for more than a few months will
tell you that you can't afford less than the most sturdy stuff
around a horse. Horses are just hell on every piece of tack
you'll ever own or use.
I've seen those saddles and would never consider buying one.
The best the owner of the tack shop where I saw the saddle could
say about it was that it was good for riding in situations where
it might get wet. If that's the best thing about it, I would say
that overall it's a poor deal. I recommend that you stay away.
Have you considered buying used equipment? Most tack shops
sell at least some used tack at reasonable prices. A friend of
mine bought a used Kieffer all-purpose saddle for about $350-$400.
With a little work you can get the best for a reasonable price.
If you decide to buy a leather saddle, let us know before you
spend any money. There are lots of things to look for and lots
of things to avoid.
> This is going to have to fit both me and my boyfriend who
>really should get differnt sized saddles (16" vs 17.5-18").
Then the one of you the saddle doesn't fit will hate riding.
If the saddle doesn't fit either one of you, you will both
hate riding.
> It's hard to choose when you're a real novice so thanks
>for any advice.
> Robin King
>
You're welcome. I've owned one horse or another for more than six years.
When I started out, I had no one to advise me and I made most of the
mistakes you can make. I wasted a lot of money in the process. If you
have any more questions, send me mail and I'll be glad to help out.
Carl Deitrick
ihnp4!ihuxv!cbd
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Date: 29 Jan 88 18:08:06 GMT
From: [email protected]
Organization: The Pennsylvania State University - Computation Center
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Synthetic Material Saddles
synthetic, and what type: dressage, combined training, etc. I've settled
for the time being with a Stubben Ziegfried which I purchased nearly brand
spanking new for $350, including fittings. I'm also still looking at
dressage saddles.
Anyway, as far as the synthetic fabric saddles go, beware. EQUUS magazine
ran an article about them about a year ago, which had some good info. I've
seen both the Wintec (Australian made) and the Ulster ( I think it is the
same horse boot company). I personally think that the Ulster is the better
saddle (so did Equus). It has a wider base of support, and is better
constructed. They are comfortable to sit in, but I would talk to someone
who had one for a year (would they get "mushy"?). A friend of mine who
competes heavily in competitive trail riding says that the distance riders
don't like them and don't use them (she has a rigged County Competitor
dressage saddle). Some of the disadvantages that Equus mentioned:
is being able to use soap and water
quickly
The advantages that I've heard have been:
generally beat it up) and spare your leather saddle
leather saddle)
I have used synthetic material reins, bridles, and breast straps, which
I like a lot.
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Date: 29 Jan 88 17:36:12 GMT
From: [email protected] (David Prager)
Organization: Data I/O Corporation; Redmond, WA
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Rats in the Barn
I too resisted placing rat bait in the barn for fear my dogs would get
into it. My vet assured me there was litle risk involved. The bait
in question was D-Con which supposedly causes the blood no to coagulate
and the rodents bleed (internally) to death. I was more concerned that the
dogs would find a dead or dying rat than actually getting the bait.
The vet told me that eating a treated (?) rat shouldn't cause any
problems but should they get the bait, an easy antidote was availible.
I think it was vitamin K.
Anyway, I hardly ever see a rat or mouse anymore, and the dogs thrive.
Arf.
David
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FutureNet Corp
10524 Willows Rd. NE
Redmond, WA. ...uw-beaver!entropy!dataio!prager
98073-9746 or whatever works.
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Date: 29 Jan 88 18:41:44 GMT
From: [email protected] (FRYSINGER)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Killer hens (was: Rats in the Barn)
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Rob Bernardo) writes:
> Chickens are carnivorous. In the yard, they mainly eat bugs. Being
> carnivorous does not imply being cannabalistic.
The reason I asked about cannabalism is that my reading leads me to
believe that cannabalism among chickens is a serious problem,
especially in close confinement. That's why farm factory operators
like Frank Purdue debeak their birds before they cram them into the
laying building. I seem to remember that egg-eating on the part of
the hens can lead them to start pecking each other, and that once they
get a taste for fresh chicken meat it's hard to get them stopped.
But this is all from reading; I don't have any direct data.
> Now, what does this have to do with horses? :-) Do I hear a call
> for a new news group? Rec.farm perhaps?
You know, Rob, I think you're on to something here. I ravenously
devour rec.gardens and rec.equestrian because they deal with PART
of the lifestyle I'm adopting and thoroughly enjoying. A newsgroup
related to farming in general (livestock, garden and field crops,
orchards, barn construction, cider making, sugaring, etc) would
be a delight to me, if I weren't the only one participating.
Our farmstead includes sheep and angora rabbits (handspinning, weaving),
chickens (meat and eggs) starting this summer, a 2400' vegatable
garden, a small experimental grain and pumpkin field, apples (cider
and applejack), hay (starting this year), and maple sugar. We're
building a post and beam carriage barn this spring, adding a loft to
our sheep barn, building a chicken coop, and in general trying to keep
ourselves and our kids outside as much as we can. I also volunteer at
our county living history farm which recreates farming at the turn
of this century (draft horses, cidering, sugaring, logging, etc).
Needless to say, we don't try to make a living at this, but just try
to sell enough (mostly wool, syrup, and eggs soon) to break even on
feed & such; our REAL profits are the high-quality food we eat,
and the joy of doing something which is unambiguously WORTHWHILE.
There must be others on the net taking this approach to life, and modern
farmsteaders conspicuously lack the local support community that used to
exist when nearly everyone grew some of their own consumables.
A rec.farm newsgroup might be the answer.
Anyone else have an opinion on this?
Steve
***
Anything worthwhile takes a little time...
Sieze the minute, build a new world, sing an old song.
-- Pete Seeger in "Maple Syrup Time"
------------------------------
Date: 29 Jan 88 23:17:15 GMT
From: [email protected] (FRYSINGER)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Goats and Sheds
In article <190400001@uiucdcsb>, [email protected] writes:
>
> Since my horse doesn't have a pasture mate, a friend of mine suggested
> I get a goat. I tend to think I have enough animals to worry about,
> but it is worth thinking about.
>
> However, I don't know anything about goats. How you take care of them,
> how healthy they are, what kind of problems they have, etc.
> Does anybody know ANYTHING about goats?
> How well do they get along with dogs and cats ( and horses)?
> What kind of fence do you need to keep them in?
A goat was kept at one barn at which I rode, and it seemed to get
along very well with the horses. It was extremely playful, which
could be hazardous with small children. They're also less spooky than
horses and sheep, and for this reason are sometimes run with flocks
of sheep as protection against dogs (the goat stands its ground, the
sheep flock around it, the dogs go away).
The major drawback I see is that they are born climbers, and
apparently feel a moral obligation to try to get out of whatever
enclosure they're in. Where sheep and horses won't jump 4' pasture
fences under normal circumstances (though they both can), I'm led
to believe that a goat will do it as a matter of principle. And
then probably go climb on your car and stand on the roof (I've seen
this a couple of times!). So you'll want fairly tall fences or
else good training.
Steve
PS: Though I don't keep goats at the moment, we've been bracing ourselves
to do it within the next couple of years, since we're drinking milk at
the rate of a gallon a day, and rumor has it our children will only get
bigger. The hardship for us will be the twice-a-day milking schedule.
------------------------------
Date: 30 Jan 88 21:19:22 GMT
From: [email protected] (Rob Bernardo)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Subject: Inquiring about PVC and pipe corral fencing
I am thinking about replacing my wood corral fence, which is rotting
in places, chewed in places, and badly needing a coat of paint all
over. I am considering investing in galvanized pipe fencing and PVC
fencing rather than repairing the wood fence as it breaks here and
there. Anybody know much about these other types of fencing? Cost?
Durability? Difficulty of installation?
I am also planning on installing a chain link fence that will run up
to the corral. Can chain link fencing be used safely for a horse
corral? How does it compare in durability and cost to pipe fencing.
--
Rob Bernardo uucp: [backbone]!ptsfa!rob
residence: (415) 827-4301 (Concord, CA) business: (415) 823-2417 (San Ramon, CA)
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| 77.51 | Equestrian Digest Issue #77 | LDP::BELANGER | KA1RML watching 145.090 | Wed Feb 17 1988 12:49 | 457 |
| Equestrian Digest Tue 16 Feb 1988 Issue 77
Today's Topics:
Rats In The Barn
Choosing A Saddle
WANTED: Dressage judge for schooling show
Re: Rats in the Barn
Re: Rats In The Barn
Re: Goats and Sheds
Re: Discussion of rec.farm proposal (DON'T VOTE YET!)
Another horse person for your list
re: synthetic saddles
Problem: snow clogging shoes
More Equine Ramblings
Re: Problem: snow clogging shoes
Grendel Revisited
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: 31 Jan 88 18:10:07 GMT
From: [email protected] (Deitrick)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories - Naperville, Illinois
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Rats In The Barn
I have no direct experience with this, but I recall seeing an article in
The Country Journal several years ago that dealt with rats on a farm. The
author of the article had bought a farm that was being quickly consumed by
rats. He tried cats, traps, poison, water in the dens, all the things
discussed here recently, and nothing worked.
Then for some unrelated reason, he brought a Jack Russell terrier to his
farm for several days. This dog had been a house pet, had never been near
a farm before, and had never seen a rat before, but the second it saw a
rat on this farm, it's life was transformed. The bitch ran herself ragged
for three day killing rats.
He tried this with other Jack Russells and they all took to rat-killing the
way teenagers take to fornication. Apparently, Jack Russell terriers were
bred for just this task. The author said that he quickly gained the upper
hand and has kept it ever since.
Carl Deitrick
ihnp4!ihuxv!cbd
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Date: 31 Jan 88 18:35:13 GMT
From: [email protected] (Deitrick)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories - Naperville, Illinois
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Choosing A Saddle
>Saddles: how do you fit a saddle for the rider and for the horse?
Unless your horse is unusually wide or narrow through the withers, any
good saddle will fit the horse. It is important that the saddle rest on
the muscles on either side of the spine AND NOT ON THE SPINE ITSELF.
Thus, the saddle's gullet must be deep enough that the saddle clears the
spine. A good way to test this is to put the saddle on the horse just
as you would for riding and then try to slide a crop underneath the
saddle along the horse's spine. If the crop slides in easily, there's
enough room.
There is more to fitting a saddle to the rider. The way to check for the
saddle's fit is to sit in the saddle as you would when you ride and then
place a fist behind you on the saddle so your little finger touches your
back. Your thumb should reach just to the saddle's cantle. If it doesn't
reach that far, the saddle is too large for you. If it goes over the
cantle, the saddle is too small for you.
What size saddle you choose does not depend on the size of the horse,
except if the horse is very wide or very narrow through the withers.
If your saddle fits a 14.2 pony it should also fit a 16.2 horse (assuming
of course that you have a longer girth 8-))
>Suggestions on brands, types and all that?
>
>Anybody have an all-purpose English saddle? My horse is 16.2 hands
>(half-arab, half thorobred), and people have told me I need about a
>size 18.
Kieffer, Passier, Stubben, Courbette, Crosby are all good names in
saddles. If you're just a general rider (i.e. don't want to specialize
in one area), an all-purpose saddle is a good idea. You have to under-
stand, though, that any all-purpose saddle is a compromise. It is less
than optimal for dressage and less than optimal for jumping, but is
adequate for both. Neither is there any such thing as a truly "all-purpose"
saddle. Any saddle that claims to be all-purpose has a tendency either
way - jumping or dressage. I have an all-purpose Kieffer saddle which
has a tendency towards dressage, but I can jump very comfortably in it.
I had an all-purpose Stubben that had a tendency toward jumping and I
tended to swim in it when I rode dressage in it.
There are saddles available that have a hinge in the leg flap that lets
the flap move forward for jumping and backward for dressage. I knew one
family that had one for their daughter and they had doubts about the
durability of the hinge. I think I would stay away from such a saddle.
Avoid Argentinian saddles the way you'd avoid a skunk. Argentinian saddles
have a reputation for being pure garbage and not worth hauling home from
the tack store.
>(I am looking for a used saddle, to save money. I am in Champaign, Illinois,
>but if you are in Illinois or Indiana, I could make the trip)
Used saddles are a good idea. Most tack stores have them for sale.
Carl Deitrick
ihnp4!ihuxv!cbd
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Date: 3 Feb 88 15:50:24 GMT
From: [email protected]
Organization: The Pennsylvania State University - Computation Center
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: WANTED: Dressage judge for schooling show
The Keystone Dressage and Combined Training Association (USDF) is looking for a
judge for our annual schooling show. It is to be held Sunday April 24
at Jodon's Stables in Stromstown PA (near State College PA). We have mostly
Training Level & First Level riders with at most five riders at higher levels
(Third or Fourth Level). We have musical freestyle classes and jumper/
combined test classes and divisions. All the 'r' judges we've contacted are
either busy or way too expensive (>$300 per day). Is there someone out there
going for a 'r' who could make our show? We can put you up over night at
someone's home and/or have you back for a clinic.(Of course we expect to pay
a fee and/or travel. We just don't want to loose our shirts.)
------------------------------
Date: 3 Feb 88 16:04:29 GMT
From: [email protected] (susans)
Organization: Consumer Financial Institute, Waltham, Mass.
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Rats in the Barn
In article <[email protected]> [email protected] () writes:
>>However, the friends that gave them to me as a house warming gift said
>>they were "sex link"??? Does anybody know if that's a breed, or did
>>I misunderstand something?
>
>Sex links are a breed and Rhode Island reds are a breed.
>
>David Prager
From what I learned in my one year as a pre-veterinary
school major in college, this is totally incorrect.
Sex link refers to certain traits, such as baldness in
humans. Baldness is a sex linked trait which affects
men. Another sex linked trait is the calico coloring
in cats: all calico cats are female.
I assume their is something unusual about the original
poster's R.I. Reds, such as an odd coloring.
--
Susan Scheide (susans)
"Another friend of Bill's"
------------------------------
Date: 5 Feb 88 18:13:07 GMT
From: [email protected] (Linda Kinsel)
Organization: HP Elec. Design Div. -ColoSpgs
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Rats In The Barn
> The type of poison that we use is called "Blue Death" - I'm not sure what
> the active ingredient is.
Probably copper sulfate. It's a beautiful blue color, and is used as a
rat poison. It's also sometimes called "Blue Vitrol."
------------------------------
Date: 9 Feb 88 16:31:26 GMT
From: [email protected] (Helen R. Polak )
Organization: Ballistic Research Lab (BRL), APG, MD.
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Goats and Sheds
My family got a milch goat to keep our half-quarter horse company,
back when we had a farm.
She played well with Skip the dog, was ever gentle of the kittens
underfoot, and ignored the guinea pigs and chickens.
She shared a 1 bedroom shack :-) with the horse, and they got along
fine.
Like *most* female goats, she was odor-resistant, and was
quite healthy while we had her. Goats are rumored, my sister
with the degree in animal science says, to be about as
problem free as a farm animal is going to get.
Belle really was quite friendly, never nipped anyone, although she
liked eating buttons. She also destroyed a few young trees, but
we didn't miss them.
She was raised with an electric fence, so she minded it, but I hear
goats that aren't, crawl under, or jump out.
Male goats get stinky during rutting season, but I've never
been around them, so don't know how bad it gets.
Helen /.sp
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Date: 9 Feb 88 14:52:27 GMT
From: uflorida!codas!mtune!mtgzz!mtgzy!mtuxo!homxb!whuts!spf@gatech.edu
(FRYSINGER)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Discussion of rec.farm proposal (DON'T VOTE YET!)
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
(Pria Graves) writes:
> On the flip side, I work one Saturday a month at a living history farm
> driving a horse-drawn railroad and I just spent a weekend learning more
> about driving draft horse teams for disking, pulling a walking plow
> etc. Anyone else with such a hobby?
Yep! I've been volunteering at our county living history farm
(1880-1910 period), which has a team of Belgian crosses and a team
of mules. I haven't worked with the teams yet, but I'm hoping to
eventually get into an apprenticeship with the farm superintendant
who currently drives them. Incidently, I've just started receiving
Small Farm Journal, a (quarterly?) magazine which is especially
oriented toward horse (and mule and oxen) powered farming, although
they don't frown on small tractors as long as they're old. The
first issue is interesting, and seems especially targeted toward
small-scale, diversified farming (as opposed to "agribusiness").
Steve
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 12-FEB-1988 10:23 EST
From: Mary Kafura <KAFURAMK%[email protected]>
Subject: Another horse person for your list
Please add me to your mailing list. My address is:
BITNET%"KAFURAMK@VTME"
My name is Mary Kafura. I am the system manager for the department of
Mechanical Engineering at Virginia Tech in Blacksburg, Va.
We have a small farm (35 acres) with four equines currently in residence:
Andy - a funky little bay pony (14.1) of unknown ancestry. He is 5 years old
and I have had him since he was a weanling. He jumps 2'6", is learning
dressage and is very cute. He also 'racks' which is great on the trail
but not so great in front of a fence!
Amos - (yeah, I know...but they came with those names!) a big boned chestnut
16H saddlebred/walker gelding 5 years old. A bit spooky but very
athletic. My husband Dennis is eventing him.
Pooh - a palomino paso fino mare 14.2 with lovely manners. She is our 'company
horse'. She can be trusted with ANYONE and that is rare.
Swanee - (Southern Folk Song) a 2 year old registered Saddlebred gelding. He
actually belongs to our trainer and is just boarding with us. He is
growing and filling out nicely. Very gentle and friendly but I am not
sure he has a brain. Our trainer thinks he may be hunter material.
More later...
Thanks for listening. I am sorry if I tend to ramble on, but I am crazy about
horses and will talk non-stop given the slightest encouragement!
Mary
------------------------------
Date: 15 Feb 88 02:46:32 GMT
From: sandy%[email protected] (Sandy Knemeyer)
Organization: the human race
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: re: synthetic saddles
Someone posted something about people using synthetic saddles in
endurance riding. Anyone have an idea what sort of price range
those are in? I'm interested in getting a new saddle and a durable
one, but things that are new on the market tend to be outrageously
expensive...
Thanks.
Sandy Knemeyer [email protected]
------------------------------
Date: 15 Feb 88 19:07:36 GMT
From: [email protected] (Richard Marisa)
Organization: Cornell Theory Center, Cornell University, Ithaca NY
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Problem: snow clogging shoes
A neighbor is boarding her bay in our barn. He is shod with corrective
shoes on his front feet, including a rubber mat across the whole bottom
of each foot. When he was taken out for a short ride, the snow packed up
inside the shoe until he was walking on huge iceballs! I suppose the
rubber pad is insulating the foot and eliminating any flexing, so the
snow isn't able (encouraged?) to drop out. My neighbor tried spraying
his feet with PAM (the cooking oil substitute) to make the snow slide
off, but to no avail. Our other horse and ponies (unshod) haven't had
similar problems. Has anyone had similar problems and found a solution?
Thanks in advance for any suggestions!
Rich Marisa
[email protected]
[email protected]
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Date: Tue, 16-FEB-1988 15:11 EST
From: Mary Kafura <KAFURAMK%[email protected]>
Subject: More Equine Ramblings
Some comments about recent topics:
Moonblindness - As all of you know, the term 'moonblindness' is used to
decribe a condition (scarring of the cornea) that has many causes. One
cause that no one seems to think of when it strikes is leptosporisis.
Cattle carry leptosporisis. If your horse pastures with or adjacent to
cattle you might want to consider a yearly vaccination program.
One of our neighbor's work horses (pastured with cattle) went blind.
The blood titres showed the cause to be leptosporisis. We had all our
horses vaccinated (they are in adjacent pastures and 'visited' over the
fence) and have not had a problem. Just last week a local barn put
down 8 lovely lesson horses -moonblindness caused by leptosporisis.
They had been pastured with the owner's cattle.
Riding with your Little One - Children under the age of 2 have very
short attention spans. If you decide to take your baby riding with
you, be prepared for a 5 to 15 minute session. This is all the little
one can handle. Of course, only a quiet walk should be attempted.
Don't think you are all going out for a nice 45 minute ride cross country!
Regarding the Tots in Tandem saddle that someone mentioned:
The details are in the January 1987 Equus (issue 111) page 23.
Allow me to quote briefly : "...with the youngster riding
double in a regular English or Western saddle...neither rider is comfortable
or particularly secure...bareback pads never seem to stay where they belong
since the girth is usually a beltlike surcingle. I wished to use
standard English girth, stirrup leathers and stirrups...The separate
stirrups and placement of the child in the forward position offer
comfort and stability to both riders. Johnson has found the saddle to be
the solution to her parental riding needs and a valuable equipment
addition in a nearby therapeutic-riding program."
Horse Trials for Beginners - We are fortunate here in southwest Virginia
to have the fantastic "Woolwine Horse Trials". There is a division
specifically created for beginning riders (or horses). It is appropriately
called "Greener than Grass". The dressage test is the Pony Club walk-trot
test. The cross country fences are 2' 2'3" and maybe a 2'6" here and there.
The time limit on the cross country phase is long enough to permit you
to trot your fences if you so desire. The stadium jumping fences are
2'3" and 2'6". "Greener than Grass" is further divided into Junior,
Senior, and Vintage (over 30). Ribbons are awarded and the entry fee is
only $35. Woolwine also has the usual other levels of competition.
My husband competed in GTG last fall with his spooky 5 year old and
had a wonderful time. My pony pulled up lame the week before so I
was chief groom and photographer. I plan to take my pony this fall.
The trials are sanctioned. If you would like further information you
may contact the organizer of the event: Bernard Hylton
White Oak Farm
Floyd, VA
Woolwine is run in a very professional manner. Times are given and adhered to.
--------------------Training Advice Needed-------------------------------------
My pony Andy tends to 4 beat his under saddle canter. On the lunge line he
is fine. Does anyone have any suggestions that might help eliminate the
four beat canter and get a true one? I am sure his tendency to four-beat
is related to his extra 'racking' gait. When my trainer was first working
with him, he would 'rack' a step or two in the walk-trot transition. She
used trotting poles to help him get a clean transition. It might be that
under saddle, he feels a bit off balance and so adds the extra beat.
Anyway, he is a good little jumper but I just can't 4 beat around a hunter
course!
------------------------------
Date: 16 Feb 88 20:11:26 GMT
From: [email protected] (Joel B Levin)
Organization: BBN Communications Corporation
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Problem: snow clogging shoes
In article <[email protected]> [email protected]
(Richard Marisa) writes:
:A neighbor is boarding her bay in our barn. He is shod with corrective
:shoes on his front feet, including a rubber mat across the whole bottom
:of each foot. When he was taken out for a short ride, the snow packed up
:inside the shoe until he was walking on huge iceballs! ....
It depends on a lot of things ... the type of snow, the shape of the
foot, etc. With or without pads, snowballs / iceballs are dangerous
to the rider and horse due to loss of traction. Without pads, the ice
in the foot can also be very painful.
There are special pads called snowball pads (I think) with convex
"outdentations" (I suddenly can't remember the opposite of
indentations) which can help a lot to resist buildup of snow in the
foot. Ask your farrier.
/JBL
UUCP: {harvard, husc6, etc.}!bbn!levin
ARPA: [email protected]
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 88 17:17:13 EST
From: Ken Rossen <[email protected]>
Subject: Grendel Revisited
Long-time readers of the Equestrian Digest (still-living ancestor of
"rec.equestrian," for those of you reading this on USENET), will recall
that Karen and I bought and sold a young chestnut Hannoverian named
Grendel (her first German warmblood). We wrote about many of the events
in his stay with us, including his outgrowing of Karen (we bought him
at 17.0h and he kept getting bigger, Karen is about 5'3") and his surprising
appearance in "Practical Horseman" as the demo horse in the photos in
Debbie Shinn-Bowman's first article in the recent series on dressage
training.
Amusing epilogue follows -- Robert, Grendel's new owner (and the guy
atop Grendel in aforementioned Practical Horseman photos) called Karen
on the phone last week. He's really enjoying Grendel down there in
Tomball, Texas, and Grendel seems to enjoy him. Robert takes the big G
to Virginia for training with Debbie almost every month, hauling the
horse by himself in a two-horse trailer. He says Grendel hauls really
well (which is consistent with our recollection of him -- Grendel was
the perfect traveller), but that he does have one quirk. At 18.0+ hands
now, G has to duck somewhat to enter Robert's very normal-sized trailer.
However from time to time, Grendel will choose instead to lift his head, at
which point he just stops, and rests his chin on the roof.
Must be quite a sight.
From what I understand, Robert doesn't let him travel that way.
--
[email protected]
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| From: DECWRL::"[email protected]" "19-Feb-88 0210 EST" 19-FEB-1988 02:23
To: [email protected]
Subj: Equestrian Digest Issue 78
Equestrian Digest Thu 18 Feb 1988 Issue 78
Today's Topics:
Re: Problem: snow clogging shoes
Small Farmer's Journal
Re: Problem: snow clogging shoes
Re: Problem: snow clogging shoes
Re: synthetic saddles
West Coast Riding
Horse Liability Insurance an Leases
Re: Horse Liability Insurance an Leases
Re: West Coast Riding
Re: Horse Liability Insurance an Leases
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Date: 16 Feb 88 16:35:43 GMT
From: [email protected] (susans)
Organization: Consumer Financial Institute, Waltham, Mass.
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Problem: snow clogging shoes
In article <[email protected]> Richard Marisa writes:
>A neighbor is boarding her bay in our barn. He is shod with corrective
>shoes on his front feet, including a rubber mat across the whole bottom
>of each foot. When he was taken out for a short ride, the snow packed up
>inside the shoe until he was walking on huge iceballs!
>Has anyone had similar problems and found a solution?
Here in good old Massachusetts we get plenty of snow. My California
bred horses didn't like it much at first, and we are damn lucky we
didn't injure them before we found out about the special anti-snowball
pads the farrier uses in the winter. My horse also wore the corrective
pads, but in the winter the farrier used blue plastic ones with a
bump sticking out in the middle, to prevent the snow from packing in
the shoe.
--
Susan Scheide
Another friend of Bill's
"I am responsible..."
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Date: 16 Feb 88 14:28:46 GMT
From: [email protected] (FRYSINGER)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Small Farmer's Journal
Some folks have asked for it, so here is the address:
Small Farmer's Journal
PO Box 2805
Eugene, Oregon 97402
It's a quarterly at $15 per year, large format (11x17"?), with
a special emphasis on farming with draft animals (horses, mules,
oxen). I've just started getting it so I can't comment on its
quality, but the first issue was interesting to me.
Peace, Steve
------------------------------
Date: 17 Feb 88 18:16:12 GMT
From: [email protected] (Jennifer Moore)
Organization: Theory Center, Cornell U., Ithaca NY
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Problem: snow clogging shoes
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Richard Marisa) writes:
>
> A neighbor is boarding her bay in our barn. He is shod with corrective
> shoes on his front feet, including a rubber mat across the whole bottom
> of each foot. When he was taken out for a short ride, the snow packed up
> inside the shoe until he was walking on huge iceballs! I suppose the
My pony wears pads with her shoes for the simple reason of protecting her
sole from stone bruises and the like. Before I decided to pull her shoes
and pads for the winter, it was suggested to me that spraying PAM on the
bottoms of her feet before riding would prevent the snow from building up.
PAM is the stuff you can buy in the grocery store for greasing the pan
before cooking. I never had the opportunity to try it, so can't tell
you if it actually works, but it sounds like a possible solution to the
problem you describe. Hope it works!
Jennifer Moore
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
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Date: 18 Feb 88 03:28:54 GMT
From: sandy%[email protected] (Sandy Knemeyer)
Organization: the human race
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Problem: snow clogging shoes
In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Joel B Levin) writes:
>In article <[email protected]> [email protected]
(Richard Marisa) writes:
>:A neighbor is boarding her bay in our barn. He is shod with corrective
>:shoes on his front feet, including a rubber mat across the whole bottom
>:of each foot. When he was taken out for a short ride, the snow packed up
>:inside the shoe until he was walking on huge iceballs! ....
>
>It depends on a lot of things ... the type of snow, the shape of the
>foot, etc. With or without pads, snowballs / iceballs are dangerous
>to the rider and horse due to loss of traction. Without pads, the ice
>in the foot can also be very painful.
>
>There are special pads called snowball pads (I think) with convex
>"outdentations" (I suddenly can't remember the opposite of
>indentations) which can help a lot to resist buildup of snow in the
>foot. Ask your farrier.
> /JBL
>UUCP: {harvard, husc6, etc.}!bbn!levin
>ARPA: [email protected]
You might also try getting some coarse (60 grit) adhesive backed
sandpaper and putting it on the bottom of the shoe. You should
be able to get this at a hardware store. It wouldn't interfere
with the corrective action of the shoes, and it just might work.
Sandy Knemeyer [email protected]
"you can't fool us - we're scientists here!"
------------------------------
Date: 18 Feb 88 17:02:19 GMT
From: [email protected] (eMeL)
Organization: Los Alamos Natl. Labs, Los Alamos, NM
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: synthetic saddles
In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Sandy Knemeyer) writes:
>
> Someone posted something about people using synthetic saddles in
> endurance riding. Anyone have an idea what sort of price range
> those are in? I'm interested in getting a new saddle and a durable
> one, but things that are new on the market tend to be outrageously
> expensive...
>
> Thanks.
>
> Sandy Knemeyer [email protected]
A friend of mine has ordered one recently. It is costing her ~$1,000.
Every saddle is custom made, so delivery time is about 2-3 months.
You supply your body measurements and photos of your horse.
Also, it comes with a 30-day trial period where you can return the
saddle within that time if you are not satisfied and get a *full*
refund. They must have confidence in their product to offer a guarantee
like that!
Another friend has already received his. He likes it except
it is "bouncier" than what he is used to. Also, the saddle is *not*
durable. The company that manufactures this particular saddle,
recommends that the skirts and I don't know what else need to be
replaced periodically, depending on how much you use it.
But it is supposed to be very comfortable for both the rider and the
horse, and distributes your weight over the horse's back more evenly
(I think).
I'm sorry I don't know the name of the company or any specifics,
but if anybody is interested, I can get that info from my friends.
[email protected]
------------------------------
Date: 17 Feb 88 01:31:30 GMT
From: [email protected] (Dave Schoen)
Organization: HP Information Networks, Cupertino, CA
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: West Coast Riding
Howdy,
I have been reading here for some months and have even posted once or
twice....
But all I seem to see are east coaster's. This is not a problem, how-
ever if there are no west coaster's (esp central CA) then I will not put
stuff in here that would pertain only to the west coast.
So-o-o-o all you west coaster's, lets here it!
Also, do we have any... anywhere.... trail riding junkies? I live in
the Santa Cruz Mnts and spend *alot* of time just riding on and finding
new trails; some of which are a bit rustic.
dks
------------------------------
Date: 18 Feb 88 00:39:16 GMT
From: [email protected] (00704a-Churm)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories - Naperville, Illinois
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Horse Liability Insurance an Leases
I am currently looking at various stables throughout the
Chicago area. One of the stables (Lamplight for those in the area)
has a lease which basically makes me responsible for ALL acts
of my horse whether it is in their care or mine. They are excluded
only under "gross negligence", which my attorney says is virtually
unprovable.
My question is, does there exist liability insurance to protect me
against actions of my horse? I have mortality insurance & loss of use on
him, but that company (Harding and Harding) does not deal in liability.
Most of the Big insurance companies Allstate, State Farm, etc. don't
know what a horse is much less insure one. Country Companies and
Farmers Insurance will only insure me if I own a farm.
So what's a horseowner to do? I've heard
stories about someone's horse kicking a car and the owner getting sued.
Any help from the net or suggestions of Insurance Agents who deal with this
type of liability insurance would be much appreciated.
Also, are leases like the one above common? Lamplight seems like a nice
place but the lease seems unbearable. Comments on this are also welcome.
Thanks in advance.
BRIAN CHURM
ihnp4!ihuxy!churm
312-416-4910
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 88 16:12:08 EST
From: Ken Rossen <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Horse Liability Insurance an Leases
does there exist liability insurance to protect me against actions
of my horse?
Yes. The Rhulen Agency has exactly the sort of policy you are looking
for, and it's called "Private Horse Owner Liability" insurance.
It isn't exorbitant compared to the premiums for mortality insurance --
I think it's $175. anually (if I'm wrong, then that's the semi-annual figure),
and that covers all horses we may own.
Also, are leases like the one above common? Lamplight seems like a
nice place but the lease seems unbearable. Comments on this are also
welcome.
In my experience that is a very common clause for a boarding contract. If you
are concerned about how the management is going to apply it, see if you can
check with other boarders there (as I recall, Lamplight's a big place and
you should have quite a selection) and see if they have any horror stories.
We have never got into trouble with it. Most stable owners have borne
the cost of repairing things in their own barns in all cases, and the
understanding is that we bore the cost of anything that happened to the
horses. A careful boarder can spot "gross negligence" in the making. We
did get billed when Grendel (or was it Fribble?) kicked a hole in the arena
wall.
We have a Private Horse Owner policy less for concerns over incidents
at the stable than because we take the horses out a lot to clinics,
lessons elsewhere, and dressage shows around New England. Note that
Lamplight, as a sizeable boarding stable, may well have Care, Custody and
Control insurance, so it's possible they can cover anything awful that happens
to your horse if it is their fault.
Rhulen, of Monticello, NY, is at 1-800-431-1270. Don't be too intimidated
by the automatic switchboard system, you do get used to it.
Write if you have further questions.
--
[email protected]
------------------------------
Date: 18 Feb 88 17:09:53 GMT
From: [email protected] (eMeL)
Organization: Los Alamos Natl. Labs, Los Alamos, NM
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: West Coast Riding
In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Dave Schoen) writes:
>
> So-o-o-o all you west coaster's, lets here it!
>
> Also, do we have any... anywhere.... trail riding junkies? I live in
>the Santa Cruz Mnts and spend *alot* of time just riding on and finding
>new trails; some of which are a bit rustic.
>
>dks
Well, I do a lot of trail (especially for endurance) riding here in
the beautiful Southwest, northern New Mexico. There are many
lovely places to ride here in the mountains, as well as the valleys
and desert areas now. Right now the Los Alamos area is very wet and
mucky from all the melted snow. We have taken to trailering our horses
down to the dryer, warmer lowlands to ride on the weekends.
And I have another horse to ride besides my own... my friend's nutty
Arab gelding that I'm conditioning for endurance riding. He's got all
kinds of spunk that will take us many miles!
Ooooh, I'm psyched to do a lot of riding this summer!
[email protected]
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Date: 18 Feb 88 17:47:23 GMT
From: [email protected] (Rob Bernardo)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Subject: Re: Horse Liability Insurance an Leases
In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (00704a-Churm) writes:
+My question is, does there exist liability insurance to protect me
+against actions of my horse?
Check your homeowner's (or renter's) policy. My policy (through Cal.
State Auto. Assn. - the northern Cal. AAA affliate) protects me
against actions of my horse via the liability coverage.
--
Rob Bernardo uucp: [backbone]!ptsfa!rob
residence:(415) 827-4301 (Concord, CA) business:(415) 823-2417 (San Ramon, CA)
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| 77.53 | Equestrian Digest Issue #79 | LDP::BELANGER | KA1RML watching 145.090 | Mon Feb 22 1988 12:54 | 334 |
| Equestrian Digest Sun 21 Feb 1988 Issue 79
Today's Topics:
Re: West Coast Riding
saddle question
Re: synthetic saddle prices
Re: synthetic saddles
Re: Horse Liability Insurance an Leases
Re: West Coast Riding
Re: saddle question
Re: saddle question
stumblebum
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Date: 19 Feb 88 02:56:35 GMT
From: [email protected] (Sabrina Wilson)
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: West Coast Riding
In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Dave Schoen) writes:
>
> But all I seem to see are east coaster's. This is not a problem, how-
>ever if there are no west coaster's (esp central CA) then I will not put
>stuff in here that would pertain only to the west coast.
>
> So-o-o-o all you west coaster's, lets here it!
>
> Also, do we have any... anywhere.... trail riding junkies? I live in
>the Santa Cruz Mnts and spend *alot* of time just riding on and finding
>new trails; some of which are a bit rustic.
>
>dks
OK, you're hearing it!! I'm a west coast trail junkie who hasn't had a
fix in over a year!!
Seems there are no more rental stables worth anything in the Bay Area.
I would sure love to hear someone tell me I'm wrong!! The problem I
have with most of the rent stables I've found still operating after
the insurance companies drove up the rates is that the ride is almost
always guided, which turns out to mean that you ride at the level of
the lowest person in the group. The last place I tried was in Half Moon
Bay, and there was this guy who whistled and all the horse took off running
with helpless beginners clinging to them. I stopped and waited for the dust
to clear...
Anyway, if anyone knows of anyplace with good horses and lots of trails
in the Bay Area, pleasepleaseplease let me know!!
-Sabrina
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 88 18:30 EDT
From: James Jones <JAMES%[email protected]>
Subject: saddle question
Hi!
I have been reading about buying saddles in this digest and would
like to ask a question, since I am about to buy one myself.
I am looking a used saddle from Germany (Kieffer? forgot how
to spell the brand name, but it is made in Munich) that the owner
wants to sell for $600. I felt fine in it when I tried it, but I'm
wondering wheither $600 is high for a used saddle. I was told that
this particular saddle sells new for $1200.
I am also going to try another saddle, a Stubben, which I am
told sell new for approx. $700. Is it better to get the used saddle that is
already broken in (it seems to be in excellent shape) or a new saddle? Are
the prices I'm seeing too high? I am living in the Boston, Massachusetts area.
Thanks in advance for your advice!
James Jones
College of Engineering
Northeastern University
Boston, Massachusetts 02115
CSNet: [email protected]
ARPAnet: [email protected]@relay.cs.net
BITnet: [email protected]@csnet-relay
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Date: 18 Feb 88 23:09:07 GMT
From: [email protected] (Robin King)
Organization: Stanford University
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: synthetic saddle prices
After shopping around for our first saddle we decided
to get a new synthetic one (I'd wanted a good used leather
one but couldn't find a suitable one). We got a Wintek,
which is supposed to be fairly good. The price was $325
Not custom but it does the job.
Regarding leathers, the sales folks didn't mention
that they make special ones for Wintek so we shuffled around
trying to rig something reasonable. If you shove the leathers
through the pocket you don't get any forward/backward movement
:^(. The special ones are a single strap (not a loop) on the
outside. Gotta find some of those...!
Robin
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Date: 19 Feb 88 01:03:33 GMT
From: sandy%[email protected] (Sandy Knemeyer)
Organization: the human race
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: synthetic saddles
In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (eMeL) writes:
>In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Sandy Knemeyer)
writes:
>>
(I asked how much synthetic saddles went for)
>
>
>
>A friend of mine has ordered one recently. It is costing her ~$1,000.
>Every saddle is custom made, so delivery time is about 2-3 months.
>You supply your body measurements and photos of your horse.
>Also, it comes with a 30-day trial period where you can return the
>saddle within that time if you are not satisfied and get a *full*
>refund. They must have confidence in their product to offer a guarantee
>like that!
>
I have since heard from someone who knows where they are availble
for $300 or less (not custom made, however, but very durable and
good). I don't know exactly where this is from, but I can find out
if anyone's interested.
Sandy Knemeyer [email protected]
------------------------------
Date: 19 Feb 88 01:07:50 GMT
From: sandy%[email protected] (Sandy Knemeyer)
Organization: the human race
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Horse Liability Insurance an Leases
In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Rob Bernardo) writes:
>In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (00704a-Churm) writes:
>+My question is, does there exist liability insurance to protect me
>+against actions of my horse?
>
>Check your homeowner's (or renter's) policy. My policy (through Cal.
>State Auto. Assn. - the northern Cal. AAA affliate) protects me
>against actions of my horse via the liability coverage.
>--
It is also fairly common for the person leasing the horse to sign an
agreement to the effect that they will not sue the person who owns
the horse for any damages that occur during the lease.
Also, though it is always wise to protect oneself from possible lawsuits,
consider whether you would really want to lease your horse to someone
you don't trust not to sue you.
------------------------------
Date: 19 Feb 88 22:12:08 GMT
From: [email protected] (Rob Bernardo)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: West Coast Riding
In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Dave Schoen) writes:
+ But all I seem to see are east coaster's. This is not a problem, how-
+ever if there are no west coaster's (esp central CA) then I will not put
+stuff in here that would pertain only to the west coast.
Howdy! Here I am. Just don't have much to say. :-) But by way of
*re*introducing myself (I've been part of these group since the
"Equestrian Digest days), I'll say this:
I first rode a horse only 7 years ago. I got my QH/TB mare three and
a half years ago, when she was two and a half and only ground broke.
(Somewhat of a mistake for a then-novice rider to get such a young
horse.) A friend (and good horse trainer) broke her for me and did
some finishing though he did not perservere in his work all that much.
I ride Western.
About a year and a half ago I had the opportunity to buy a small horse
property in Concord, CA; I had been previously living in San Francisco
and boarded her with that trainer friend in Walnut Creek. Here I have
here a three stall barn and a thankfully very sandy 80x100 corral that
drains better than some sand arenas I've seen around here! (They
don't call it Lime Ridge for nothing! :-) )
The state riding/hiking trail passes by my back gate, and I can take
it about half a mile and then have access to a few hundred acres of the
Lime Ridge Open Space. And that's fortunate since I don't have a trailer.
Right now I'm trying to get her finished. Not an easy task for someone
who's barely an intermediate rider on his first horse. She seems to have
quite a bit of aptitude; too bad I can't afford any training (for me or
for her). :-(
When I had her boarded in Walnut Creek, my trainer friend and I would
sometimes trailer our horses to a place in Brentwood where you could
practice cutting cattle. They also have related things going on like
team penning. Is there anyone in the area who has a horse and trailer
who'd be interested in doing something like that together?
--
Rob Bernardo uucp: [backbone]!ptsfa!rob
residence: (415)827-4301 (Concord, CA) business: (415)823-2417 (San Ramon, CA)
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Date: 20 Feb 88 15:20:42 GMT
From: sandy%[email protected] (Sandy Knemeyer)
Organization: the human race
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: saddle question
In article <[email protected]>
[email protected] (James Jones) writes:
>
> I am looking a used saddle from Germany (Kieffer? forgot how
>to spell the brand name, but it is made in Munich) that the owner
>wants to sell for $600. I felt fine in it when I tried it, but I'm
>wondering wheither $600 is high for a used saddle. I was told that
>this particular saddle sells new for $1200.
>
> I am also going to try another saddle, a Stubben, which I am
>told sell new for approx. $700. Is it better to get the used saddle that is
>already broken in (it seems to be in excellent shape) or a new saddle? Are
>the prices I'm seeing too high? I am living in the Boston, Massachusetts area.
>
I don't know about Kieffer saddles in particluar (I've never seen
one in the flesh) but if it is $1200 new and you can get a used
one in excellent ocndition, it's a good deal. One that is already
broken in but is in good shape will be more comfortable for both
you and your horse.
I had a Stubben for a long time, and I have yet to find a saddle
that was more comfortable. At the same time my mother had one that
was supposed to be an exact copy of the one I had, but it wasn't
nearly as comfortable to me, and the horse didn't seem to like it as
much either.
Hope to have been of help.
Sandy Knemeyer [email protected]
------------------------------
Date: 20 Feb 88 21:02:39 GMT
From: [email protected] (Herbert Kanner)
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, USA
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: saddle question
Can't advise you without more info. For instance Steuben saddles come
in a number of lines, with different prices and different purposes:
there is the Siegfried, which is primarily a jumping saddle, the
Parsifal, which is primarily dressage, the Wotan, which I think is
"general purpose," the Imperatur, which I have never seen in the
United States; it is a very expensive model, but I got to ride in a
specimen in Ireland. So, I would have to know which Steuben. I have
only heard of Kiefer as a dressage saddle, but that might just be my
ignorance. Depending on what you want to do, and what model we are
talking about, the Kiefer might very well be more suitable for you
than the new Steuben, which I suspect from the price is probably a
Swiss-made Siegfried.
Suggest you get more specific info and post again, including a
statement of your riding experience and riding interests. Especially
regarding the used saddle, be sure to get it on trial to be sure it is
a reasonable fit to the horse. Best if you can find some local expert
who will take a look and advise you.
Best of luck.
--
Herb Kanner
Apple Computer, Inc.
{idi, ios, nsc}!apple!kanner
------------------------------
Date: 20 Feb 88 21:19:07 GMT
From: [email protected] (Herbert Kanner)
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc., Cupertino, USA
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: stumblebum
I have been riding an Arabian mare for the past six years. She had
minimum schooling when I started on her. I seized the opportunity to
have both of us learn something about dressage, and am now on my third
(and best) instructor. To give an idea of where we are, we are just
starting to work on haunches-in and half-pass.
Every so often, I jump her a bit, but she is real green and I have
never jumped her higher than a bit over two feet.
Now, here is the problem with this horse, who otherwise is more sure
footed than most. About once a year, she decides to fall for no
apparent reason. Until today, it has always been from a walk, has
always been on a long rein. It is as if she decided to fall asleep
while walking. It has also always been on a perfectly smooth dirt
road. Today, I worked her for 30 minuntes in a dressage ring. Took
her seven or eight times over a foot and a half jump, and then went
out on the trail. Cantered for about a quarter mile, walked for a
bit, and then put her in a quiet rising trot, again on a smooth dirt
road. Lengthened the rein fully and was stroking her on the neck
when she suddenly went down. To the best of my recollection, all of
these falls have been to the right. So far, I have gotten away with
all of these, i.e. not hurt, sometimes not even scratched. However,
it is beginning to bug me. Has anyone else on the net ever had a
similar problem?
--
Herb Kanner
Apple Computer, Inc.
{idi, ios, nsc}!apple!kanner
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| 77.54 | Equestrian Digest Issue #80 | LDP::BELANGER | KA1RML watching 145.090 | Mon Feb 29 1988 11:31 | 565 |
| Equestrian Digest Sun 28 Feb 1988 Issue 80
Today's Topics:
Advice Needed on Jumping
RE:saddle question
Re: stumblebum
fencing for mare and foal
Re: stumblebum
Re: Horse Liability Insurance an Leases
Re: fencing for mare and foal
Re: West Coast Riding
Ooops, $1000 saddle NOT synthetic
Re: Synthetic Saddles & General Advice
Stumble Bum
Re: Advice Needed on Jumping
Re: fencing for mare and foal
please add me to the distribution list
Re: West Coast Riding
Moving our horse to San Francisco, need help !!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: 22 Feb 88 01:14:10 GMT
From: [email protected] (Tracy Gust)
Organization: Univ. of Ky
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Advice Needed on Jumping
I need a little advice on jumping an older horse. First, I will give
some background information on him : His name is Jon, and he is
approximately 17 years old. He is about 15.2 hands and has a very
sweet disposition. He stays on a 10 acre private farm with one other
horse and is ridden soley by me. (i am not the owner) I have taken
several private lessons in jumping and have taken a jumping program
offered at a nearby park. After completing these lessons, I started
taking Jon over a few jumps. He has had no prior training whatsoever,
so we are both novices. What worries me is this : Is he too old to
jump? am I doing him more harm than good by jumping him every week?
The highest he has jumped is a little over 2 ft. He is a very
energetic and healthy horse who doesn't mind the extra work. Any
suggestions or advice would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks in advance.
Tracy
--
Paul J. Linton UUCP: cbosgd!ukma!ukecc!linton or cbosgd!ukma!pjl
CSNET: [email protected] or [email protected]
BITNET: cn0001pl@UKCC or pjl@UKMA or cn.paul@UKPR
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From: Ania O'Brien <obrien%[email protected]>
Date: 22 Feb 88 09:57
Subject: RE:saddle question
I have recently (last October) bought a new Keiffer saddle after looking
for a year. I am also from the Boston area and I also considered buying
a used saddle. Unfortunately I never saw anything that was priced
low enough and was in good condition. I do not know what kind of
a saddle you are looking for and I do know that some Keiffer saddles
are very expensive. I bought an all-purpose dressage, new, for $700
at State Line Tack. It is the most comfortable saddle I ever sat in
and really have not had any problems with it becausde it is not
broken in. I had more problems breaking in the saddle pad which
was so slippery that during one lesson I ended up riding on the
side of the horse (in spite of my teacher tightening the girth
several times). Anyway, good luck. Ania
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Date: 22 Feb 88 15:00:57 GMT
From: [email protected] (Joel B Levin)
Organization: BBN Communications Corporation
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: stumblebum
In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Herbert Kanner) writes:
: . . .
:Now, here is the problem with this horse, who otherwise is more sure
:footed than most. About once a year, she decides to fall for no
:apparent reason. Until today, it has always been from a walk, has
:always been on a long rein. It is as if she decided to fall asleep
:while walking. It has also always been on a perfectly smooth dirt
:road. . . .
This may be a bit off the wall, but I had an experience with my first
horse, who was very new to being ridden after some years in harness
(we believe). He fell with me twice at canter and once at walk in the
(outdoor) ring - some rocky, some sandy, some uneven. After the third
time, I noticed that this was happening about every two months or so.
We shortened his interval between shoeing from eight to six weeks and
he never fell with me again without good reason (really crusty snow
for instance). So ... how long were her feet when she fell?
/JBL
UUCP: {harvard, husc6, etc.}!bbn!levin
ARPA: [email protected]
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Date: 22 Feb 88 22:23:25 GMT
From: Gale Snow <[email protected]>
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: fencing for mare and foal
my mare is expecting to foal early in april. her stall is perfect for
foaling, it's her paddock that i'm worried about. her paddock is enclosed
with piped fencing but needs to be reinforced with some kind of chicken
wire fencing from the ground up to insure that the foal doesn't roll under
it and get separated from mom. this additional fencing needs to be strong,
safe, and fine meshed so a small foot can't get caught up in it.
any recommendations?
thanks for all suggestions,
gale snow
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Date: 22 Feb 88 21:42:56 GMT
From: Gale Snow <[email protected]>
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: stumblebum
>>Herbert Kanner writes:
>>Now, here is the problem with this horse, who otherwise is more sure
>>footed than most. About once a year, she decides to fall for no
>>apparent reason.
>Joel B Levin responds:
>We shortened his interval between shoeing from eight to six weeks and
>he never fell with me again without good reason (really crusty snow
>for instance). So ... how long were her feet when she fell?
this is good advice! a friend of mine was going to give her horse
away as he had a tendency to stumble often. as a last resort she
had her horseshoer check the horse's feet and shoeing. now with shoes
that are closed at the heel (i believe the shoes are oval in shape
rather than bar shoes) the problem has completely disappeared
and my friend has happily decided to keep her horse after all.
discuss your problem with your horseshoer - there may be a
solution yet!
gale snow
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Date: 22 Feb 88 19:10:47 GMT
From: [email protected] (ClerLJ)
Organization: AT&T, Denver, CO
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Horse Liability Insurance an Leases
>>>....does there exist liability insurance to protect me against
>>>actions of my horse?
>>
>>[Deleted stuff about home-owners insurance protection]
>
>[Deleted stuff about waiver of liability for horse leasing]
>
>Also, though it is always wise to protect oneself from possible lawsuits,
>consider whether you would really want to lease your horse to someone
>you don't trust not to sue you.
Please, please, take the above advice with a large grain of salt.
I wouldn't want to lease my personal horse to someone I don't trust
not to sue me. That is just a statement about the character of the
person and hence a (partial) measure of the care the person is likely
to provide for the leased horse. But just because the person wouldn't
want to sue me doesn't mean that they might not be forced into it, or
that their heirs might not sue me.
For example your "friend" leases your horse, falls off, is seriously
injured or worse. Your friend wouldn't think of sueing you, but the
insurance company says, either bring suit or we won't pay. If your
"friend" prevails, the insurance company only has legal costs, perhaps
not even these if you have to pay. Otherwise, they pay your "friend"'s
costs plus the legal fees. In our litigious society, it's a good risk
on the part of the insurance company.
In the second scenario, your "friend" is killed or brain dead or ....
Your "friend"'s spouse needs to care for, support, etc., their
children. The spouse is backed into a corner, and may have to sue.
Again, suppose that your "friend" allows a third party to ride the
horse (obviously, some leases specifically exclude this). Again,
assume the worst case and the third party is injured. This time though,
the third party brings suit against you & your "friend", (or perhaps
just your "friend"). Your "friend" may again be forced into sueing
you.
Lastly, consider an unrelated third party. This person is merely
watching when your horse runs over the third party. The third party,
if injured sufficiently, may bring suit against you and your "friend",
regardless of whether your "friend" or the horse is at fault.
I'm not trying to make a mountain out of molehill, but in our
litigious society, one has to consider the downside risks when
deciding whether or not to purchase additional insurance. In
addition, if you have insurance coverage, the insurance company often
will provide legal representation in the event you are sued. This
alone may be worth purchasing the insurance.
In the lease agreement, I would have provisions for a waiver of
liablity, with a hold harmless clause (means if while your "friend" is
leasing your horse and a third party is injured, your "friend" is
entirely, and solely responsible). You can sometimes alleviate part
of the problem by having your "friend" provide proof of insurance
coverage.
If you have nothing a risk (which only covers students on the net:-),
you don't need to worry about insurance. But by having access to this
network, most of us work for someone who pays us enough to have
something at risk. (maybe not enough, but it is still at risk in a
suit:-).
Larry Cler
ihnp4!drutx!ljc
PS Standard disclaimor, not a lawyer, etc.
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Date: 23 Feb 88 14:03:51 GMT
From: [email protected] (Joel B Levin)
Organization: BBN Communications Corporation
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: fencing for mare and foal
In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Gale Snow) writes:
:
:my mare is expecting to foal early in april. her stall is perfect for
:foaling, it's her paddock that i'm worried about. her paddock is enclosed
:with piped fencing but needs to be reinforced with some kind of chicken
:wire fencing from the ground up to insure that the foal doesn't roll under
:it and get separated from mom. this additional fencing needs to be strong,
:safe, and fine meshed so a small foot can't get caught up in it.
:any recommendations?
There is some stuff I have heard called "horse block fencing" ... this
refers to a rectangular grid wire fence which is much stronger than
chicken wire, comes in rolls 3 or 4 feet wide, and with different
spacing between strands of wire. It is not incredibly expensive.
Check in the bowels of the big fat Sears catalog for examples of
different kinds of this stuff to get an idea of cost, sizes of
grating, uses, and so forth (they show stuff listed as being for
sheep, horses, cattle, general purpose, etc). I have no idea if their
prices are particularly good, but you'll get the general idea. The
usual disclaimers apply.
G'luck / JBL
UUCP: {harvard, husc6, etc.}!bbn!levin
ARPA: [email protected]
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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 88 15:13:57 PST
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: West Coast Riding
In answer to rental stables in the Bay Area, I know of two right
off hand. One is Las Trampas Stables (guided rides) on Bollinger Canyon
Rd. in San Ramon ((415) 838-7546). The rides go into Las Trampas Regional
Park and can include Tao House under certain conditions. I've never been
out with them, but looked into rentals last year. They're still there,
but call to find out anything further.
The other is called (I think) the Pack Station. Out the end of
North Gate Rd. in Walnut Creek. They are located just outside the North
Gate entrance to Mt. Diablo State Park, and their rides (again guided)
take you through some of the prettiest parts of the park (not that I've
ridden with them, I've hiked most of the area they cover, and it's
gorgeous). I haven't found the phone number...my directory is two years
old...but 411 should be able to give you some info, or, if you're out
that way, it's just below the Arabian barn on the left side of the road
as you approach the park gate.
Both places have LOADS of trails, and, especially this time of
year, both are beautiful. Good luck!!
Sto lat;
Chip
,,
*** SOLIDARNOSC ***
Chip Kozy (415) 939-2400 @ Varian 2700 Mitchell Dr. Walnut Creek, Cal. 94598
...!ptsfa!varian!vaxwaller!chip
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Date: 24 Feb 88 23:02:37 GMT
From: [email protected] (eMeL)
Organization: Los Alamos Natl. Labs, Los Alamos, NM
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Ooops, $1000 saddle NOT synthetic
Earlier in the synthetic saddle discussion, I mentioned that
my 2 friends had ordered/bought a $1000 synthetic saddle that
was custom made. I found out since that these saddles are *not*
made of synthetic materials, but out of high quality bridle
leather. They are endurance saddles made of "Orthoflex" which
is extremely comfortable for both horse and rider.
Sorry for being misleading!
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Date: 23 Feb 88 17:21:27 GMT
From: [email protected] (Wendy Milner)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Ft. Collins CO
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Synthetic Saddles & General Advice
I am the one who mentioned the edurance riders using
the synthetic saddles.
The brand of the saddles is Wintec (might be spelled wrong).
They sell for around $275. They are imported from
Austraila by Millers Harness in NY. Most tack stores
should be able to get the saddle for you.
Wendy
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Date: 23 Feb 88 18:50:35 GMT
From: [email protected] (Deitrick)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories - Naperville, Illinois
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Stumble Bum
If your horse were stumbling once or twice every time you rode him, then I'd
look for a conformation or shoeing problem or for evidence that the horse had
been nerved.
It sounds like the horse stumbles when he's relaxed or tired, but since
there's no pattern to it, there really isn't much you can do about it.
The only thing I can suggest is to always make the horse walk with a purpose.
That should make him aware of his feet.
Carl Deitrick
ihnp4!ihuxv!cbd
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Date: 23 Feb 88 14:05:45 GMT
From: [email protected] (Suzanne Thebaut)
Organization: Infinet, Inc. North Andover, MA
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Advice Needed on Jumping
In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Tracy Gust) writes:
>I need a little advice on jumping an older horse.
>His name is Jon, and he is approximately 17 years old.
>He has had no prior training whatsoever,
>so we are both novices. What worries me is this : Is he too old to
>jump? am I doing him more harm than good by jumping him every week?
>The highest he has jumped is a little over 2 ft. He is a very
>energetic and healthy horse who doesn't mind the extra work. Any
>suggestions or advice would be greatly appreciated!
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>Tracy
You're welcome in advance! I see no problem with jumping good ole' Jon.
We have a horse at my stable that is well over 20 years old, and he is one of
the fittest horses there. This can be attributed to the fact that the girl
who rides him does so very *regularly*. As far as jumping goes, this horse
will jump anything and events throughout the summer (successfully, too!).
As long as your Jon is sound and happy, jumping him should be fine. Just be
consistent about it. As with a horse of any age, the training/workout
program you give him should be intelligent and safe.. Don't ask for too much
too soon. It sounds like you are already thinking about that. The real
difference between an old horse and a young horse is the ease with which the
animal can be brought back into a fit condition. Younger horses bounce back
from a period of inactivity much more quickly and painlessly. Older horses
(as with older people, I suppose :>) take longer to get those old muscles and
joints strong and supple. Good luck to you and Jon.
--Suz.
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Date: 23 Feb 88 19:40:50 GMT
From: [email protected] (FRYSINGER)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: fencing for mare and foal
In article <[email protected]>, gale%[email protected] (Gale Snow) writes:
>
> this additional fencing needs to be strong,
> safe, and fine meshed so a small foot can't get caught up in it.
> any recommendations?
Don't use chicken wire - it's very light and flexible, and I doubt it
will keep a foal from rolling under. Instead, I recommend woven
wire "farm fencing" (available from Sears or nearly any farm or fence
supply). This stuff can be had in various dimensions, but I would go for
4' height (since you're going to the trouble to put it up, might as
well make it high enough to serve various types of livestock).
It has vertical wires at constant spacing (6 or 12"), and the
horizontal wires are graduated, beginning at around 2" at the ground
level and ending up at about 6 or 8". It comes in 330' rolls and
should cost around $70 per roll as I remember. We use it for sheep (it
keeps lambs in and dogs out), and it can handle a 170# ewe leaning
up against it. A shorter variation on the same theme is called
"rabbit fencing", which we use around our garden (to keep the rabbits
out) and the hutch (to keep the rabbit in).
By the way, the concern you cite is real. A year or so ago I visited
our local living history farm at lunch time, and found no one around.
When I got to the sheep pen, I found a ewe licking a lamb she had just
dropped, and then saw another lamb that had rolled down hill under the
split rail fence - the ewe was bleating but couldn't get to him, and
he couldn't stand up yet, having just been dropped himself! When I
put him up, she accepted him, and he ended up alright. If no one had
happened by he would have chilled to death very quickly. I don't
know if this happens to foals, but after that experience I'd play
it safe.
Steve Frysinger
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 88 16:27 EST
From: Sue Ellen Cline <IVX%[email protected]>
Subject: please add me to the distribution list
Hi!
I just heard about this horse list from a friend. Please add me to the
distribution list. Thanks.
I have 4 Arabs; 2 geldings and 2 mares. I would like to breed one of the
mares again but I have to sell somebody first...pasture space limitations.
They are really just pets, I don't show them but I love having them around.
And when I am sick or injured, my wonderful husband consents to feed them,
otherwise he ignores them. (Yes, I did fall off...the horse went 180
degrees and I just went 120! Wrecked my knee, but my hardhat didn't get a
scratch!)
I do have a need...I am researching the geneology of my horses and there is
a branch off to spanish arabs; if anyone had access to the Spanish Arabian
Studbooks, I would appreciate you letting me know. Thanks. Other lines
have been traced back to desert bred horses and nomads in the early 1800's.
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Date: 24 Feb 88 18:15:16 GMT
From: [email protected] (Pete Bellas)
Organization: Citicorp/TTI, Santa Monica
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: West Coast Riding
In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Dave Schoen) writes:
> But all I seem to see are east coaster's. This is not a problem, how-
>ever if there are no west coaster's (esp central CA) then I will not put
>stuff in here that would pertain only to the west coast.
I'm here but up to now a lot of the discussion has been about boarding and
boarding facilties so I haven't gotten involved. The Angeles National Forest
is about a mile from my house so that's where most of my riding is done, it
really is nice to saddle them up in the back yard and ride out :-).
When we do trailer we like to go for several days. Some of the places we
have traveled to and enjoyed are:
Montana De Oro State Park
(Morro Bay)
Two group camps with a half a dozen wood corrals each. Facilities
are fair, trails good and beach riding excellent.
Hart Bar State Park
(Close to Big Bear Lake)
Large group camp with 50+ pipe corrals. Half a dozen individual
campsites with no corrals only tie stalls. Facilities are good,
trails are good but not extensive. Great place to beat the summer
heat.
Rancho Cuyamaca State Park
(Julian near San Diego)
Large group camp with 50+ pipe corrals. Two dozen individual
campsites with two to four pipe corrals each. Facilities are
excellent (hot showers!), trails are extensive (100+ miles),
well marked and have water troughs, tie rails and picnic tables
at frequent points. The best planed and executed equestrian park
we have encountered.
Lightning Point
(Angeles Forest)
Large group camp with 24 pipe corrals. No facilities but they
will provide a water tank on request, good trails (on the Pacific
Crest Trail) but not extensive.
Boulder Creek
(Sequoia National Forest)
Four sites with a pair of wooden corrals each. No facilities
except water and potties, trails are good (but much is on hard
granite), scenery is excellent.
Upper Oso
(Near Santa Barbara)
Twelve sites with one large pipe corral each. Good facilites,
fair to good trails (but not for the faint of heart!!!).
These are all I can remember off hand. I would be interested in knowing
if there are any others you west coasters like as we are always looking
for new places to take our horses. Enjoy.
-Pete-
--
* Pete Bellas "Cogito ergo spud" *
* Citicorp/TTI I think therefor I yam. *
* Santa Monica, CA *
* Path:{trwrb|philabs|csun|psivax}!ttidca!bellas or [email protected] *
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Date: 25 Feb 88 15:33:49 GMT
From: [email protected] (00704a-Churm)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories - Naperville, Illinois
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Moving our horse to San Francisco, need help !!
A friend of mine will be relocating to the San Francisco area
next month and has to move her horse from our barn here in Chicago
to San Francisco.
We would appreciate any recommendations on methods of moving
a horse cross country and pointers to companies who do such a thing.
Also, any suggestions on barns (pro or con) in the S.F. area would be
appreciated as she is also looking for one. Needles, the horse, is
a hunter/jumper and we are looking for a barn which has training in
that area.
Much thanks in advance for any information.
Brian Churm
ihnp4!ihuxy!churm
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End of Equestrian Digest
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| 77.55 | Equestrian Digest Issue #81 | LDP::BELANGER | KA1RML watching 145.090 | Thu Mar 10 1988 15:20 | 497 |
| Equestrian Digest Wed 9 Mar 1988 Issue 81
Today's Topics:
Re: fencing for mare and foal
Re: West Coast Riding
Wintec synthetic saddles
Moonblindness, leptospirosis, etc.
Practical Horseman, March 1988
Equus, March 1988
Welsh Ponies
Fencing Suggestion for Mare and Foal
Icelandic Ponies
Welsh Mountain Pony for draught work?
Re: Advice Needed on Jumping
Re: Welsh Ponies
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Date: 1 Mar 88 02:16:23 GMT
From: [email protected] (Dave Schoen)
Organization: HP Information Networks, Cupertino, CA
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: fencing for mare and foal
Howdy,
Call me over cautious, but I am very wary of any wire fence that has
holes in it that a horse or foal can (even with abuse) get a foot thru.
I have seen a horse, minus a hoof, that had stuck its foot in a 4"x4"
wire mesh... not a pretty sight. I would go with a 3/4" wire mesh. They
can be had at any large hardware store. On the West Coast, this sort of
fence is carried by Orchard Supply Hardware, Home Club, Home DePot, etc.
dks
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Date: 1 Mar 88 03:04:41 GMT
From: [email protected] (Dave Schoen)
Organization: HP Information Networks, Cupertino, CA
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: West Coast Riding
Howdy,
> I'm here but up to now a lot of the discussion has been about boarding and
> boarding facilties so I haven't gotten involved. The Angeles National Forest
> is about a mile from my house so that's where most of my riding is done, it
> really is nice to saddle them up in the back yard and ride out :-).
We live in the Santa Cruz Mnts above the South Bay Area (San Jose) near
several parks. In fact we are surounded by parks. From my door step I
can ride (on trails) to the Pacific O.; about 35 miles away. Plus a whole
bunch of other areas. There are alot places to ride, but unfortunatly there
are not alot of facilities. Finding water, esp in the summer, can be a
problem on long trail rides (which I love). I only know of one located near
the ocean in Big Basin State Park.
> These are all I can remember off hand. I would be interested in knowing
> if there are any others you west coasters like as we are always looking
> for new places to take our horses. Enjoy.
I am! I am!... Now if I just had a trailer. Its on my list of things to
buy. In mean time I am making a list of places to go. Know of any w/in
a few hours (<= about 6) of the BA?
dks
------------------------------
From: [email protected]
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 88 07:15:58 CST
Subject: Wintec synthetic saddles
Here is yet another view on the synthetic saddle discussion. We have
seriously been considering buying a Wintec all-purpose saddle for John
to use in competition. The barn where he takes lessons has a dressage
and CT instructor who uses no other type of saddle and recommends the
Wintec saddles for his students. The instructor, a Frenchman, trained
at Saumer and was once short-listed for the Oylmpics. The barn owner
(her husband is a corporate CEO and she can afford to buy what she wants)
also rides in a Wintec both at home and in dressage and CT competition.
Granted, the competition is Novice through second level dressage and only
up to preliminary in CT, but how many Equestrian Digest readers are soon
to compete at higher levels?
The Wintec saddles, at least the black and brown ones, look perfectly
reasonable at a competition. We've seen them used locally this past
year, and on expensive warmbloods as well as pony club backyard pets.
I also wondered about durability, but the French instructor is riding
several hours a day on various warmbloods, thoroughbreds and similarly
spirited horses, many of them the very green sort who can put a real
strain on tack. His saddle still looks decent.
The leatherworker at my local tack shop pulled a Wintec apart to show me
the tree of it. It was her opinion that this saddle was exceptionally
well designed for a modestly priced item. She also showed me how one
could bend the fork of this saddle to accommodate different horse shapes
(I wouldn't try that very often, but its nice to have some possibility
of adjustment.) Her major complaint was the need for special girth and
stirrup leathers. One warning about Wintecs, they run big. Riders who
need an 18" or 19" saddle (a large size in huntseat saddles) will find
that a 17 and 1/2" Wintec is probably large enough. So don't buy one
mail order until you sit in one at a shop to see what size you really
do need. Sorry, I can't comment about Ulsters, the local community
seems oblivious to them and I've seen none.
Robin Crickman ...ihnp4!bungia!foundln!robin
------------------------------
From: [email protected]
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 88 07:16:22 CST
Subject: Moonblindness, leptospirosis, etc.
Mary Kafura warns us that moonblindness may be caused by leptospirosis
in horses. John and I have had direct experience with lepto last
summer, and you need to know that it can be contracted by horses who
are not pastured near cattle.
The Merck Veterinary Manual (sixth edition, best $20 we ever spent on
horse health) says about Leptospirosis that it is"a contagious disease
of animals, including MAN, due to infection with various leptospiral
organisms...Following acute infection, leptospires frequently localize
in the kidneys and are shed in the urine, sometimes in large numbers
for MONTHS OR YEARS. Leptospirosis is essentially a water-borne
disease; the organisms survive in surface water for extended periods."
Our experience was with John's horse Toncho. He seemed depressed one
day last summer and had a high temperature. The vet initially thought
he had a flu and gave him penicillin. His fever went down and then
back up a couple days later. The vet pulled a blood sample and sent
it to the local university vet school for testing. When everything
else was negative, he asked a cattle researcher to test for lepto.
Bingo. He then administered Combiotic and the disease promptly retreated.
Seems that these mean lepto bacteria survive in the kidneys when
penicillin is present in the blood and make the horse ill again after
the penicillin is gone. Combiotic passes into the kidneys (as
penicillin does not) and wipes these bacteria out.
There were no cattle in the pastures with Toncho, not even in adjacent
pastures. The vet thought the horse caught the disease from drinking from
a stream that flows through the pasture. As the Merck manual suggests,
these bacteria can persist for years, so no environment is safe. Cure
was fairly prompt and easy for Toncho, but diagnosis wasn't. If you see
a fevered horse whose fever goes down and then back up after receiving
penicillin, it may indicate lepto. By the bye, we gave both our horses
the cattle immunization against this disease. It is not intended for
horses, but it is some protection.
Mary also added in her posting:
>Thanks for listening. I am sorry if I tend to ramble on, but I am crazy about
>horses and will talk non-stop given the slightest encouragement!
I hope this constitutes encouragement, I learn a great deal from this
discussion and it is always shorter than I'd like. I suspect plenty of
us are at least a little "crazy about horses and will talk non-stop" about
them. This is one place where nobody can get bored when we do. First,
people reading this are INTERESTED in horses. Second, it you really do
ramble (which I doubt), there is always the electronic possibility of
going on to the next item. So, do please post or mail. Winter is getting
long up here in Minnesota and on the days when it is too cold to ride my
horse, I can at least read about them.
Robin Crickman ...ihnp4!bungia!foundln!robin
------------------------------
From: [email protected]
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 88 01:24:00 CST
Subject: Practical Horseman, March 1988
Here is another magazine table of contents. Statements in [ ] are my
additions. Feel free to send queries if you want to know more about a
particular listed item, I'll try to assist.
Robin Crickman, [email protected]
Practical Horseman (Volume 16, number 3) March 1988
FEATURES
Lendon Gray. Grand Prix By Mistake. With an open mind and a willingness
to try anything, this international dressage competitor turned handicaps
to advantages and rose to the top of her sport.
Choosing A Boarding Stable: The Confidence Game. How a stable seems on
first visit and what it turns out to be after your horse moves in are sometimes
far apart. Here's a guide to narrowing that misunderstanding gap. [Fascinating
item, if only for the luxury of some accomodations described.]
Stalking The Stolen Horse. Let's hope it never happens to you....but if it
does, here's a plan of action that worked for one horse-theft victim. [Worth
looking at, especially if your horse group could use a community service
project.]
Stable Skills. How to Bandage A Hock. Once you've learned to wrap a hock,
you'll have not just a useful first-aid measure but also a means of sweating
away unsightly lumps and bumps.
Step-By-Step. Conditioning Your Horse. Whatever your horse's line of
work, this four-part series will provide you with a safe, efficient program
for bringing him to his physical peak. Part Two (continued): Larry Jenkins--
Preparing Show Horses.
DEPARTMENTS
Confirmation Clinic with Champ Hough [three quarter horses]
Saddle Ways and Bridle Whys. Coach Geoff Teall suggests causes and cures
for a bucking habit; Grooming To Win author Susan Harris on developing
a healthy tail; western trainer Charlie Hutton with a method for executing
flawless circles.
Forum. What arrangements do you make with your working students? Insights
on apprenticeship positions from winning trainers Karen Reuter, Judy Richter,
and Clark Bradley.
Idea Exchange [Attach plastic cover on horse blanket to keep it dry; mix
oil soap and neatsfoot oil in spray bottle for tack cleaning; use empty
plastic gallon milk jugs filled with sand for dressage markers.]
What Do You Do? Your horse won't get on a trailer.
Jumping Clinic with George Morris [regular feature wherein Morris criticizes
riders from photographs they send in]
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From: [email protected]
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 88 01:23:46 CST
Subject: Equus, March 1988
Here is another magazine table of contents. Statements in [ ] are my
additions. Feel free to send queries if you want to know more about a
particular listed item, I'll try to assist.
Robin Crickman, ...caip!meccts!foundln!robin
EQUUS, (number 125) March 1988
The Ring Of Muscles. Unique structure transforms the horse's "passive
platform" into a dynamic torso, allowing him to carry a rider.
[text and illustrations by Deb Bennet]
"I'm Out To Get Your Horse". An inside look at the life and times of the
virus responsible for equine flu.
Which Bit's For You? Finding three-part harmony between the bit, your
horse's mouth and your hands.
Steeplechase Revival. A classic timber race of 60 years' renown, the Virginia
Gold Cup finds a new home and helps define the future of a sport that's
growing by leaps and bounds.
Lab Tests: When And Why? Knowing what to expect when you invest in today's
diagnostic options can keep your horse and your budget healthy.
Lucky To Be Alive. After a disastrous trailer wreck, problems continue
to plague an event horse.
The File, a roundup of news and views that matter to the horse world.
African horse sickness. As this deadly disease spreads to Spain, experts
ponder how long it will be before it arrives on North American shores.
Twice in a blue moon. Scientific tests prove that mule maternity is
no hoax. [Mule produces two colts after breeding with donkey, producing
what John asserts are the world's first true quarter horses (and answering
the age-old question, 'What's the other 3/4?')]
Ride and tie earns independence. New association takes over reins from
corporate progenitor Levi Strauss.
On the brink of extinction. Tracing the roots of the Bashkir Curly
will aid conservation efforts.
Equestrian Einsteins. Mensa members involved with horses represent
a brainy yet down-to-earth breed.
Haven for retired horses. Century-old Pennsylvania facility gives deserving
equines a place to hang up their shoes.
EQUUS Consultants is a monthly feature in which selected experts from across
the country respond to questions raised by readers.
Alternative method for mending toe cracks.[What a farrier can do to
spare the horse having to take a year off from work]
Uphill pain may stem from back pain.
Mystery mold on Gulf-grown hay.[Mold on Bermuda grass hay is harmless]
To nerve or not to nerve? [Relieving navicular disease]
Hands On represents a summary of current good practice in horsekeeping.
Signs of sickness. [Simple techniques for evaluating horse's health.]
Maintaining manes and tails. [Peanut butter to remove tangles?]
How to clean a wound.
What about water [Horses need one gallon per hundred pounds of body
weight on average. Hard water seldom bothers horses.]
Spring deworming strategies.[Risk from worms is greatest about one week
after grass pushes up. Ivermectin is suggested for that time.]
Industry Watch
Fencing to go. [Centaur is offering to lease fences.]
Adopt-a-seminar in Washington State. [Horse groups work with state's
Department of Agriculture to plan and produce programs.]
Setting a standard for farrier service. [American Farrier's Association
wants horse owners to deal with farriers it has certified.]
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Date: 3 Mar 88 14:58:03 GMT
From: [email protected] (susans)
Organization: Consumer Financial Institute, Waltham, Mass.
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Welsh Ponies
In reply to John Frysinger (spelling? sorry!!) RE Welsh Ponies and
draft work:
The Welsh pony, as John indicated, was originally a mountain creature.
I have read that a pony (or horse) is capable of carrying on its back
at least half its body weight -- so your basic 800 pound pony (or whatever
it weighed) could easily haul around 400 pounds. Now, I've never seen
a 400 pounder riding a pony, but maybe dead weight is different.
The Welsh pony is much more "horse-like" than the Shetland, and more
even tempered. It is also taller. The Shetland may be the "pit-bull"
of the ponies, being famous for its less-than-even temperment, whereas
the Welsh pony is the pony of choice for showing, hunting, and those
who can afford it as a pet, as its relative cost is higher.
I would say that it would be a valuable tool for the light hauling John
describes. They are excellent cart ponies, and if properly trained there
should be no reason you could not ask it to "earn its keep," although if
your children are like I was, it will be too tired from being ridden to
work for you as well!!
--
Susan Scheide
Another friend of Bill's
"I am responsible..."
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From: [email protected]
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 88 01:31:49 CST
Subject: Fencing Suggestion for Mare and Foal
Gale Snow asked for some suggestions on how to fence the paddock for
mer mare who is soon to foal. There was an article in the September 1987
issue of Practical Horseman called "High-tech fencing" which deals with
a number of possibilities. She may want to check that out.
One fencing which we are seeing used frequently here in Minnesota is
Tensar Fencing. It comes in bright orange and black colors and it is
a plastic mesh. The safety fencing would work well, a roll 4 foot
high and 100 feet long sells for about $80 here. If you cut it to 2
foot high and put it on the bottom of your paddock, it would cover at
$.40 per linear foot (assuming you have posts you can attach it to).
It is very light weight and has no sharp edges; it seems plenty strong
enough. Its just about replaced chain link fence at construction sites
in our region, probably because the light weight makes it a lot easier
to install and transport.
Robin Crickman [email protected]
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Date: 2 Mar 88 21:50:43 GMT
From: [email protected] (Donna Griffiths)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Icelandic Ponies
I know this may sound obscure but you might want to consider an
Icelandic pony. Icelandic ponies have been bred in Iceland for centuries,
they're easy keepers, gentle(in general), approx. 10-13 hands tall,
strong(they can easily carry a full size man for miles) and they are
available in America and Canada from several breeders. I lived in Iceland
for 4 years and got to know these tough little ponies. One more feature:
Icelandic ponies are naturally five gaited and are very easy to ride. They
have a running walk (like a tennessee walker) called a "tolt". I don't mean
to sound like a salesman but these ponies are really neat. They are used
in Europe and Iceland for "pony trekking" and in Iceland they are also used
for miscellaneous farm work. I know that I have seen them advertised in the
backs of some horse magazines.
Good Luck,
Donna
P.S
There is probably a Pony Club chapter near you that could also help.
It is a great club for kids, too.
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Date: 29 Feb 88 14:57:15 GMT
From: [email protected] (FRYSINGER)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Welsh Mountain Pony for draught work?
Hi gang! My wife and I have been considering the possibility of
getting a pony for our kids in a year or two, and I've been thinking
of ways in which it could earn its keep.
I'm interested in learning about draft horses, but don't have enough
land to support a full-sized team, so we were thinking about breeds
like the Welsh Mountain Pony which would be small enough for the kids
to ride, gentle and even tempered, and up to harness work.
Does anyone on the net have experience with these ponies (or others
in the 10-12 hand range) under harness? I don't imagine plowing,
but would be interested in such "light" chores as hay mowing/raking,
harrowing, and cart/wagon pulling. Is this reasonable? What are
the safe limits of what such ponies can do?
Thanks much!
Steve Frysinger
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Date: 2 Mar 88 19:29:20 GMT
From: [email protected]
Organization: The Pennsylvania State University - Computation Center
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Advice Needed on Jumping
>I guess my point is, have fun but be careful, both for yourself and for
>our horse. Be sure not to overdo things; if he does what you ask, don't
>ear him out or bore him or sour him by too much repetition. Wear a hard hat;
>f you find yourself really getting into jumping, find yourself a good local
>rainer who can come out to where your horse lives and give you (at least
>ccasional) lessons. The lessons might seem expensive, but you and
>our horse should learn faster and more safely from them.
For jumping (or any equestrian activity), I would urge people to use
a Pony Club Approved HELMET, not a hard hat. I have a friend who endured
epileptic seizures for years and had to undergo brain surgery, due to a
fall she took while foxhunting. She was wearing a hard hat.
State Line Tack in New Hampshire sells PC approved Pacesetter helmets
for about $25.00. (They were on sale recently for about $22.00). I have
had mine for about two years, and it has held up well.
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Date: 8 Mar 88 15:03:32 GMT
From: [email protected] (Jennifer Moore)
Organization: Theory Center, Cornell U., Ithaca NY
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Welsh Ponies
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (susans) writes:
>
> The Welsh pony, as John indicated, was originally a mountain creature.
> I have read that a pony (or horse) is capable of carrying on its back
> at least half its body weight -- so your basic 800 pound pony (or whatever
> it weighed) could easily haul around 400 pounds. Now, I've never seen
> a 400 pounder riding a pony, but maybe dead weight is different.
>
Do you remember where you read this? I would be *very* interested to
know! Not that I doubt what you say, but rather I'd like to believe it!
I have a Hackney Pony that I've been working under saddle for about a
year now, and it's always been in the back of my mind that I'm really
too heavy for her and should not be riding her.
I wonder, too, if the same criteria would be true for a Hackney Pony,
since they are not descendents of any mountain or moor ponies, but
rather from Hackney Horses (i.e., a Hackney Pony is primarily a
miniature horse, not a pony at all). She is finer boned, and her
metabolism is more like that of a thoroughbred than of a typical pony.
Does it follow that I should not expect her to carry the weight that
a typical pony could?
By the way, my pony is for sale. If anyone would like more information
on her, I'd be happy to forward it through e-mail.
Jennifer Moore
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
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End of Equestrian Digest
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| Equestrian Digest Tue 15 Mar 1988 Issue 82
Today's Topics:
Introduction
Ponies in harness.
Gray's Custom Saddlery, CA
Re: Fences
Re: Fences
Fences
A pickup for a 2-horse trailer: a question
re: lawsuits and fences
Re: Fences
Re: Fences
Re: Fences
Fences
Rare and Out-of-Print Horse and Farm Books
Re: Ponies in harness.
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Date: Thu, 10 Mar 88 11:07:25 CST
From: Don Hayes <A01DLH1%[email protected]>
Subject: Introduction
Hi Horse Lovers,
I have, at present, only 2 horses. They are both trained for rideing and
driveing. We have a driving club here in Northern IL which I have been
involved in since it was formed in 1974. I participate with my team and
wagon in most of our summer club sponsered outings. These are held April
thru Sept or Oct and are usually hosted by a member family at their home.
We drive for about 10 to 12 miles (2 hrs), have a potluck dinner, and
usually a short meeting. We also particapate in several Parades in our area
each year.
If you are interested in learning more about our club, you could send me
mail direct at: [email protected].
If you are close enough, we welcome new members and/or guests. Most of our
activities are in an area about 20 miles south of Rockford IL.
Don Hayes
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Date: Thu, 10 Mar 88 13:51:27 CST
From: Don Hayes <A01DLH1%[email protected]>
Subject: Ponies in harness.
As a member of a driveing club, I have seen many wagons with several
people in them pulled by a pair of small horses or ponies. These are
all breeds of pony (mostly some undefined cross) and range from 8 or 9
to 14 or 15 hands. Fine boned and heavy all participate the same in
our regular 10 to 12 mile drives which take about 2 hrs. The animals
which have the most problems are the ones which stand in a stall and
do not get regular exercise.
I am not an expert and don't remember the ratio, but remember, an
animal can pull much more than they can carry. The fine boned 10 hand
pony which your child rides should easily pull a 2 wheel cart with
Mom and Pop joining the child on the cart. How far you travel is
dependant on the condition of the animal and how well maintained
the vehical is.
Don Hayes
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Date: 10 Mar 88 02:26:58 GMT
From: [email protected] (Dave Schoen)
Organization: HP Information Networks, Cupertino, CA
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Gray's Custom Saddlery, CA
Howdy,
Need some custom work done? It may not cost as much as you think, and
you will get what you want; rather than what the store sells.
Try Gray's Custom Saddlery. He builds saddles, all tack, custom belts,
bags, chaps and holsters. He also repairs english and western tack.
John has built me a saddle ( I am *very* please with it ) and has rebuilt
a used saddle; plus a few other smaller items.
He is located in Livermore, CA. 415/447-2887
One small caution... His middle name is not `fast'. He often takes a
bit of prodding, but he does good work.
dks
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Date: 12 Mar 88 19:53:43 GMT
From: [email protected] (Rob Bernardo)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Fences
In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Jean Marie Diaz)
writes:
+I feel a bit uncomfortable with the idea of chain-link
+fence, but can't come up with any logical reasons.
Metal fences are less forgiving than wood
when a horse runs into it. Rather have a broken fence than a broken horse!
Also I could imagine that with age the chain-link part of the fencing could
come loose from the posts, and I could imagine a horse getting it's hoof
stuck between the ground and the bottom of the fence. I can see that if
a hoof is pushed far enough through the bottom, the end points of the
fencing would prevent the hoof from being withdrawn.
--
Rob Bernardo uucp: [backbone]!ptsfa!rob
residence: (415)827-4301 (Concord, CA) business: (415)823-2417 (San Ramon, CA)
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Date: 12 Mar 88 19:04:52 GMT
From: [email protected] (John B. Nagle)
Organization: Stanford University
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Fences
Smooth steel wire fencing requires some special techniques to make it
work with horses. Unless it will be electrified, it has to be made unusually
strong, because the horses will lean against the fence and it will only last
a season, if that. The University of California at Davis has worked out
some techniques for smooth wire fencing that are useful to know.
First, you need high-tensile fence wire, which is available
from U.S. Steel fence suppliers. This is about twice as strong as regular
wire. Second, wherever the fence isn't straight, either use heavy corner posts
or set two ordinary steel posts about 5' apart and tie the top of each to the
bottom of the other with fence wire, thus creating a panel with triangular
cross-bracing. Such a panel must also be inserted every 100' or so in
straight sections.
Finally, there are little ratchet gadgets used to tighten up the fence
wire without weakening it. (The Spanish windlass trick of doubling a section
of wire and putting a stick through it so that the pair can be twisted
throws away half of the wire's tensile strength.) These stay with the
fence; they aren't a tool, but they're simple and cheap, cheaper than
turnbuckles. One is required for each wire in each fence section that needs
to be tightened. The idea is to tighten up the fence until it is tight enough
that you can't pull a wire more than an inch or two out of line with a
strong hand pull anywhere along the fence.
This is an effective and cheap way to fence, and can be seen in
use around U.C. Davis. There's probably an agricultural extension pamphlet
available, and rural fencing dealers may have a brochure.
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Date: 11 Mar 88 23:11:59 GMT
From: [email protected] (Gary Traveis)
Subject: Fences
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
I'm thinking of putting up fencing around my place, and I was thinking
that the fencing I use to ring-in my property line should also be able to be
used for horse pasture land.
So, what does everyone think about -
1) redwood post and boards.
2) chain link fence (nice, because vines like to grow all over it.
3) post and wire (barbed) [not good]
4) any of the above with electric charger.
What do you think??
Gary
(hplabs,allegra,ihnp4,sun,glacier)oliveb!oliven!gnome
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Date: 14 Mar 88 08:21:37 GMT
From: [email protected] (Kyu Lee)
Subject: A pickup for a 2-horse trailer: a question
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
I am currently shopping for a 4WD pickup, preferably used, good enough to
pull a small 2-horse trailer. My question is what is the smallest
engine I can get by with. Is 302 (5.0L) good enough, or should I
limit my search to 350 (5.7L)?
Thanks in advance.
Kyu Lee
[email protected]
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Date: 13 Mar 88 15:57:34 GMT
From: [email protected] (Joyce Andrews)
Organization: AT&T Consumer Products, Indianapolis
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: re: lawsuits and fences
Well, I usually keep my mouth shut, 'cause I'm an old geezer and
I got my horsie experience, and subsequent disillusion, back when
you youngsters were riding horses that had rockers under them.
But I spent a lot of years showing, feeding, doctoring, and
pasturing, and sometimes I just can't keep my mouth shut....
LAWSUITS
I took care of a friend's horse for several years. He was a bit
of a rogue in the barn or trailer but like rocking in your
mother's arms over fences. He was truly a natural...rated
himself, carried himself on his hindquarters...one of those
real naturals. Never got himself or his rider in trouble...hell
of a nice adult hunter. But he was MEAN on the ground, and he
and I had a pact---I wouldn't ask him to do anything he wasn't
really comfortable with and he wouldn't draw my blood. It worked
for a long time. Then, one day, my daughter put him in a stall
so she could work her horse in the pasture. He didn't want to be
in the stall, so he broke 2 x 6 tongue-and-groove oak and took
off for the highway. A car hit him. He had three broken legs
(one was severed...his foot was lying in the road) and I had to
kill him myself to put him out of his misery. We had been
friends, probably closer than his owner and he had been because I
took care of him, and it was a REALLY rough time for me.
Anyway, the people in the car sued me for $110,000, claiming
"severe personal injury" in spite of the fact that they were all
at work the next day. My homeowner's insurance covered "animals
owned by or in the care of" and his owner's insurance was worded
the same way. Her insurance paid, after a long investigation
when the companies decided the horse was the negligent party.
The decision was based on the fact that the stalls in my barn
would hold a horse under normal conditions. Another important
fact was that I did not "board" the horse. My friend compensated
me for my expenses in caring for him, so I was not in the
business of boarding him, although I did board other horses.
Anyway, her insurance company did not want her to talk to me, and
it ruined a VERY close friendship that had lasted 13 years.
That's just one of the reasons I don't have horses anymore.
FENCES
The best fencing I ever used was 4 X 4 posts with 1 x 6
rough-sawn oak boards in exposed areas (where other folks see it)
and rubber fencing in non-exposed areas. Then I always stretched
a VERY THIN (so it will break easily in an emergency) electric
wire along the BOTTOM board, on the inside of the fence. This
keeps them away from the fence along the bottom, where they try
to get the grass on the other side and LEEEEEEEEEEEEAN on the
board, and it also hits their lower legs when they chew on the
top boards. I used a low-power charger. Oh, and never walk a
17.1H hot thoroughbred mare on a longe line along the fence
unless you've turned it off. Don't ask me how I know.
I found rubber fencing GREAT...cheaper than wood, safer than
wood, lasted longer than wood. I used it a lot through wooded
areas. I always used it in conjunction with thin (NOT BARBED)
electric wire. It just isn't very attractive. I used it a lot
in patures where I had foals. They could roll right into it, get
their feet caught in it, and wiggle free with NO injury. It's
the stuff that is left over from making tires. I bought mine
from a rubber fencing company in Akron. They advertised in
Practical Horseman and that new mag EQUUS that came out in those
days with a very pretty first edition that I still have and no,
you can't have it. I used LOTS of it in foaling pastures...I
allowed six inches or less between strands at the bottom so
babies couldn't roll through and get separated from mama.
I don't have horses anymore. I live on a small lot on Key Largo,
in the Florida Keys (I have a telephone hookup to my place of
employment). My backyard is the Atlantic Ocean, not a good
pasture potential. But I enjoy reading your postings. The only
thing that makes me sad is the way horse people still get so taken
up by fads and what the judge wants this week. You guys are going
to wear yourselves out trying to figure out who is the latest
word on navicular or feeding or how to place your toes. Get comfortable.
Get your horse comfortable. Enjoy each other. And don't let
this week's fad interfere with your instincts.
God, I sound like my grandfather.
--
Joyce Andrews King
ihnp4!inuxd!jla
AT&T, Indianapolis
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Date: 13 Mar 88 21:42:00 GMT
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Fences
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
I saw a foal just shred the skin on its legs getting tangled up in a wire
fence. I would never use it if I had a choice.
Wood fences (treated pine boards are cheaper than redwood, just as durable,
and almost as attractive), or "horse fencing" or whatever that rectangular
wire "screen" is called (squares about 5" or so) are better I think.
------------------------------
Date: 14 Mar 88 14:19:21 GMT
From: [email protected] (Moe Bradley)
Organization: Analysis & Technogy's Embedded Computer Group, New London, CT
Subject: Re: Fences
I have answered inquiries about fencing before with the same
answer--try Stud Rail. It is about the same price as a wood
fence, it's easy to put up (my husband and I did all of ours
by ourselves), it is *very* safe, the horses don't bother it
(no chewing, rubbing against it, etc.), requires virtually no
maintenance, and it's attractive. If you don't have a dealer
in your area I'll be happy to get a name and number of one
to you.
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Date: 12 Mar 88 15:41:03 GMT
From: Jean Marie Diaz <[email protected]>
Organization: Madhouse International Technologies
Subject: Re: Fences
In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Gary Traveis)
writes:
>1) redwood post and boards.
Nice, but expensive.
>2) chain link fence (nice, because vines like to grow all over it.
>3) post and wire (barbed) [not good]
The wire (if it isn't barbed) is quite safe. If you use the T-shaped
metal posts, instead of wood, I suggest putting caps on the tops of the
posts, which otherwise are quite sharp. It certainly isn't as
decorative. I feel a bit uncomfortable with the idea of chain-link
fence, but can't come up with any logical reasons.
>4) any of the above with electric charger.
I'd suggest getting the electric charger no matter what you put up.
This is doubly important if it has any wood. Our five horses were ALL
wood chewers, until we wrapped 2 strands of electric fence around every
wooden post in the pasture. They suddenly discovered that the fence was
no fun to play with any more...
AMBAR
[email protected] {backbones}!mit-eddie!ambar
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Date: 14 Mar 88 15:20:21 GMT
From: Sue Watkins <[email protected]>
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill
Subject: Fences
I second the recommendation for high tensile fencing for foals. I
have one small (less than an acre) pasture with 12 strands of high
tensile wire. Looking back 12 strands is over kill but I had considered
getting goats again and I wanted the goats to be protected. We had
two guys from Maryland come and deliver the wire, posts, drill the posts
in and show my husband how to complete the job. We bought a few
special tools for about $300. Total cost was ~$2,000 but a large
part of that was that we had a lot of corners which required a lot
of posts (4 huge posts a corner). You could fence a much bigger
area for that amount of money. I also wouldn't put that many
strands.
Even with 12 strands one of my foals did manage to go through the
fence at weaning time, but with no injuries (except by the metal
electric fence sign) and no damage to the fence. Right now I
have a yearling and a two year old stud colt who are hard on fences
but have not done anything to this one. The fence is absolutely
maintenance free, a tree can fall on it and the wire won't break,
but there is enough give that the horses just bounce off of it.
We got the idea to use it from the new North Carolina Vet
school that had installed it in their pastures. Send me mail if
you want more information.
Sue Watkins
mhuxd!refer
201-582-7241
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Date: 14 Mar 88 20:24:00 GMT
From: [email protected] (Ken Rossen)
Organization: Don't Push Snow Over Here
Subject: Rare and Out-of-Print Horse and Farm Books
In issue 71 of the Equestrian Digest and in the corresponding [now-expired]
rec.equestrian article, I recommended an antiquarian horse book business
in Cambridge, Mass. that I had then just discovered. I have recently
received a letter from Robin Bledsoe, the owner, and she tells me
that the Digest/USENET mention brought in a number of inquiries. Glad
to hear it! The address again, for those who missed it, is Blue Rider
Books, 65 Mount Auburn Street, Cambridge, Mass. 02138. The telephone
number is 617/576-3634, there is a mailing list announcing new arrivals,
and she does take phone orders (ask for Robin). The shop is on Massachusetts
Avenue, call for directions.
Also in the letter, Robin refers me to a friend of hers who deals
in rare and out-of-print books on farming. I thought this would be
a worthwhile mention to Digest and USENET readers, especially those
who were eager for a rec.farm group.
The gentleman's name is Robert Gear, and among the specialties in his
collection are books on rare breeds and sustainable agriculture. The
catalogue includes sections on Farming Experience, Farm Shop, Grasses,
Insects, Bees, Cattle, Hogs, Horses (including a 1976 British book
on harness horses), Poultry, Sheep, and Animal Husbandry. I'm sure
there is a number of books to intrigue quite a few of you.
Robert Gear Books, P.O.Box 1137, Greenfield, Mass., 01302. 413/772-6576
Mail-order only, catalogue available. Thanks to Robin Bledsoe for the
referral.
Special note to dressage folks in New England -- Robin contributed an
excellent article on Building a Dressage Library to this year's "Salute",
the annual official publication which you should just have received if
you are a member of New England Dressage Association (NEDA).
Happy reading.
--
[email protected]
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Date: 11 Mar 88 15:10:53 GMT
From: [email protected]
(Steve Frysinger of Blue Feather Farm)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Subject: Re: Ponies in harness.
>
> I am not an expert and don't remember the ratio, but remember, an
> animal can pull much more than they can carry. The fine boned 10 hand
> pony which your child rides should easily pull a 2 wheel cart with
> Mom and Pop joining the child on the cart. How far you travel is
> dependant on the condition of the animal and how well maintained
> the vehical is.
> Don Hayes
This is good input, Don. We've been considering ponies in the 11-13
hand range (small enough for the anklebiters and big enough for the
older kids and mom). We'd have only one, and it would have free
access to the pasture from its box stall (so it should stay in good shape).
I've been thinking of either a cart or, better yet, a small buggy with
four "light-duty" wheels and a minimal body with 2-person seat (and
a grocery boot :-). I'm not counting on plowing with it, but I'd like
to be able to drive a hay mower and rake. Do you know of any book
or journal sources which would help us to calculate the capabilities
of various sized horses of various breeds?
Thanks again!
Steve Frysinger
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| 77.57 | Equestrian Digest Issue #83 | LDP::BELANGER | KA1RML watching 145.090 | Mon Mar 21 1988 10:01 | 547 |
| Equestrian Digest Sun 20 Mar 1988 Issue 83
Today's Topics:
fences
Wintec stirrup leathers
What's new at our farm / Despri Saddle / Four Beat Canter
Intro (Responses to Various Recent Topics)
Re: A pickup for a 2-horse trailer: a question
Re: A pickup for a 2-horse trailer: a question
Pituitary tumors, hormonal changes, and founder
Pony (or horse) pulling power.
Re: Re: A pickup for a 2-horse trailer: a question
Re: Fences
the elusive term mare
How not to load a horse
Re: Advice Needed on Jumping
Re: A pickup for a 2-horse trailer: a question
equestrian bulletin board
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Date: 12 Mar 88 18:47:59 GMT
From: [email protected]
Organization: The Pennsylvania State University - Computation Center
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: fences
In central PA the preferred fencing method for horses is to do the perimeter of
your property in four or three strand tensile wire that has a hot wire for the
top two strands or, a hot wire inside the posts. You can then divide up your
pasture or riding areas with just hot wire. The plain hot wire can be moved
easily to rotate pastures etc. If the horses get through the hot wire the
tensile wire will stop them. Make sure your horses can see the tensile wire
when you first put them out since it can cut them if they run into it.
Never use chain link fencing for horses. They can get their hooves stuck
in it or cut themselves badly on the top of the fence. Also I doubt that chain
link is strong enough to hold horses.
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Date: 15 Mar 88 17:44:14 GMT
From: [email protected] (Robin King)
Organization: Stanford University
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Wintec stirrup leathers
We bought a Wintec synthetic saddle and have been very
happy with it except for one thing: the stirrup leathers.
What the heck are you supposed to use?
There's a pocket running down the inside of the panels
and with regular leathers you really need to insert them
into this to avoid a major lump near your leg. But then
you get no leg movement.
I saw somebody had leathers that are more like a single
strap, perhaps the intended design? The stores seem to know
nothing about it (typical) and initially sold us some "normal-
style" vinyl "Bates" leathers.
Anyone know about this?
Robin King
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Date: Wed, 16 Mar 88 09:20 EST
From: Mary Kafura <KAFURAMK%[email protected]>
Subject: What's new at our farm / Despri Saddle / Four Beat Canter
********************* What's new at our farm ************************
(Robin : You may be sorry you encouraged me!)
It must be spring...Friday afternoon I was riding Pooh (our beautiful Paso)
in my shirtsleeves and today the air is filled with snowflurries! This had
better be only a temporary setback (all my daffodils keeled over).
Saturday we took delivery on "Sooty Mink" a 12 year old appy/TB. Minky is our
first 'leased' horse so the recent discussions regarding leasing arrangments
have been of particular interest. I don't know if our situation is unusual
or not. Minky's owner is a (locally) big-time dressage rider and has taken
him as far has she feels she can given his conformation (2nd level plus
some 3rd level stuff). She just bought a 2 year old Trakaener/Tb filly
and didn't want Minky sitting aroung getting fat(ter). We are not paying
her any fee for his use! Her only admonition was "don't sell him".
Our trainer feels that Minky can really teach us a lot. His training is
classically correct; he won't let you get away with sloppy signals. He is
very sensitive to the seat. You can halt him on the lunge with your seat.
Our youngsters (Andy, my pony and Amos my spouse's big hunter) are just
at training level. The plan is for our trainer to work with them and
give us lessons on Minky. We will confine ourselves to trail riding when
we are on our guys. Hopefully, this will give all of us time to get
a firmer foundation.
********************** Despri Saddle ******************************
A few issues back someone mentioned the County Despri which has a
movable flap. I bought one about six months ago and I really love it!
I use it for both dressage and cross country. I was actually looking
for a dressage saddle when I found it at the Dominion Saddlery tent
sale. It really is two saddles in one! It was comfortable right from
the start which really suprised me.
********************* Four Beat Canter *****************************
I had asked for training advice regarding my pony's tendency to
four beat at the canter. My trainer has come up with an approach which
seems to be working. She asks for canter coming up the pasture (a
moderate slope). After about four strides she asks for the halt. After
a few reps of this, Andy began to really collect himself in the canter
(anticipating the halt) and the canter was true! Hopefully, this will
eventually carry over into all his canter work. I would still like
to hear from anyone who has had this problem (whether or not a solution
was found).
Thanks for listening!
Mary Kafura
Newport, VA (somewhere in the Blue Ridge Mountains)
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Date: Thu 17 Mar 88 13:51:28-PST
From: Marsha Jo Hannah <[email protected]>
Subject: Intro (Responses to Various Recent Topics)
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA
I have 2 equines in my life. "Shadow" is a 7-year-old pinto jenny (female
donkey) that I raised from a weanling. She is too small to ride (11.2 hh,
450 lb), but we have taught each other about driving, and now go on trail
drives with the local carriage club and the local donkey club that I belong
to. Two years ago, I added "Nansy" to the family; she is a Norwegian Fjord
pony (14.1 hh, 1200 lb, 19 years old) who takes me on trail rides with local
horsemen's clubs. They live at home with my husband and me, on 95 acres in
the coastal mountains, south of San Francisco, CA. Neither of them is used
enough to be "well conditioned", but they get some exercise hiking up and
down my steep pastures daily, and their temperaments are such that they can
be laid off for weeks, then used without warmup.
The amount of work that an equine can do is based on the animal's body weight.
The rule of thumb is that a horse can carry "dead weight" (pack) 20% of its
body weight, carry "live weight" (rider) of 33%, skid (drag) 200%, and pull
(via wheels) 300%. Of course, these numbers assume flat ground and decent
footing--if a cart must be pulled up a steep hill or through deep sand, the
pull weight drops to 50-100% of body weight. Ponies tend to be sturdier than
horses, i.e. can pull or carry slightly larger percentages of their weight.
For a newcomer to driving, I would strongly suggest starting with a cart, not
a 4-wheeled buggy or wagon. Driving a cart is like driving a car--it pretty
much goes where you point it. Driving a wagon is like driving a truck and
trailer--fine when you're going forward, but you have to plan ahead for turns
and tight gates, and backing up requires a lot of practice. For someone
wanting to get a pony, I would firmly suggest a Fjord. A 13 hh Fjord is
sturdy enough to carry dad, quiet enough to babysit the little kids, spunky
enough to pull the whole family at a brisk trot, and strong enough to plow the
garden--besides being an easy keeper, cute, and a great conversation piece.
On the matter of fencing, I do not recommend redwood posts or boards. Redwood
is not as strong as fir, and has a soft texture that seems to invite wood
chewing. To keep boards from becoming "scalloped", it is necessary to apply
creosote (now illegal in CA), metal edging strips, or electric wire, all of
which ruins the pretty look of redwood. For corrals, I use pressure treated
round posts and "corral panels"--4" galvanized "mesh" welded out of 1/4" rods.
mjh
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Date: 17 Mar 88 23:16:15 GMT
From: [email protected] (James Anderson)
Organization: Carnegie-Mellon University, CS/RI
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: A pickup for a 2-horse trailer: a question
And now to do something you rarely see on netnews...... A male disagreeing
with a female. :-) I disagree with wendy about choices for towing
vehicles, though I do roughly agree with the statement that the weight of
the trailer should not be much more than the weight of the towing vehicle.
An automatic transmission is much better for towing. The torque converter
gives you a massive advantage over a manual transmission. I'd say your
towing difficulty is more likely the result of a too high rear end ratio
or a bad kickdown actuator on your transmission. It could also be that some
of your smog garbage is out of adjustment or needing replaced, causing a
vacuum shortage which impedes that actuator functioning. I personally think
a tuneup and transmission inspection are a good idea in any season that you
plan to tow your equine friends, their worth it.
Jim
--
"Some people I've gamed with become close friends, others are like something
I'd scrape off my shoe." Mike Sellers
uucp: ...!seismo!k.gp.cs.cmu.edu!jwa ARPA: [email protected]
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Date: 16 Mar 88 21:30:46 GMT
From: [email protected] (Dave Schoen)
Organization: HP Information Networks, Cupertino, CA
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: A pickup for a 2-horse trailer: a question
Howdy,
What size engine? Depends on where you will be driving. Figure that
the trailer with horses in it is going to wieght 3500 to 4000 lbs. I would
not want less than a 350 under the hood with heavy duty cooling for both
the engine *AND* transmition. If you are going just on flat ground over
shot distances, you might get away with a 302.
My truck has a 390 and I have never felt over-powered 8-)..... but then I
have to go up and down a hill of 2500 feet in 7 miles.
As a side thought, it also depends on how used the engine is when you
get it. Remember, the smaller the engine the harder is has to work to
carry a given load. A small engine just isn't going to last as long as
a big one pulling a heavy trailer. Try to get an idea how the truck was
used before you buy it.
dks
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Date: Fri, 18 Mar 88 9:29:38 EST
From: Herbert Wreden (CCJ) <[email protected]>
Subject: Pituitary tumors, hormonal changes, and founder
[see Subject: line]
Are there any sources of info as to subject? Need to contact people
with info, to determine course of the tumor/related effects. Thanks in
advance for any assistance. My phone (after 6 pm) is 201-875-7602.
Would like to talk the above.
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Date: Fri, 18 Mar 88 14:04:15 CST
From: Don Hayes <A01DLH1%[email protected]>
Subject: Pony (or horse) pulling power.
I have been trying to figure out how to answer Steve's question about
how to calculate the "horsepower" of a pony. I do not know if there
are any books on the subject. I understand from older members of our
club that not much was ever written down about draft horse work and
how to harness etc. I guess teamsters were not good writers.
The library here at NIU (about 24,000 students) has 3 books on harness
(in art and ancient history) and 1 on draft horses (breeds of), loads
of books, however, on horses to and rideing. This was to illustrate the
the point that not many books seem to be available on the subject.
Perhaps these observations will help. My team (pair) of ponies stand
about 13.2h. They have no trouble pulling a wagon of about 800-1000 lb
which ride on rubber tires with roller bearings from a small car.
Gravel, blacktop, & concrete roads are the norm. I had a friend who
cultivated his corn with a 2 row cultivator and a team about the same
size as mine. I once saw a pair of draft horses which were not quite
as large as Belgians mowing hay and they were WORKING. The AMISH folks,
south of here about 200 miles, move down the hi-way at a nice trot for
several miles with just one smallish horse on a 4 wheel single seat
buggy. Note that that horse, no matter how it looks, is in good shape
from being used "all" the time. That is, after all, that families only
form of transportation.
I don't want to go on and on here so will list the things to think
about when working with harness horses. Bigger wheels roll easier,
soft soil will really produce drag, and keep the axles greased.
Be sure your horse knows what it's supposed to do BEFORE you hook it
to a cart or buggy. Many good carts etc. have been kicked to junk
because the horse had never had anything "dragging" behind it before.
Ground drive first, adding plenty of noise, weight, etc. as you
progress. Two horses which have both been driven single do not make
a team unless you can get them to work together.
Hope this helps,
Don Hayes
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Date: 17 Mar 88 22:33:07 GMT
From: [email protected] (Steve Frysinger of Blue Feather Farm)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Subject: Re: Re: A pickup for a 2-horse trailer: a question
>
> There is more to a pickup than just engine size.
> I have a 302 engine which can move the truck,
> trailer and two large horses. However, I have
> trouble with not a low enough gear when I am
> traveling in the mountains. I have a 3-speed
> automatic transmission. This was a mistake.
> Next truck I get will be a 4-speed manual.
> Wendy
Be careful with this one! When I bought my truck (a Ford Ranger -
couldn't handle more than a single pony trailer I guess), I specified
a manual transmission, and asked about towing capacities. Well,
with the automatic, trailer weight can be 5000+ pounds. With the
manual, it's 1750! The best I can guess is that a clutch strong
enough to keep from slipping with a 5000 pound trailer can't be
separated by a mere mortal's foot. Anyway, I understand that towing
capacity for automatic is usually MUCH higher than manual.
Steve
PS Incidently, my Ranger has the 2.3L four cylinder, 5 speed manual
trans, 4 wheel drive, heavy payload package, and supercab with jump seats.
It isn't perfect at anything, but it's pretty good at a lot:
- 20 or 25 bales of hay will fit in/on its 4x6' bed (without supercab
you can get a 7' bed)
- 4x8' sheets lie flat on cross boards above wheel wells with the gate
down; they provided indentations in the inner bed for the cross boards!
- 3/4 ton of sand or firewood with minimal "motorboating"
- Effective 4x4: pulled my tractor out of the mud several times
and a 1200 pound British cannon up some slippery hills (don't ask)
- Holds 2 adults and 3 kids for up to 2 hours without death threats
- 22 mpg in town, up to 28 mpg freeway
All in all, a good compromise farm/commuter vehicle, and pretty cheap
too! Just thought I'd throw the review in.
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Date: 18 Mar 88 21:36:01 GMT
From: [email protected] (Gale Snow)
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View
Newsroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Fences
recently i posed a question, asking for recommendations for fencing for
a smallish (24'x20') paddock attached to my mare's stall. its purpose
is to reinforce the existing piped paddock fence from the ground up so
that there is no possibility of the foal rolling under the fence and
getting separated from mom. (thank you to all who responded!) i thought
you might be interested in what i decided on. i bought "hardware cloth".
this was also recommended by my veterinarian. it has a 1/2" x 1/2" mesh
and so is quite safe in that the foal's feet/legs can't get tangled up in
it. (kind of expensive tho, $1.25/foot, but worth it!)
gale snow
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Date: 18 Mar 88 21:53:24 GMT
From: [email protected] (Gale Snow)
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: the elusive term mare
my mare is expecting her foal any time now. the big question is how do
you tell when? i thought perhaps your experiences might help.
i was originally expecting the foal between april 2 and april 7. this
is 335-340 days from when she was covered (may 4 1987). but she has
been waxed up since last sunday (march 13) and dripping milk daily.
does this indicate that the foal will be very early? isn't it too early?
does anyone have experience with the predict-a-foal kit? how reliable
is it? i have been keeping a very close eye on her, watching for changes
in her behavior and the softening of the muscles around her tail and vulva.
but am anxious that i might miss the big event.
thanks,
gale snow
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Date: 16 Mar 88 14:56:30 GMT
From: [email protected] (susans)
Organization: Consumer Financial Institute, Waltham, Mass.
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: How not to load a horse
Hi fellow equestrians. I sent the following story to a net friend,
and thought it might be appropriate to the net. We could use some
traffic on something other than synthetic saddles.
HORSE STORY:
The first time my father and I tried to load Jack Daniels into a trailer
without benefit of a professional handler was the first time I tasted beer!
I was 12 or 13, and Dad was taking Jack and a neighbor's horse on a
trail ride up north in California. He refused to let me load Jack the way
I knew Jack would load: I would walk in, he would follow, and I would jump
out the escape door (jeeeesh, that's what it's for!!). He decided that was
too dangerous, and tried unsuccessfully for a really long time to lead the
horse to the entrance and walk along the outside of the trailer and hope the
horse went in on his own. No way!!!
After about 15 minutes of patience, Dad lost it totally and started hitting
Jack. (Note: I love my father, a banker. He did the best he knew how.)
You just didn't hit Jack and expect any results at all!! It was
90 degrees out, and they were late, and Jack was foaming, Dad was swearing,
Mom was wringing her hands -- she finally left. I was crying at this point,
because Dad was hitting Jack with his lead rope around the neck and head
(this was the most head-shy horse I have ever met: even after 7 years of
loving him, I couldn't look at his teeth or wash his face). Jack blew up!
He reared up (as opposed to reared down??? 8^)) and laid his hooves on
Dad's shoulders and stood there, nostrils flared wide enough to drive a
V.W. beetle down, and stared Dad in the face in a frightening challenge
to "Make my day, Pops. Hit me again". At this point, I imagine I was
screaming. Sparks flew from Jack's shoes hitting the pavement as he backed
off and tried to run. The neighbors had just about had it. The horse already
in the trailer had had it. I know Jack and Dad had had it, as Dad finally said "Do what you want with him."
I picked up a carrot, patted Jack's sweaty neck, stepped into the trailer
and waited. After about 15 seconds, he stepped gently onto the ramp and
nuzzled me for the carrot. I back up and tossed his rope into the feed bin,
and stepped out the door as my neighbor closed the tailgate. Crisis over.
From that point on, I loaded Jack. Dad may never forgive himself.
Jack is gone now: off to the great hunting field in the sky, I guess.
We gave up on this horse after 8 years of harrowing experiences like this:
yes, we made a number of mistakes (note above my father is NOT a professional
horse handler) the most obvious among them was BUYING THE HORSE!!
Please, please, if you are a novice, don't buy a "hot" horse and believe you
can "tame" him. I worked with trainers extensively, and was unable to get
this horse past the point where I could ride him: which is to say he was
dangerous, unpredictable (not the point of this story in particular), and
expensive -- training, special equipment, and hospital bills (he fell on
top of me several times because of a very over zealous jumping style).
Get a nice horse you can trust, and don't be mislead by an unscrupulous
seller.
--
Susan Scheide
Another friend of Bill's
"I am responsible..."
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Date: 18 Mar 88 21:13:32 GMT
From: pacbell!att-ih!att-cb!clyde!watmath!watcgl!lily!ceduke@AMES.ARC.NASA.GOV
(Carolyn Duke)
Organization: U. of Waterloo, Ontario
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Advice Needed on Jumping
I don't think an healthy, older horse will be bothered by jumping 2 feet.
As long as he seems sound, and jumping is not overdone, I believe it is
quite ok for him to jump. In any case, jumping more often than an half-hour
or an hour session once a week is not recommended, many horses can get
sour on jumping and it only puts strain on the legs.
If he becomes unsound or gets a sore back, lay off the jumping.
The lack of prior training doesn't matter, in fact the horse is more likely
to be sound than those who jumped too much when young.
Actual cases: I know three horses who learned to jump at
sixteen, seventeen and eighteen years old respectively.
The first, an ex-racing mare, took her rider to the Novice Equitation
Championship (three feet fences) in the Ottawa Valley Schooling Show Circuit.
She got retired from jumping this year, after two years of jumping,
when her age began to show. (she lost condition and weight for no reason)
The other, an ex-Western horse, enjoyed jumping and got sold from a riding
stable to a show exhibitor. The third, an excellent Basic dressage competitor,
is handling two feet courses nicely with his novice rider.
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Date: 16 Mar 88 00:00:15 GMT
From: [email protected] (Wendy Milner)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Ft. Collins CO
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: A pickup for a 2-horse trailer: a question
There is more to a pickup than just engine size.
I have a 302 engine which can move the truck,
trailer and two large horses. However, I have
trouble with not a low enough gear when I am
traveling in the mountains. I have a 3-speed
automatic transmission. This was a mistake.
Next truck I get will be a 4-speed manual.
Another thing to consider is the weight of
the truck. Your truck should weigh more than
the trailer fully loaded. This way, you won't
be pushed down the street, rather you will
pull the trailer.
Wendy
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From: [email protected]
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 88 16:32:18 +0100
Subject: equestrian bulletin board
Due to re-arrangements I no longer have frequent access to the UNIX
computers in our network. Therefore I will ask you to temporarely take me of
the equestrian mailing list.
I can tell you a little about our horses here in front of the 'big season'.
We currently have two horses and a pony. One of the horses is used for com-
petition, Dressage as well as Jumping, the other is used for hobby. The pony
is the first pony that my wife ever had, so we decided to keep it around for
emotional reasons.
The competition horse is a maire registered in Danish Warmblod among their
10 percent finest breeding material. My wife gives it a daily work composed
of various dressage excersises. First it was our intention just give it as
much dressage training needed to become a skillful jumping horse, but the
horse (Appia) began to love it and showed so much talent that we take her out
for events in and compete in the training classes. As a jumping horse we
have a young rider who this season is ready to take her into contest with an
average hight 130-140 cm. Over here we call that MB-MA. This horse is of
course the star in the family she gets most of our attention (and money too).
The hobby horse is an old gelding we bought for my own riding. Of course
there had to be a day, when I was no longer allowed to ride our talented and
allways in the trimming period maire. Thus we set out to find a good horse
to be my companion in the woods during summer time. I allways said to my wife,
who was a already a skillful rider when I met her:
"There is only one reason that will make learn how to ride a horse,
and that is to be able to have nice rides into the wood."
About the pony I can tell you that is rather large (144 cm) but also very
wise. We couldn't just tosse her away because we no longer had a need for
her. So we decided to keep her around, and today two young girls share her.
I can assure you they have a hard time trying to beat and control her wisdom,
but when they move on to other ponies or horses, they will certainly value
what they learned from this old lady.
Enough about our horse situation for now. Until I'm back in the UNIX net,
I hope that you will all have a nice and wonderful summer seasons with the
lovely country riding experiences that comes with this time of the year.
Best regards,
John Brun (Zepp)
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| 77.58 | Equestrian Digest Issue #84 | LDP::BELANGER | KA1RML watching 145.090 | Mon Apr 04 1988 11:42 | 630 |
| Equestrian Digest Sat 2 Apr 1988 Issue 84
Today's Topics:
Re: Pony (or horse) pulling power.
Re-Intro + Responses
fencing, trucks, update
Re: Fences
Re: Fences
Truck and towing
Potomac Horse Fever
Racehorse grooms course
Equus, April 1988 contents
Re: Truck and towing
Standardbreds
Buggies again
homes for old troopers
Pasture rotation
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Date: 21 Mar 88 14:56:30 GMT
From: [email protected] (Steve Frysinger of Blue Feather Farm)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Pony (or horse) pulling power.
> I have been trying to figure out how to answer Steve's question about
> how to calculate the "horsepower" of a pony.
> Hope this helps, Don Hayes
It does! Thanks for your input and your trouble taken!
We've got a little time (a year or two?) before the pressure to
have a riding pony becomes overwhelming, so I'll continue my research
and hopefully be learned enough to buy the right animal then.
Thanks to everyone who offered insight on this topic; your efforts
are well-appreciated!
Steve Frysinger
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Date: Tue 22 Mar 88 15:46:44-PST
From: Marsha Jo Hannah <[email protected]>
Subject: Re-Intro + Responses
My last submission to the Equestrian Digest came after having read only
issue 82. Over the weekend, I read the Samplers and other recent issues
(I'll have you know that I used up a perfectly good Saturday afternoon that
way--got to reading E.D. and couldn't put it down!), and now find that I
have various things to say about a lot of topics.
First of all, I think that my introduction needs augmentation. Although I
loved horses since I was old enough to say the word, and grew up in New
Mexico, I was a town kid, so never had the opportunity to indulge my love--
Dad kept telling me "it's not the cost, it's the upkeep", and Mom was
afraid I would hurt myself. After completing college and graduate school and
getting married, I too finally realized that they couldn't say no any more.
I began with Western riding lessons, which somehow always got interrupted
(instructor moved, or winter set it, or horses went to camp, or ...), always
somewhere in the midst of my learning to sit the trot or learning to canter.
My husband was skeptical about horses in general, so after we finished
building our house on the small ranch we had bought in the Santa Cruz Mtns,
we started with a donkey, ``to keep the grass down''. The work ethic took
over, requiring that the donkey learn to do something, so Shadow and I taught
each other about driving (the combination of a green animal and a green owner
is not recommended, but we muddled through, somehow). The steep area where
we live has few places suitable for driving, so I eventually returned to
riding. At first, I wanted a mule, then decided I'd get an Appy mare and
breed a mule (i.e. learn to ride on the mare, then train the mule colt).
However, serendipity introduced me to a Norwegian Fjord pony at one of the
Combined Driving Events that our carriage club puts on, and I was hooked.
After searching around for a while, I bought Nansy, an older Fjord mare who
had gone, been, done, and seen almost everything. To my mind, she is
perfect--so totally bombproof that I can put my non-riding husband on her
and turn my back without worrying, and so lovable that she has even converted
him to wanting a horse of his own. As to experience level--after 7 years of
equine ownership, I still consider myself to be quite green. I've read a lot
of books, so can spout the theory, but don't have all that much practice
under my belt. I welcome the opportunity to "chat" with other horse lovers
via the Equestrian Digest.
On the issue of One's First Horse, I agree that a beginner should not get a
hot horse. I also agree that it is the individual animal that counts, but I
think that the probabilities of finding a suitable horse are better in some
breeds (or strains of breeds) than others--to my mind, anything with Arab or
TB in it should be left in the hands of an expert. The MOST important trait
of a horse for a beginner is that you TRUST the animal. Don't take the
owner's word that the animal is "suitable for a beginner"--always wear your
hard hat when "test-riding" a new animal. Oh, one other point for amateurs--
if you're into any type of showing, never buy a horse with white hind legs--
it is impossible to get or keep them clean. My dirt-colored (dun) Fjord mare
looks much more presentable at the end of the winter than my pinto (70%
white) donkey.
To the lady who thought she would take her baby out in the buggy until the
child was big enough to ride with her safely--my advice is DON'T. The buggy
will jostle the child just as much as being on a horse, and will be even less
safe, unless you take along another adult to cradle the infant while you
drive. Under no circumstances should a child be belted into a horse-drawn
vehicle. (I know car seat belts save lives, but car engines don't jump back
to their feet after a wreck and take off cross country, kicking the chassis
to pieces. How would you feel, standing there, watching your horse run away
with and demolish a carriage with your kid still tied to it?)
I've never had rats in the barn, but find that a Tin Cat mouse trap (live
trap, made by Victor) keeps the mice down to reasonable levels. I've always
been afraid to put any type of poison bait in the barn, for fear the mice
will cache it in the hay, and I would inadvertently feed the poison to my
equines.
No, chain link fences aren't strong enough to contain horses. A few years
back, some dogs packed up near Stanford University and chased some pasture
boarded horses thru the 6'-high chain link fence that separated the pasture
from Interstate-280. Very messy.
On pickups for trailer towing, I agree that a little truck can do the job.
Our 4WD Toyota, 1/2 ton w/ 5-speed manual tranny, handles our 2-horse trailer
(1750 lb) plus cargo (1650 lb of equines) on our very steep road (10-25%
grade) with no problem. (By contrast, my neighbor's huge Chevy 4WD pickup
with 400 cu in engine and automatic can barely haul her EMPTY trailer out
the same road.) True, on the highway, we're over there in the truck lane
with the semis on hills, but we get there.
As for West Coast Riding, yes, there are those of us out here who are into
trail riding. Some of us even live and ride in the Santa Cruz Mtns. The
best sources for trails in this area are Doni Hubbard's books, "Favorite
Trails of Northern California Horsemen" and "New Trail Adventures ...", which
should be available at your favorite tack shop. My problem is finding people
who want to go for moderate rides--moderate distance, moderate elevation
changes, moderate pace--i.e. rides suitable for an old short fat horse and
a green rider. All the local trail clubs seem to be dominated by folks on
endurance Arabs.
Marsha Jo Hannah--SRI International, Menlo Park, CA (415) 859-4598
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Date: Mon, 21 Mar 88 11:04:47 PST
From: [email protected]
Subject: fencing, trucks, update
Re: fencing, trucks and us
Chain link (AKA cyclone) fencing is extremely strong. Part of the
strength of the fencing comes from its' ability to give and absorb shock.
The squares formed by this fencing are small (approx. 2" square) enough
to prevent all but the smallest hooves from going through. Better chain
link fencing has a rolled top leaving no exposed "points". Those are
the good points. Now the bad. The stuff looks terrible (factory parking
lot syndrome), and is prohibitively expensive.
We have a GMC Suburban 3/4 ton, 454 cid engine, automatic 3 spd
tranny with the towing "package" (platform hitch, h/d radiator, oil and
transmission coolers, h/d alternator and battery...rated to pull 9500 lbs
max.). When shopping for this beast we found that (at least where we checked)
towing packages were "not available" with manual transmissions. The reason
we were given is that the auto makers ended up with too many warrantee
repairs on clutches/transmissions when a manual transmission was coupled
with a towing package. I don't know about the smaller trucks...perhaps the
"down-rating" Steve talked of is part of this scheme. I don't think a
strong clutch has a bearing on this since hydraulic clutches seem to be the
norm anymore. Anyway, if you hook up your own towing platform (which is
what some people do after getting all the other heavy-duty stuff to support
it without getting the "official" towing package and a manual tranny), and
something goes wrong in the drive train, you could find that the warrantee
may have been voided! I'm no fan of automatic transmissions, but I'll put
up with it if it seems to serve its' purpose.
Anyway, just as a minor update, Heather has started showing in a
local hunter/schooling circuit on a 16.2 Paint from the barn (named, of
course, Sherwin Williams...the horse, I mean). Success has been a bit
limited by the inability of the two of them to get/maintain correct leads
leading to a condition called "The Sherwin Shuffle". But they're learning
each other and enjoying each other tremendously...and ain't that what it's
all about. Our POA "Silver" now serves as both a riding pony (for the two
younger kids), and a pulling pony for the older ones. She does like to
strut her stuff pulling the cart (two wheel type). Mom's not back in the
saddle yet, but we're all working on her. I'm the groom, moral/financial
surporter, photographer, and general gofer. One of these days I'll get on
and learn to ride...and that's going some for a kid from the Near-North Side
of Chicago.
Sto lat;
Chip
,,
*** SOLIDARNOSC ***
Chip Kozy (415) 939-2400 @ Varian 2700 Mitchell Dr. Walnut Creek, Cal. 94598
...!ptsfa!varian!vaxwaller!chip
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Date: 24 Mar 88 23:40:49 GMT
From: [email protected] (Dinah Anderson)
Organization: Shell Development Company, Bellaire Research Center, Houston TX
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Fences
>In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Rob Bernardo) writes:
>>In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Jean Marie Diaz)
writes:
>>+I feel a bit uncomfortable with the idea of chain-link
>>+fence, but can't come up with any logical reasons.
>>
>>Metal fences are less forgiving than wood
>>when a horse runs into it. Rather have a broken fence than a broken horse!
>>
My dressage instructor lost her Prix St.George level dressage horse when
he fell into a wooden fence. THe broken board impaled his heart. It was
not a pretty site. We now have PVC fencing with electric wires. Another
horse went through the electric fence and was only briefly stunned. We
think it is the only way to go.
Dinah Anderson
Shell Oil Company, Information Center (713) 795-3287
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Date: 23 Mar 88 14:05:14 GMT
From: [email protected] (Moe Bradley)
Organization: Analysis & Technogy's Embedded Computer Group, New London, CT
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Fences
Tried to e-mail this. but it didn't go through for
some reason. Anyway, here's some info for anyone
interested in *SAFE* fencing.
Stud Rail is put out by Mico Fence Products. They have a toll-free
number: 800-334-1025. You can buy directly from them, or
ask them about a dealer in your area.
We have several fields fenced in Stud Rail, and we have
no complaints about the way it has held up. The horses
don't bother it, and it doesn't bother them. No sharp
edges or wires that they can get cut up in, and I don't
have to worry about them catching a leg in wire, like
I have seen happen other places. Also, they don't
chew it, which is another thing I like. It was easy to
put up, and is very attractive. We intend to replace
all of the 3-rail fencing that we have up with it as the
need arises.
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Date: 26 Mar 88 00:13:51 GMT
From: [email protected] (Benson)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories - Naperville, Illinois
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Truck and towing
I thought I would put my 2 cents in about trucks and towing. All I can
tell you is from my own personal experience.
2 years ago I bought a Dodge "heavy" 1/2 ton pickup with their prospector
towing package. By ording the "heavy" 1/2 ton I got a truck with a little
heavyier gvw without paying the price for 3/4 ton truck. It has Dodge's
318 v8 engine which Dodge has been making for ages. With the Prospector
package (there are several variations on this package) I got heavy-duty
suspension, frame, larger battery and some other engine variations that
make towing easier. Also got larger tires than normal (do not have 4
wheel drive). It has a 4 speed manual (my husband figures this way he
can fix it if I reck it ;-) ) but the 1st gear is geared so low that
you don't even use it when not towing. I call it a 'granny gear' but
it has lots of power. It pulled a loaded 4-horse from a dead stop on
a steep hill without too much complaining (not something I would do on
a regular basis but some nut pulled out in front of us). We put a Reese
hitch on it instead of trying to use the step bumper. Didn't want to
pull my bumper off my new truck, I have seen some people try to tow horse
trailers from their bumpers (makes for short lived bumpers)
Anyway before I start rambling on too much here I just wanted to tell you
I really enjoy driving my truck. We test drove all the others as we didn't
really have any preference for any certain kind and really liked the way
the Dodge handled. My girlfried (who does most of the driving when pulling
the 4 horse) says it's one of the best handling trucks she has pulled her
trailer with.
Pam B. ihlpa!pkb
I can tell it's finally Spring. It's the only time of the year when I
eat, breathe and wear as much horse hair as my horse.
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Date: 25 Mar 88 13:44:54 GMT
From: [email protected] (Deitrick)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories - Naperville, Illinois
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Potomac Horse Fever
A while ago I asked the net for information about Potomac Horse Fever. The
veterinarians at Illinois Equine Field Service (who treat my horse)
recommended that the horse get two shots for Potomac Horse Fever, and I
couldn't understand why. Someone gave me a good answer and the horse got
his two shots. The veterinarians just put out a newsletter that talks
about PHF, among other things. Here's that article.
Carl Deitrick
*************************************************************************
POTOMAC HORSE FEVER (PHF)
Potomac Horse Fever was first recognized in Montgomery County, Maryland, in
1979. Since then cases of PHF have been confirmed in at least 21 states
including Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, and Wisconsin. Illinois Equine Field
Service had 4 confirmed cases in 1987 and the Illinois Equine Hospital had
several more. In all 40 cases were diagnosed in Illinois in 1987.
PHF is caused by a richettsial agent Ehrlichia ristici, named after Dr. M.
Risitic, of the University of Illinois, one of the researchers involved in
identifying the agent. The agent is transmitted from the blood of infected
horses by a biting insect vector. Ticks, most likely the American dog tick,
are suspected vectors. PHF is not transmitted by fecal material of infected
horses.
The disease is seasonal, most cases occuring in July and August, and usually
occurs near a large river or its tributaries. Several of our cases were near
the Fox River.
Clinical signs of PHF initially are high fever (102 - 107) and depression,
which are often followed by a severe diarrhea and/or colic. Signs of
laminitis (founder) frequently occur with the onset of the diarrhea. In
1984, about 40% of the PHF deaths were due to laminitis and its complications.
Confirmation of the disease is done by submitting serum samples to the
laboratory. This is done only on horses showing symptoms of the disease. It
is of little value in normal horses.
Supportive fluid therapy, oxytetracycline antibiotic therapy, and protectants
for the intestinal tract are the treatments for PHF. Frequently it is necessary
to hospitalize the horses to provide them with adequate fluid therapy.
The vaccine for PHF, which became available late last year, is a series of two
innoculations given at a 3-4 week interval. It is the only defense available
against this life threatening disease. We recommend you vaccinate your horses
before the insect season starts.
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From: [email protected]
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 88 01:18:03 CST
Subject: Racehorse grooms course
An acquaintance of mine is offering a class designed to train people
who would like to become race horse grooms. The 40-hour course will
be held on Saturday and Sunday for four consecutive weeks. Students
learn how to handle race horses and groom, bandage, tack and generally
care for them. Graduates may find employment as racehorse grooms at
the local track (Canterbury Downs in Minnesota). The course may be
started on any Saturday beginning April 9 and ending May 7. Tuition
is $200. Students must be at least 16 years of age. Anyone interested
should contact Pat Tollefson at Muckers, Inc. Academy for Racehorse
Grooms, Box 34, Savage, Minnesota 55378 or call her at 612 431-3123.
Pat tells me that getting a job is not just a pipe dream, there is
a shortage of grooms locally. I suspect that the prospect of working
7 days a week starting at 5:30 AM and having to muck stalls every day
as well as work for minimum wage has a lot to do with it. Still, I
can imagine some dedicated high schoolers who would actually enjoy
such a job. As a matter of fact, I know that there are jobs for
folks who want to work with horses advertised in our local papers
frequently. Of course, $12,000 a year is a good salary for a stable
manager around here (but it does usually include housing for the person
and sometimes for their own horse as well). I wonder, are jobs of
this sort advertised all around the country or is something different
about the Upper Midwest?
Robin Crickman ...ihnp4!bungia!foundln!robin
sort o
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From: [email protected]
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 88 01:18:23 CST
Subject: Equus, April 1988 contents
Here is another magazine table of contents. Statements in [ ] are my
additions. Feel free to send queries if you want to know more about a
particular listed item, I'll try to assist.
Robin Crickman, ...ihnp4!bungia!foundln!robin
EQUUS, (number 126) April 1988
The Extra Senses. How do horses know so many things we can't perceive?
[This is a rather silly rehash of amazing things horses have done with
only a little sesnible explanation. I begin to fear Equus is trying
to rival some of the fluffier magazines.]
Beat The Jitters. How to overcome anxiety and turn yourself and your
horse into more confident competitors.
Tying Up: Old Problem, New Twist. Researchers are taking a hard look
at the complex disease that stops horses in their tracks. Here's what
their efforts have revealed. [If you have a horse who ties up, this is
probably worth your time to read. Recent medical research included.]
Horses Of The Pacific Northwest. All manner of breeds and equestrian
endeavors are found in the 2,401 miles of territory that stretch from
California through Alaska. [Gee, I thought that keeping horses outdoors
through Minnesota winters was amazing, but in Fairbanks, Alaska!]
Judgment Calls. When your horse is ill or injured, knowing how to size
up the situation before you send for the vet can help preserve the animal's
health as well as your finances.
Australia's Stock Horses. Partners of the stockmen, these hardy horses
give their all when it's time to muster a mob.
Traveling In Style. A special supplement showcasing the latest offerings
in trucks, vans and horse trailers. [Why can't I shake the belief that
they included this article just to encourage all the trailer manufacturer
ads that surround it?]
The Odd Couple. How the heroic rescue of a starving old pony saved an
angry ex-racehorse's life.
Winning Ways. Two world-class instructors -- riding coach Frank Madden
and gymnastics trainer Bela Karolyi -- compare notes on how they successfully
prepare young athletes for competition.
Heroic Efforts. After Tye ingested poisonous red maple leaves, his owners
and a dozen other horses joined his struggle for life. [Saved by blood
tranfusions.]
When The Ring Of Muscles Breaks Down. Understanding the source of a horse's
structural sags and bags.
The File, a roundup of news and views that matter to the horse world.
Tail-abuse test sparks controversy. AQHA implements measures to keep
competition fair.
Oat woes. Prices climb as production declines.
Long-awaited PHF [Potomic Horse Fever] vaccine fully approved. Maryland
horses prove product's effectiveness in field study.
AHSA offers Pegasus card. Special Visa contributes funds to association's
treasury.
Border patrol for disease control. Veterinary experts urge horsemen in
the Southwest to vaccinate twice a year against VEE.
Veterinary specialties. Four fields of study aim for AVMA recognition.
The beef business. [Maiden Paint mare steals calves and nurses them]
Endotoxin antidote. Antiserum neutralizes potentially fatal poisons
manufactured in the horse's gut.
EQUUS Consultants is a monthly feature in which selected experts from across
the country respond to questions raised by readers.
Smoothing out a lumpy topline. [Advice from Deb Bennet on exercises
to improve topline]
'Tis the season for allergies.
Saddle sour or saddle sore?
Hands On represents a summary of current good practice in horsekeeping.
See how they shed.
Making the most of spring pasture.
Tips for mending timeworn leather.
A Figure of fitness. [Bringing your pasture potato back for work]
Teach your yearlings well.
Industry Watch
Take a trotter to the senate floor.
Poison-control hotline expands.
Happy trails are here again [American Forestry Assn trail rides reinstated]
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Date: 29 Mar 88 19:33:15 GMT
From: [email protected] (Tina M. Darmohray)
Organization: Supercomputer R&D Project, LLNL
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Truck and towing
I'm glad the subject of trucks and towing came up because I am currently in
the market for a new one. I will use it to haul a 2 horse trailer to local
(within ~2 hour average distance) horse shows. I am very interested in
getting one of the trucks with the extended cab (like Ford and the new
GMC/Chevys have available). Since this makes the truck longer I want to
get a short bed. Yesterday the Ford dealer told me that the short beds
are limited to the 1/2 ton trucks. So, do any of you have experience
hauling a two horse trailer with a 1/2 ton Ford or Chevy? If so, what
package (engine size, transmission) do you have?
Thanks for your input,
Tina M. Darmohray
ARPA: [email protected]
UUCP: {lll-lcc,lll-tis,seismo,decwrl,rutgers}!mordor!tmd
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Date: 30 Mar 88 16:55:48 GMT
From: [email protected] (Michael B Meyer)
Organization: The University at Albany, Computer Services Center
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Standardbreds
Is anybody out there interested in Harness Racing (i.e. the breeding,
training, and racing of Standardbred horses) ? I am a member of the
Saratoga Amateur Driving Club (Saratoga Raceway, Saratoga, NY) and
would like to see some topics on Harness Racing discussed through this
newsgroup. Is anybody there? Does anybody care?
Post any comments to rec.equestrian or email to:
[email protected]
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Date: 31 Mar 88 00:59:33 GMT
From: Sue Watkins <[email protected]>
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Buggies again
Well I've finally decided to go ahead and buy a buggy and
harness so my spouse, baby, crippled dog and I can go for
scenic drives in NJ (hard as that is to believe).
I'm not on the mailing list for any tack shops, so where do
I look to buy a buggy and harness. I'm not looking for anything
fancy, just enough to seat two adults (Norm will hold Kate) and
it probably should have rubber tires (as opposed to antique wooden).
We live in the pinelands so there are hundreds of miles of sand
roads and we also plan to tour several of the wildlife areas
close by that also have hard-packed sand roads.
I'll advertise in the local paper for used equipment but with the
few calls I've made I realize that I don't have any idea of a
realistic price range for either buggy or harness. Pointer to
suppliers or just estimates for costs would be appreciated.
Thanks again to everyone who helped with idea as to how to enjoy
the horses and my baby. We'll be very careful. Any other advice
is always welcomed. I did train my pony to drive after I outgrew
her and spent about three years just driving her on the country
roads in Ohio.
Sue Watkins
201-582-7241
mhuxd!refer
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Date: Thu, 31 Mar 88 17:43:45 -0500 (EST)
From: "Lauren M. Schneider" <[email protected]>
Subject: homes for old troopers
I am faced with the bittersweet prospect of placing my dear old horse in a good
home. I bought an elderly horse from the local stable's hack line several
years ago for my first horse (a bonafide charity case, to be accurate). After
two years of GOOD service and invaluable lessons--she's been VERY generous
about being rehabilitated and has turned into a nice little trail horse--I've
bought a young Morgan/Quarter Horse mare that is more athletic and trainable
and suited to my desire to start showing. As a result, since I cannot afford
to feed two horses (!) and must find a home for dear Spook. My hunt has turned
up three avenues:
-someone who wants a just plain pleasure/trail horse--I think she'd be
good match for a bold kid
-a riding program for the handicapped
-veterinary research
This horse has served well, and I won't sell her to a dealer or to slaughter.
I have reservations about veterinary research. I talked to someone at Ohio
State, who was more than happy to take the donation but refused to answer any
questions about what she might be used for other than teaching veterinary
students. I feel uncomfortable sending her off without knowing that. The
handicapped riding programs sound ideal to me, but she's twenty and, although
she's in excellent health, she might not be able to offer the versatility she
needs to in order to earn her keep. I'm still looking--and living on rice and
peanut butter in the process--but I'm afraid I may have to opt for OSU if
nothing turns up in a month or so.
If anyone has advice, information, even interest in a sweet TB/Saddlebred/QH
mare (about as true a black as you'll see, with a white star and snip), please
share what you know.
Many thanks just for listening!
Lauren Schneider
Pittsburgh, PA
(412) 268-3794 (days)
(412) 422-5602 (eves)
[email protected]
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Date: 31 Mar 88 20:10:26 GMT
From: [email protected] (Gary)
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino, CA
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Pasture rotation
I'm trying to figure-out how to divide-up some land
to allow for pasture rotation.
It will be in an inclined area and I feel that it will be
important to have a reasonable amount of grassy cover on
the ground to keep it from washing/blowing away in extreme
weather.
Assuming one horse, a year-round growing season (practically),
and two pasture areas to swap between, how much land would be
needed and how often would the pastures be swapped and seeded?
Has anyone out there had to deal with this??
Gary
(hplabs,sun,ihnp4,amdahl)oliveb!oliven!gnome
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| Equestrian Digest Mon 11 Apr 1988 Issue 85
Today's Topics:
Query
A Pickup for a 2-horse trailer
homes for old troopers
Home For An Old Trooper
riding schools in germany
Re: Pasture rotation
General Comments
Riding boots
Re: Standardbreds
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Date: 1 Apr 88 16:14:53 GMT
From: [email protected] (Richard Newsome)
Organization: The Big Electric Cat
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Query
I'm trying to remember the title of a book I read many years ago; maybe one
of you can help me. It's a novel about a girl whose horse is stolen by
gypsies. Years later she sees a horse in a circus and is convinced it is her
horse, so she starts following the circus from towqn to town trying to
steal it back by various means. I don't recall how it ends.
:w
--
Richard Newsome
Big Electric Cat Public UNIX
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Date: 3 Apr 88 08:47:14 GMT
From: [email protected] (Kyu Lee)
Subject: A Pickup for a 2-horse trailer
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Thanks to all the netters who responded to my posting, requesting
advice on a pickup to pull a 2-horse trailer. Following
my summary is the collection of the responses. The first direct
response was very helpful but unfortunately I lost it. The netters
would appreciate it if the person who sent me the advice would post that
response here.
SUMMARY:
Based on the opinions of the netters, as well as the research I have
done by talking to the trailer folks, auto-mechanics, truckers, and
other "knowledgeable" people, (but not the car/truck salesfolks, since
they know very little about cars, not to mention with pickups) the
following seems to be the case:
- You should go with a 3/4t. Beware, though, that the ride is more
likely to be rougher than 1/2t. Chances are you will get worse mpg,
as well. However, 1988 Chevy/GM and FORD 3/4ts give very
comfortable ride, and the price difference is very minimal; a few
hundred $. The difference is even smaller for a 4WD. Furthermore,
a 3/4t already has HD everything, which you will have to order
as options with 1/2t.
- If you get a 1/2t, make sure it has heavy duty suspension and
heavy duty shocks (included in trailer towing package)
- Engine should be 350 cid (5.7L) or larger. 5L is marginal.
- Rear axle ratio should be at least 3.73. 3.55 is marginal, but no
higher than that; higher means smaller number.
A typical 1/2t usually comes with 3.02/3.05.
- Automatic transmission is recommended. I know, I know, this will
create perpetual arguments, but automatic gives more torque.
Besides, it is required for a towing pkg if you are ordering a new
PU.
- With an automatic, you should have transmission oil cooler.
- Engine oil cooler is also recommended.
- HD battery
- Even if you are buying a used PU, it is a good idea to pick up
brochures from GM/Chevy, Ford, and Dodge, and study what
a trailer towing package includes. This will give one some idea
what a PU should have for trailering.
What did I do? I ordered a new Ford supercap 1/2t with a short bed
mainly for safety space reasons. The supercap gives more
space behind the seat and also gives an additional safety factor; in
a sudden stop your head does not bang into the rear window! It is
important to me since PUs do not have head restraints. I do not need
a supercap with a full size bed, which is the only way 3/4t comes,
By the way, I much prefer Chevy/GM for 1988 model year; it is entirely
new design and very nice. Unfortunately, only Ford makes a supercap
with a short bed, only 1/2t at that. Locally, I can buy a Ford at $50
over the dealer's invoice, as I have recently done to buy a Taurus.
Today, however, I found and bought, instead, a 1985 Chevy 1/2t with
a 5.7L engine and 38,000 miles at $7,800. If the mileage is true,
which I doubt, and the PU is as good as it looks, it is an excellent
buy, and will be a less burden on my purse, but then I am not good at
buying used cars. To lessen the risk, I bought a 2-year warranty.
Now, I will have to cancel the previous order for a Ford.
Kyu.
[email protected]
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From: obrien%[email protected]
Date: 4 Apr 88 11:01
Subject: homes for old troopers
I do not have any contact with veterinary research but it sounds an awful
lot like medical research to me which is rather bad news as far as the
subject is concerned. I would never give my animal to be a subject in
some sort of unknown experimentation. I doubt that they just observe
the horses. Maybe because I used to study psychology and I saw what
kind of experiments were performed on poor rabbits, rats etc that I shutter
to think what they might do to a horse. The fact that they will not give
any details is not a good sign.
I realize that keeping two horses gets to be rather expensive but I would
take the following two routes:
- either look for a good home with either kids or even better
an older person to ride the horse. An older person who is
just interested in pleasure riding would probably be the
best since they will not 'grow out' of the horse.
- or try to find a really good schooling barn where Spook can
live out her remaining years. One has to take time to investigate
the barns and I know that there are some who do take good care
of their school horses. If Spook was local (Massachusetts) my
barn might be interseted. They teach all levels of riders
and do a lot of trail riding and take a wonderful care of
their (and boarders) horses. A lot of schooling barns like
to take on older horses because they usually are more stable.
In my barn a scholl horse (particularly an older one) is used
once-twice a day for half an hour (at most three times if it
is spread out over the whole day and that only occassionally)
and they get regular turn out. They are never used if there
is even a suspicion of something being wrong with them. They
are well grommed, since all students have to clean and brush
them. Only students well known to the barn are allowed to take
school horses out on the trail and usually they go with someone
else (either a teacher, a barn help or another student).
Good luck. Ania
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Date: 4 Apr 88 13:14:01 GMT
From: [email protected] (Deitrick)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories - Naperville, Illinois
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Home For An Old Trooper
>I'm faced with the bittersweet prospect of placing my dear old horse in a good
>home. ... The handicapped riding programs sound ideal to me, but she's twenty
>and, although she's in excellent health, she might not be able to offer the
>versatility she needs to in order to earn her keep.
>
>Lauren M. Schneider
I was a volunteer for a local handicapped riding program for several years.
Some of the people who ride in these programs have severe emotional problems
and some have serious physical problems. The former are being taught to ride
as emotional therapy (I shouldn't have to tell you how people can respond
emotionally to a horse) and the latter ride for physical therapy (the warmth
and motion of the horse stretches out unused muscles).
A handicapped riding program needs reliable (i.e. servicably sound) horses
with two main characteristics: (1) it be exceedingly calm and gentle; and
(2) it be able and willing to walk or trot when told to by a young or
inexperienced or unathletic (or all three) rider. Any horse that meets those
requirements is valuable to the handicapped program. The horse's athletic
ability is immaterial.
If I were you, I'd check out the barn where the horse would be kept, the
credentials of the person running the barn, and the credentials of the person
running the riding program. If I was satisfied with all that, then I'd go
ahead and donate the horse and rest comfortably knowing that she's doing
useful work.
Carl Deitrick
ihnp4!ihuxv!cbd
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Date: Mon, 04 Apr 88 15:24:26 CDT
From: Eliz <MTAMAMA%[email protected]>
Subject: riding schools in germany
hi
I am a student who will be spending next year studying at the
University of Hamburg in Germany. I am looking for any information
about riding clubs/schools in Hamburg, Germany. I ride hunt seat now but i am
also very interested in learning some begining dressage. If anyone has had
experience with riding horse in Europe I'd be interested in hearing about it.
Thanks,
Eliz.
(mtamama@tcsvm)
P.S. I'll be leaving Tulane Univ. may 8th to go home for the summer so
please answer as soon as possible.
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Date: 1 Apr 88 16:42:39 GMT
From: [email protected] (Steve Frysinger of Blue Feather Farm)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Pasture rotation
>
> Assuming one horse, a year-round growing season (practically),
> and two pasture areas to swap between, how much land would be
> needed and how often would the pastures be swapped and seeded?
Depends entirely upon your location and climate. In the northeast,
the usual rule of thumb is that 1 acre will support a horse (assuming
grain is being fed as well), but in the plains states it might be that
5 times that much is required (I know we can put 4-5 sheep on an acre,
while Wyoming can typically handle 1). Pasture rotation doesn't really
change the pasture requirements, since it just effects the order in
which it's eaten. Don't count on seriously improved pasture GROWTH
because of rotation; it's value is in prolonging the LIFE of the
pasture. The rotation advice I've read (no experience of my own)
suggests that you rotate pastures when the grass looks like it needs
it, (which will be different for different livestock). Sheep, for
example, will trample and not eat grass which is over 5 or 6", so
you want to rotate before your fallow field exceeds that.
Hope this helps!
Steve
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Date: 1 Apr 88 13:44:04 GMT
From: [email protected] (Jennifer Moore)
Organization: Theory Center, Cornell U., Ithaca NY
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: General Comments
Here are some general comments about some of the discussion lately.
On buying a truck to haul a horse trailer:
I was looking into buying a truck to haul a two-horse trailer a year
ago, and everywhere I turned I got the same comment: "It's not as
important to get a truck that can *pull* a trailer as it is to get
one that can *stop* one!" The smallest truck I would look at after
that was a heavy half ton, 2-wheel drive, automatic V8. I was also
interested in putting a light camper on the back of the truck for
horse shows. I hauled the small U-Haul camper with a Chevy S-10
6 cylinder once, and we were just boarderline under control for
most of the trip. So I'd definitely recommend a full-sized V8.
On finding a cart and harness for a pony:
This is a tough one! When I first bought my Hackney pony, I wanted
a small meadowbrook cart, so I could show her in ADS events (they
will only accept wire-wheeled carts in the maiden classes). I still
don't have one! But I got a deal on an Amish doctor's buggy and an
antique sleigh (both of which were in great need of refinishing), and
traded the buggy for the pony sized wire-wheeled cart that belonged
to the folks who sold me the pony. I repainted it, refinished the
wood, and have used that for showing in AHSA shows. (I still have
the sleigh, by the way, and it will be completely refinished and
ready for sale this summer... my pony is also for sale.) Since the
person inquiring about the pony cart lives in NJ, I would recommend
a quick hop across the boarder into Lancaster County, PA. The last
I heard, there was a 3 month wait on buggies and carts made by the
Amish, but the craftsmanship is the best and well worth the wait!
They also make harness there, with the same top craftsmanship.
End of comments, for what they are worth.
Jennifer Moore
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
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Date: 4 Apr 88 20:34:57 GMT
From: [email protected] (Holly Chen)
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept, New Haven CT 06520-2158
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Riding boots
Last semester, I began taking riding lessons and I bought boots, breeches,
and a hat so that I could compete in intercollegiate shows. When I bought
my boots, I assumed that I would be able to wear them for several years. It
never occured to me that my legs would get bigger (read muscular, not
fatter, please) with practice, but one would hope that the saleswoman who
sold me the boots would be aware of this possibility. After 4 months of
use, I can't wear my left boot anymore because I cannot pull it over my
calf. I've had them stretched and the stitching on the back is starting to
tear. Can anybody offer me any solutions? It seems wildly unfair that I
would have to sell just-broken-in boots at a loss and give more business to
this tack shop...
- Holly Chen
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Date: 1 Apr 88 18:39:33 GMT
From: [email protected] (James R. Richardson)
Organization: NCR Corporation, E&M San Diego
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Standardbreds
In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (John Wilkes) writes:
>In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Michael B Meyer) writ
>>Is anybody out there interested in Harness Racing (i.e. the breeding,
>>training, and racing of Standardbred horses) ? I am a member of the
>
>How about Thoroughbred horses?
>
>What do you think about this year's crop of three year olds? Do you have
>an early favorite for the Derby?
>
>> [email protected]
>
>-john
>--
>-- @work:
>-- {decwrl,ames,pyramid,prls}!mips!wilkes
>-- OR, for those of great faith:
>-- [email protected]
This years crop of three years old from the west coast do not seem to match
the quality of horses for the east coast. My pick for the Derby is Cherokee
Colony for these reasons: his dosage index is below 4 and he is within 10 lbs.
on the experimental free handicap. Also his sire is Pleasant Colony. I also
like because he will have had only 3 1988 races prior to the Derby: Ferdinand,
Alyseba, and Sunny's Halo were also lightly raced before the Derby. Campo
plans to work CC up to the Wood on 4/23 and after that his next start will
the Derby. CC is a one run horse and if he can get a clear shot in the
stretch he should nail the speed in the race at the wire.
The only west coast that I think has a chance is the filly Winning Colors
but Lukas is undecided whether he'll enter her in the Derby.
Future book odds on CC are 12 could be a good bargain!!!
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| Equestrian Digest Mon 11 Apr 1988 Issue 86
Today's Topics:
Re: Riding boots
question about ponies
Re: Pasture Rotation
Re: Riding boots
Source of harness and carts
Homes for old troopers
Hooved Animal Humane Society
Old Trooper.
Practical Horseman, April 1988
Re: Hooved Animal Humane Society
Re: homes for old troopers
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Date: 5 Apr 88 00:55:32 GMT
From: [email protected] (John B. Nagle)
Organization: Stanford University
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Riding boots
It's possible to have a triangular gusset inserted at the boot seam
to provide some extra width. A friend of mine in L.A. had this done to
a pair of used boots about ten years ago, and was quite happy with the
results.
John Nagle
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Date: Tue, 5 Apr 88 10:05:39 EDT
From: Jan Burruss <[email protected]>
Subject: question about ponies
I have a 2 year old son who loves everything about horses, including sitting up
in the saddle with me for nice, slow walks on our older, calm mares. I hope
he'll be interested in having a pony one day, so I am interested in getting
your opinions on calmer breeds, smaller ponies, tips for pony care and keeping
pony calm for a young rider, etc. (In a recent TV special on the Waleses, I saw
a beautiful pony being ridden by the young princes -- any idea what kind that
one is?)
We leave in the Boston area, if that makes a difference on prices, breeds that
can endure cold weather in outdoor pasure conditions, etc. Thanks!
Jan Burruss
BBN Communications
Cambridge MA
P.S. Although most of you do, it's really helpful and interesting to know where
contributors live when reading their Equestrian Digest entries. If folks don't
mind, please include your location when writing. (Reading those computer
addresses is difficult and uninformative, usually.)
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Date: Wed 6 Apr 88 12:31:24-PST
From: Marsha Jo Hannah <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Pasture Rotation
> I'm trying to figure-out how to divide-up some land to allow for pasture
> rotation. It will be in an inclined area and I feel that it will be
> important to have a reasonable amount of grassy cover on the ground to
> keep it from washing/blowing away in extreme weather.
> Assuming one horse, a year-round growing season (practically), and two
> pasture areas to swap between, how much land would be needed and how often
> would the pastures be swapped and seeded?
> Has anyone out there had to deal with this?? Gary
I'm in the midst of figuring it out, myself. The pastures on our "ranch" in
the Santa Cruz Mtns of coastal Calif range from 10% to 100% grade, with areas
of oak forest, brush patches (poison oak, of course), and several large open
grassy areas. When I just had the donkey plus 3 sheep (which added up to the
hypothetical 1000-lb "animal unit" that range managers talk about--one horse
is considered one animal unit, as is one cow), I found that about 5 acres,
grazed without rotation, came out about even--no one spot was stripped,
there was enough grass left to reseed itself, and the animals were in good
condition. I did, however, have to feed some hay from about October until
February, i.e. before the winter rains got the grass going and when the
grass grew slowly due to short days. Also, the ewes got some grain to help
their lamb production.
When I acquired a horse (not quite 2 years ago), that pasture became
inadequate, so we fenced in another 3-5 acres (an irregular and steep area,
so it's hard to estimate size without a survey). The horse stripped that
area fairly quickly, so I cross-fenced it into 2 pastures and started
sprinkling it to keep grass growing over last summer. About every 2 weeks
(when one pasture started to look chewed but the other one had grown back to
4-6"), I would switch the horse from one pasture to the other and sprinkle
the "fallow" one for 2 weeks. This year, I have also been putting the horse
out into a larger pasture of perhaps 15 very steep acres during the day
several days a week, which seems to be working out better--the grass is
actually getting ahead of the horse. However, the last two years have been
droughts, so I'm working with worst-case experience.
Each year, just after the heavy rains start, I have added annual rye grass
seed, sown with a hand-held "whirligig" seeder, mostly in high traffic areas
or places that gophers had tilled for me. (Rye grass is cheap, and will
sprout well without having to be harrowed into the ground; it also comes up
earlier and stays green longer than the more common "wild" oats in this
area.) I have also heard good things about "dry-land pasture mix" (perennial
rye, clover, and a couple of other grasses), which has to be planted more
formally, but is supposed to reseed itself thereafter, and is claimed to stay
green even during California's dry summers.
My impression is that 2 pastures of 10 acres each should be adequate, and you
might be able to get by with 2 pastures of 5 acres each, depending on slope,
soil type and fertility, etc (horses really tear up steep pastures in the
winter). Rotation should probably be every 2-4 weeks in the growing season
(the objective is to end up with a pasture that looks "tufty" in September,
not neatly clipped like a lawn). Note that this does NOT address the problem
of pasture rotation for worm control. Since horses usually won't eat near
their manure piles, you can increase the usable area and keep the worms down
by regularly picking up manure off of the pasture (if you don't have a
garden, "cultivate" a friend who does).
Marsha Jo Hannah; Star Route 2, Box 403; La Honda, CA 94020
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Date: 5 Apr 88 12:45:52 GMT
From: [email protected] (Jennifer Moore)
Organization: Theory Center, Cornell U., Ithaca NY
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Riding boots
A reputable shoe repair store can insert a triangular piece in the
back seam of the boot which will give added width. I've seen a pair
of boots with this done, and it looks very nice. The keyword here
is "reputable" shoe repair store. Ask them if they've done this
before, and maybe even ask to see the insert before it's sewn in,
to be sure it's a good match to the boot leather.
I had a slightly diffferent problem with my boots. My leg is long,
so I needed a tall boot, but could only find them in slim calf width.
So I special ordered a pair through a good tack shop in tall and wide
calf. Since I couldn't get my leg into any of the boots in stock, I
had to guess at the correct shoe size! The boots came in, and fit
fine except that the top of the boot was wide and bulky. So I took
them to a good shoe repair store (on a recommendation from the friend
who'd had the inserts put into his boots), and had them taken in at
the top. They split the back seam halfway down, cut a triangular
piece out, and stitched them back together. They did an excellent
job! The only problem now is that my left boot is tighter because
I had the boots tapered only 6 months after I got a cast off my leg,
and the muscles apparently weren't back to normal yet! :) Live and
learn!
Jennifer Moore
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
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From: [email protected]
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 88 01:32:48 CST
Subject: Source of harness and carts
Sue Watkins asked where she might find inexpensive equipment for driving.
One source is a mail order house named Chick's. They have rubber tired
carts for about $300 and nylon driving harness for under $90. Leather
harness is a bit over $100 for pony size. They will send a catalog if
you call and request it. Toll free number is 800-441-8444. I have
not ordered from them, but have found them informative over the phone.
They are located in Harrington, Delaware and they have a regular and
harness catalog available.
Here in Minnesota used harness is sold regularly at local horse and tack
auctions for about half the cost of new stuff. I don't drive but those
at the barn where I board who do say that you have to know what you are
doing or you can get stuck with junk (they also say that some days there
are very good bargains).
Sue sounded as though she believed that the equestrians on the net think
she won't be careful when she takes her daughter driving. Actually, Sue,
we know you are concerned about her welfare, but there are hundreds and
with the Digest turning into a net potentially thousands of people who
are reading this material. Some, like Joyce Andrews and that Fjord pony
have gone, done, been and seen everything. Others have far less experience.
Horses, as their owners rapidly discover, are big, timid, clumsy animals.
Its so easy to get hurt through carelessness. So, if you feel that the
equestrian readers are warning you about what you already know about, remember
that they are also warning other people, so of whom know less than others.
And with horses, caution is always a good idea.
Robin Crickman ...ihnp4!bungia!foundln!robin
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From: [email protected]
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 88 01:33:02 CST
Subject: Homes for old troopers
Lauren needs a home for her old trooper and asked about possibilities.
I have worked with a local handicapped riding program and can assure
her that a healthy 20-year-old would be ordinary in such a group. The
Cloud 9 program in Minnesota teaches wheelchair and similarly handicapped
children and adults as well as mentally and physically handicapped kids.
The horses are led almost all the time and may have two people walking
beside the horse to hold the rider on. They work for about 3 hours twice
a week and mostly walk and do four or five circuits of the indoor arena
at a trot in the course of an hour. The speed of the trot is limited by
the fact that the human leader and side walkers have to keep up. This
is not demanding work for a horse. Most riders are under 100 pounds.
These horses never canter under saddle. The most important skill of the
horse is to remain calm under any condition. It helps if they are short
because it can be difficult for a side walker to reach high enough to
hold the rider.
Another possible home would be in a group home for troubled teens. I know
that one local group likes to have donated horses because the kids like
to have a horse to use and the care of the horse is an excellent way to
teach responsibility. A call to your local social services agencies will
probably direct you to possible recipients. Or you could ask if the
local 4-H knows of a deserving kid who would like to have a horse but can't
afford one. The county extension service will be able to put you in touch
with the 4-H. Finally, you might call a few riding instruction programs
in your area and see if anyone wants a free lease of your horse to use
her in a riding instruction program. I know of one program that is always
looking for horses in my area.
Robin Crickman ...ihnp4!bungia!foundln!robin
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Date: 7 Apr 88 03:52:41 GMT
From: [email protected] (Benson)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories - Naperville, Illinois
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Hooved Animal Humane Society
This posting is about the Ill. Hooved Animal Humane Society. I let
this posting go net wide because there maybe someone outside of
Illinois who would be interested in starting a similer organization.
It might also lend help to a poor abused animal by bringing to
light the need for more caring people who can help.
If you are not interested in reading about this wonderful group of
people, please just skip the article. Don't send flames because I
Being that they deal mostly with abused horses I thought this news group was
the most appropriate place to post this. Because we ALL love our horses.
The following is information about the woman who started the society and
what it does to help abused animals. Some of the information is copied
without permission from one of their letters and from a newsletter titled
"HOOFPRINTS".
In 1971, Donna Ewing was looking for a horse for her daughter. What she
found was shocking -- broodmares and foals starving in dirty stalls.
When she approached authorities (everyone from the local police to the
Anti-cruelty Society) no one had the authority or the ability to do anything
about it. Donna along with a man named Al Olson decided now was the time to
start a organization that could find a way of dealing with the kinds of
abuse cases they had witnessed. "Dogs and cats get help," says Donna,
"Why shouldn't the large animals? They're the silent victims. They can't say
anything. Before IHAHS, they stood and died silently in barns".
"Most cases of horse abuse stem from ignorance and involve 'backyard horses',
horses bought for pleasure and status that owners -- or their children -
don't necessarily know how to care for. More than 90% of the work we do is
educational," Only rarely, when in the opinion of a qualified veterinarian
an animal's life is in danger, is an animal taken away fron an abusive
owner, a procedure that is legal thanks to reforms in state laws governing
humane treatment that the society itself helped bring about in 1973.
Of course, there are exceptions, puzzling instances of wanton cruelty. Ewing
recalls from several years ago a racehorse owned by a South Barrington resident
who, in a fit of pique because the horse was not a winner, confined it to
a paddock and proceeded to starve it to death.
Humane work is not just working with animals, but with people as well.
The IHAHS receives no federal or state support. They depend entirely on
contributions. Using donations and membership fees, the society pays and
arranges for transportation, temporary shelter, veterinarian care, medicine,
special feed and supplements necessary to restore impounded animals to
good health. The Society also provides horse slings and other equipment to
treat horses too weak from starvation to stand alone. They sometimes run up
legal bills when occasionally they take owners to court, where they have not
lost a case in 14 years. Tho it relies on volunteer investigators --
knowledgeable horse people approved by the state -- it pays the local vets
who examine cases for intervention. When it can, it also pays the extra
feed bills incurred by investigators who provide foster homes. Horses under
the society's care are made available for adoption once they regain their
health.
I am a member of IHAHS and support what they are trying to do. I won't
depress you by reciting any more stories of abuse and starvation. But if
anyone would like more information on the society I can send a fact sheet
that goes into more detail about the society. I know some of you reading
this are outside of Illinois, but maybe you feel there is a need for
a hooved animal humane society in your area and need information on how to
start one. Or maybe there are some of you who have extra space in your barn
and could provide a foster home, or maybe you might be interested in
becoming an investigator. Of course money is always needed but there are
other ways to help too. For further information into any of the above items
write to or call -----------
Hooved Animal Humane Society
P.O. Box 262
Barrington, Il. 60011-0262
312-381-5563
Pam Benson ihlpa!pkb
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Date: 8 Apr 88 02:24:12 GMT
From: [email protected] (James Anderson)
Organization: Carnegie-Mellon University, CS/RI
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Old Trooper.
I am posting this just in case I can't reach you soon enough. I have
In-Laws (sort of since I'm seperated) that keep horses and are probably very
interested. DON'T SEND THAT HORSE TO OSU. I've heard too many horror
stories about that place.
Jim
--
"Some people I've gamed with become close friends, others are like something
I'd scrape off my shoe." Mike Sellers
uucp: ...!seismo!k.gp.cs.cmu.edu!jwa ARPA: [email protected]
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From: [email protected]
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 88 01:34:09 CST
Subject: Practical Horseman, April 1988
Here is another magazine table of contents. Statements in [ ] are my
additions. Feel free to send queries if you want to know more about a
particular listed item, I'll try to assist.
Robin Crickman, [email protected]
Practical Horseman (Volume 16, number 4) April, 1988
FEATURES
Paul Valliere. Upgrading Your Round. How to turn a just-OK performance
into a winning trip...a program you can follow at home, from a top-winning
hunter-jumper trainer.
Stable Plans. Having It His Way. Horseshoer Chris Brighoff gave new meaning
to the term "do-it-yourself" when he built this ten-stall-stable-and-apartment
complex.
Stable Skills. How To Make Your Crossties Safe. Following some simple
principles, you can maximize the efficiency of your crossties while minimizing
the hazards.
Getting Help From The Head Doctor. For the horse that's normal in every
way except.... Part One: Help for Your Horse.
Step-By-Step. Conditioning Your Horse. Whatever your horse's line of
work, this four-part series will provide you with a safe, efficient program
for bringing him to his physical peak. Part Three: Karen Lende on preparing
event horses.
DEPARTMENTS
Jumping Clinic with George Morris [regular feature wherein Morris criticizes
riders from photographs they send in]
Saddle Ways and Bridle Whys. Dressage rider Kathy Connelly teaches a technique
for stretching to the bit; Linda Tellinton-Jones with exercises to focus
a horse's attention; reiner Bryant Pace on stopping straight.
What Do You Do? You come to a stream and your horse won't cross.
Forum. How do you cope with a horse that shies? Tips from dressage rider
Carole Grant, western trainer Charlie Hutton, and animal behaviorist
Katherine Houpt.
Idea Exchange [Wear old leg warmers over riding boots at a show. Remove
warmers just before entering ring; boots will stay clean and will be given
final polish by warmer removal.]
Confirmation Clinic with Champ Hough [3 warmblood colts]
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Date: 8 Apr 88 14:25:14 GMT
From: [email protected] (Joyce Andrews)
Organization: AT&T Consumer Products, Indianapolis
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Hooved Animal Humane Society
>
> This posting is about the Ill. Hooved Animal Humane Society. I let
> this posting go net wide because there maybe someone outside of
> Illinois who would be interested in starting a similer organization.
.....and more information about the
> Hooved Animal Humane Society
>
> Pam Benson ihlpa!pkb
Pam, you mentioned that nobody else had the authority to do
anything about cruelty to large animals. In Ohio, the humane
societies have authority for ALL animals, including domestic farm
and wild animals, with the help of the wildlife folks. When I
was a humane agent in Ohio I went on many horse calls simply
because I was the agent most familiar with horses. We even took
some away from their owners, or, as you mentioned, educated
owners about foot care and feeding, etc. In one case we helped
an owner find a new home for the horse and find social help for
the family. OFTEN, horse cruelty matters were handled with
kindness to the onwers, who simply didn't know any better or
didn't have the means to keep a horse. I was once called to the
farm of a prominent attorney, whose wife was my student at the
local hunt stable, and found one horse dead of starvation and one
almost dead. We took the horses away from them. A large Arabian
barn in the area has been a problem for years...they seem to know
the state laws anc kept a minimum standard (grain and hay and
water) if they knew we were coming. I finally set the Arabian
Society on them...they cleaned up their act. I often had a
"cruelty case" in my barn, waiting for the trial. I often made
them 4-H projects, under my supervision in my 4-H club, and with
legal approval, of course.
One time I was called to a farm where a skin-and-bones horse
stood in a field with no grass. It turned out to be the farm of
an ex groom. The horse was 35 years old, and an old track friend
of the groom. The horse ate OK, but his digestive system was getting
old. The old groom fed him mash three times a day and took
better care of that old race horse than I did of my kids. So you
have to be flexible, and ready to bow out if the situation is not
what you expected.
Anyway, it just surprised me that Illinois humane agents to not
have jurisdiction over animals other than dogs and cats. We
raided a cock fight one night...can you imagine 83
fight-for-blood roosters in cages in the local pound? They are
so mean you can't even walk close to a cage without being
speared! We were about ready to give them back to their owners
just to get some peace and quiet, but their owners were in
jail....
--
Joyce Andrews King
ihnp4!inuxd!jla
AT&T, Indianapolis
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Date: 8 Apr 88 18:58:46 GMT
From: [email protected] (Wendy Milner)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Ft. Collins CO
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: homes for old troopers
Placing your horse in a handicap program sounds great.
Their greatest need is for a quiet horse. They usually
don't care about anything else. As long as the horse
will stand still when a wheelchair bangs into a leg,
or crutches fall against it, they are happy. However,
they don't always have to money to keep the horse
themselves. What they are looking for is an owner
who will not only donate the horse, but also the
board for the horse. It depends on the organization.
I wish you luck in finding a good home.
Wendy
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| 77.61 | Equestrian Digest Issue #87 | LDP::BELANGER | KA1RML/KT : 145.09/147.45 | Thu May 05 1988 14:28 | 505 |
| Equestrian Digest Thu 28 Apr 1988 Issue 87
Today's Topics:
Re: Hooved Animal Humane Society
Re: Source of harness and carts
re Old Trooper and Hooved Animals Humane Society
ponies + pasture + accident
Western Pleasure Filly For Sale
Dressage in the Wine Country
Man From Snowy River
BUCKEYE
re: Home for Spook
Practical Horseman, May 1988
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Date: 11 Apr 88 22:29:07 GMT
From: Benson <[email protected]>
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories - Naperville, Illinois
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Hooved Animal Humane Society
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Joyce Andrews) writes:
> Pam, you mentioned that nobody else had the authority to do
> anything about cruelty to large animals. In Ohio, the humane
> societies have authority for ALL animals, including domestic farm
That was also in 1971. Laws have changed alot since then. The HAHS has been
paramont in changing a lot of them. But that was why Donna Ewing started
the society, because at the time these people didn't have the authority.
I think quite a few states have changed their thinking and have made their
humane societys responsible for all animals. One of the things that has
changed not too long ago was the fact that an inspector can come on the
property without a warrent. That has been a big help in investigating
cases. They still are not allowed to go into a locked barn without a
sheriff or local police officer, nor are they allowed to go into a home.
There is a story about a guy in Tinley Park, Il. who put a starving arab
weanling in his basement so Donna couldn't see it. Thru a stable informant
she found out the foal was FINALLY being taken care of and being fed. Thru
this same informant Donna made periodic checks. Tho I'm curious as how he
planned to get him out when he got bigger.
> and wild animals, with the help of the wildlife folks. When I
> was a humane agent in Ohio I went on many horse calls simply
> because I was the agent most familiar with horses. We even took
> some away from their owners, or, as you mentioned, educated
> owners about foot care and feeding, etc. In one case we helped
I'm glad that you were able to be an investegator. We need more people
like you. I'm not qualified 'yet' to be a state investegator but my girl
friend is for Dekalb Co., Il. I went with her on one case where someone
complained of starving cattle. We did find the cattle but it was quite
a treck to a back field that had been picked clean of any food and we
did find a couple of bodies. What had happend was that a bank had taken
the cattle from a guy until he paid some debts he owed them, so I guess
he figured he wasn't going to feed them until the bank gave them back.
He was warned and decided it was easier to feed his cattle than to go to
jail.
> an owner find a new home for the horse and find social help for
> the family. OFTEN, horse cruelty matters were handled with
> kindness to the onwers, who simply didn't know any better or
> didn't have the means to keep a horse. I was once called to the
MOST cases involve people who don't know what they are getting into when
they buy a horse. All they know is that they eat hay or grass and some
oats. There are many stories like of the couple who bought a small weekend
farm and kept 2 horses. When they left Sunday they would give their horses
5 bukets of water and 4 bales of hay to last them thru the week. They
honestly thought that was enough. I had to put my first horse down due to
a foot injury he sustained when his 1st owner (a 10 yr. old girl) started
jumping him when he was only a 1 year old. I didn't find out the whole story
until I had to put him down. He was only 3. At the time I bought him he
was not lame and past a vet check (didn't have xrays done). After I bought
him, he got better feed and started growing and then went lame because
his coffin bone was 1/3 its' normal size and couldn't support his weight.
We need to educatate more of these people as to the care and feeding of
horses if they are going to own them.
> One time I was called to a farm where a skin-and-bones horse
> stood in a field with no grass. It turned out to be the farm of
> an ex groom. The horse was 35 years old, and an old track friend
> of the groom. The horse ate OK, but his digestive system was getting
> old. The old groom fed him mash three times a day and took
> better care of that old race horse than I did of my kids. So you
There is an 'oldtimer' near my friends farm too. The owners also give him lots
of TLC. They also get reported about once a year, but the society know of them
and usually explain to the people calling it in about the age of the horse.
> Anyway, it just surprised me that Illinois humane agents to not
> have jurisdiction over animals other than dogs and cats. We
> raided a cock fight one night...can you imagine 83
Things may have changed since 1971 when the HAHS was started. But at the time
I guess they were unable to help. I have only been a member for a couple of
years so I don't know from personal experience what it was like.
> --
> Joyce Andrews King
> ihnp4!inuxd!jla
> AT&T, Indianapolis
Pam Benson ihlpa!pkb
St. Charles, Il.
Bell Labs, Naperville.
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Date: 12 Apr 88 17:03:22 GMT
From: [email protected] (Jennifer Moore)
Organization: Theory Center, Cornell U., Ithaca NY
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Source of harness and carts
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] writes:
> Sue Watkins asked where she might find inexpensive equipment for driving.
> One source is a mail order house named Chick's. They have rubber tired
I do the majority of my equestrian buying through catalogs, and I do
NOT recommend using Chick's... unless you want to wait 2-3 months for
backordered items. I recommend Libertyville Tack Shop in Illinois,
Stateline Tack Shop in New Hampshire, or National Bridle in Tennessee.
I receive orders within 5 working days from these places, customer
service is *excellent*, and prices are low. If anyone is interested
in addresses, I'd be glad to forward them through e-mail.
Jennifer Moore
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
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Date: 12 Apr 88 12:40:49 GMT
From: [email protected] (Joyce Andrews)
Organization: AT&T Consumer Products, Indianapolis
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: re Old Trooper and Hooved Animals Humane Society
First, the humane society posting:
Pam, I am not criticizing what the Illinois Hooved Animals
Society is doing. I was just surprised that the regular state
society did not have jurisdiction over large animals. You
mentioned that the society was started in 1971, and that's why
the state didn't have the jurisdiction. That's just the time I'm
talking about---early 1970's to early 1980's when I was a humane
agent in Ohio. I'm glad that someone is doing the work in
Illinois, and I'm glad that Ohio was well ahead of other states.
I now live in Florida, and this message comes to you via Indiana,
so this is becoming a national posting.
Anyway, one more comment and I'll quit beating the dead horse, so
to speak. An important element in humane work is the COUNTY
humane society. If the county society is not strong, state work
is often obstructed. Much state work was doen through the county
I lived in because we were so good at getting convictions in
court. But it requires dedication, and one person can't do it
all. You need people working together, getting along with each
other, and having similar reasons for volunteering. Once I was
chased across a field by a farmer (he was in his pickup truck and
had a shotgun). I think he would have killed me. I also think
he may still be in jail, thank you very much. Paybacks are hell.
But without the support of my fellow volunteers, it would have
been really easy to give it up.
Now, about Old Trooper. Once important element hasn't been
mentioned. When you give Old Trooper away to anybody, you lose
control. What THEY do with Old Trooper when he gets sick or lame
remains to be seen. Now you are again talking OSU or the zoo or
(shudder) starving to death somewhere. When I retired old
troopers to somewhere else, I retained ownership. Or, I made the
decision to either put the animal down or be responsible for the
animal's care for the rest of his life. You are responsible for
Old Trooper because he has given you service. Be sure that the
person you give him to will be responsible, too, or don't give
him away. If you can't take care of him until he dies, and can't
find someone else who you *KNOW* will, it is kinder to put him
down than throw him to the wolves. I have seen MANY old horses
put out to pasture in some farmer's field and allowed to die,
crippled and half starving. Or spending his final minutes
hanging from a meat hook in a dog food slaughter house. It's a
reality of life...and if you don't want that to happen to your
particular friend, don't give up ownership until he's dead.
(At a certain advanced age, people are allowed to be cynical and
outspoken...look it up in your geriatric bylaws)
--
Joyce Andrews King
ihnp4!inuxd!jla
AT&T, Indianapolis
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Date: Wed 13 Apr 88 13:37:05-PST
From: Marsha Jo Hannah <[email protected]>
Subject: ponies + pasture + accident
First of all, let me second Jan Burruss' request for location information in
Equestrian Digest entries. As the recent series of articles in EQUUS
magazine points up, horse-keeping differs greatly in the various parts of
this country. For example, I was skeptical about the ED contributer who said
he could haul 20-25 bales of hay on his Ford Ranger, until I realized those
were probably the little 2-wire bales common in the east; western 3-wire
bales weigh 90-130 lb each, depending on type of hay.
As for ponies, I'm a firm believer in the Norwegian Fjord pony--calm, quiet,
friendly, an easy keeper, and "designed" to survive the worst of winters
outdoors; however, they are big (13-15 hands). It is very hard to find a
good, small pony (Shetland size), simply because kids tend to spoil them, and
they're not big enough for an adult to ride to "straighten them out"
periodically. Frankly, I think a small child is better off riding a small
horse (or big pony) which you also ride from time to time. So what if he
will need a leg up--you'll want to supervise his riding carefully, anyway.
Yes, it's further to fall, but a horse is more likely to work at staying under
a young rider, where a small pony will plot how to unload one.
On pastures, the "carrying capacity" of a piece of land depends on a great
many factors, all of which vary greatly from site to site, even in the same
area. Your best bet is to contact your local Agricultural Agent (in
California, they're listed in the phone book under County Government Offices,
Co-operative Extension, University of California). They have many helpful
pamphlets available on many subjects (farming, ranching, gardening, canning,
etc), including one pamphlet on managing horse pastures. In addition, you
can make an appointment to have one of the field agents come out and look at
the property, to give you a specific estimate of how many head of stock it
will carry, how to improve the pasture, what poisonous weeds you have, etc.
I totally agree with Robin Crickman's comments about the varying experience
levels of Equestrian Digest readers, and the difficulty of addressing comments
to exactly the level of each person posing a question. Given the brevity
of most submissions, it is often hard (especially for a newcomer like me) to
tell just how much a person already knows. My philosophy is that giving too
much information is safer than too little. From the receiving end, and being
a relative equestrian novice, I appreciate all the little tips that I find in
ED--they often fill in gaps I didn't even know existed in my knowledge! And,
when you get right down to it, I doubt there is anyone who knows EVERYTHING
about horses.
For example, a friend of mine recently learned the hard way about a hidden
danger in a wide-spread trailering practice. For years, she had tied each of
her horses in by its lead rope, using a simple quick-release knot. However,
this time, one of the feed doors on the trailer popped open, and the draft
from the ajar door sucked the loose end of the rope out of the manger, so it
dangled down the side of the trailer. Eventually, the wheel of the trailer
ran over the end of the rope; the forward motion of the trailer then had the
effect of vigorously reeling the rope out the open door, which finished
untying the quick-release knot. As the reeling effect continued, the horse's
head was jerked violently forward, smashing his mouth into the tie ring at
the front of the trailer; he then reared, which ripped the tie ring out of
the trailer wall. The trailer tire continued reeling on the rope, which now
jerked the horse's head sideways, into the framework around the feed door.
My friend pulled over as soon as she felt the horse jumping around;
fortunately by then the rope had snapped. Her horse had 3 upper incisors
broken off at the gum line and a nasty cut next to his eye, but my friend
feels lucky that he didn't lose an eye or have his neck broken, and that he
apparently did not associate his pain with the trailer, as he has continued
to load dependably and ride quietly. Needless to say, my friend has modified
her trailering practices somewhat. She now completely removes the lead rope
from each animal; instead, she ties her animals in with short, premade
trailer ties that have panic snaps on one end. She has also added hasps to
all of her trailer doors, as well as a snap to secure each hasp shut while in
transit.
I think Murphy must have been a horseman---anything that can go wrong, will!
Marsha Jo Hannah, Star Route 2, Box 403, La Honda, CA 94020
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Date: 14 Apr 88 15:34:40 GMT
From: [email protected] (Moe Bradley)
Organization: Analysis & Technogy's Embedded Computer Group, New London, CT
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Western Pleasure Filly For Sale
Wishupon Gembayri
(Stinda Bay Sinay x Wishupon Tiragem)
4-year-old registered Half-Arabian filly for
sale. In training with Mert Sartre since
April 1987. Placed in CT, New England
and Region XVI Halter futurities.
Ready to show under saddle this year.
Delightful personality--loves attention,
very willing, trusting, really tries to
please. She would be a super pal for an
and excellent show horse for an amateur-owner
or youth.
She is bay, and will mature to 15+ hands.
(In fact, she's just shy of that now).
She's pretty, too!
Breeding is Bay Abi++ on sire side, and Serafix
on dam side, with some Saddlebred back a few
generations.
Must sell due to National Show Horse on
show string with Jim and Peter Stachowski.
I don't have the time/money to put into
her, and I can't bear for her to just
stand around--she's too good for that.
Asking $5,000. Good home essential.
Contact Maureen Bradley
Wishupon Farm
North Stonington, CT 06359
(203) 535-4155
or
Mert Sartre
Hy-Tyme Stable
Ledyard, CT
(203) 536-6450.
PHOTOS, PEDIGREE, AND/OR VIDEO AVAILABLE.
(Better yet, come see her! She's a doll.)
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Date: 26 Apr 88 18:08:56 GMT
From: [email protected] (Gale Snow, WSD Desktop Software)
Subject: Dressage in the Wine Country
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Dressage in the Wine Country - classical dressage riding to music,
*featuring* international level dressage riders, grand prix jumping,
vaulting, and stallion parades.
Dressage in the Wine Country will be held in conjunction with the
6th Annual Sporthorse Breeders Show.
Saturday, June 4, 1988
Chris Beck Arena, Sonoma County Fairgrounds, Santa Rosa, California.
An elegant & enjoyable evening opening with wine tasting and cheese.
5:30 - 7:30pm wine tasting.
8:00pm performances.
Trade Fair - tack, art, books, & more.
General Admission $13.00 adults, $7.00 under 21.
Reserved Seating $18.00.
Reserved Balcony $15.00.
Ticket Information - 707 833 5080
General Information - 707 585 3113
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Date: 26 Apr 88 19:43:54 GMT
From: [email protected] (Deitrick)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories - Naperville, Illinois
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Man From Snowy River
>Now to the point of this posting. Do you remember the great scene in
>THE MAN FROM SNOWY RIVER when the hero rode his mountain pony almost
>straight down the side of a mountain? (This isn't a spoiler since it
>was in the trailer for the movie.) The friend I saw RETURN TO SNOWY
>RIVER with said that horses can't really do that, and the moviemakers
>were just faking. This view has somewhat tarnished my childlike faith
>in all things horse and Australian, so I choose not to believe him.
>However, can any of you verify whether the horse did or did not really
>gallop down the side of the mountain? (or whether this is routinely
>done in Australia?)
> Karen Williams
I have heard conflicting stories about this. My original opinion was that
it was all camera angles and movie trickery. I mentioned that to a Montana
cowboy and he said that it could be done as shown in the movie. He cited
an incident he had either seen or participated in (I forget which).
A professional horse trainer of my acquaintance said that it couldn't be
done because the horse would lose it's balance too quickly. My own experience
with galloping a horse for fun and conditioning leads me to agree - even on
level ground, a galloping horse can quickly get too much weight over the front
legs, which makes it very susceptible to falling. On a steep slope, that
tendency to 'get on the forehand' would be even greater. The result is the
horse can easily go ass over antlers, which is not the kind of thing you
want to have happen twice in one day.
Carl Deitrick
ihnp4!ihuxv!cbd
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Date: 26 Apr 88 19:29:02 GMT
From: [email protected] (Moe Bradley)
Organization: Analysis & Technogy's Embedded Computer Group, New London, CT
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: BUCKEYE
Can anyone tell me :
1) Where the Ohio State Fairgrounds are located?
2) A decent hotel/motel in that area.
I am an exhibitor at the Buckeye for the first time, and am not
familiar with the show, except that I'm really excited to be going!!
Anyone in the area during the last week in May, please stop by and
cheer for my NSH colt, Blues in the Nite. He will be shown by either
Jimmy or Peter Stachowski, and the Buckeye is his first outing.
BTW, if anyone has an "extra" prize list for this show, please let me
know--they have been tough to get this year.
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Date: Wednesday, 27 Apr 88 13:06:39 EDT
From: lmschneider (Lauren Schneider) @ laurel.psy.cmu.edu
Subject: re: Home for Spook
Thanks to everyone who suggested possible homes for dear old Spook. It turns
out that a loving family with a farm and in the market for a first horse
appeared out of nowhere (it seemed) to give Spook a good home. They have three
children and spent an afternoon riding and grooming and witnessing all of her
vices, and fell in love with her. Three weeks later, she's enjoying lots of
love and attention and I couldn't be happier. I also learned a LOT about
donation options and handicapped riding programs, one of which I'm joining as a
volunteer.
An additional note is that my new horse Myriah and I are getting along famously
and I feel good about my decision. Again, thanks to everyone for your concern
and advice!
Lauren
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From: [email protected]
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 88 08:06:20 CDT
Subject: Practical Horseman, May 1988
Here is another magazine table of contents. Statements in [ ] are my
additions. Feel free to send queries if you want to know more about a
particular listed item, I'll try to assist.
Robin Crickman, [email protected]
Practical Horseman (Volume 16,number 5) May, 1988
FEATURES
Robert Dover: Taking On Europe. Winning in Europe was a feat that seemed
"off limits" to US dressage riders. But this talented American describes
how he managed a breakthrough.
Judging Confirmation The Team Way. If you want to sharpen your eye for
a horse, try the systematic approach this author uses to teach her winning
4-H team the technique of conformation analysis.
Stable Skills. How To Turn Out A Hard-To-Turn-Out Horse. If your horse
has a dangerous habit of breaking away before you release him, there are
two ways you can go about correcting the problem.
Getting Help From The Head Doctor. Part Two: Last month, we told you how
to get help for your horse. This month it's time to help you-know-who...
Step-By-Step. Conditioning Your Horse. Whatever your horse's line of
work, this four-part series will provide you with a safe, efficient program
for bringing him to his physical peak. Part Three: Karen Lende--Preparing
Event Horses (conclusion).
DEPARTMENTS
Confirmation Clinic with Champ Hough [TB mare, QH mare, QH/TB cross mare]
What Do You Do? You give your horse a shot and he collapses.
Saddle Ways and Bridle Whys. Rider Dana Doublass Jungherr with a method
for producing clean flying changes; Midge Leitch, VMD, details a conditioning
program to tighten loose stifles; trainer Darlene Beesley teaches a horse
to sidepass.
Forum. How do you deal with a ring-sour horse? Tips from trainers Fran
Dotoli, Pete Kyle, and Pam Goodrich.
Idea Exchange [When wrapping a tail to help it grow, put baling twine into
wrap so horse will still have a fly swatter]
Jumping Clinic with George Morris [regular feature wherein Morris criticizes
riders from photographs they send in]
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| 77.62 | Equestrian Digest Issue #88 | LDP::BELANGER | KA1RML/KT : 145.09/147.45 | Tue May 17 1988 11:00 | 455 |
| Equestrian Digest Tue 17 May 1988 Issue 88
Today's Topics:
Introduction
Re: BUCKEYE
Re: Man From Snowy River
Re: BUCKEYE
Stunt Horse in "Snowy River"
Man From Snowy River
Return to Snowy River
Re: Return to Snowy River
Re: Return to Snowy River
Incredible feats
Man From Snowy River
DUDE RANCH INFO
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Date: 29 Apr 88 17:04:00 EST
From: "ARTIC::LINEBERRY" <lineberry%[email protected]>
Subject: Introduction
Reply-To: "ARTIC::LINEBERRY" <lineberry%[email protected]>
Hello!
My name is Jeff Lineberry. My wife, Donna, and I live in
Apple Valley, California. We have 4 registered arabians, 3
stallions and 1 mare. I am a newcomer to the equine world, while
my wife has been working with them for about 20 years. My wife
has been involved in many different areas of the arabian world.
She owned a company called Sho-En which in the 1970's was doing
most of the horse show programs and accounting as well as being
Show Secretary for the IAHA. She has been out of that for a
while now. I was introduced to horses when I met Donna and have
enjoyed then thoroughly. The weather is just starting to get
decent enough where we can go riding again. I am hoping to learn
more about horses but have been hindered by my work location. I
work out at Ft. Irwin, which is a 75 mile drive to and from work.
By the time I get home in the evening, I don't have much time to
spend with the horses before I retire for the evening. I am
hoping to move my work location closer to my home soon. I really
don't know what else to talk about, except that I have just read
the most recent edition of your newsletter and enjoyed all of it.
Sincerely,
Jeff & Donna
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Date: 28 Apr 88 16:15:42 GMT
From: [email protected] (Steve Frysinger of Blue Feather Farm)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Subject: Re: BUCKEYE
>
> Can anyone tell me :
>
> 1) Where the Ohio State Fairgrounds are located?
Northern part of Columbus, not too far off of I-71 (that is the
one that goes north/south right through Columbus, right?). For
the state fair, the interstate is marked; probably there are
permanent "Fair Grounds" signs on it.
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Date: 28 Apr 88 16:47:26 GMT
From: [email protected] (Adrienne Regard)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Organization: Citicorp/TTI, Santa Monica
Subject: Re: Man From Snowy River
In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Deitrick) writes:
>>Now to the point of this posting. Do you remember the great scene in
>>THE MAN FROM SNOWY RIVER when the hero rode his mountain pony almost
>>straight down the side of a mountain? >I mentioned that to a Montana
>cowboy and he said that it could be done as shown in the movie. He cited
>an incident he had either seen or participated in (I forget which).
Um, well, I can't say I've tried it myself anytime lately, but there is
a "suicide race" each year (New Mexico? I don't remember where exactly)
wherein any number of riders charge down quite a slope in something of a
hurry. Lose a couple horses each year, and have lost a rider or two as
well. But they keep doing it.
My guess on the MAN FROM SNOWY RIVER is that they are using a slope, but
they also are using a camera angle. You can't entirely fake one by the
use of the other, but you can exagerate it. Check how fully the horse
has to engage it's hindquarters to get some idea.
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Date: 29 Apr 88 12:58:42 GMT
From: [email protected] (Joyce Andrews)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Organization: AT&T Consumer Products, Indianapolis
Subject: Re: BUCKEYE
> Can anyone tell me :
>
> 1) Where the Ohio State Fairgrounds are located?
>
> 2) A decent hotel/motel in that area.
>
> I am an exhibitor at the Buckeye for the first time, and am not
> familiar with the show, except that I'm really excited to be going!!
> Anyone in the area during the last week in May, please stop by and
> cheer for my NSH colt, Blues in the Nite. He will be shown by either
> Jimmy or Peter Stachowski, and the Buckeye is his first outing.
> BTW, if anyone has an "extra" prize list for this show, please let me
> know--they have been tough to get this year.
Oh, God, did that bring back memories...late nights in the barns,
vet checks, FILTHY children, clean horses, etc. The first time
my daughter showed at Ohio State Fair I was so nervous I couldn't
eat for three days. After her last class I walked down the
midway and bought something to eat at EVERY booth on the
midway...Italian sausage, pizza, cotton candy, ice cream, Belgian
waffles, salt water taffy, etc. I was almost too sick to drive
back to Cincinnati.
Anyway, the Fair Grounds are north of Columbus just west of I-71.
Reserve rooms NOW. I don't remember names of motels, but there
are a lot of them around. You travel agent or the AA book should
show what ones are close to the grounds. Motels near Ohio State
Campus (High Street) are pretty close. You will be asked to park
your trailer in a big field after unloading your horse. The
traffic control is planned, unlike Indianapolis where the 500
comes as a surprise to Indy police every year (uh..what are all
these cars doing here?). You will be allowed so much time to
unload your trailer and get the h**l out of the barn area. The
barns are nice. Showers are provided in the barns. Showers are
clean (or, at least, they used to be).
You'll want the NORTH I-75 exit to go to the barns. It's the
same exit as the one to the Ohio State Natural History Museum and
the Ohio State Village. Go West a couple of blocks. Turn left
to unload your horse (believe me, you can't get lost...OSHP won't
let you go ANYWHERE you shouldn't be).
After you've unloaded and dropped the trailer in the trailer
parking grounds and put the little guy to bed, go west on the
same road as the north entrance of the Fair Grounds. Go to HIgh
Street. Turn left. On your left almost immediately is a pizza
place with the best pizza you have ever stuffed in your mouth. I
can't remember the name of it, but that's how you get there.
I know this is not of interest to all of you, but I wanted to use
this as a vehicle to tell you all how much I love reading your
postings and remembering the shows and the troubles and the joys
and the smell of manure. I sit here in my o5
om (oops, noise), overlooking the ocean (I'm in the Florida Keys,
but my login is in Indy), and I don't believe there is a horse
within 50 miles. So I read this group, and the mailings from
Ken, who still keeps me on the mail list in spite of the fact
that I don't have anything new to input, and remember how it
feels to braid a tail at 4:30 am.
--
Joyce Andrews King
ihnp4!inuxd!jla
AT&T, Indianapolis
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Date: 29 Apr 88 15:56:59 GMT
From: [email protected] (Anderson)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories - Naperville, Illinois
Subject: Stunt Horse in "Snowy River"
has bred and trained quarter horses and also captured and broken
wild mustangs. After we saw _Return to Snowy River_, we discussed
the cliff ride. Don said, "if you want to get a *quarter horse* to
try that you might as well dream on."
However, he was certain that a horse of wild stock that grew up
in rough terrain would be able to do the stunt. He said mustangs
are faster and hardier than spoiled domestic horses. Effort was of
wild mountain stock and was accustomed to rocks and mountains. Don
thought the wild horse scenes were very realistic. "Wild mustangs
will run right over rocks through the canyons, just like that", he
said.
Don has a lot of mustang stories, too, like the stallion that
noone could catch who kept running off everybody's mares. He
always used to steal the young ones, and expensive quarter horses as
well as mustangs used to follow him. (Fences are not always
effective on the res.) They had one mare who used to go back to the
wild stallion no matter how many times they recovered her.
Finally she and her foal disappeared altogether.
Then there was the mustang who could never be saddle broken, and
another one who could be ridden, but refused to stop once she got
going! There was only one way to get off of her - jump!
Quarter horses are worth more money, but I know one Navajo who
loves the mustangs better. :-)
By the way, Don is an artist who does excellent horse portraits
from photographs, so if anyone is interested in seeing his or her
horse in oil or pastels, send email, or call 312-859-8703 or
312-979-6552.
--
Krista Anderson ihnp4!ihlpa!krista
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Date: Fri, 29 Apr 88 16:10:04 PDT
From: [email protected]
Subject: Man From Snowy River
The scene showing the ride down the hill was for real. In interviews
with the guy who played "Jim" they shot the scene three times, and the hill
was just as it looked. When I first saw the movie I didn't believe it
either, but the next few times I watched it I paid particular attention
to that scene, and, if it _was_ faked, they sure did one hell of a job
at it. (Notice the trees and shrubs and their angle to the ground...
very difficult, if not impossible, to fake.)
Just to be sure, I asked a guy who regularly comes in from our
Australian affiliate about it. He said that "crack riders" hold a
yearly race run just like the run in the movie...straight ahead, over,
under, around or through, and "little things like hills" don't stop
them. Also he'd seen one of those "The Making Of..."s and it showed
the problems that had to be overcome just to position the cameras on
the hill because of its' steepness. The upshot...yep, the ride was for
real. (BTW did you notice that, although a Lovick was "Master-of-Horse",
there were fewer "family" members in the riders list?)
Sto lat;
Chip
Chip Kozy (415) 939-2400 @ Varian 2700 Mitchell Dr. Walnut Creek, Cal. 94598
...!pacbell!varian!vaxwaller!chip
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Date: 28 Apr 88 22:10:58 GMT
From: [email protected] (Dave Schoen)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Organization: HP Technical Networks, Cupertino, Calif.
Subject: Return to Snowy River
/ hpindda:rec.arts.movies / [email protected] (Deitrick) / 12:43 pm Apr 26,
1988 /
>Now to the point of this posting. Do you remember the great scene in
>THE MAN FROM SNOWY RIVER when the hero rode his mountain pony almost
>straight down the side of a mountain? (This isn't a spoiler since it
>was in the trailer for the movie.) The friend I saw RETURN TO SNOWY
>RIVER with said that horses can't really do that, and the moviemakers
>were just faking. This view has somewhat tarnished my childlike faith
>in all things horse and Australian, so I choose not to believe him.
>However, can any of you verify whether the horse did or did not really
>gallop down the side of the mountain? (or whether this is routinely
>done in Australia?)
> Karen Williams
I have heard conflicting stories about this. My original opinion was that
it was all camera angles and movie trickery. I mentioned that to a Montana
cowboy and he said that it could be done as shown in the movie. He cited
an incident he had either seen or participated in (I forget which).
A professional horse trainer of my acquaintance said that it couldn't be
done because the horse would lose it's balance too quickly. My own experience
with galloping a horse for fun and conditioning leads me to agree - even on
level ground, a galloping horse can quickly get too much weight over the front
legs, which makes it very susceptible to falling. On a steep slope, that
tendency to 'get on the forehand' would be even greater. The result is the
horse can easily go ass over antlers, which is not the kind of thing you
want to have happen twice in one day.
Carl Deitrick
ihnp4!ihuxv!cbd
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Date: 28 Apr 88 22:12:01 GMT
From: [email protected] (Dave Schoen)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Organization: HP Technical Networks, Cupertino, Calif.
Subject: Re: Return to Snowy River
/ hpindda:rec.arts.movies / [email protected] (Dave Schoen) / 3:01 pm
Apr 28, 1988 /
Howdy,
Yes, it really was done. I saw a special on that film quite some
time ago. Not only was it done once but serveral times so that they
could get all the camera shots that they wanted. The soft dirt on the
side of the hill really helps. I do *alot* of trail riding in the
Santa Cruz Mnts. but you ain't gona catch me trying *THAT* ride, soft
dirt or no.
I am looking forward to this movie!
> I mentioned that to a Montana
> cowboy and he said that it could be done as shown in the movie. He cited
> an incident he had either seen or participated in (I forget which).
Yup, in fact I watched a sporting event that involved running down a hill
about as steep as the one in the movie. And not just one horse, either;
a whole herd of 'em with riders. This was a race to get down the hill and
over the river the first, and live to tell about it. These people were
doing it for a saddle.... its a yearly event..... and *YES* they are nuts!
And yes, several didn't stay of all four feet.
> A professional horse trainer of my acquaintance said that it couldn't be
> done because the horse would lose it's balance too quickly. My own experience
Believe it.... it *can* be done.
> with galloping a horse for fun and conditioning leads me to agree - even on
> level ground,a galloping horse can quickly get too much weight over the front
> legs, which makes it very susceptible to falling. On a steep slope, that
> tendency to 'get on the forehand' would be even greater.
Part of training any stock horse, or any trail (esp. mountain trail... I live
in the Santa Cruz Mnts) horse is teaching the horse to get his weight *OFF*
the front end, esp when doing certain things. I have trained two trail horses
where I live. Some of the trails I go on require this training or I would be
doing swan dives over my horses heads.
> The result is the
> horse can easily go ass over antlers, which is not the kind of thing you
> want to have happen twice in one day.
Yup, and not even twice in week!
> Carl Deitrick
dks
UUCP: ...!hplabs!hpda!schoen -or- schoen@hpda
Confer: Dave Schoen
HPsnAIL: HP6600/N0
mailstop: bldg. 43LN
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Date: 30 Apr 88 16:37:52 GMT
From: [email protected] (John B. Nagle)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Organization: Stanford University
Subject: Re: Return to Snowy River
Very steep descents on dirt aren't so bad, on a horse that knows how
to get his hind end under him and keep himself straight as he slides.
I've seen a friend do this on a well-trained Percheron. On a horse
with the bone and muscles for it, it's not too hard. I've done a little
of this on sand dunes, which is a good way to practice. You do need to
build a horse up for this sort of thing; the strains on the leg muscles
are severe.
As for running over rocks, on a riding tour of western Ireland in
1985, we watched Connemarra horses running over land that was about
half bog and half rock, stepping only on the rocks. Running free,
these horses would take short 50-60 degree descents over rock without
hesitation. This breed has unusually tough hooves from a few centuries
of this sort of thing, and can be ridden unshod on asphalt.
------------------------------
Date: 3 May 88 19:30:27 GMT
From: [email protected] (Will Marchant)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Subject: Incredible feats
Hi! All this talk of "The man from snowy river(?)" and of death
defying feats made me think of the cavalry cross country courses
described by Monique and Hans D. Dossenbach in their book "The
Noble Horse". Here is the caption from one of the pictures
on pages 340-341:
Some of the cavalry schools had extremely difficult
cross-country tests. This was particularly true of
those in Mexico, Spain, and Italy, and the steep
slope at the Spanish Military School at Zarzuela
near Madrid was without doubt the most hair-raising
of them all. The cliff was fifteen metres high and
the first eleven metres were an almost vertical drop.
Anyone who sees this slope finds it hard to believe
that a horse and rider could possibly make a safe descent.
These pictures are amazing.
Will Marchant, Berkeley, CA USA
[email protected]
...!ucbvax!ucbssl!sag3!marchant
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Date: 4 May 88 12:50:49 GMT
From: [email protected] (Jennifer Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Organization: Theory Center, Cornell U., Ithaca NY
Subject: Man From Snowy River
I rented the tape once, and watched that scene over and over in slow
motion... (we're talking one frame at a time here folks!) I'm convinced
that it wasn't camera angles or movie trickery. There were very few cuts
in the film, and all the trees and vegetation were growing straight up
toward the top of the screen (which rules out camera angles).
There is one spot in that scene that is absolutely incredible, but is
hardly noticeable at full speed. It's bad enough that the horse is
going down that steep a grade with a rider, but at one point the odds
are made even worse. The horse *jumps* over a log in it's path!! You
should see it! The rider is practically laying flat down on the horse's
back to compensate for the incredible shift in the horse's center of
balance. In fact, the rider is almost thrown forward by the horse's
croup almost hitting him square between the shoulderblades. If I hadn't
seen the whole thing first, and known it was done successfully, I would
have bet a million that that horse's quarters were going to keep right
on going right over its head. Amazing....
Can't wait to see Part II!
Jennifer Moore
------------------------------
Date: 5 May 88 15:25:25 GMT
From: [email protected] (Edward J Quick)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Organization: Princeton University, NJ
Subject: DUDE RANCH INFO
FOR SOME HELP IN FINDING A NEW PLACE TO GO TO ON OUR VACATION.
WE HAD BEEN GOING TO A NICE, QUIET, RIDING-ORIENTED RANCH IN
MOOSE, WYOMING; HOWEVER IT IS NO LONGER IN EXISTENANCE. THE RANCH
WAS RUSTIC, YET EXTREMELY WELL RUN, AND VERY FRIENDLY. EACH GUEST
WAS GIVEN HIS OR HER OWN HORSE AND SADDLE AND YOU RIDING WAS WHEN
AND WHERE YOU WANTED AND WITH WHOM YOU WANTED TO RIDE.
WE LOVE TO RIDE AND SORELY MISS OUR CHANCE TO GET OUT INTO THE
WOODS AND ENJOY NATURE.
ANY HELP YOU COULD GIVE US WOULD BE GREATELY APPRECIATED.
THANKS AGAIN,
ED & LINDA QUICK
------------------------------
End of Equestrian Digest
*********************
|
| 77.63 | Equestrian Digest Issue #89 | LDP::BELANGER | KA1RML/KT : 145.09/147.45 | Wed May 18 1988 14:07 | 297 |
| Equestrian Digest Tue 17 May 1988 Issue 89
Today's Topics:
Re: Practical Horseman, April 1988
general update
Re: Re: Practical Horseman, April 1988
Re: DUDE RANCH INFO
Re: DUDE RANCH INFO
Rides Needed
Re: Spiffy Dude Ranches (was DUDE RANCH INFO)
Speaking of Magazines...
Racing info
Re: Racing info
Re: Racing info
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: 4 May 88 15:11:55 GMT
From: [email protected] (Carolyn Beiser)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Organization: HP Elec. Design Div. -FtCollins
Subject: Re: Practical Horseman, April 1988
At the risk of sounding rude, what is the point of posting these
magazine table of contents? The magazine has national distribution
and anyone interested can view/buy a copy at the local magazine
stand. Just wondering....
Carolyn Beiser
------------------------------
Date: 5 May 88 23:25:32 GMT
From: [email protected] (Benson)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories - Naperville, Illinois
Subject: general update
Hi everyone,,,,,,
Just thought I would let everyone know how Rain and I are doing these
days. Last time I said anything about him was before Christmas.
Well we are doing just great. He gave me a wonderful Christmas present --
his canine teeth finally came in. I had only been waiting for 7 months.
When his gums started getting sore and swollen from the teeth comming
thru we quit putting a bit in his mouth (and quit showing him) because
he would open his mouth all the time to get away from the soreness.
I also got a neat book from my husband. Awhile back someone had mentioned
about where to get old books. My husband found one on horse ailments
published in 1896. The pictures are great and the text pretty good too.
On to more current things.........
Started on a new training idea my trainer saw a clinic in March. It is
hard to describe over the net just how to set it up on the horse but
I can tell the results. Basically we are running a lariet thru an o ring
bit, up over the poll, back down thru the bit, then both ends between the
legs and up over the withers. You set the lariet so the head is just where
you want it for a head set (not too low) and then lounge the horse. If his
head goes too low or too high it is self correcting (faster than you can
do by hand if you are riding). Like I said it is a little difficult to
describe without seeing it because you could inadvertantly pull the horses
head too low. We have been doing this for a couple of months now and it
has done wonders for Rain. It has made his back muscles stronger (you can
even see where the muscles are building up), has pulled up his hay belly
and made him able to really engage his hind quarters. We also lounge him
with me on for the ride to help build those muscles. It has also made his
mouth softer and more responsive. The only thing we got to work on more
is convincing him he doesn't need to have his nose sticking out. I know
this may sound like some kind of miracle method, for Rain it is. He was
a little weak in the back area and this has really help.
Sunday we went to a little warm-up show in the area and I was real pleased
with how he did. Considering he had almost 11 months off he was very well
behaved. Our class had 19 horses in it and he took a 6th place. We also
managed to stay consistent and out of trouble, especially considering
there were several in our class who thought they were at the races. The
judge paid me a real nice complement too. She told me she liked my colt
and was pleased that we managed so well in all that 'mess'. She wanted
me to loosen up my rains tho (show jitters I guess). That really made
the day for me. So I'm looking forward to a fun show season this summer.
P.S. we were in a western pleasure class.
Today we hitched him up to the training cart and he did pretty good in
that too. Except he forgot how to do his extended trot in the cart. He
wants to lope because it's easier that way. But it will come back with
practice.
Well I guess I've chattered on long enough. Hope everyone has a fun
summer and has success in what ever you're working for.
By the way -- Rain is 5 years old, a registered Paint/Pinto (black & white -
tobiano pattern) gelding, and loves people.
Bye for now from
Navajo Rain Dance and
Pam Benson ihlpa!pkb
Bell Labs - Naperville
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Date: 6 May 88 20:07:20 GMT
From: [email protected] (Donna Griffiths)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Organization: Hewlett-Packard
Subject: Re: Re: Practical Horseman, April 1988
hi,
I'm not sure what prompted the magazine posting, but I thought it
was great! I don't get very many magazines and I don't have time to
go and read all the tables of contents at the store to see if there
are any interesting / useful articles. After reading the summary, I
I found an article I liked and went and got the magazine.
I would like to say "THANK YOU" to the person that posted the
summary and, if its' ok , I hope it continues.
I guess I'm busier than most so it benefits me more...
Thanks again,
Donna
------------------------------
Date: 6 May 88 22:46:00 GMT
From: [email protected] (Wendy Milner)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Organization: HP Fort Collins, CO
Subject: Re: DUDE RANCH INFO
There are several nice ranches in Colorado. Two I have
visited - not stayed at - are the Cherokee Park Ranch
(about 30 miles south of WY. on highway 287 and way back
in the hills) and the Rawah Ranch in the Rawah Wilderness
area. Both have great trails. I'm not sure about most
of the other details. Your best bet is to call them.
Wendy
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Date: 6 May 88 20:07:55 GMT
From: [email protected] (Donna Griffiths)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Organization: Hewlett-Packard
Subject: Re: DUDE RANCH INFO
/ hpfclr:rec.equestrian / [email protected] (Edward J Quick) /
9:25 am May 5, 1988 /
HI! MY NAME IS ED QUICK AND MY WIFE LINDA AND I ARE LOOKING
FOR SOME HELP IN FINDING A NEW PLACE TO GO TO ON OUR VACATION.
WE HAD BEEN GOING TO A NICE, QUIET, RIDING-ORIENTED RANCH IN
MOOSE, WYOMING; HOWEVER IT IS NO LONGER IN EXISTENANCE. THE RANCH
WAS RUSTIC, YET EXTREMELY WELL RUN, AND VERY FRIENDLY. EACH GUEST
WAS GIVEN HIS OR HER OWN HORSE AND SADDLE AND YOU RIDING WAS WHEN
AND WHERE YOU WANTED AND WITH WHOM YOU WANTED TO RIDE.
WE LOVE TO RIDE AND SORELY MISS OUR CHANCE TO GET OUT INTO THE
WOODS AND ENJOY NATURE.
ANY HELP YOU COULD GIVE US WOULD BE GREATELY APPRECIATED.
THANKS AGAIN,
ED & LINDA QUICK
----------
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Date: 6 May 88 20:17:04 GMT
From: [email protected] (Donna Griffiths)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Organization: Hewlett-Packard
Subject: Rides Needed
Hello,
Is there anyone out there in the Ft. Collins, Co. area that has a
horsetrailer and/or would like to go to horse activities with me?
I'm getting cabin fever ! (barn fever?) I'd like to start doing
some "horse activities" but its tough without a trailer.
I'm willing to pay, trade or plead for a ride (for my horse of
course) ...
Thanks,
Donna
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Date: 9 May 88 18:02:25 GMT
From: [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Organization: Cadnetix Corp., Boulder, CO
Subject: Re: Spiffy Dude Ranches (was DUDE RANCH INFO)
In article <[email protected]> you write:
>FOR SOME HELP IN FINDING A NEW PLACE TO GO TO ON OUR VACATION.
> WE HAD BEEN GOING TO A NICE, QUIET, RIDING-ORIENTED RANCH IN
>MOOSE, WYOMING; HOWEVER IT IS NO LONGER IN EXISTENANCE. THE RANCH
>WAS RUSTIC, YET EXTREMELY WELL RUN, AND VERY FRIENDLY. EACH GUEST
>WAS GIVEN HIS OR HER OWN HORSE AND SADDLE AND YOU RIDING WAS WHEN
>AND WHERE YOU WANTED AND WITH WHOM YOU WANTED TO RIDE.
> WE LOVE TO RIDE AND SORELY MISS OUR CHANCE TO GET OUT INTO THE
>WOODS AND ENJOY NATURE.
> ANY HELP YOU COULD GIVE US WOULD BE GREATELY APPRECIATED.
> THANKS AGAIN,
> ED & LINDA QUICK
Check out the C Lazy U Ranch
Granby, CO, 80446.
Phone: (303) 887-3344
It's a 5-star (Mobil), 5-diamond (AAA) guest ranch with everything
you'd ever want in a dude ranch, including swimming, tennis,
racquetball and the best meals you've ever tasted!!
Leslee Probasco
------------------------------
Date: 10 May 88 19:42:52 GMT
From: [email protected] (Jennifer Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Organization: Theory Center, Cornell U., Ithaca NY
Subject: Speaking of Magazines...
The talk of magazine tables of contents reminded me of this.
I get both EQUUS and Practical Horseman and love them both.
My EQUUS subscription started at its inception in 1977, and
I have all the issues except #1 and #6. Someone apparently
"borrowed" them when I had them at work with me. Anyway,
the first issue is no big deal, because I can replace it.
But issue #6 is out of stock!
So, the obvious question is: Does anyone out there have
a copy of EQUUS issue #6 (um, probably early 1978) that
they would care to part with? It is the issue with the
article about the tragic demise of the great mare Ruffian.
I'd love to complete my collection again, but even more
important to me is having the copy with that ariticle in
it. Can anyone help? I'm willing to negotiate a fair price.
Thanks!!
Jennifer Moore
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
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Date: 11 May 88 02:13:59 GMT
From: [email protected] (Jerry Lugert)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Organization: Univ. of Calif., San Diego
Subject: Racing info
What kind of sources are there for racing info?
Results, conditions etc.
Jerry [email protected]
------------------------------
Date: 11 May 88 17:36:18 GMT
From: [email protected] (James R. Richardson)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Organization: NCR Corporation, E&M San Diego
Subject: Re: Racing info
Outside of the info that is available in the racing form, you can call a
couple of local San Diego numbers.
For scratches at California tracks and selections: 231-4477
For results (about 20 minutes after post times): 294-8781
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Date: 12 May 88 13:22:21 GMT
From: [email protected] (Michael B Meyer)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Organization: The University at Albany, Computer Services Center
Subject: Re: Racing info
For harness racing, weekly publications such as The Harness Horse and
The Horseman and Fair World give race results from all the active harness
tracks in the U.S. and Canada, as well as selected worldwide harness races
of international importance. E-mail to me if you need further info (i.e
addresses, etc.) on harness racing.
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End of Equestrian Digest
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|
| 77.64 | Equestrian Digest Issue #90 | LDP::BELANGER | KA1RML/KT : 145.09/147.45 | Mon May 23 1988 14:50 | 192 |
| Equestrian Digest Fri 20 May 1988 Issue 90
Today's Topics:
Re: Racing info
snowy river -- the saddles
Dude Ranch Suggestions
Australian stock saddles
Re: Dude Ranch Info
Racing Info
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: 13 May 88 15:42:51 GMT
From: [email protected] (James R. Richardson)
Organization: NCR Corporation, E&M San Diego
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Racing info
Jerry I got your reply to the info I posted. Heres some things you may want
consider:
Bloodlines: Was the sire a distance runner or sprinter or better on the turf
than on dirt.
Track Bias: Are there more front runnners winnning races than horses that
come from behind. Also is there a particular post position that
wins more than others.
Horses for Courses: Does a horse perform better at Del Mar than Hollywood
Park.
I replied originally but not sure it made it to you.
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 17 May 88 14:19:50 EDT
From: Jan Burruss <[email protected]>
Subject: snowy river -- the saddles
My family and I have been watching our copy of Man from Snowy River repeatedly
for some months (I only discovered a tape of it recently), and we also enjoyed
the sequel twice (I can't wait until that comes out on tape!). My 2 yr. old
son, absolutely LOVES the original, so we watch it VERY frequently.
After watching close-up to see details about the tack used in the movies, I
have become very interested in Australian stock saddles and tack. I found
several companies that import Australian stock saddles and other gear. I'm sure
the saddle had a lot to do with the riders ability to stay with the horse and
in the saddle since the unique 'knee pads' keep the rider from sliding forward,
thus helping ensure that they stay in the saddle. (The story goes that the
such saddles were first made by escaping convicts who added make-shift kneepads
to their English-style saddles and were thus able to outride their guards!)
These saddles are also very deep, which also adds security (although the actor
probably got knocked by the cantle in the small of the back on that famous
downhill ride!).
My questions are:
1. Do any of you use one of these Australian stock saddles? What is the
transition from English to stock saddle for both rider and horse? What types of
stock saddles do you recommend? Have you dealt with any of the importing
companies, and do you have any preferences?
2. Several of you mentioned seeing a show on the making of the movie Man from
Snowy River. I would give my eyeteeth to see it. Does anyone have a tape of
it they'd lend me to copy? (It was probably years ago, I realize.)
Thanks.
Jan Burruss
Cambridge MA
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Date: Tue, 17 May 88 15:25 EDT
From: [email protected]
Subject: Dude Ranch Suggestions
My husband and I went to Tanque Verde, which is just outside of
Tuscon, for our honeymoon. The rooms are nice--with a fireplace (kind of
tough to use it in May but we turned up the a/c!) and a private porch.
The food is served family style and is very good. There are 2 to 3 rides
each day. Some days they have a breakfast ride, and on other days they
have a lunch cookout. The horses are pretty nice, but you can't go off
by yourself. They have 2 groups on each ride, one for "walkers" and the
other for "lopers".
They also have a nice pool and exercise room. Early on Thursday
mornings (around 5 am) they have a wild bird banding, with people explaining
about each bird that is banded.
The cost is very reasonable (I don't remember the amount), they will
pick you up at the airport if you stay a week, and they are consistently
getting 3 or 4 stars in magazine ratings.
As you can guess, I highly recommend the place.
Jamie Scheff
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Date: 17 May 88 21:10:30 GMT
From: [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Organization: University of California, Space Sciences Lab, Berkeley
Subject: Australian stock saddles
Anne and I took a day long endurance riding seminar from Sharon Saare.
Sharon has done a lot of endurance riding in this and other countries.
She used to coach endurance riders and now seems to spend her time
designing (and selling) her own special endurance saddles, giving
seminars, and writing articles.
During the discussion of tack, someone asked Sharon about Australian
stock saddles. She said that we're seeing so many in this country
because the Australians have stopped buying that style! When cross
examined she stuck to her guns and said that *in her opinion* those
saddles are inferior in design.
Has anyone out there used an Australian stock saddle and have first
hand knowledge to contribute?
Will Marchant, Berkeley, CA USA
[email protected]
...!ucbvax!ucbssl!sag3!marchant
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Date: 18 May 88 17:24:36 GMT
From: [email protected] (Gale Snow, WSD Desktop Software)
Subject: Re: Dude Ranch Info
An ad in the May 1988 issue of Dressage Letters (the monthly newsletter
of the California Dressage Society) :
Beach & Redwood Rides
Vacation on Northern California's magnificent Mendocino Coast
with lodging at B&B Inns.
Ride in majestic redwood forests & on wild coastal beaches.
Exceptional horses * English/Western
Take the Ride of a Lifetime!
Free Brochure
(707) 964 7669
Lari Shea's Ricochet Ridge Ranch
24201 N Hwy 1
Ft Bragg, CA 95437
Sounds like it could be fun!
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 19 May 88 9:01:09 EDT
From: "Christopher C. Zukowski" <[email protected]>
Subject: Racing Info
As far as racing publications, Turf and Sport Digest along with
Bloodhorse come to mind. If the requestor is looking for some
more specific racing info, write me directly:: [email protected]
I wanted to pass along the address of the Kentucky Thoroughbred
Association, Inc. It is P.O. Box 4040, Lexington, Kentucky 40544.
For over fifteen years now, they have been providing me (free of
charge) with bumper stickers, usually printed in April, before the
Derby, that say, "I like Kentucky-bred xxxxxxxxx", where xxxxxxxx
typically is one of the many prospects for the upcoming Triple Crown
series. The stickers are green and white and feature in addition to
the text, the outline of a horse's head. This year's stickers include
Winning Colors, Private Terms, Risen Star, Sea Trek, Seeking the Gold
and many others. I proudly display one each year on my car - the horse
I have backed in the Derby, for the most part. A historical note: one
of my most special possessions is a red-and-white sticker dating back
to 1975 that reads, "Ruffian - A Matchless Kentuckian". These were printed
before the ill-fated match race in the colors of Mr. and Mrs. Stuart
Janney's Locust Hill Farm, nearby here in Glydon, Maryland.
One last note: This year the KTA also sent me, again free-of-charge, a
paperback book (the size of a National Geographic magazine) titled,
"The Kentucky Derby 1875 - 1988". It is a marvelous book, detailing
each of the previous derbies. Disclaimer: this book was sent to me
by the KTA without being requested. I cannot guarantee that requests
for multiple copies will be handled without cost (perhaps they would
be since it's great PR). Someone may want to write the KTA and post
the findings to this mailing list.
Chris Zukowski
Dept. of the Army - CRDEC
Aberdeen Proving Ground, Maryland
"I Like Kentucky-bred Private Terms" (in the Preakness)
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| Equestrian Digest Fri 3 Jun 1988 Issue 91
Today's Topics:
Information about Andalusians?
Lari Shea's Redwood/CA Coast ride
Re: Australian stock saddles
vacation on horseback
housing/land around Berkeley CA
buggy update
Re: vacation on horseback
Re: housing/land around Berkeley CA
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Date: 24 May 88 15:21:07 GMT
From: [email protected] (Mary Ann Pike)
Organization: Carnegie-Mellon University, CS/RI
Subject: Information about Andalusians?
My husband and I have several Arabians that we have been showing for the
past few years. We have been showing mostly Western Pleasure and some
Dressage. I love Arabians, but I'm getting rather tired of the politics
and fads at the shows (English Pleasure getting judged like Park; why have
two classes if they're judged the same?).
While we were in Florida last month, we visited the Medieval Times dinner
theatre where we saw jousting, games, and an exhibition of dressage by a
team of Andalusians. I would like to get more information on the breed,
particularly what type of temperament they have, are they quick learners,
how are they usually shown, etc. I saw an article in a publication
somewhere advertising an Andalusian show in Greensburg Pa (which is not too
far from Pittsburgh) this summer, but I've lost the article. I would be
interested in attending the show, so if anyone knows anything about it,
please send me the information.
By the way, if anyone would be interested in a sweet little yearling gelding
who would make a nice show horse, or a high strung 11yr old gelding who's a
good learner (dressage and reining basics), please get in touch...we have
to cut back since I'm only working part-time, and my daughter is taking up
most of my free time.
Mary Ann Pike
Carnegie-Mellon University, Computer Science Dept.
Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: 23 May 88 22:16:46 GMT
From: [email protected] (Lisa Kingston)
Organization: FileNet Corp., Costa Mesa, CA
Subject: Lari Shea's Redwood/CA Coast ride
Just to let you know, I participated in one of Lari's rides last September
(1987). It was a seven day trip, covering the coastal areas around
Mendocino/Fort Bragg and inland, through the Redwoods. Several nights
were spent in comfortable inns, a couple camping in the Redwoods, and
a couple in this resort/old hunting lodge up in the hills about three
miles inland from the ocean.
It's possible that arrangements have been improved, however, when
I went, the first three nights were very comfartable, camping was
great (but I also like to camp), but after that, the accomodations
started going deteriorating. One thing that never went downhill was the
food. Hats off to them for feeding all of use quite well.
I have been riding for about twenty years. (I'm not that old, just
started at a very young age.) I've ridden English for about 10-12
years, hunters/jumpers for about 2 years. I made the arrangements
through Clarement Riding Academy, which has since been bought out by
Equitours, (if anybody is interested, I can get the phone number to
call if you'd like a brochure). They estimated the experience level
of the average participant to be somewhat higher than actual. I had
expected that most riders would at least know how to tack-up the horse.
Wrong. All the patience/education offered by the guides to the beginners
was very considerate to them, but rather frustrating to me. ("Com'on,
Let's GO!!!) Also, some of the beginning riders were a little
inconsiderate on the trail. Letting their horses tailgate others,
crowding, etc. As a result, one woman was kicked in the foot
(however unfortunate, it WAS her fault).
Now for the good part: The scenery was **INCREDIBLE**. Lari is
very knowledgable and although I never was a fan of endurance riding,
I've acquired a new respect for the sport. (Please, no flaming I
get enough of that here at work.) While the horses tend to be a little rangy
looking, they are all very healthy and well-taken care of. I would
definitely do the same trip again.
If you are a beginning rider, GO!!! My friend, who took about three months
of lessons to prepare for the ride, enjoyed it ALOT. It's a great way to
see the country.
Also, Equitours arranges similar types of trips all around the world.
I'd like to go on one of the others some day. If anyone
out there has done one of the foreign trips, please let me know how it
was.
Lisa
UUCP:hplabs!felix!kingston
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From: [email protected] (Barbara Dyker)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Australian stock saddles
Keywords: Saddles
Date: 30 May 88 20:13:56 GMT
Reply-To: [email protected] (Barbara Dyker)
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Will Marchant) writes:
>...
>Sharon has done a lot of endurance riding in this and other countries.
>She used to coach endurance riders and now seems to spend her time
>designing (and selling) her own special endurance saddles, giving
>seminars, and writing articles.
>
>During the discussion of tack, someone asked Sharon about Australian
>stock saddles. She said that we're seeing so many in this country
>because the Australians have stopped buying that style! When cross
>examined she stuck to her guns and said that *in her opinion* those
>saddles are inferior in design.
>
>Has anyone out there used an Australian stock saddle and have first
>hand knowledge to contribute?
I have not used one, but I have done extensive shopping for one.
- Everyone I have talked to that has a REAL one absolutely loves it.
I have seen them used on 50 mile competitive rides with the owners
delighted and performing well. I would like to know what Sharon
means by inferior in design. Inferior to HER design for the
specific purpose of endurance riding maybe - she apparently has
an interest to protect here.
- A REAL one is made in Australia. DO NOT under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES
even consider one that is made in India!!! Authentic Aussie stock
saddles proudly display their manufacturer's name plate. The
Indian ones are of inferior materials, workmanship, and design!
I don't mean questionable, I mean inferior to any standard! They
are affordable, but not worth a single dime paid.
- I would think that if the Aussie's were no longer buying them, that
they would be much more available and cheaper in the US. These
saddles are difficult (at best) to find and certainly an investment.
Barb Dyker CSNET: [email protected]
UUNET: ...rutgers!ncar!dinl!tosgcla!dyker
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Date: Tue, 31 May 88 13:28:50 EDT
From: Jan Burruss <[email protected]>
Subject: vacation on horseback
This message is directed to the person who requested information on riding
vacations. My parents have gone on several trail rides with an organization
called Trail Riders, which is run by the American Forestry Association. These
are pretty deluxe trailrides in all types of wilderness areas, both out west
and back east in the USA and Canada. They enjoyed every trip immensely and
highly recommend this group. As I understand it, all the riders have to do is
ride all day and set up their tents at night -- all food and other details are
handled by the outfitters. I think each trip has a doctor along for the ride,
too. Sample ride locations include Superstition, Arizona; Sion National Park,
Eagle Crags Wilderness, Utah; Banff National Park, Canada; River of No Return
Wilderness, Idaho; Boundary Waters Scenic Trip, Minnesota; Adirondack
Wilderness, New York. The director's name is Ali F. Phillips. The address is:
Trail Riders
PO Box 2000
Department TR
Washington, DC 20013-2000
1-800-368-5748 (or 1-202-667-3300 in the DC area)
Another recommendation from my father is for a ranch where they stayed and went
on day rides. They also highly recommened this place. The pace is obviously
slower than the trailrides and the accommodations more luxurious. The address
is:
Red Rock Ranch
PO Box 38
Kelly, Wyoming 83011
307-733-6288
Good luck!
Jan Burruss
Cambridge MA
P.S. If any one has had any experience with safe (for small chilren) breeds of
ponies or smaller horses (like the Haflinger or Morgan), please let me know --
my son is 2 and getting closer to riding 'all by himself' (as he frequently
tells me he wants to do). Thanks.
P.P.S One of my Australian Stock Saddle catalogs advertises a riding trip to
the Australian Outback (they claim you can 'ride like the men from Snow River'
although Snowy River country is in Victoria). The trip is 2 weeks and costs
$3900 (air fare included). Let me know if you want more information.
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From: [email protected] (Sue Watkins)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian,misc.consumers.house
Subject: housing/land around Berkeley CA
Keywords: cost, acreage, commuting, horses
Date: 31 May 88 16:56:09 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill
There is a strong possibility that we will be moving to the
Berkeley Calif area in the next year; IF we can afford it.
At the moment we have 2.6 acres and a 100 year old farmhouse
in central NJ. Could we get something comparable within a
1 hour commute of Berkely for around $160,000? Why we have
the land is for our 3 horses (hopefully only 2 would go to
CA) and because we like the privacy. The price of housing/land
is the major consideration in this move so any information
would be appreciated. Thanks, I'll summarize to the net if
anyone is interested.
Sue (I've never been across the Mississippi) Watkins
mhuxd!refer
201-582-7241
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From: [email protected] (Sue Watkins)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: buggy update
Keywords: thanks, harness, buggy
Date: 31 May 88 16:42:28 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill
Thanks to everyone who sent information concerning my request for
buggy information. A special thanks to Marsha Jo Hannah who must
be the buggy expert on the net, how could I be so lucky. I tried
to send thank you mail but either machines weren't answering or
what looked like legal addresses weren't working. Anyhow
here's what I did and how we're doing.
I realize now what I was looking for was a cart (two wheeled) as
opposed to a buggy (usually four wheeled). I hate to tell Marsha Jo
that I ended up with one of the two wheeled carts with the wimpy
springs and the bicycle tires but price is at the moment a
a driving force. Anyhow I got a nylon web harness and cart from
a outfit in Indiana, I believe the price was 300.00 for the cart
and 150 for the harness. Chick's was cheaper for the harness but as
some folks predicted they were out of stock and back ordered. The
cart arrived in NJ less than a week after I ordered it and Norm and
I put it together in about an hour.
Even though I didn't follow some folks advice I did become much more
aware of the dangers involved. My scenerio of Kate, Norm, the lame
golden retriever and I driving off into the sunset quickly got
replaced with visions of the horse kicking the cart to pieces. With
that in mind Murphy (the 2 year old TB/QH) and I are proceeding very
slowly. I made one major mistake in forgetting that Murphy had never
had any sort of band around his belly, he let me know in short order
that he was surprised at this new experience. At the moment we have
progressed from lunging with most of the harness on (he was scared of
some of the various pieces) to this weekend actually walking behind
him and doing stops, starts, turns. I plan to spend several more weeks
ground driving and then we'll progress to dragging sand bags and then
other louder stuff. Then I plan to drive him from the ground while
Norm pulls the cart behind him but not attached. Timetable is still
for at least Murphy and I to be doing some actual driving late summer,
early fall. I do plan to only go in wildlife areas that have no
cars and sand roads.
Thanks again for all the excellent advice. I'll continue to keep
everyone posted.
Sue Watkins
mhuxd!refer
201-582-7241
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From: [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: vacation on horseback
Date: 1 Jun 88 17:53:08 GMT
Organization: North Carolina State University - Computing Center
>Jan Burruss
>Cambridge MA
>
>P.P.S One of my Australian Stock Saddle catalogs advertises a riding trip to
>the Australian Outback (they claim you can 'ride like the men from Snow River'
>although Snowy River country is in Victoria). The trip is 2 weeks and costs
>$3900 (air fare included). Let me know if you want more information.
For more information about rides in Australia, check out the June issue
of Horse and Rider. Their cover story is about this subject and very
informative.
Vicky (netoprvc@ncsuvm)
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From: [email protected] (Dave Schoen)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: housing/land around Berkeley CA
Date: 3 Jun 88 01:13:39 GMT
Organization: HP Technical Networks, Cupertino, Calif.
Howdy,
I live in CA in Santa Cruz Mts which are near San Jose. I have also lived
in the Walnut Creek area which is about 25mi east of Berkley. If you have a
160k limit.... and w/in 1 hr of Berkley, I would say that you would have a
*very* hard time finding 2.6a with house and barn. But heh!, it wouldn't hurt
to look around.
dks
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| 77.66 | Equestrian Digest Issue #92 | LDP::BELANGER | N1FTD 5.01(N1FTD@K1UGM)/6.64-/7.45 | Thu Jun 09 1988 11:44 | 258 |
| Equestrian Digest Tue 7 Jun 1988 Issue 92
Today's Topics:
Re: housing/land around Berkeley CA
Re: housing/land around Berkeley CA
Return to Snowy River Part II
horse breeds for children
Re: Buggies and housing/land
Re: kid's first horse
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From: [email protected] (Chip Kozy)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian,misc.consumers.house
Subject: Re: housing/land around Berkeley CA
Keywords: cost, acreage, commuting, horses
Date: 4 Jun 88 16:48:28 GMT
Organization: Varian Instruments, Walnut Creek CA
(I tried e-mail but it didn't work...so what else is new?)
I'm sorry, but I think you'll have a really rough time trying
to find acreage and a house anywhere within 50 miles of the Bay Area
for that kind of money. This area is fast becoming an "urban" area,
and is losing its "suburban" qualities. The property (called "horse
set-up" around here...regardless of whether it has existing facilities
or not) can be had, but you'll find that prices are more in line with
$250,000 and up more than anything else. One alternative is to board
out...which will run anywhere from ~$100/mo (usually pasture, you feed)
to ~$400/mo (stall and/or paddock, they feed...and possibly exercise).
Don't get me wrong...the area is nice in places. Lots of State/
Regional/County/Local parks to ride in (check out a map of the Bay Area...
especially the Contra Costa and Alameda County areas...lots of room
in preserves). Problem is that the cost of living around here is quite
high, and property prices reflect this. Probably your best bet would be
to contact one of those "nationwide" realty outfits (I think "Red Carpet"
is one), and check things out. You _might_ be able to find something,
but don't bet the farm on it. Good luck!!
Sto lat;
Chip
,,
*** SOLIDARNOSC ***
--
Chip Kozy (415) 939-2400 @ Varian 2700 Mitchell Dr. Walnut Creek, Cal. 94598
...!pacbell!varian!vaxwaller!chip
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From: [email protected] (Rob Bernardo)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian,misc.consumers.house
Subject: Re: housing/land around Berkeley CA
Keywords: cost, acreage, commuting, horses
Date: 4 Jun 88 21:06:29 GMT
Reply-To: [email protected] (Rob Bernardo)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
I think Chip is painting a slightly more expensive picture (only slightly
though) than is the case in the Bay Area.
From time to time there is inexpensive horse property available in central
Contra Costa County, but more on the order of .5 to 1.5 acres (a guess),
in the Concord/Martinez areas. Prices are around the $200,000 level.
(Two years ago I got a 1100 sq. ft. house on .5 acres with a 3 stall barn
and 2nd 2-car garage for $160K in Concord.) However, 2.5 acres is not
available there for the $160K the original poster desired. Other areas
of Central County (Lamorinda, Danville, etc.) you'd be lucky to find
a decent house on a small lot for that price!
I suspect larger and cheaper horse properties are available in eastern Contra
Costa County (e.g. the Brentwood area). However, I don't think you can
commute from Brentwood and Berkeley in an hour during rushhour like
the original poster desired.
One possibility might be the Livermore area, perhaps to the south of
Livermore. Anyone got an idea what horse property goes for there?
As for boarding, up till two years ago, I boarded my horse at a fairly
decent full-care stable in Walnut Creek with a huge outdoor arena, nearby
riding trails for $180/month. For this I got a stall with run and two
feedings a day.
--
Rob Bernardo [backbone]!pacbell!rob -OR- [email protected]
business: (415) 823-2417 Pacific Bell SRVAC Room 4E750 San Ramon, CA
residence: (415) 827-4301 R Bar JB Concord, CA
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From: [email protected] (Debbie Gesimondo)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Return to Snowy River Part II
Date: 4 Jun 88 17:27:00 GMT
Organization: Apollo Computer, Chelmsford, Mass.
i read this in the june issue of The Animals' Agenda - The Animal Rights
Magazine. it's reprinted here without permission;
Movie Boycott: Return to Snowy River Part II.
Animal Liberation of Australia is calling for an international boycott
of Return to Snowy River Part II, a movie filmed in that country. Ap-
proximateley 100 horses were used on the set, yet no verterinarian was
present when one mare, who happened to be pregnant, collapsed from ex-
haustion and was "euthenized" with an axe. One of the handlers struck
her on the forehead three times with the blunt end of the axe, and another
cut her jugular vein. Her body was dumped in a nearby gully, and was
later found by agents of the Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty
to Animals (RSPCA).
The film's producer, Geoff Burrowes, at first denied responsibilty for
the death, but later admitted three horses had died in the making of the
film. The RSPCA is prosecuting Snowy River II Production, Geoff Burrowes,
David Eggby (the director) and John Lovick (the horsemaster) on cruelty
charges, but the film has already been released and showing in your area
now. Please boycott the film and spread the word about the cruelty
involved in making it. - KB
there is also an article in the same issue on horseracing which focuses on
the use of drugs in that sport. if anyone wants more info on the horse-
racing article or on animal rights in general, just email me.
### {mit-erl,yale,uw-beaver}!apollo!debbieg ###
### [email protected] ###
### [email protected] ###
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From: obrien%[email protected]
Date: 6 Jun 88 14:51
Subject: horse breeds for children
I would recommend Cannemara (Irish breed) horses for children. The ones
that I have known have a wonderful temperament and are talented to
do both dressage and jumping. They can vary in size but are rather small
(sometimes people refer to them as ponies). I have a very good friend with
two children who were brought up on a Cannemara. My riding teacher
has a Cannemara (he is large for the breed) who she lets some of her
students ride and who can be quite vivacious without being mean, but
when she puts her daughter on him he becomes a babysitter and is
absolutely wonderful. They are warm and affectionate and can sometimes
be stubborn but usually they try very hard to please the rider.
Good luck, Ania
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Date: Mon 6 Jun 88 15:33:17-PDT
From: Marsha Jo Hannah <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Buggies and housing/land
Well, I'm glad to hear that I'm not the only one whose computer sometimes
won't parse those addresses on the "other side" of the network. Some days,
I think the only thing more stubborn than my donkey is my computer!
Actually, I'm nowhere near to being a buggy expert. I've just read about
them some, and listened a lot as the more experienced members of our carriage
driving club discussed various topics. Hopefully, my passing on others'
experiences will save you some grief.
The cart and harness that you bought will do just fine for training; it's a
cheap way to get sturdy equipment while you're figuring out whether driving
is really as fun as you remembered, and whether Murphy is a suitable driving
prospect. With nylon harness on a young animal, you have to be especially
careful about harness galls. Things have to fit really well, and be padded
wherever possible. If you haven't already, put "fuzzies" on the breast
collar and the girth--western cinch covers will do. Your cart should have a
singletree to hook the traces to (rather than hooking directly to the body,
as some of the cheaper carts do); if it doesn't, rig one up somehow.
Likewise, when you ask Murphy to pull a tire, log, or whatever, use a sturdy
singletree--a 2x4 with 3 eye bolts will do--rather than tying directly to the
object. That will allow the harness to move with his shoulders as he walks,
rather than rubbing on them. Metal carts work OK for ponies (and donkeys;
that's what I drive Shadow to), but when you get to driving the cart, you
will discover another of its drawbacks that I forgot to mention earlier--you
won't be able to see around Murphy's rump. This makes for difficult steering,
and cuts into the view when touring the country. I predict that you'll be
getting a "wooden-wheeled" cart, if you get serious about this. But, one
step at a time.
It sounds like you're taking things appropriately slowly with Murphy's
training. Before you go out in the "wildlife areas" with Murphy put to the
cart, first take him out there in hand, ground driven, or ponied from a horse
he trusts. Many young horses regard even the most innocent wildlife as bears
in the bushes, and you don't want to find that out while the cart is
attached. His first few times out, you may want to have a friend along
riding a quiet horse, to give Murphy some confidence.
As to housing/land around Berkeley, CA--good luck! I fear that you are going
to have a hard time finding an ordinary house for $160K within an hour of
Berkeley, let alone "horse property" within those constraints. Drop me a
post card (or message, if you can get your computer to talk to mine) with
your USPS address, and I'll mail you the want ads out of an Oakland paper,
to give you a feel for the market.
Marsha Jo Hannah; Star Route 2, Box 403; La Honda, CA 94020 (415) 851-1260
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Date: Mon 6 Jun 88 15:35:59-PDT
From: Marsha Jo Hannah <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: kid's first horse
As has been said here more than once, the most important characteristics
of a first horse depend more on the individual than the breed, although each
breed has a "folklore" that shouldn't be completely ignored. Morgans are a
mixed lot--the original Morgan was the perfect family horse, but they've been
"jazzed up" for show ring action, so check each one out carefully. Quarter
horses similarly used to be great; now they're either Herefords on tiny feet
or Thoroughbreds in disguise. I think Fjord ponies are the neatest thing,
but they ARE ponies, and will occasionally decide to follow their own agenda,
rather than what the child has in mind; the good news is that they are so
inherently gentle and sensible that it's hard to go wrong with one.
Haflingers have much the same reputation, although the only one I've met
was a classic pony--she had her owner's number, and dialed it at will.
If price is important, stay away from the imports--there aren't enough of
them in the country for the price to be reasonable (Fjords start at $2000
for a weanling). Older horses tend to be both cheaper and more sensible.
The horse I learned to ride on was a classic "kid's horse", owned by the
6-year-old daughter of a friend. "Candy" (it suited her perfectly) was a
14.3 hh bay of unknown breeding (probably cutting Quarter horse, maybe with
a smidge of original Morgan), unknown age (old enough to vote, the vet
thought), and great patience. She wasn't completely sound (wouldn't canter
on the right lead), but as far as I could tell, she was perfectly suited to
her job. She knew how to stay under an inexperienced rider, never spooked
at anything, and did what you intended her to do, no matter how confused
the signals you gave.
You should probably regard your son's first horse as a short-term investment,
as he will either get bored with the idea, or will outgrow a babysitter horse
and want something better in 4-6 years. I would suggest picking up a small
grade horse that some other kid has outgrown (check the papers throughout
the summer, or consult you local Pony Club). You should ride the horse, ask
to see a child ride it, and maybe even take along a semi-experienced neighbor
kid to give you an assessment of the horse. Find out if the horse will put
up with being ponied, as that will undoubtedly be necessary at first. But,
go for it--I would have given anything to have grown up with a horse!
Marsha Jo Hannah; Star Route 2, Box 403; La Honda, CA 94020
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| 77.67 | Equestrian Digest Issue #93 | LDP::BELANGER | N1FTD 5.01(N1FTD@K1UGM)/6.64-/7.45 | Mon Jun 13 1988 12:50 | 682 |
| Equestrian Digest Fri 10 Jun 1988 Issue 93
Today's Topics:
Re: horse breeds for children
Re: horse breeds for children
Re: horse breeds for children
A Horse For A Child
Tongue hanging out
show rules
re: horse breeds for children
Re: show rules
Re: show rules
Re: show rules
Re: show rules
Re: horse breeds for children
Equus, June 1988 contents
Reply To Dennis O'Connor
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From: [email protected] (Dennis M. O'Connor)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: horse breeds for children
Date: 8 Jun 88 13:33:53 GMT
Reply-To: oconnor%[email protected]
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center
Don't get a HUGE horse.
( Do get the best ASHA-approved helmet you can afford : riding is
the second leading cause of head injuries ( i.e. concussions,
brain damage, death ) in children. )
Do NOT get a young horse. Even an eight-year-old may be too
green for ANY inexperienced rider. 12-year-olds and up are
a better bet. Remember, horses can almost always be ridden until
they are twenty-four years old or more. Older horses are almost
always more patient and tolerant than younger ones.
Do NOT NOT NOT get an Arabian. My wife has an Arab. Arabs
are one of the smartest breeds of horses, perhaps the smartest.
This is NOT good for inexperienced riders. An Arab can tell
the moment you lose your seat, and then twist-jump-buck and
you're on the ground. My wife says that her horse has taught
her a LOT about riding, but it has also taught her what
it's like to be thrown through a post-and-rail fence.
The horse is not mean : it's just too damn smart.
Do not get a mare, or a stallion. Some are okay, but others
can be a handful, especially mares in heat or stallions
around mares in heat. Geldings are best for most riders.
Get a one-week free trial or a equivalent. That's the only
good way to find out a horse's temperment. Horses that lay
their ears back all the time are unsuitable.
Only buy from a dealer if you can get recomendations. Tack
shops run out of a person's farm are good sources of such info,
at least the one we go to is. And of horse ads, of course.
My probably-90%-quarter-horse is very friendly. Quarter Horses
have a reputation for "cow-sense" and calmness, at least the
"working" style QH. I'd avoid the "racing" (i.e. 50%+ TB) style
myself. My QH is from Oklahoma ( I live in NY ). There are
apparently more good horses available in OK than in NY.
Good luck. ( BTW, the saddles with plastic trees are GREAT :
lightwieght and apparently indestructable : my wife's
Arab has gone up-and-back-and-over and landed on her Western
saddle at least 3 times, and the tree is undamaged. )
--
Dennis O'Connor oconnor%[email protected] ARPA: [email protected]
"Never confuse USENET with something that matters, like PIZZA."
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From: [email protected] (Bob Kinne)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: horse breeds for children
Date: 8 Jun 88 15:22:38 GMT
Reply-To: [email protected] (Bob Kinne)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
In article <[email protected]> oconnor%[email protected] writes:
>
> Don't get a HUGE horse.
I don't understand this. Large horses are often very gentle. It is
the individual characteristics that matter.
> ( Do get the best ASHA-approved helmet you can afford : riding is
> the second leading cause of head injuries ( i.e. concussions,
> brain damage, death ) in children. )
Definitely right. Helmet should have a chin strap, and the strap
should be fastened. More than once an unstrapped helmet has come
off in a fall, leaving the rider unprotected.
> Do NOT get a young horse. Even an eight-year-old may be too
> green for ANY inexperienced rider. 12-year-olds and up are
> a better bet. Remember, horses can almost always be ridden until
> they are twenty-four years old or more. Older horses are almost
> always more patient and tolerant than younger ones.
Excellent advice. The idea of a young horse that the rider can
grow with is a serious mistake. Always start a green horse with
an experienced rider, and vice versa.
> Do NOT NOT NOT get an Arabian. My wife has an Arab. Arabs
An unfair statement. Arabians are as suitable as any other breed
for a family horse. As always, it is the individual characteristics
that are most important.
In general, there is more variation within a breed than difference
between breeds. A horse should be chosen for disposition, soundness,
and suitability, with appearance and breed characteristics secondary.
> Do not get a mare, or a stallion. Some are okay, but others
> can be a handful, especially mares in heat or stallions
> around mares in heat. Geldings are best for most riders.
I definitely agree about stallions. They can be very well behaved,
but there are special problems finding a boarding stable or keeping
a stallion around mares.
On the other hand, a well-mannered mare can be an excellent choice
for a young rider.
> Get a one-week free trial or a equivalent. That's the only
> good way to find out a horse's temperment. Horses that lay
> their ears back all the time are unsuitable.
A horse uses its ears to listen to the rider and its environment. If
the ears are pinned back to the neck, it indicates anger or hostility.
If the ears are rotated back or sideways, the horse is being attentive
to voice signals from the rider. This is a *good* sign.
> Only buy from a dealer if you can get recomendations. Tack
A trial is an excellent suggestion. Also have a large animal vet
evaluate the horse for soundness and suitability. Do *not* use the
vet that the seller uses; objectivity can be a problem. Be prepared
to reject the horse if the vet so recommends, no matter how attractive.
The best place to buy a horse is from a satisfied rider who has out-
grown the horse or gone on to other interests. Next best is an
established breeder.
Another caveat: don't buy a horse off the race track. Running horses
are trained in ways that require retraining for pleasure use, and this
can take longer than training a green horse.
Bob Kinne INTERNET [email protected]
Optoelectronics Computing Center
UCB, Campus Box 425 VOICE (303) 492-8182
Boulder, CO 80309-0425.
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From: [email protected] (Jennifer Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: horse breeds for children
Summary: Vet check!
Date: 9 Jun 88 14:04:48 GMT
Organization: Theory Center, Cornell U., Ithaca NY
Dennis had very good suggestions about this topic, and I agree with
most of them. Along with Bob, I have a hard time with excluding
Arabians, even though I'm not fond of the breed myself. It was
a very good point that an intelligent horse/pony can be a real
handful, but I don't think that's limited to Arabians. For example,
I own a Hackney Pony, and wouldn't recommend her as a children's
or beginner's mount. She's hardly malicious, but she is highly
sensitive, and *very* smart! But again, it depends on the individual.
I've seen Saddlebreds completely lose their cool in the show ring and
unseat professionals. I've also seen Saddlebreds (the BIG ones!)
carry an under 11 equitation rider through their paces flawlessly.
It just depends on the horse, not so much the breed.
I second Bob's suggestion to get a vet check, and *be prepared to
reject the horse if the vet does*! I know of two recent examples
to support this. One horse was vetted, and had a bone spavin that
even the owners didn't know about. The prospective buyer loved the
horse, but didn't buy him as a result of the vet check. That horse
may be lame within a few years. I know another case where a horse
was purchased without a vet check, and moved to a new location where
it was kept in a stall instead of on pasture. As soon as it was
brought inside, the gelding started showing the symptoms of his
heaves, which he has apparently had for some time. The new owner
is stuck, since there was no provision made for such circumstances.
It just occurred to me that I never had my pony vetted before I
bought her. :) I'd known her and worked with her for 5 years
prior to buying her, but that's no excuse! Next time, you can
bank on it!
Jennifer Moore
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
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From: [email protected] (Deitrick)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: A Horse For A Child
Date: 8 Jun 88 14:06:31 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories - Naperville, Illinois
Marsha Jo Hannah has the right idea when she says that the important factor
when looking for a horse for a child: look at the horse, and not at the
breed.
I didn't see the original article, but I'm assuming the child in question
is just old enough to ride independently - maybe 6 or 7. In my opinion,
if a child that age is to enjoy riding, (s)he has to like the horse.
A lot of the details about the horse don't really matter; all that matters
is whether the child likes the horse.
I would guess that part of liking the horse would be how safe the child feels
around it and on it in all situations. Another part of liking the horse would
be whether the child believes the horse knows him/her - there is an ineffable
attraction to having a horse wait for *you* at the stall door. Still another
part is whether the horse will consistently do what the child wants when being
ridden - it's very frustrating for the child if (s)he does all (s)he can and
this horse always refuses to trot over that ground pole.
There are some things that only you as the parent will be interested in -
is the horse serviceably sound, does it have any serious vices, is it truly
safe or is the child simply fearless, etc.
If the horse meets all this, then everything else like age, breed, color,
sex, size is unimportant.
Carl Deitrick
ihnp4!ihuxv!cbd
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From: [email protected] (Jan Dickieson)
Date: 9 June 1988 1032-PDT (Thursday)
Subject: Tongue hanging out
Reply-To: [email protected]
I own a reasonably nice dressage horse. He is half Hanovarian
and half Thoroughbred. I owned his dam, so he's been with me
all his life (10 years).
The problem I am having is that he likes to hang his tongue out.
He's done this even as a weanling. This is NOT GOOD if one
wants a competitive dressage horse. Most judges see a tongue
out and immediately think that the horse has it over the bit and
is thus avoiding contact. My horse does not have it over the
bit. It just sticks out the side, sort of like a flag, flapping
in the breeze.
In the past, this problem has not bothered me. In schooling
shows I would just stick my tongue out the other side of my
mouth in a attempt to present a more balanced picture to the
judge. Now, we are doing third level work. I really want to
compete with him. Unfortunately, because of the tongue, we have
marks against us before reaching X.
What to do? What to do? Suggestions have been made to me to
pursue some surgical procedure. Boy, that sure sounds radical
and probably inhumane. Can anyone shed some light on a
solution?
AdThanksvance,
Jan
[email protected]
(619) 553-7712
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From: [email protected] (Rich Graham)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: show rules
Date: 9 Jun 88 17:05:38 GMT
Reply-To: [email protected] (Rich Graham)
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh, Comp & Info Sys
Does anyone know where I can get information about rules/regulations
concerning showing? I'm interested in Western Pleasure, Equitation, and
Horsemanship.
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Date: Thu 9 Jun 88 12:40:18-PDT
From: Marsha Jo Hannah <[email protected]>
Subject: re: horse breeds for children
Mail-System-Version: <VAX-MM(229)+TOPSLIB(133)+PONY(205)@IU.AI.SRI.COM>
Re: horse breeds for children
Yes, the Connemara can also be a good horse for a child. One of my riding
teachers has a Connemara which she has 3-Day Evented; that horse was
simultaneously being used in a theraputic riding program for handicapped
children. The mare was quite able to "compartmentalize" her jobs--was nicely
responsive in dressage tests, yet stood quietly when a handicapped teenager
had an epileptic seizure while riding her, despite much arm and leg flailing.
However, my teacher cautions that Connemaras have recently been "improved" by
allowing unlimited Thoroughbred crosses into the studbook.
There is a group locally that uses Fjord ponies in their theraputic riding
program, as well as taking them to Stanford Children's Hospital to give the
kids rides or pony-petting sessions, as the kids' conditions permit. In
Belgium, the state-run riding programs for the handicapped use nothing but
Fjord ponies, for their unflappable temperament. Of course, in Europe, the
studbooks (which are usually state regulated) are very strict about which
animals can be admitted--horses are tested against carefully written breed
standards, and breeds are kept true by ruthless culling.
In the west, Appaloosas are commonly seen as kid's horses and on dude
ranches--both jobs in which their combination of gaudy looks, sturdy legs,
and moderate temperaments are assets. However, foundation-type Appies are
getting rare; most Appies are now Quarter horses or Thoroughbreds with spots,
which inevitably changes the breed characteristics.
It's really pretty hard to find a breed that hasn't been tampered with
recently. Morgans had Saddlebred added, for action. Welsh ponies had
Arabian added, for refinement. Thoroughbred has been put into several breeds,
for speed (running Quarter horses) and "athletic ability" (Connemaras and
Appaloosas for 3-Day Eventing). One wonders, however, what desirable traits
(like soundness and sensibility) are being lost in breeding the faddish show
horse or "sport horse" of the moment.
Marsha Jo Hannah; Star Route 2, Box 403; La Honda, CA 94020
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Date: Thu, 9 Jun 88 15:48:59 EDT
From: Ken Rossen <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: show rules
The American Horse Shows Association Rule Book contains rules for all
recognized disciplines. You get one free as a member, but you may be
able to purchase the Rule Book alone.
The AHSA is reachable at 212/972-AHSA or at 220 East 42d Street,
New York City, 10017-5806.
--
[email protected]
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From: [email protected] (Jennifer Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: show rules
Date: 9 Jun 88 19:36:55 GMT
Organization: Theory Center, Cornell U., Ithaca NY
The first thing that comes to mind is the American Horse Shows
Association. Their address is:
The American Horse Shows Association
527 Madison Avenue
New York, NY 10022
They have a rulebook that covers just about everything. If you
go to an AHSA recognized show, these rules will definitely be
in use. If you go to an unrecognized show, these rules will
"most likely" be in use. It usually tells in the entry list
for a show what rules they are going by.
I know that there is also a set of rules written by the
American Driving Society govorning their events. Does anyone
know of other associations with sets of specific rules govorning
other events?
Jennifer Moore
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
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Date: Thu, 9 Jun 88 16:08:52 EDT
From: Ken Rossen <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: show rules
Lest anyone be wondering about the discrepancy between the addresses
supplied by Jennifer and me, I should note that the AHSA moved recently,
and the address supplied in my earlier article is the current one.
As to rules supplied by other authorities, I'm sure that some of the more
obscure disciplines are not addressed by AHSA, but I can't think of which
ones (admittedly the rule book is not in front of me). However I should
note that, in dressage, AHSA supplies tests and regulates competition
only for Training through Fourth Level, and then also for the less widely
used AHSA International tests. Prix St. Georges, Intermediare and
Grand Prix levels are regulated by the Federation Equestre Internationale,
which is why these are known as the FEI levels of dressage.
--
[email protected]
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From: [email protected] (Martyne Hallgren)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: show rules
Date: 9 Jun 88 21:28:44 GMT
Reply-To: [email protected] (Martyne Hallgren)
Organization: Cornell Theory Center, Cornell University, Ithaca NY
In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Rich Graham)
writes:
>
> Does anyone know where I can get information about rules/regulations
>concerning showing? I'm interested in Western Pleasure, Equitation, and
>Horsemanship.
Most every breed association has its own set of rules governing showing
at approved horse shows. For example, the ApHC (Appaloosa Horse Club)
has its own rule book, the AQHA (American Quarter Horse Assoc) has its
own rule book, etc. Many "activity" oriented associations, such as
National Reining Horse Association or the National Cutting Horse
Association, or the National Pleasure Horse Association or the National
Trail Horse Association, which approve events, also have their own rule
books governing these events. In many cases, the rules are similar or
the same from one association to another but not all the time. For
example, a seemingly trivial but importance difference between ApHC and
AQHA, ApHC requires riders in western classes to wear chaps - AQHA
does not; the Morgan Horse Association requires that all western
riders have a "lariat" on their saddles while showing, neither ApHC or
AQHA do. Many "open" associations (all-breed groups based in
a geographic area) may have their own set of rules. Rule books can
be requested from any of the associations (cost varies).
The AHSA rule books have already been mentioned.
Martyne Hallgren
[email protected] (Internet)
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From: [email protected] (Dennis M. O'Connor)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: horse breeds for children
Date: 9 Jun 88 14:24:51 GMT
Reply-To: oconnor%[email protected]
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center
An article by [email protected] (Bob Kinne) says:
] In article <[email protected]> oconnor%[email protected] writes:
] > Don't get a HUGE horse.
]
] I don't understand this. Large horses are often very gentle. It is
] the individual characteristics that matter.
For a child, a large horse can be too difficult to mount, or
to difficult to get a good seat on, or verious other problems.
I'm not saying get a pony, but I am saying don't get a 17-hand TB.
] > Do NOT NOT NOT get an Arabian. My wife has an Arab. Arabs
] An unfair statement. Arabians are as suitable as any other breed
] for a family horse. As always, it is the individual characteristics
] that are most important.
]
] In general, there is more variation within a breed than difference
] between breeds. A horse should be chosen for disposition, soundness,
] and suitability, with appearance and breed characteristics secondary.
Okay, I conceed that Arabs aren't ALL a problem. But I've
seen several references to the idea that "the chief problem
with most Arabians is that they are smarter than their riders."
] > Get a one-week free trial or a equivalent. That's the only
] > good way to find out a horse's temperment. Horses that lay
] > their ears back all the time are unsuitable.
]
] A horse uses its ears to listen to the rider and its environment. If
] the ears are pinned back to the neck, it indicates anger or hostility.
] If the ears are rotated back or sideways, the horse is being attentive
] to voice signals from the rider. This is a *good* sign.
Sorry, I should have clarified : a horse that lays its ears
back as you approach it from the front could be a problem.
My wife almost lost half her hand to such a horse. Horses have
a large and quite informative set of facial expressions and
body language : having someone who can "read" this along
at an evaluation can be very useful.
] A trial is an excellent suggestion. Also have a large animal vet
] evaluate the horse for soundness and suitability. Do *not* use the
] vet that the seller uses; objectivity can be a problem. Be prepared
] to reject the horse if the vet so recommends, no matter how attractive.
This is TRUE. If you can't get the horse vat-checked before paying
for it, get a short-period ( 1 week or so ) guarantee of soundness
and then get the horse vet-checked. Also, be sure the vet sees
the horse under saddle at the walk, trot/jog and cantor. Many forms
of lameness are only detectable in this way.
] Bob Kinne INTERNET [email protected]
I don't think anyone needs to be reminded, but just in case :
Remeber that a horse is not a machine, they all have personalities,
moods, unreasoning phobias, stuff like that. Also remember that a
horse is NOT a fellow predator like a dog, and can't be treated
like one : what a dog would think of as play, a horse would
consider a threat. And remember : horses bite, kick and step on
your toes sometimes. But they're still worth it. But don't
buy a horse without understanding what you're getting into.
( BTW, NEVER wear steel-toed boots around horses. IF you do,
you're likely to get your toes amputated instead of broken
when your horse steps on your foot. The steel toe is NOT
strong enough to support the 500 pounds or more a horse
will apply, and will collapse trapping your toes. Then
either the boot will need to be cut off, or the toes will.
Heavy leather boots (or quick reflexes :-) are a better bet. )
--
Dennis O'Connor oconnor%[email protected] ARPA: [email protected]
"Never confuse USENET with something that matters, like PIZZA."
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From: robin%[email protected]
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 88 01:14:34 CDT
Subject: Equus, June 1988 contents
Here is another magazine table of contents. Statements in [ ] are my
additions. Feel free to send queries if you want to know more about a
particular listed item, I'll try to assist.
Robin Crickman, ...ihnp4!bungia!foundln!robin
EQUUS, (number 128) June 1988
An Eye For An Eye. Determination and state-of-the-art technology return
a favorite gelding to the show ring.
The Kick: A Force To Be Reckoned With. With its lightning-fast action,
bulls'-eye accuracy and crushing impact, the horse's kick is a potent weapon
worthy of scrutiny and respect.
Detecting Discomfort Under Saddle. Recognizing that a horse's misconduct
stems from pain rather than vice is sometimes a matter of reading between
the signs.
New Angles On Hoof Angles. High-speed films and x-ray investigation reveal
some surprising truths about hoof manipulations.
Calgary '88. In the heart of Stampede country, rodeo premieres at the
Winter Olympics' Arts Festival.
Alternative Treatments. A guide to nonmedical, nonsurgical methods of
dealing with equine injury and pain.
High-Tech Hoof Testers. Researchers at Louisiana State University take
measure of a traditional diagnostic tool.
"Horses Don't Have Problems" The ability to observe yourself, says Australian
trainer Neil Davies, is the key to improving your horse's performance.
Hard To Swallow. Morgan filly's nosebleed and odd head carriage trace to
a surprising source.
Getting To The Root Of Ewe Neck. How to lower curve in the chain of vertebrae
gives rise to an "upside-down" crest.
The File, a roundup of news and views that matter to the horse world.
A Brave new market. Colorado computer whiz turns his talents to marketing
Paso Finos to the masses.
The Bugaboos of bug control. Caution and constraint are words to live
by when applying th insecticides that wipe out pesky flies.
Standing tall(er). Scientific study supports benefits of therapeutic
riding.
Tooth troubles. Survey reveals that horses, too, could benefit from
regular dental checkups.
Avenging Angel. A trail-blazing mule earns a national championship and
gets some respect for her kind. [in competitive trail riding]
New hope for neglected horses. Indiana Hooved Animal Society seeks
changes in public awareness and state regulations.
Say, Jeez. California dentist puts some show-biz glitter into the old
horse laugh. [cosmetic dentures for a trick pony]
Better beds? Three new bedding materials attempt to upgrade stallkeeping.
EQUUS Consultants is a monthly feature in which selected experts from across
the country respond to questions raised by readers.
Soil-dwelling germs target stressed foals.
Counteracting his taste for tack.
Thigh injury precedes training troubles.
At risk for rhino? [inoculate young horses, broodmares and horses who
travel frequently for rhino, others have little risk]
Hands On represents a summary of current good practice in horsekeeping.
Three summer skin ailments [hives, ringworm, collagen granulomas]
Say good-bye to flies.
Longeing basics.
Braiding the mane.
Fingertip tour of the equine mouth.
Industry Watch
The Write way to a free horse [contest offers horse for best kid essay]
To find another Phar Lap [racehorses are cheaper in Australia]
------------------------------
From: [email protected] (Deitrick)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Reply To Dennis O'Connor
Date: 10 Jun 88 05:13:13 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories - Naperville, Illinois
> Do NOT NOT NOT get an Arabian. My wife has an Arab. Arabs
> are one of the smartest breeds of horses, perhaps the smartest.
> This is NOT good for inexperienced riders. An Arab can tell
> the moment you lose your seat, and then twist-jump-buck and
> you're on the ground. My wife says that her horse has taught
> her a LOT about riding, but it has also taught her what
> it's like to be thrown through a post-and-rail fence.
> The horse is not mean : it's just too damn smart.
>
> ... my wife's
> Arab has gone up-and-back-and-over and landed on her Western
> saddle at least 3 times, and the tree is undamaged. )
>
>--
> Dennis O'Connor oconnor%[email protected] ARPA: [email protected]
>
This has nothing to do with the horse being an Arab. It's a horse with a
deadly serious habit, but is not typical of Arabs, or any other breed.
Any horse that goes up and over is a potential killer and deserves a bullet
in the head. I mean that literally and seriously.
A friend of mine got stuck with a flipper for his first horse. He didn't know
it was a flipper until the trainer tried to push it hard in a dressage
session. The horse rebelled, went up and over, and landed on the trainer.
The trainer survived but spent time in the hospital. My friend took a pair
electric clippers, clipped the letters 'K-I-L-L-E-R' in the hair of both
sides of the horse, and hauled the horse to the slaughterhouse. It was dog
meat within hours.
THAT'S THE ONLY REASONABLE THING TO DO WITH A FLIPPER!!!
Carl Deitrick
ihnp4!ihuxv!cbd
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| Equestrian Digest Tue 14 Jun 1988 Issue 94
Today's Topics:
Re: Reply To Dennis O'Connor
Arabs (was Re: horse breeds for children)
Re: Arabs (was Re: horse breeds for children)
Introduction and Flipping
rearers
Babysitter horses
Re: Reply To Dennis O'Connor
The Old Sage on children's horses
Re: horse breeds for children
Re: horse breeds for children
Flippers
Re: Babysitter horses
Dangerous Horses
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From: [email protected] (Michael Ma)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Reply To Dennis O'Connor
Date: 10 Jun 88 18:51:14 GMT
Reply-To: [email protected] (Michael Ma)
Organization: Princeton University, NJ
In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Deitrick) writes:
>
>This has nothing to do with the horse being an Arab. It's a horse with a
>deadly serious habit, but is not typical of Arabs, or any other breed.
>
>Any horse that goes up and over is a potential killer and deserves a bullet
>in the head. I mean that literally and seriously.
>
>A friend of mine got stuck with a flipper for his first horse. He didn't know
>it was a flipper until the trainer tried to push it hard in a dressage
>session. The horse rebelled, went up and over, and landed on the trainer.
>The trainer survived but spent time in the hospital. My friend took a pair
>electric clippers, clipped the letters 'K-I-L-L-E-R' in the hair of both
>sides of the horse, and hauled the horse to the slaughterhouse. It was dog
>meat within hours.
>
>THAT'S THE ONLY REASONABLE THING TO DO WITH A FLIPPER!!!
>
> Carl Deitrick
> ihnp4!ihuxv!cbd
Howdy, This is my first time to be in this newsgroup and would like share
my feeling with all of you. In the past few months, I really enjoy all of
your experience, story, etc.. I don't own a horse but really want to own
one in the next few month if possible. I did learn alot from here and
appreciate of all your sharings.
Today, I am so sad and mad after I read the story Carl told. From my
viewpoint, I think every creature has the right to survive in this world.
And every creature is born free, including horses. I don't know
why human beings are just so selfish and mean. They want to control
everything in this world, not only over the animals but also another person.
If they can't make it, they just destroy them. That is very unfair.
From the story told by Carl, I think her friend did not have the right to
kill the horse. That was the horse's nature to defend itself. Think of
what will you do if someone else mount a saddle on your back, put a bit in
your mouth, pull a rein around your neck, kick you with a sharp spur...
and demand you to do whatever you may not be willing to do. That was your
friend's fault, Carl, and don't blame on the horse. When you buy a horse,
you are taking any risk it might happen to you.
If you can't afford the risks, then
don't buy it. Even you paid $$$ on the horse, feed the horse, it does not
mean the horse has to obey your commands. You gota train it. Anything can
happen during the trainning. Your friend was one of the cases. As I said,
you are taking a risk when you buy a horse. You have to be patient during
the training. And you gonna be very careful too. You spent the money in
horse and it tries to serve you. But remember the horse has its character
and felling too, just like human being. So please treat the horse as your
friend, a good friend, not your enemy or slave.
I am not intended to flame on this but just thought this world is worse
enough and don't make it worst. Why can't we try to love the
people and animals around us and keep the world in peace and love and away
from violence and blood.
-Michael
[email protected]
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From: [email protected] (Karen Cate;6291502;92-734;LP=A;60.D)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Arabs (was Re: horse breeds for children)
Date: 10 Jun 88 18:52:58 GMT
Reply-To: [email protected] (Karen Cate)
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton, OR.
In article <[email protected]> oconnor%[email protected] writes:
>An article by [email protected] (Bob Kinne) says:
>] In article <[email protected]> oconnor%[email protected] writes:
>] > Do NOT NOT NOT get an Arabian. My wife has an Arab. Arabs
>] An unfair statement. Arabians are as suitable as any other breed
>] for a family horse. As always, it is the individual characteristics
>] that are most important.
>]
>] In general, there is more variation within a breed than difference
>] between breeds. A horse should be chosen for disposition, soundness,
>] and suitability, with appearance and breed characteristics secondary.
>
>Okay, I conceed that Arabs aren't ALL a problem. But I've
>seen several references to the idea that "the chief problem
>with most Arabians is that they are smarter than their riders."
>
I'd like to see some discussion on this. I used to have a 3/4 Arab
when I was 13. Worse than that, a young arab. He was a fantastic
horse, but he knew just how to get the reins out of my hands, and
just how to get me off.
HOWEVER, part of the reason I got the Arab (besides the fact that
he was gorgeous) was that I had had a lesson horse that was part
or all arab that was just great. She would take it easy on early
learners (guiding them as much or more than they guided her...),
but as they learned she got more strict. [I'll never forget the
lesson on "leads". I didn't quite get the signal right so she went
into the worst roughest canter she could muster...]
Her name was My Pride (as I remeber, 15 years later). If I had to
choose one (non-human) creature to battle the elements with, it
would have been her. What I would have given to be able to keep
that horse...
On the other side of the coin, my ex-roommate had had to deal with
arabs that were holy-terrors on hooves. (I've had to deal with
quarter horses with the same syndrome...) It's almost as bad as
religion!
I haven't REALLY ridden in years, and I'm a lifelong, oversentimental,
sucker of a horse nut. I'd pick out a horse to be a friend as well
as a mount. Someone I can trust and play with -- not an organic
mode of transportation. (I've been holding back posting to this
newsgroup too long!)
Karen A. Cate
Tektronix Inc, Beaverton OR
tektronix!amadeus!karenc -OR- [email protected]
P.S. If any of you out there live in the "West Portland" area
and need some help or are willing to trade some weekend
labor for riding/lesson privileges, drop me a line!
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From: [email protected] (John B. Nagle)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Arabs (was Re: horse breeds for children)
Date: 11 Jun 88 07:38:57 GMT
Reply-To: [email protected] (John B. Nagle)
Organization: Stanford University
The thing to avoid is starting a child off with a young, partly trained,
horse, especially one of a hot breed. A child's first horse should be
an old, reliable, well-trained beast. The kid will learn to ride on this
animal, and will soon be ready for something hotter. When the kid can
negotiate any trail with confidence, ride a passable dressage test, and
jump a 2'6" course, it's time to go shopping for something a little more
lively. You can then pass old reliable on to someone else; there's
always a market for those animals.
Two breeds merit special cautions: Arabians and Thoroughbreds.
These are the hotbloods, with higher energy levels than other breeds.
Because the bottom has fallen out of the collectable Arabian market, there
are some gorgeous animals available at quite reasonable prices. Many of
these horses have spent very little time under saddle. Be careful here.
In the Thoroughbred market, there's always a supply of ex-racehorses
just off the track. Retraining an ex-racehorse is a difficult proposition.
Peggy Jean Pittinger's "Reschooling the Thoroughbred" is the owner's
manual for the ex-racehorse, by the way. There's a definite Thoroughbred
mentality, which comes from three hundred years of racehorse breeding.
Most horses like to run, but with Thoroughbreds this approaches a compulsion.
Bear in mind that these animals can run 40MPH. Nevertheless, properly
retrained and sound ex-racehorses can be excellent riding animals.
But not for a beginning rider.
John Nagle
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From: SWEBB%[email protected]
Date: 11-JUN-1988 22:07:03.34
Subject: Introduction and Flipping
Greetings to all, as this is my first posting, though I have been
subscribing since March. I'll keep my introduction short as I am
not doing too much with horses right now. Currently I am in
Newfoundland (where?? Eastern Canada, with a very unique time zone)
working on my master's thesis and taking a horse break. I'm a
graduate A pony clubber, and if I have a specialty, it would
have to be keeping horses cheaply. I'll be glad to offer advice
and encouragement to anyone that finds themselves in similar dire
straits.
What has prompted me to post however, is Carl's outright condemnation
of all horses that have flipped over.
First, let me qualify what I am about to say as I will agree that any
horse that *maliciously* or *repeatedly* flips over should be
summarily executed, no questions asked. This is, of course, a judgement
call and frankly I'd rather be too hasty, than risk anyone getting
injured.
But if a horse is being pushed too far, and he rebels (as most will),
whose responsibility is that? It is the trainer's. The trainer is
responsible for recognizing when a deadlocked situation is approaching
and for avoiding it. Certainly, few horses rebel by instantly flipping over.
There are warning signs that must be heeded on a very individual basis
relating to the horse's personality and level of training. It must be
remembered that ANY horse can be made to flip over and that some
unfortunates actually use this as a training "trick" (promptly hogtying
the horse and leaving it to think for a while). I bring this up
as I was witness to the following scene. A new trainer appeared at
the farm I was riding at. His methods were, shall we say, a bit
blunter than those of the previous trainers. The higher strung horses
were soon rearing in protest, and a few went over. All horses that
protested were sold dirt cheap, and many were bought by people that
had been trying to buy these horses, but couldn't get the prices down.
None of these horses ever went over again in the few years that I knew
of them and one actually became the NYS Fair adult hunter champion.
I just think each instance of flipping (or any other dangerous
behavior) should be looked at carefully, before a rash decision is
prematurely made. Certainly if someone is encountering a large number
of horses that are flipping over, they need to evaluate their
training techniques.
Sue Webb or Dept. of Earth Sciences (Geophys)
[email protected] snail mail M.U.N.
St. John's, Newfoundland
Canada A1C 3L6
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From: [email protected] (Liz Gores)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: rearers
Date: 13 Jun 88 13:33:23 GMT
Organization: Bell Communications Research, Piscataway, NJ
Although usually just an avid reader of this newsgroup, as compared to
a contributor, I would like to get my two cents in on this topic.
Both Carl D. and Sue Webb had a point: a horse that is a confirmed rearer
is extremely dangerous, and should be destroyed. The sad fact is that
generally a horse becomes this way out of human abuse or mishandling.
I think Carl's friend went a little too far, clipping "KILLER" on it etc.
But we don't really know if this horse was a confirmer rearer, or if this
was the first time. The cause for rearing has to be determined; is the horse
legitimately afraid or confused, or is this a nasty habit developed over time,
invoked whenever the horse is asked to do something it doesn't feel like doing?
If a horse tries rearing out of fear or lack of understanding,
or during the breaking process, this is hardly cause for a death
sentence, and it can be overcome.
Case in point: my husband and I both train TB greenies on the side,
as an enjoyable (sometimes!) diversion from working for huge corporations.
We both have been riding, training and teaching for many years.
In '86 we got a well-bred gray 15.2 TB former brood mare, who had been
sat on once. Obviously she had flipped over, dumped her rider, and that
was that - the girl never got on her again. (We didn't know this when
we took her!) When we started breaking her, she flipped me off on a
regular basis. I always got back on, not wanting to let her get the
best of me. Normally a fairly aggressive rider, I told my husband
that if he was trying to get rid of me, there had to be a better way!
So one day, knowing full well she was going to pull her stunt, he
hooked her up to a lunge line and put me aboard. As usual, she started
to go over backwards; I promptly exited, and he started to yank on the
line. Naturally this made her go higher; she ended up flipping herself
over into a bunch of prickerbushes! The expression on her face was
priceless. And by the way, that was the last time she ever reared.
Once or twice afterwards she thought about it, and remembered.
We've encountered less dramatic rearing as a form of resistance during
the breaking process (i.e., refusing to leave the barn or other horses),
and nipped it in the bud with judicious use of a crop.
Now a few people might think flipping this mare over into the bushes extreme;
however, a confirmed rearer has no future. If this dangerous habit had become
firmly entrenched, she would be dog food by now. Instead, she is a lovely
pony-clubber for a 14 year old girl. The important thing is to understand
why a horse takes such action (is it defensive or offensive), and respond
appropriately.
Please excuse the excess verbiage; I guess that's why I only write every
few months!
Liz Gores
Piscataway, NJ
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Date: Mon 13 Jun 88 16:24:56-PDT
From: Marsha Jo Hannah <[email protected]>
Subject: Babysitter horses
Re: horse breeds for children
I agree with much of the advice coming in on horses for children (or for any
other beginner, for that matter), although my personal prejudices are such
that I'd probably not get an Arab or TB for that job. The problem here is
that you're dealing with a sensitive, intelligent, hot-blooded horse; being
sensitive, he feels every cue, which with a beginner may include a lot of
unintentional or contradictory commands. Being intelligent, he recognizes
the contradictory nature of the commands, but being hot-blooded, he frets
about what he should do, gets upset, then does what comes naturally--he goes
fast--which is not what Jan's 2-year-old son should be riding "by himself"! A
cold-blooded horse is more likely to stop when confused, and either wait for
further instructions or use his smarts to sort out which command had more
votes, then proceed accordingly. The trouble with most small ponies is that
they're also smart and have learned that they can get away with almost
anything, so they tend to follow their own agenda when they sense that the
rider isn't really in control.
Obviously, I do not believe that there is more variation amongst individuals
within a breed than between breeds. This may be true if one is comparing
similar or related breeds, but a Fjord and an Arab are going to react very
differently in a given situation, because these 2 breeds have been selected
(both by nature and by man) for different traits in the 4000+ years since they
shared ancestors. Because breeds are different, a buyer needs to know the
basic breed traits, to be aware of what to search for or guard against in an
individual of that breed.
For a babysitter horse, a vet check should be purely advisory. Carrying a
30-lb child isn't going to lame any horse; in fact, some of the safest
lead-line ponies are ones that have foundered at some point--they're less
likely to want to do something exciting, and ditto for an arthritic old
horse. A behavioral check (extensive test rides and/or taking the horse for
trial period) is much more important, and of course you don't want a horse
that's going to drop dead the week after the child falls in love with it, but
you're looking for a horse that's servicably sound, not competition sound.
It may pay dividends to have a private talk with the horse's regular
veterinarian, who is in a good position to know if the horse has obvious
behavioral problems.
Do pay attention to the horse's gaits--you want the smoothest possible
jog-trot, to make it easy for the child to stay on the horse. And look at
the horse's back--most kids like to ride bareback, which is unpleasant on a
bony back.
Stallions are definitely out, but mares can be just as good as geldings.
For a babysitter horse, we're definitely talking "aged", by which point most
mares have come to terms with their heat cycle (or lost interest). Again,
the behavioral check is the most important aspect. Mares are rumored to feel
more "maternal" towards small children, hence take better care of them, but I
suspect that is again an individual trait.
DEFINITELY get a helmet, and make the child wear it. The child may well ask
why he should if you don't wear one, so be prepared to set a good example by
buying and wearing a helmet yourself. (Who will take the child home across
that busy road if you're lying in the middle of the bridle path?) I don't
know the details of AHSA approved vs Pony Club approved helmets, but it
should have a chin strap and NO VISOR--a rigid visor has been shown to cause
severe spinal injuries in falls; use a baseball cap or jockey's helmet cover
over the helmet if the child complains of the sun in his eyes. Western-style
hard hats (a felt hat over a visor-less helmet shell) are also available, if
the child prefers to look like a cowboy.
Back to the issue of breeds for children: Most of the American horse breeds
that used to be considered good breeds for children now also come in pony
form--Morgan ponies, Quarter ponies, and Ponies of the Americas (Appaloosa
ponies). These usually will have avoided the "stylish" out-crossings of
the parent breed, although may have substituted Shetland pony, instead (the
classic too-smart-for-his-own-good pony). A chunky 13.2 to 14.2 hh grade
horse or pony is probably a good bet--too big to be Shetland, too small to be
TB, too round to be Arab!
I guess the bottom line is to look for the right individual, and go with your
instincts. Find a horse that you as a parent are willing to TRUST your child
to, then go for it!
Marsha Jo Hannah; Star Route 2, Box 403; La Honda, CA 94020
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From: [email protected] (Dennis M. O'Connor)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Reply To Dennis O'Connor
Date: 13 Jun 88 17:37:52 GMT
Reply-To: oconnor%[email protected]
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center
An article by [email protected] (Deitrick) says:
] > My wife has an Arab. Arabsare one of the smartest breeds ...
] > ... my wife's Arab has gone up-and-back-and-over and landed on her
] > Western saddle at least 3 times, and the tree is undamaged. )
] > Dennis O'Connor oconnor%[email protected] ARPA: [email protected]
]
] This has nothing to do with the horse being an Arab. It's a horse with a
] deadly serious habit, but is not typical of Arabs, or any other breed.
Sorry, you are wrong. It probably DOES have something to do with the
horse being smart, and is NOT a deadly serious habit.
]
] Any horse that goes up and over is a potential killer and deserves a bullet
] in the head. I mean that literally and seriously.
You don't know the circumstances. You are leaping to a conclusion
without all the facts.
] A friend of mine got stuck with a flipper for his first horse. He didn't know
] it was a flipper until the trainer tried to push it hard in a dressage
] session. The horse rebelled, went up and over, and landed on the trainer.
] [ ... forse was immediately sent to a slaughterhouse ... ]
] THAT'S THE ONLY REASONABLE THING TO DO WITH A FLIPPER!!!
]
] Carl Deitrick
Well, in THAT particular case, you may be correct. In the case of
Rocket Fire ( my wife's Arab ), AKA Rockhead, you are not. Rockhead's
problem is he KNOWS he can break cross-ties, and leads if they are
tied to something. He learned this before we got him. If he gets
annoyed at being tied, he pulls back and rears up until the ties
are pulled out of the wood or the lead breaks : naturally he then
proceeds to fall over on his back. ( He doesn't try this when
being led by hand, because it won't work, and he recognizes his
shipping halter and won't try this trick in it either, for the
same reason. ) Last time he did this, he broke a heavy web lead,
so we retied him and be broke the chain on the lead ( it was over
his nose at the time ), so we made a new lead of 1/2" nylon rope
and he broke the chrome-plated snap. We replaced the snap with
a solid-brass snap, but haven't really wanted to try tying him
since. It amazed me, though : that's one strong head and neck !
But what do we tie him with if the brass snap breaks ?
No wonder people are taught to never get in a tug-of-war with
a horse! ( Of course, I once reflexively grabbed my horse's
( named Nomad ) tail to try to keep him from running off : I don't
thinkit even slowed him down. At least Nomad didn't kick me : then
I'd REALLY have felt stoopid. )
However, Rockhead has never "flipped" while being ridden.
He is NOT a mankiller. Just too damn smart.
I have no argument with destroying a horse that has learned
to attack people : my wife graduated with honors from SUNY-
Cobleskill's Horse Husbandry program, and that's one of the
many things they taught her. ( I present my wifes
credentials to support the proposition that my wife
would know a killer if she met one. She has met one. )
However, if you have any pity or mercy in you at all, have
the horse put down by a vet. Horses are generally NOT
humanely slaughtered ( as cows and other livestock are ).
They are typically killed with an axe.
Overdosing the horse with anesthetic is the way to do it.
Remember, horses become killers because of abuse. There
are no born-killer horses. So please pity a poor animal
that's been turned crazy by one of the thousands of
incompetant "trainers". It's not really the horse's fault.
And if any of you readers have ever trained a horse that
turned into a killer : Yes, it is your fault. So flame me.
--
Dennis O'Connor oconnor%[email protected] ARPA: [email protected]
"Never confuse USENET with something that matters, like PIZZA."
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From: [email protected] (Joyce Andrews)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: The Old Sage on children's horses
Date: 13 Jun 88 21:55:25 GMT
Organization: AT&T Consumer Products, Indianapolis
Somebody identified me as the "old workhorse" or something like
that, and I do admit to having been around a long time, so I'd
like to add something on the subject of children's horses and
breeds.
The HOTTEST horse I ever worked with (my horse experience started
in the 50's) was a quarter horse. Several of the NICEST horses I
ever worked with were quarter horses. The best horse for
children I ever owned was a hackney/arab cross. The best horse
for beginners I ever used as an instructor was a big draft/paint
of undetermined breed. My favorite breed is thoroughbred, and I
have had exracehorses and bred them myself.
I have known "killers in almost every breed. I have known nice horses
in almost every breed. Back to the quarter horses.....
At the same time in my 4-H club (1970's), I had two girls the
same age, both of whom owned quarter horses. The horses actually
had similar breeding (Poco, I think). The chestnut gelding was
the meanest SOB I've ever known, and should have been shot. I
worked with him myself for a while, thinking he was smart enough
to have the girl's number. He tried to kill me, too. The mare
was one of those sweet things that tried to do everything her
owner asked, and was used English, hunter (small fences), Western
Riding, showmanship, etc.
Since I worked with the two at the same time, they make a good
contrast. Both were REAL quarter horses, not the 7/8 TB variety
that have become so popular.
You just can't tell the horse by the breed......
--
Joyce Andrews King
ihnp4!inuxd!jla
AT&T, Indianapolis
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From: [email protected] (Adrienne Regard)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: horse breeds for children
Date: 13 Jun 88 16:46:17 GMT
Reply-To: [email protected] (Adrienne Regard)
Organization: Citicorp/TTI, Santa Monica
I was a relatively late bloomer, a very small kid for the major part of my
childhood. And one of my primary jobs in my pony club was riding the
ponies of the younger kids to break them of bad habits (since I was older,
better trained, and yet still small enough to ride the little buggers).
I have also trained about 6 ponies over the years, of varying breeds and
qualities, and am just about to buy a couple of animals for my own kids,
and I tell you I wouldn't buy a pony on a bet.
I've loved my welshes, and Connemaras are as cute as buttons, but you have
to be able to adequately school a beginners horse, and you can't always
do that, or get that done, for something under 14 hands -- not without
feeling like the ogre of the world.
I'm not looking for a blood line, but I'm certainly looking for a 14-15 hand
mature animal that can be used by my kids first, and their less-than-expert
friends later when they graduate onto better animals. I plan to pick a
the hills. The "pleasure" horse of the past used to be just such an animal
-- the kind you point in one direction and then forget about. I don't care
from ugly -- but I want gentle without laziness, and trustworthy.
And the best way to tell is to ride 'em yourself (if you know how to ride,
of course), or have a riding instructor do it for you -- they know what the
beginners problems are.
Now, all you pony lovers out there can fry me to a crisp. Though one of
the saddest days of my life was selling my halter winning welsh, I wouldn't
have her for my kids now for love or money (though I'd sure like to have
her for myself.).
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From: [email protected] (Moe Bradley)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: horse breeds for children
Summary: Why do Arabs get marked as the "bad guys?'
Date: 13 Jun 88 13:52:27 GMT
Organization: Analysis & Technogy's Embedded Computer Group, New London, CT
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Dennis M. O'Connor) writes:
>
> Do NOT NOT NOT get an Arabian. My wife has an Arab. Arabs
> are one of the smartest breeds of horses, perhaps the smartest.
> This is NOT good for inexperienced riders. An Arab can tell
> the moment you lose your seat, and then twist-jump-buck and
> you're on the ground. My wife says that her horse has taught
> her a LOT about riding, but it has also taught her what
> it's like to be thrown through a post-and-rail fence.
> The horse is not mean : it's just too damn smart.
>
Here we go again. Another QH owner spreading the myth about Arabs
being too hard to handle. I, for one, am tired of hearing it. You
can keep your cold-blooded beasts, but I want a horse that's smart
enough to get out of its own way.
Arabs are smart, and that usually works to the rider's advantage,
even inexperienced, beginner riders. My first riding horse was
an Arab mare. She taught me an unbelieveable amount about riding
and horse care. The best lesson that she taught me was when it was
time to move onward and upward to a new horse. She liked beginner
riders--when she felt that you had learned enough she let you know
that it was time to move on. I felt completely safe in entrusting my
3-year-old neice to her for a walk around the pasture, with only a
halter and leadline on her. (The leadline was for my neice to hold,
rather than grabbing a handful of mane!). Jane never let anything
ruffle her when she had a young or inexperienced rider on her back or
working around her. The more experienced the rider, the more of a
Challenge Jane gave them, but with a kid she was the perfect
babysitter, and with a beginner she was the perfect tutor.
> Do not get a mare, or a stallion. Some are okay, but others
> can be a handful, especially mares in heat or stallions
> around mares in heat. Geldings are best for most riders.
>
Sounds like good advice, especially when dealing with cold-blooded
breeds, like QH. Some mares can be difficult, but I think that
depends on the personality of the individual horse. As far asa
stallions go, I know that youths are not allowed to show stallions in
QH shows. Arabian shows allow it, probably due to Arab stallions
being easier to handle than some of the other breeds. Most Arab
stallions I've dealt with know when it's time to put on their stallion
act, and know when to keep it under wraps.
> My probably-90%-quarter-horse is very friendly. Quarter Horses
> have a reputation for "cow-sense" and calmness, at least the
> "working" style QH.....
>
I've ridden Saddlebreds, Arabs, Morgans, QHs, Thoroughbreds, etc. In
my opinion I'd trust a warm to hot blooded horse over a cold-blooded
breed anyday. For most of the QHs I've had to deal with, calm is
just another word for "dumb". (Flame if you wish, but I am
entitled to my opinions and prejudices).
The important thing about getting a horse for a child, or for anyone
for that matter, is how well the person gets along with an individual
horse. Don't let yourself be limited by breed--each breed has its good
and bad points, and anyone you ask will point you in the direction of
their personal preference. (For example, I would certainly recommend
a well-trained Arab or Half-Arab for a rider of any age, and any
experience level). Look at as many horses as you can, and choose the
one that your child bonds with. Any breeding or bloodline will do, if
they like each other, and are willing to form a partnership and bond
together.
Good luck.
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Date: Tue, 14 Jun 1988 11:55:58 EDT
From: Jan Burruss <[email protected]>
Subject: Flippers
This is in response to Carl's msg about the horse that reared up and over
backwards on his trainer, resulting in injury to the trainer and the
slaughterhouse for the horse. I have to say that I think this action may have
been unwarranted (and certainly was cruel in how it was handled). We don't know
all the details of the situation, of course, but just because a horse is pushed
so far by one rider doesn't mean he will 'flip' again or with another rider.
My own experience with my first horse was a case in point.
I bought a very young (3 yrs) quarterhorse gelding from a ranch in Florida. He
was beautiful, we were not horse smart, and bought him for all the wrong
reasons (beauty, cheap price, etc.). As we found out later, he had been
horribly abused by the cowboys who rode/trained him (his tongue had been cut
almost in half, we think after we initally saw him, since we had checked his
mouth). So, right after we got him, we had an aquaintance ride/'train' him for
one session -- the horse reared up and over at least once (it was 23 years ago,
so memory fails). Our 'cure' was to put him out to pasture for several months
so the bad experiences would move back in his mind. He and I became great pals
during this time -- I'd go over after school every day and read books and hang
around with him while he followed me around the pasture like a puppy dog. My
father made friends in the same way.) Then, after he had rested for several
months, we completely and gently retrained him under an English saddle.
Probably, his young age and endearing, gentle personality helped cure him of
his bad habits. I would like to think a gentle hand also helped. He never,
never reared again after that one time, nor did I ever fear he would do so. He
was never totally stable, either, and occassionally would try out his
quarterhorse speed by running away with me. But, he breaks the rule that 'once
a flipper, always a flipper.' That's just not so in all cases; as in
everything, each animal must be considered individually, and each horse/rider
combination must also be considered individually.
Thanks for listening. And thanks for all the good advice about choosing breeds
for young children. After 4 unfortunate experiences with bad horse choices, my
father and I have gotten wise (and luckier) and now have 2 beautiful, older,
very calm and gentle QH mares who serve our needs perfectly. Now for that
perfect Connemara or Fjord pony (or gentle, older horse of any breed, which we
may already own) for my little boy! Thanks.
Jan Burruss
Cambridge MA
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From: [email protected] (Jennifer Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Babysitter horses
Date: 14 Jun 88 16:18:06 GMT
Organization: Theory Center, Cornell U., Ithaca NY
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Marsha Jo Hannah) writes:
> Re: horse breeds for children
>
> For a babysitter horse, a vet check should be purely advisory. Carrying a
> 30-lb child isn't going to lame any horse; in fact, some of the safest
> lead-line ponies are ones that have foundered at some point--they're less
Just a quick point, to revalidate the absolute importance of a vet check.
Have you ever ridden a horse with heaves? Horses with respiratory trouble
cough even at the walk. A little 2 year old would *not* be able to hold
his seat while "riding by himself" if his babysitter horse thrust his head
down to cough. More likely, he'd find himself tumbling down the horse's
neck to the ground. A kid that age can't possibly know to "give" with a
horse's head movement, and a cough is hard even for an experienced rider.
A vet check reveals much more than unsoundness in the feet!
Jennifer Moore
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From: [email protected] (Deitrick)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Dangerous Horses
Date: 14 Jun 88 15:39:00 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories - Naperville, Illinois
Looks like I chucked a rock into a hornet's nest with my comments about
horses that flip. Let me elaborate on my comments.
Lou, the friend I mentioned, had bought that horse from an organization called
Friends Of Handicapped Riders, a non-profit agency that would accept horses
in donation. People would donate a horse they couldn't at the price they
wanted, take the tax write-off, and FOHR would sell the horse as it could
for whatever it could. FOHR was run out of the stable where Lou and I were
riding and we would ride these donation horses. Lou was looking for a horse
and found a donation horse he liked and that he rode for a month or two
before he bought it. When he bought it, he took it to a trainer who had been
giving lessons at the barn. The trainer was riding the horse one day, asking
it to engage itself, when the horse went up, over, and on it's back. The
trainer wound up in the hospital for several days.
Lou told all this to FOHR and found that they had had suspicions that the
horse would do it. The instructors at the stable had noticed that the horse
would rear somewhat when it's rider asked it to do something it didn't want
to do. Lou was just livid that they had sold a horse they knew to be
dangerous, and so demanded and got his money back. He couldn't in good
conscience sell the horse, so he had no choice but to turn it into dog meat.
The horse was a malicious flipper. Turning it into dog meat was the proper
and just thing to do. Any one who says it isn't doesn't know anything
about horses.
Sue Webb described a trainer whose methods where ... blunter ... then the
methods of other trainers. She said the high-strung horses he worked with
would rear and sometimes go over and that those who did were sold for real
cheap. She describes how some of those horse who flipped eventually did
well at big shows.
I agree that these horse reared and flipped over as the result of being
asked for more than they were physically or mentally capable of handling.
This is entirely the trainer's fault, and maybe the trainer should "go
down the road". There is no doubt that the horse is not at fault. A little
love, kindness, affection, and discipline will probably set these horse
straight.
Dennis O'Connor described a horse who more than once launched his wife into
a fence, who regularly breaks cross-ties for thrills, and who has THREE
TIMES!! flipped over. Dennis brags how the saddle survived the flipping.
THIS HORSE HAS ***SERIOUS*** PROBLEMS. This horse has learned that it is
in charge. THIS HORSE IS DANGEROUS!!! He has to put the fear of God into
this horse NOW or turn him into dog meat. If he doesn't, some person
(e.g. his wife) will be badly hurt or killed.
>Today, I am so sad and mad after I read the story Carl told. From my
>viewpoint, I think every creature has the right to survive in this world.
>And every creature is born free, including horses. I don't know
>why human beings are just so selfish and mean. They want to control
>everything in this world, not only over the animals but also another person.
>If they can't make it, they just destroy them. That is very unfair.
>
> Michael (no last name) at Princeton
Three fundamental truths about horses: (1) they move; (2) they eat;
(3) they won't do what they don't want to. There is no such thing as
A horse lets a person put a saddle on them for the first time because the
horse trusts the person. All the things a horse can do under saddle are the
outcome of the horse's nature to move forward and their trust in their
human. I have owned one horse or another for almost seven years; I have owned
my current horse for more than three years. I have been taking lessons
regularly for all that time but my real agenda in all this is to have my
horse trust me. I want him to know that if I ask him to do something, it
is safe and he can do it without worrying about getting hurt.
My horse enjoys his work, nickers when I come into the barn, watches me
from his stall as I do things in the aisle, listens well when I'm riding
and ask him to do something. I in turn listen hard to what he tries to
tell me about what I'm doing. Is he comfortable? Does he understand? Is
he frightened? Is he sore? Am I asking him for things he can't yet handle?
Have I done everything I can do to make things possible for him?
Despite all this, there are times when my horse does things that are
dangerous. For instance, several weeks ago I was riding him in a large
(4-5 acres) field that has some jumps in it. We were cantering and
jumping in practice for a Novice event. We were coming off a fence when
he bolted - in a split second he took off just as fast as he could move.
A 1200 pound horse moving at better than thirty miles an hour is no
joke. A horse gets unbalanced at that speed and you can easily wind up
dead. I finally got him under control, but he tried it again a little
later.
This past Sunday, I rode him out there again but this time I had a gag
snaffle in his mouth (I had an egg-butt snaffle in him when he bolted).
We went all over that field at a bold, forward canter. I was hoping that
he would bolt because I was going to use the power of the gag bit to put
him on his hocks when he did. I was going to make him **HURT** to tell
him that he dare not bolt. It turns out that he didn't try it, but had
he, he'd regret it.
My point in all this is that I truly love horses in general and that
horse in particular, but if he ever becomes dangerous, I am going to
deal with the situation immediately and make him un-dangerous. If he
won't become un-dangerous, I'm going to make him dead. My life or his
is an easy choice to make.
Your peace-love-dove-dope-Woodstock crap is just that - crap. You'll
change your tune the first time one of these oat-eaters bites you or
kicks you.
Carl Deitrick
ihnp4!ihuxv!cbd
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| 77.69 | Equestrian Digest Issue #95 | LDP::BELANGER | N1FTD 5.01(N1FTD@K1UGM)/6.64-/7.45 | Thu Jun 23 1988 11:09 | 490 |
| Equestrian Digest Thu 16 Jun 1988 Issue 95
Today's Topics:
Inflammatory Articles
Children and horses
Re: horse breeds for children
Re: Arabs (was Re: horse breeds for children)
trail riding trip (long)
Re: Dangerous Horses
Horse Breed Bigots (was: horse breeds for children)
Saddle and tack for sale
Re: Babysitter horses
Final Letter To Dennis O'Connor
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Date: Thu, 16 Jun 88 16:52:28 EDT
From: [email protected] (Equestrian Digest Coordinator)
Subject: Inflammatory Articles
Reply-To: [email protected] (Ken Rossen)
The discussions on breeds and on difficult horses, which have been taking
place in part in USENET's "rec.equestrian" (and which, therefore, you have
been witnessing on the mailing list in its entirity) has degenerated
somewhat, to the point where there is more heat than light in some of the
contributions. This issue contains some strongly worded articles in the
continuing saga which I received from the newsgroup gateway yesterday.
I briefly considered omitting these articles from this issue, since they
are essentially flames, but it has been my practice, and my promise
in the introductory message (yes, I know some of you have been subscribing
so long you've never seen the introductory message) to include everything
I get, so I don't feel comfortable doing any editing without a policy change
statement to you all.
So my intention is to continue NOT to edit or refuse equestrian articles
for content. I am interested in messages from any of you who have strong
feelings about this policy, one way or the other. If I get a lot of mail
on the subject, the majority opinion will prevail.
Please note that the "Followup-To: alt.flame" line in Dennis' articles
means that the line of followups will probably not remain in rec.equestrian,
and therefore not appear in the Digest.
Comments invited.
--
Ken Rossen [email protected]
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From: chip%[email protected] (Chip Kozy)
Subject: Children and horses
Date: 14 Jun 88 17:36:09 GMT
I've been following the discussion on horses for kids with
some interest. One thing that hasn't been mentioned, though, is
training. Granted you should start with a good, sound horse with
as few vices as possible, but wouldn't it be wise to have the child
in lessons for a bit before actually going out and looking for a
mount? At least that way the child has an idea of what to do and
how to do it. It also might be smart to place the mount/child
combination in training as a pair so they can "learn" each other
under professionally controlled conditions. Another thing that could
work in favor of getting a proper mount for the child is that if the
kid's being taught by a professional trainer, the trainer will have some
idea of what the kid is like as a rider and personality. Then, when
you find a good prospect, you can have the trainer look him over at the
same time the vet does, and measure the suitability of the horse to
the rider. You then have a mount that has been appraised by two
professionals (this from the standpoint that the trainer will have
"missed" far less than someone not as knowledgeable), and you could
feel a bit more secure with your choice.
As for what breed is good and what bad, I don't think that
matters near as much as the personality of the horse itself...same
with age, although "older" does imply "more stable". My daughter
rides a 4 year old in lessons. This horse is used for riders from
beginners through eventers (he took a third at a horse trials this
past Sunday (trainer riding), and Heather couldn't be more proud if
she'd been aboard), and is a real sweetheart. He's also 16.3 hands.
All in all I guess what I'm trying to say is that there's
no one breed, or whatever that can be termed "good" or "bad" for a
first horse. There's good and bad in everything...you just have to
find the good ones.
Sto lat;
Chip
,,
*** SOLIDARNOSC ***
Chip Kozy (415) 939-2400 @ Varian 2700 Mitchell Dr. Walnut Creek, Cal. 94598
...!pacbell!varian!vaxwaller!chip
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From: [email protected] (Kate Symonds)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: horse breeds for children
Date: 15 Jun 88 10:29:21 GMT
Reply-To: [email protected] (Kate Symonds)
Organization: NetExpress Communications, Inc., Vienna, VA
everyone is going back and forth about arabs and quarters horses, after
arabs were panned for being a 'little' not safe for children. everybody
had these feelings about one kind of horse or another. i am a little
sorry to see that ponies have been not even been considered. how come no
one has recomended a nice class a welsh pony? not one that's been in a
back yard and is possibly pretty rank but one that has a back ground as a
short stirrup show pony. a little expensive, maybe, but keep looking and you
should be able to find a furry saint for $500 or so. now here's one i bet no
one has heard of - the DARTMOOR. There arent many of them in the country, but
i ended up with one who ended up with a child who was one of the most timid
kids i have ever met. the pony has never given any grief - she has the
attitude 'i'll be glad to do that! sounds like fun!' - no malicious, just
really glad to do what ever you want quietly and reasonably. i got mine from
FARNLY FARMS in white post, va. (c/o Mrs K
i mean mrs joan romaine, 804-837-1559. if the 804 area code doesnt make it,
try 703.
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From: [email protected] (Wendy Milner)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Arabs (was Re: horse breeds for children)
Date: 13 Jun 88 20:53:39 GMT
Organization: HP Fort Collins, CO
I have been associated with Arabs for a few years and
have found them to run the entire scale from well mannered
gentle horses, to unmanageable pains.
My friend owns a horse that until two years ago was a stallion.
At age 18 he was gelded as part of a vet study. This horse
can carry a child through a show ground without being bothered
by anything. Place a smart teenager on his back, and he
tries to find things to spook at. As a stallion, he pulled
a wedding cart through the city of Boulder CO. (This city
is known for strange events.)
A different friend owns a gelding that is a hopeless case.
He tries not to learn.
My own Arab - due to deliver her first foal any minute now -
is realy sweet. While I was on patrol (as a state park ranger),
a 3 year old boy decided he wanted to hug the horse. He
ran up behind her and grabbed her back leg. Poor Pharalina
didn't do anything. Her eyes got wide and she looked around,
but she never picked up her leg. On the other hand, she has
enough run in her to go 50 miles in 5 hours, or cross a
mountain range in a day. Put an inexperienced rider on her,
and she "forgets" to listen to the rider. She doesn't buck
and kick and run, she just wanders around a little. Put an
experienced rider on her, and she will try to do exactly what
is asked.
In my somewhat biased opinion, when the Arab is trained properly,
you have one of the best horses around. *** Now let's here from
those who think they have the best horse breed. *****
Wendy Milner
Hewlett-Packard
Fort Collins Colorado
Home of some of the best riding country any where.
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Date: Wed, 15 Jun 88 16:50 5
From: "James E. Jones" <JAMES1%[email protected]>
Subject: trail riding trip (long)
Hi!
I've recently returned from a trip with my sister that included
two all day trail rides. I would like to give a quick impression of the
trip and then ask some questions.
I am a novice rider, having been riding and taking lessions in
the english/hunt seat style for about 4 years. My sister is a
beginner, having ridden a few times before. We went on a package trip
to Western Maryland (Garrett County), on what may be called
nothing else. The housing was very nice -- a condo on a lake front
with full kitchen facilities, and air conditioning (good for my Mother
who accompanied us). We shared the condo with three other persons who
went with us on the trail rides.
The trail rides had a lot of pluses, some disapointments and one
*big* minus that I'll come to. There were 25 people on the trail ride (there
was another group along with our group). We were divided into a 'beginning'
group (haven't been on a horse), 'intermediate' group (know something but would
like a quiet horse), and 'advanced' (would like an active, responsive horse)
group. I joined the 'advanced' group (that may not have been wise, comments?),
and my sister joined the 'beginner' group. The horses all looked in good
condition, and I was looking forward to the trip when I noticed something
that would bother me all day long. As each person was assigned a horse (we
didn't have to tack up) most people clumped together in a grassy area close
by. The horses got nervous around each other and some of them soon began to
kick out at horses that got too close. The people running the rides
tried to space the riders out more, but unfortunatly, some riders
couldn't get their mounts to move, and there were always more horses
to assign. I was happy with my horse, who was nervous but listened when I
asked him to do things.
The kicking problem continued on the ride, since most of the
riders were at nose to tail distance from each other. A couple of
people got kicked on their stirrups, but no one was hurt. The rides
themselves were great, the first day consisting of a trip on rocky
trails over a range of hills, and the second day circling a lake. No
flies either!
Two or three times each trip we would change pace, usually to
a run (I think that is correct, I'm thinking of canter in english
style) once we got to an open area. The people running the ride asked
everyone wheither they wanted to run before starting, but I think that
some of us were reluctant to be seen as 'scared'. This led to the
situation that got me very worried -- in fact, I was frightened at what
might happen. Picture approxiamately 15 people running their horses
across a grassy area. The people running the ride had told us to
stick to a certain area and avoid running to close to or passing other
people, but in the heat of things, the riders either didn't or
couldn't follow instructions. The horses all got very excited and I
could see some people who were just 'holding on'. A worse situation
was when we were set loose in a large field and told basically to 'do
what you want'. After a couple of close encounters with other riders
on near collision course with me (no, I wasn't thinking clearly
either), I moved a distance away from the others and watched everyone
zig-zag across the field. Fortunatly, nothing ever happened, but boy
was I *worried*. My sister may have been wiser then I; she moved to
the back of the line and avoided having to worry about people behind
her.
So now my questions (and thanks for patiently reading my impressions):
we spent $99 each for this trip and think we got our money's worth. Do you
think that the ride was organised badly? I would have preferred a smaller
number -- like 5 to 10 riders. What is the best thing for me to do when I am
with a large number of people about to start galloping? Go to the end of the
line and hope? Or should I even be there?
I would like to go on another trail ride, or even a riding camp for
adults (lessions, jumping, trail rides, caring for horses). I asked my
instructor about any possibilities on the East Coast, and she shrugged her
shoulders. Now, I would be interested in anyplace in North America. Does
anyone know of a relatively inexpensive place that we could go? Or am I
dreaming?
I would appreciate any comments from other people on the list. Thanks
for listening!
James E. Jones, Jr.
College of Engineering
Northeastern University
Boston, Massachusetts 02115
CSNet: [email protected]
ARPAnet: [email protected]@relay.cs.net
BITnet: [email protected]@csnet-relay
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From: [email protected] (Dennis M. O'Connor)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian,alt.flame
Subject: Re: Dangerous Horses
Date: 15 Jun 88 17:58:06 GMT
Reply-To: oconnor%[email protected]
Followup-To: alt.flame
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center
An article by [email protected] (Deitrick) says:
] Dennis O'Connor described a horse who more than once launched his wife into
] a fence, who regularly breaks cross-ties for thrills, and who has THREE
] TIMES!! flipped over. Dennis brags how the saddle survived the flipping.
] THIS HORSE HAS ***SERIOUS*** PROBLEMS. This horse has learned that it is
] in charge. THIS HORSE IS DANGEROUS!!! He has to put the fear of God into
] this horse NOW or turn him into dog meat. If he doesn't, some person
] (e.g. his wife) will be badly hurt or killed.
Listen, jerk : My wife knows more about horses than I do, probably
more about horses than you do, and CERTAINLY more about this
PARTICULAR horse than you do. It's HER horse, not mine, as well.
For an assinine fool like YOU to advise that ANY horse be destroyed
because of what they read on the net is TOTALLY inappropriate.
I don't tell my wife what to do with her horse, and I'm not about
to let son NET.ARROGANT.MORON do it, either.
However, point by point :
and it was because the rear cinch was not tied to the front,
slipped back and slapped him in the groin. I'd like to
slap YOU in the groin a few times with a leather strap :
just to see if YOU should be destroyed as an unsafe killer.
Not for thrills. And never when lead by hand, or when
a rider is up.
being tied : i.e. as a result of the laws of physics, not
the horses intent to flip. So how does this make the horse
worse than any other horse that can't be tied ?
This horse is NOT dangerous, you asshole. If all you understand
about horse training is "putting the fear of God" in the animal,
no wonder you end up with "killers". Get out of the industry,
you bastard! Who the hell taught you horsemanship, anyway :
COWBOY BOB ? Have you EVER heard of "breaking without force"?
"Brag"-ing about the plastic-treed saddle ? What, did I make it
that I should brag about it ? Asshole, I was recommending the
plastic-treed saddles as being durable. They are also lighter.
Or maybe macho cowboys like YOU want saddles that are heavy
and trees that crack easily ?
See you in ALT.FLAME : quick-to-judge pompous sh*theads like
you deserve it.
--
Dennis O'Connor oconnor%[email protected] ARPA: [email protected]
"Never confuse USENET with something that matters, like PIZZA."
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From: [email protected] (Dennis M. O'Connor)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian,alt.flame
Subject: Horse Breed Bigots (was: horse breeds for children)
Summary: bigots and racist : noone needs those idiots
Date: 15 Jun 88 19:28:07 GMT
Reply-To: oconnor%[email protected]
Followup-To: alt.flame
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center
An article by [email protected] (Moe Bradley) says:
] In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
Dennis M. O'Connor) writes:
] >
] > Do NOT NOT NOT get an Arabian. My wife has an Arab. Arabs
] > are one of the smartest breeds of horses, perhaps the smartest.
] > This is NOT good for inexperienced riders. [...]
]
] Here we go again. Another QH owner spreading the myth about Arabs
] being too hard to handle. I, for one, am tired of hearing it. You
] can keep your cold-blooded beasts, but I want a horse that's smart
] enough to get out of its own way.
I apologize if you misunderstood, but the remark about Arabs
above explicitly recommends against getting an Arab for a
GREEN rider. Perhaps I did overstate my position. Arabs
are ON AVERAGE smarter and ON AVERAGE require more experience
to ride than other breeds, but an individual may be fine.
For experienced riders, Arabs have many advantages ( on average ) :
intelligence, stamina, strength out of proportion to their size.
They also are "easy keepers', have nice big feet, and won't
( generally ) guzzle water when they are sweated up too much.
] I've ridden Saddlebreds, Arabs, Morgans, QHs, Thoroughbreds, etc. In
] my opinion I'd trust a warm to hot blooded horse over a cold-blooded
] breed anyday. For most of the QHs I've had to deal with, calm is
] just another word for "dumb". (Flame if you wish, but I am
] entitled to my opinions and prejudices).
Since you asked, yes, I wish to flame.
You're a bigot. I could tell that from early on. That's BIGOT, like
in racist, as opposed to intelligent being. Your loss, I say.
And BTW, quarterhorses ARE warm-blooded : there's quite a lot
of desert horse in ALL the light horse breeds. For cold bloods,
you go to draft horses, like shires. May one step on you.
Shows how ignorant a bigot you really are. Can you even name
the foundation stallions of the TB breed ? Without looking it up ?
Do you know the name of ther foundation horse of the Morgan
breed ? Oh, you probably saw that in a Disney movie.
Do you know the story of the founding of the Arabian breed ?
How many, what sexes, what tests passed by the foundation horses ?
Do you know the TRUTH about the missing vertebrae in Arabs ?
If you don't even know these sidenotes, you probably don't
have a thorough knowledge of the important stuff either.
Oh, BTW : the dumbest mule ever dropped from a draft mare
is smarter than the smartest Arab that ever lived. You
won't see a mule run until it drops dead, or panic when
tangled in wire and cut itself to ribbons. "Horse" in
general is 'just another word for "dumb"', as you said.
So is "Moe Bradley", apparently.
Did you get everything you know about horses from _Equus_?
Probably. OR are you one of those "I've been riding since I was
six months old and therefor I a an AUTHORITY" dimwits ?
Is there any FORMAL equine education backing up your big mouth ?
See you in ALT.FLAME, a fitting place for BIGOTS like you.
--
Dennis O'Connor oconnor%[email protected] ARPA: [email protected]
"Never confuse USENET with something that matters, like PIZZA."
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From: [email protected] (Robert J. Boulanger)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian,misc.forsale,ne.forsale
Subject: Saddle and tack for sale
Keywords: Tex-tan saddle, 15-inch
Date: 15 Jun 88 18:35:22 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Calcomp, A Lockheed Company, Hudson, NH, USA
FOR SALE
15-inch Tex-Tan saddle. Almost brand new, very seldom used. Also have
additional bits, reins, and other tack to go with it.
Asking $350.00.
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Date: Thu 16 Jun 88 08:50:10-PDT
From: Marsha Jo Hannah <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Babysitter horses
Re: horse breeds for children, a.k.a. babysitter horses
I think this whole discussion has made it obvious why there are so many
breeds of horses--people can't agree on what characteristics the perfect
horse should have--some like 'em hot, some like 'em cold (or tall/short,
or fat/thin, or ...). Consequently, we have different breeds for different
needs. Each breed has its advocates and detractors, and the resulting
"discussions" develop the same fervor as for religion or politics. Some
folks haven't found any one breed that exactly fills the bill, so are trying
various combinations, which is where new breeds come from. The important
thing, tho', is whether you and your horse are having fun at it--that's
what this crazy passtime is all about!
But, getting back to Jan's original problem--it sounds as though you may
already have the horse you need for your 2-year-old son to ride "all by
himself". Pick whichever of your calm, gentle, older QH mares you trust the
most, choose a time when the horse is maximally mellow (about 10am for mine),
put a helmet on your son, and give it a try. You probably want to give your
son something other than the reins to hang onto (western saddle horn,
bareback pad with a grab strap, or vaulting surcingle), then start by you
leading the horse from the ground, then lungeing her with your son aboard,
then ponying, then having him follow you around in the arena, before trying
it out on a trail. (Obviously, not all in the same session--his attention
span will probably be about 15 minutes, max.) Opinions diverge on the issue
of using stirrups on the child's saddle or bareback pad--some say stirrups
help the child stay on; others claim they'd rather have a kid fall off
cleanly than risk hanging up in a stirrup; do what feels right to you.
But, have fun!
If you are interested in learning more about Fjords, there are several
breeders near you in Vermont and New Hampshire; visiting one might make an
interesting outing for you some weekend. Some are into dressage and driving;
others farm or log with their ponies. For more information, including a list
of breeders, contact the Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry, % Pam McWethy,
Box 655, Acworth, NH 03601, (603) 835-6932.
Marsha Jo Hannah; Star Route 2, Box 403; La Honda, CA 94020
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From: [email protected] (Deitrick)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Final Letter To Dennis O'Connor
Keywords: I Guess I Got Told!!
Date: 16 Jun 88 14:12:02 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories - Naperville, Illinois
Dear Dennis,
You're ugly, and your mother dresses you funny!
Love,
Carl Deitrick
ihnp4!ihuxv!cbd
8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)
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| 77.70 | Equestrian Digest Issue #96 | LDP::BELANGER | N1FTD 5.01(N1FTD@K1UGM)/6.64-/7.45 | Thu Jun 23 1988 11:12 | 484 |
| Equestrian Digest Tue 21 Jun 1988 Issue 96
Today's Topics:
Editorial Policy
Re: Arabs (was Re: horse breeds for children)
enough is enough
Part drafts
Organized Trail Rides
It's a boy
half drafts I have loved
Re: trail riding trip (long)
goodbye, for now...
Riding for a 3-year-old
'Ruined' Horses
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Date: Tue, 21 Jun 88 17:33:49 EDT
From: [email protected] (Equestrian Digest Coordinator)
Subject: Editorial Policy
Reply-To: [email protected] (Ken Rossen)
I have not received many reactions on the subject, but among those that
cared enough to write, the consensus was rather clear.
Herein, articles high in heat and short (to the point of being deficient)
on light are subject to omission from the Digest at my option. Such
articles are called "flames" on USENET, and there is a special place for
them ("alt.flame"). I have no objection in principle to flames and may
even find them amusing, but I can see that they may not belong in the Digest.
Under these criteria the last two messages from Dennis and the last one
from Carl in Issue 95 would not have run. In fact these three are the
only articles I have received in the 2-1/2 years I have been running this
mailing list that meet the standards for omission.
Flames are more a part of USENET culture than mailing-list culture.
Note that the two authors in question are NOT Digest subscribners, and that
their contributions come to us through USENET. You have all been very
well-behaved (Grin).
I will change the introductory message to reflect this. I probably will
never have to invoke the privelege now that I've reserved it ....
Sorry to bore you all. The meta-discussion is now closed. Back to business.
--
[email protected] Ken Rossen
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From: [email protected] (Kate Symonds)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Arabs (was Re: horse breeds for children)
Date: 17 Jun 88 07:05:58 GMT
Reply-To: [email protected] (Kate Symonds)
Organization: NetExpress Communications, Inc., Vienna, VA
we seem to be getting a lot of discussions about arabs in this. so lets
hear from somebody else, ok?! like me....yes, i've had my arab and now i
can stay on anything. but by the same token, my expert friends never did
quiet so well on the 25 mile competitive trail rides as i did even though
i just let my rascally mare do her thing. she was ok in the summer but not
for the faint of heart in the winter.....absolute hell to hunt but could
jump anything like it was 2'6", so i traded her in on a really cheep grade
draft pony - yes draft pony. looks like a percheron, goes like a percheron,
but is 14' if she stands up tall. i suspect she's part morgan, part percheron
and a hearty measure of welsh. she's not telling what she is, so i'll never
know. but she's quiet mostly. gives me just enough h* to give me a good
laugh at regular intervals. she thinks she's being one BAD MARE and probably
doesnt care for being laughed at. anyone else out there dealing with part
draft horses with anything to say?
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From: aobrien%[email protected]
Date: 17 Jun 88 12:38
Subject: enough is enough
I am absolutely stunned. This digest has provided a forum for a friendly
exchange of ideas, thoughts and advice about horses. I was under the
impression that the subscribers of the digest were adult, professional
people. We all have strong feelings about certain things and the treatment
of horses is certainly one such topic. But there is no need to call each
other names or bring anybody's mother into the discussion. I think that
the discussion got out of hand before the last Digest issue. I do not see
why one has to make fun of someone else's opinion in order to make a point
(what point?). One can give advice without making someone else feel like
an incompetent fool. I do not quite see why Ken should have to be burdened
with having to read every article in order to keep the Digest clean of
abusive statements. I think it should be up to us, the subscribers.
Ania
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From: [email protected] (John B. Nagle)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Part drafts
Date: 17 Jun 88 15:27:19 GMT
Reply-To: [email protected] (John B. Nagle)
Organization: Stanford University
I once owned a Percheron, and have spent some time around the drafts
and half-drafts. Percherons are quite usable as riding animals. They
were originally bred as warhorses for carrying armored knights, and they
have a little Arab blood. They're thus livelier than the Clydesdales or
Shires, and not quite as large.
Much to my suprise. mine was quite intelligent. I was expecting
something that big to be dumb. No. Had a mind like a Shetland pony.
Half-drafts can make good eventers. Percheron-Thoroughbred crosses
are usually successful, resulting in a warmblood-like animal, a big, solid
horse with good bone and considerable energy. But Clydesdale-Thoroughbred
crosses seem to result in a top-heavy animal with a draft horse body,
head, and neck atop Thoroughbred legs and feet. I've seen three such
animals, from different breeders, all with the same bad conformation.
John Nagle
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From: [email protected] (Deitrick)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Organized Trail Rides
Date: 18 Jun 88 21:01:54 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories - Naperville, Illinois
> So now my questions (and thanks for patiently reading my impressions):
> we spent $99 each for this trip and think we got our money's worth. Do you
> think that the ride was organised badly? I would have preferred a smaller
> number -- like 5 to 10 riders. What is the best thing for me to do when I am
> with a large number of people about to start galloping? Go to the end of the
> line and hope? Or should I even be there?
>
> I would like to go on another trail ride, or even a riding camp for
> adults (lessions, jumping, trail rides, caring for horses). I asked my
> instructor about any possibilities on the East Coast, and she shrugged her
> shoulders. Now, I would be interested in anyplace in North America. Does
> anyone know of a relatively inexpensive place that we could go? Or am I
> dreaming?
>
> I would appreciate any comments from other people on the list. Thanks
> for listening!
>
>
> James E. Jones, Jr.
>
You were there. We weren't. Badly or well organized is a matter of opinion.
If you were uncomfortable with what the guides had you do, then for you it
was badly organized. The bit about letting the horses kick each other sounds
to me like bad news, but then I didn't see it.
My general opinion is that if you don't feel comfortable doing it, don't. I've
walked out of lessons in which I thought the instructor was asking for
something stupid, dangerous, or too far beyond my ability. If the guides didn't
pay attention to how comfortable the guests were on horses, then it seems to me
to be a badly run operation.
My advice is to find a good stable where you can take regular lessons. Find
one that emphasizes safety (shall we talk about dangerous horses, anyone? 8-))
and take a lesson every week. How long it will take for you to feel comfortable
riding a horse at a run outside depends on a lot of different things (your
ability, the horse, the terrain) but I would say you need a year of steady
lessons and practice. From the time I first got on a horse to figure out what
was going on until I could ride a horse safely at a canter outside was about
a year.
Carl Deitrick
ihnp4!ihuxv!cbd
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From: [email protected] (Wendy Milner)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: It's a boy
Date: 17 Jun 88 20:51:07 GMT
Organization: HP Fort Collins, CO
A couple of days ago I responded to a note about Arabs
(children's horses, or whatever the drift went).
In it I mentioned my horse that was about to foal.
IT'S A BOY!!!
For the last few nights, I'd go out and check my mare
around 10 pm and evaluate whether or not I needed to
get up at 2am to check her. I usually did, which caused
me to be a little sleepy the next day. Wednesday, she
didn't seem to be any different than Sunday through
Tuesday, but I decided to check again at midnight.
I looked out the back porch, and she was standing a little
funny with her tail crooked sidewise. So I went inside,
got dressed and came back out. Sure enough, her water
had broken and she was looking for a place to lay down.
I ran back into the house and grabbed the camera.
(Too bad I can't show all my baby pictures on the net.)
During the next forty minutes, I got a grand display of
life at its best. Of course, to me it seemed like hours.
After the first foot came out, it seemed like nothing
happened for the longest time, then another push and
out came the second foot. A short rest and the nose
showed up. Then there was a really long wait.
Pharalina pushed hard and nothing seemed to happen.
(It's hard being on the outside just watching.
I sure wanted to get in there and pull that little
one out.) Finally, the rest of the head came out.
Pharalina rested for awhile. Then she pushed and
groaned, and pushed and groaned. (She normally
talks a lot.) In a few seconds the baby went from
just head showing, to shoulders and most of the
body. Another few pushes and the hips came out.
At this point Pharalina sort of gave up. She told the
kid she'd done this much work, now it was his turn.
Baby tried to figure out what those long front legs were
for. He tried crawling and then went straight to trying
to stand. It doesn't work too well when the back legs are
still inside mother. It does move the baby around a bit,
and the back legs come out. By this time the cowel is off
his head and he is trying to nurse - by sucking on mother's
legs. He tries to get up some more and manages to crawl
around to mother's side.
Pharalina picks up her head and turns to look at this new life.
It smelled like her. It tasted like her. It must be hers.
She gives it a good licking just in case. Then she stands
up to show him how its done.
OK mom, I'll try. A few crashes later, he's on his feet.
Pharalina doesn't want him out of sight now, so every time he
heads in the right direction for dinner, she moves away.
Baby stumbles over to the fence where another horse is watching.
OH OH. Pharalina is ready to kill. She runs over, bites,
kicks and wants the other horse gone. The other horse is
just curious. (I intercede by removing offending horse
to a tree way way out in the field.)
After watching the comedy of baby trying to figure out how
to get a meal, and Pharalina wanting to watch him, I put the
halter on her and tie her up. Then push the baby in the right
direction. He doesn't get the idea, but Pharalina figures out
she can still smell him when he's facing her rear end. I let
her loose and watch. Sure enough, the next time he heads for
the back end, she lets him. After trying her side, legs, flanks,
and every place else in reach, he finds what gives the milk.
The time is now 3am. I have taken almost two rolls of films.
I figure I can leave the two of them alone for a few minutes.
Inside the house, with the doors and windows open, I try to
relax, but every time I hear a sound I get up and go check
out the family. Sometime around 4am, they are both on the
ground getting a little sleep. I figure I will too.
Next morning, 5:30am. Everyone is still great. I get a few
more pictures. My friend comes over and takes the "other"
horse away so he won't bother Pharalina. A few more pictures.
(Do I sound like a proud father?) I run to the 1 hour photo
store to get them developed. The vet comes to check out
everybody.
Now I can sleep again --- unless I hear some sounds from the
corral...
Wendy (proud mom, dad, aunt?) Milner
By the way, any suggestions for a name.
Pharalina is mom.
Flame is dad.
Dragon Perch is the stables.
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From: [email protected] (Joyce Andrews)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: half drafts I have loved
Date: 19 Jun 88 16:08:06 GMT
Organization: AT&T Consumer Products, Indianapolis
I taught at a hunter/jumper stable for about 12 years. We
usually had 75-80 horses, about 30 of which were used in the
school. The rest were borders or in training or up for sale,
either by us or on consignment. Many were show borders...A
circuit down to leaky roof.
Anyway, half drafts are a love of mine. Some are dumber than a
house plant. Some are as smart as an Arab (or 1/4 or TB or
whatever you guys are arguing about today). Some experiences...
We used half drafts because we had a lot of adults wanting to
jump. The horses had to be strong, especially behind, to jump
day after day with a 200-pound man getting left behind. We had
one half-draft paint who would actually keep the rider on his
back...if he felt the rider slipping he would shift his weight so
that the rider's center of gravity would again be balanced over
his. We used him for really timid beginners. He was
terrific...but we had to spell the gait changes, because he would
follow the teacher's voice instead of the rider's aids.
One time I was sent to a dealer who had called to say he had a
BIG horse for us (all of the dealers in the area watched for big
half-drafts for us to use as beginner flat and jumping school
horses). This thing was a four year old who had to be AT LEAST
18 1/2 hands. He was high headed, too...son of a gun looked like
he was 11 feet tall. I saddled him, mounted (groaning a little,
but I was used to big horses), and rode him out into a pasture.
He was dumb, boy...he didn't have the slightest idea what I was
asking, but he finally trotted a little and showed that he was
quiet enough and athletic enough to trot four square without
falling down. The price was $400, a little more than we usually
spent, so I negotiated to $325 and bought him. Turned out he
came from Easter Kentucky, where he had been used for plowing
tobacco fields and he had never had a saddle on his back. Never,
as far as they knew, had a rider on his back. That was in my
dumb younger years. Now I wouldn't get on anything that wasn't
certified quiet, but I am a grandmother now, and I don't need to
prove I can ride anything.
Another half draft we owned was a liver chestnut who could jump
anything...super athlete, but a little hard headed.
I owned a Percheron/TB (3/4 TB) filly that was a real handful...
and I bought her as a weanling, so I know it wasn't because of
her training. She got the same careful training they all got.
She was very athletic, and tried to show it often. She cracked
a few ribs in her lifetime, but she also could jump the moon.
So it comes down to this...half drafts are as unlikely to follow
any set pattern of behavior or athletic ability as other breeds.
Have I told you the story of my two colts? They were born on the
same day, and were by the same stallion (TB). Colt A was born to
a 17h, hot, very well bred, jumper TB mare (Royal Charger/Bonne Nuit).
Colt B was out of a 15h quiet grade mare that I had on the farm so that
"little Johnny" could ride a horse when city relatives came to
visit (the rest of my horses would have killed Johnny). Sire was
a 16.1h Nasrullah-bred stallion. Colt A ended up a 16.1h junior
hunter, beautiful and almost quiet, and with adequate athletic
ability. Colt B was a big (17.1h), bold, almost hot horse that
ended up in 3-day, ridden by a really good rider who could keep
him calm in the dressage ring.
So tell me how breeding begets like horses....
--
Joyce Andrews King
ihnp4!inuxd!jla
AT&T, Indianapolis
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From: [email protected] (Kate Symonds)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: trail riding trip (long)
Date: 20 Jun 88 06:13:43 GMT
Reply-To: [email protected] (Kate Symonds)
Organization: NetExpress Communications, Inc., Vienna, VA
re: trail riding: one thing you may want to do is check the various
stables around you for special programs such as trail riding, etc.
the best way to do trail riding if you havent done much riding is to
go out on a quiet horse with just a couple of other people. some stables
which give lessons will organize a trail ride for some of the students -
lots of fun. pretty soon you'll feel lots more comfortable and it will be
fun!
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Date: 20 Jun 88 12:42:00 EST
From: <[email protected]>
Subject: goodbye, for now...
Reply-To: <[email protected]>
I have just recently become a college graduate and will be dropping out of
the computer scene for a while. As of July 1, please remove me from the
mailing list. Where I'm going to be for the next year may interest the
poeple out there, however...
Starting July 1, I will be studying horsemanship in England. There are a
large number of stables in England that offer instruction preperatory to
large number of stables in England that offer instruction preperatory to
the British Horse Society Examinations. For those who haven't heard of
the 'B.H.S.', it is an organisation similar to Pony Clubs in that it
offers a series of ratings which indicate a persons general experience
and ability in horsemanship. Unlike Pony Clubs, it is not limited to
those under 21, and it stresses instruction (your ability to teach others).
For this reason, the major ratings offered are the A.I. (Assistant Instructor)
I.I. (Intermediate Instructor), and I. (just Instructor). Having a fairly
strong Pony Club backround (I received my H-A rating last summer), I
have been told that the A.I. should be reasonably easy, and the I.I.
possibly within my reach for the year I will be over there.
The usual option for studying for these exams are tuitioned stables where
you pay around $100-200 per week and receive fairly extensive instruction
(~2 hours mounted and ~2 unmounted lecture per day) in addition to practical
experience around the yard (caring for horses, practice teaching, etc).
I will be at such an establishment from the middle of September to next
June (the place is the Yorkshire Riding Centre, in Markington, near
Harrowgate, near Leeds, in northern England). I picked the place through
having known two people who had studied there, and through a visit to
the stable which impressed my by its very student oriented attitudes
and organisation.
A somewhat more unusual option which I will be taking this summer is
a working stable outside of London (the Belmont Riding Centre, Mill Hill,
Northwest London, at the end of one of the tube lines). Here I don't
pay anything, working 6 days a week. In return, I get 1 hour mounted
and 1 hour unmounted instruction per day, plus a place to live and
some of my food (with an extra 20 pound food allowance per week). This
is a much more economical option, though the preparatory aspect is less
intense.
The reasons I will be at two different stables are 1) the Yorkshire Riding
Centre prefers students to start in the fall, winter, or spring, and not
in the summer, and 2) the possibility of spending a summer within a
subway ride of London was too much to pass up.
If anyone has any questions, or would like some addresses, let me know
before July 1...
Eben M Haber
[email protected]
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From: [email protected] (Rich Graham)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Riding for a 3-year-old
Date: 21 Jun 88 13:11:01 GMT
Reply-To: [email protected] (Rich Graham)
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh, Comp & Info Sys
My 3 year old neice loves horses and often rides with me on mine. I
would like to get her a small (small, small) pony. What are everyone's
opinions/advice concerning teaching very young children to ride?
Lynn Aumer
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From: [email protected] (Deitrick)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: 'Ruined' Horses
Date: 21 Jun 88 17:56:57 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories - Naperville, Illinois
I have read several times (mostly in western novels) about some one pushing
a horse too hard for too long in warm/hot weather and 'ruining' the horse.
In a book about draft horses I read that if you work a horse hard in hot
humid weather, something happens to the horse that it can never be worked
hard again.
Can any one tell me exactly what happens when a horse is 'ruined' this way?
What happens physiologically? It it heat stroke? Why the lasting effects?
What happens if the horse is worked hard again?
Comments will be welcome.
Carl Deitrick
ihnp4!ihuxv!cbd
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| Equestrian Digest Fri 24 Jun 1988 Issue 97
Today's Topics:
Horses for kids
Equi-max Anyone?
Re: 'Ruined' Horses
Re: 'Ruined' Horses
Re: 'Ruined' Horses
Practical Horseman, June 1988 contents
Why are those tables of contents here?
The tongue in Dressage
Re: Arabs (was Re: horse breeds for children)
Half-draft ponies?
Re: Half-draft ponies?
Re: Arabs (was Re: horse breeds for children)
Half-Draft Ponies
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From: [email protected] (Lisa Kingston)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Horses for kids
Date: 20 Jun 88 19:29:47 GMT
Reply-To: [email protected] (Lisa Kingston)
Organization: FileNet Corp., Costa Mesa, CA
Well, I've watched all kinds of comments go by, but I haven't seen
anyone address the issue of breeding. NOT BREEDS, just the experience
and knowledge a breeder exhibits by trying to produce good, safe animals.
I realized this when someone mentioned Farnley Farms in Va.
As a child, my parents bred/raised/trained Welsh ponies here in southern
California. Because I was small for my age and relatively capable,
I ended up training the youngsters and a few others on the side.
As far as producing mounts suitable for children, they weren't too
successful. But you have to take a look at the dam and stallion.
Were they good with children (ours weren't)? Stable and sound?
Farnley Farms and
Findeln (a farm owned by the DuPonts back east, Pennsylvania I think)
produced great ponies for children. Ours were killers. (Well, maybe
not THAT bad, but not suitable anyway.)
So, I don't think that a particular breed can be black-listed. It
all depends on disposition/parentage/upbringing as a foal.
Lisa Kingston
UUCP:hplabs!felix!kingston
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From: [email protected] (Jennifer Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Equi-max Anyone?
Date: 22 Jun 88 13:24:48 GMT
Organization: Theory Center, Cornell U., Ithaca NY
I'm interested in finding employment in the horse industry on a
full-time basis. In the classified section of Practical Horseman,
there is an organization called Equi-max advertised. Has anyone
ever heard of them or used them? If so, I'd be very interested
in your remarks.
The service consists of two parts. One is that job candidates
"list" with them for a fee of $35. You give them a summary of
your skills, and your name and phone number. Then they give
your information to employers listing jobs with them. That's
the other part of the service... employers list their job
openings with them, and as a job candidate you also receive
the complete list of jobs available. That's where their
service ends... all contacts between employers and candidates
are made directly.
I spoke to them on the phone, and it sounds reputable. The fee
is low enough to take a chance on it. And it sounds like they
had several job openings listed with them (he said they get 4-5
new calls each day). But I'm more interested in hearing firsthand
accounts of using this service.
Thanks in advance!
Jennifer Moore
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
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From: [email protected] (Bob Kinne)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: 'Ruined' Horses
Date: 22 Jun 88 15:11:34 GMT
Reply-To: [email protected] (Bob Kinne)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Deitrick) writes:
>I have read several times (mostly in western novels) about some one pushing
>a horse too hard for too long in warm/hot weather and 'ruining' the horse.
>Can any one tell me exactly what happens when a horse is 'ruined' this way?
>What happens physiologically? It it heat stroke? Why the lasting effects?
>What happens if the horse is worked hard again?
The problem you are referring to is founder. A horse can founder
because of diet, stress, overwork, injury, etc. Consult a vet
encyclopedia for exact technical details, but simply, there is a
breakdown of the laminar structure of the hoof and foot, allowing
bones to rotate downward. This is painful and debilitating to the
horse. Although horses can recover from most cases of founder, the
foot will never regain full strength and the horse's capacity for
work is limited for the rest of its life. "No foot, no horse."
Bob Kinne INTERNET [email protected]
Optoelectronics Computing Center
UCB, Campus Box 425 VOICE (303) 492-8182
Boulder, CO 80309-0425.
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From: [email protected] (Dennis M. O'Connor)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: 'Ruined' Horses
Date: 22 Jun 88 17:42:52 GMT
Reply-To: oconnor%[email protected]
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center
An article by [email protected] (Deitrick) says:
] I have read several times (mostly in western novels) about some one pushing
] a horse too hard for too long in warm/hot weather and 'ruining' the horse.
]
] In a book about draft horses I read that if you work a horse hard in hot
] humid weather, something happens to the horse that it can never be worked
] hard again.
]
] Can any one tell me exactly what happens when a horse is 'ruined' this way?
] What happens physiologically? It it heat stroke? Why the lasting effects?
] What happens if the horse is worked hard again?
]
] Carl Deitrick
] ihnp4!ihuxv!cbd
The damage is to the horse's lungs, which are very delicate organs.
( People smoking around racehorses, a bad idea for other reasons, has
also been linked to a decrease in the horse's performance. Also,
horses that are otherwise untouched by a stable fire can be
permanently crippled by smoke inhalation, even in minor fires. )
I believe what happens when a horse is overworked is hemoraging
in the aeroles (sp?) of the lungs : the little things where
the air-blood gas exchanges take place. If serious enough, this
bleeding can kill the horse. In lesser cases, the blood clots,
a scab is formed, but the delicate membrane across which oxygen
and carbon-dioxide pass is destroyed. This of course means the
active area of the lung is decreased, which means the rate
at which the horse can obtain oxygen goes down.
It's therefor impossible, after such damage, for the horse to work
as hard : the capability to supply the needed oxygen doesn't exist.
There is no cure for this condition, short of a lung transplant,
I suppose. But I don't think equine lung transplants are performed.
Why do the aeroles hemorage ? I don't know, but I suppose it could be
from to much blood being pumped through the lungs, as the horse
tries to get more oxygen.
--
Dennis O'Connor oconnor%[email protected] ARPA: [email protected]
"Never confuse USENET with something that matters, like PIZZA."
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From: [email protected] (Benson)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: 'Ruined' Horses
Summary: There are lots of bad things that can happen
Date: 22 Jun 88 23:52:16 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories - Naperville, Illinois
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Deitrick) writes:
> I have read several times (mostly in western novels) about some one pushing
> a horse too hard for too long in warm/hot weather and 'ruining' the horse.
>
> In a book about draft horses I read that if you work a horse hard in hot
> humid weather, something happens to the horse that it can never be worked
> hard again.
>
> Can any one tell me exactly what happens when a horse is 'ruined' this way?
> What happens physiologically? It it heat stroke? Why the lasting effects?
> What happens if the horse is worked hard again?
>
> Comments will be welcome.
>
> Carl Deitrick
> ihnp4!ihuxv!cbd
Lots of bad things happen when you overwork or overstress a horse in hot
weather.
The first thing that comes to mind is heat stroke and heat exhustion.
Action must be taken very quickly to get their temperature down, like getting
them into the shade and running cool water down their legs. The reason for
the water on the legs is that the blood vessels are close to the surface there
and help to cool them quicker. Heat stroke and exhustion effect them pretty
much the same way as it does people.
They also can founder and if that isn't taken care of promptly the coffen
bone can rotate and come thru the bottom of the hoof.
Their electrolites can get all screwed up and out of balance.
If they are ridden hard and fast something called 'breaking wind' can happen.
What this is, is the lungs can no longer work fast enough to supply oxygen to
the body and they start breaking down. You will get bleeding in the lungs.
Once this has happened the horse isn't good for anything but nice quiet
pleasure rides. I think they have this kind of problem in a lot of the TB race
horses. I believe they are working on some drugs to help this.
What you were referring to in draft horses is called 'tying up' it can happen
to any horse. You just hear about it with draft horses becuase they are used
more for heavier and harder work than the light breeds.
They aren't sure why it happens and what exactly causes it but what happens
to the horse is nasty. When a horse is over-worked the muscles can just start
freezing up. The horse has a very hard time moving or walking. A lot of times
you will see it the next day following a hard work day. In extreme cases the
horse can't move at all. When this happens DO NOT MAKE THE HORSE WALK!!!!!!!
A vet must be called because this is a red alert case. If the horse is made
to walk you will just tear apart his muscles and he will most likely have to
be put down. Just leave him stand (even if its out in the middle of a field),
he can't go anywhere anyway. What the vet usually does is administer a
tranquilizer or muscle relaxent. With most cases of tying up there is also
blood in the urine. Once a horse has tyed up he is prone to doing it again
if care isn't taken. Also it doesn't have to be hot for a horse to become
tyed up.
So you see lots of nasty things can happen to horses if they are over-worked
or over-stressed in very hot conditions. The general rule of thumb around
my trainer's barn is....... If it's too hot for you to work hard, it's too
hot for the horses to work hard. But it means getting up at 5 or 6am to get
any serious schooling done before the heat sets in. Or riding in the evening.
I hope this answers your questions. I talked to my trainer on this so I would
get my facts straight. Taking preventive measures and using common sense are
the best things to do to prevent any of the above problems.
Eqqus has had some very good articles on tying up, bleeding in the lungs and
on other heat related problems. But I don't know what issues they are in.
Maybe someone else remembers and can post them for anyone interested.
Considering the high temperatures lately it would be informative reading.
Happy riding and keep cool
Pam Benson ihlpa!pkb
and Rain
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From: robin%[email protected]
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 88 01:11:28 CDT
Subject: Practical Horseman, June 1988 contents
Here is another magazine table of contents. Statements in [ ] are my
additions. Feel free to send queries if you want to know more about a
particular listed item, I'll try to assist.
Robin Crickman, [email protected]
Practical Horseman (Volume 16, number 6) June,1988
FEATURES
Mike Huber. Seeking The Super Event Horse. He had some luck and he learned
some things the hard way, but this gold-medal-winning rider has succeeded
in recruiting the special kind of equine talent it takes to rise to the
top of the sport of combined training.
Stalking An EIA Vaccine: The Search Speeds Up. A link to the deadly human
AIDS virus has focused research efforts on the equine disease....and horsemen
stand to benefit.
Checklist. What's Wrong With This Picture? In this photo of a horse tied
to a trailer, we've identified ten unwise practices. How many can you spot?
How To Check Your Tack For Safety. The moment when you're counting most
heavily on your equipment is the moment it's going to give out--unless
you've taken some easy-to-apply precautions to see that it's in sound
operating condition.
Step-By-Step. Conditioning Your Horse. Whatever your horse's line of
work, this four-part series will provide you with a safe, efficient program
for bringing him to his physical peak. Part Four: Kerry Ridgeway, DVM--
Preparing Endurance Horses.
DEPARTMENTS
Jumping Clinic with George Morris [regular feature wherein Morris criticizes
riders from photographs they send in]
Saddle Ways and Bridle Whys. Hunter-jumper trainer Kaye Love explains how
to soften a driving seat; researcher Rupert Herd with a method for controlling
pasture parasite infestation; western trainer Rusty Dare offers exercises
to increase a horse's responsiveness to the bit.
Forum. How do you deal with a horse that won't stand to have his feet
handled? Susan Harris, Ted Turner, and Kearney Hillard share their coping
strategies.
Idea Exchange [Use empty squeezable plastic mustard jar to hold hydrogen
peroxide to be applied to hoof frog for thrush treatment.]
What Do You Do? Your horse panics in the trailer....
Confirmation Clinic with Champ Hough [2 TB and one TB cross]
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From: robin%[email protected]
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 88 03:24:09 CDT
Subject: Why are those tables of contents here?
Back in May there was a question from Carolyn Beiser, to wit:
>At the risk of sounding rude, what is the point of posting these
> magazine table of contents? The magazine has national distribution
> and anyone interested can view/buy a copy at the local magazine
> stand. Just wondering....
One response to it was posted by Donna Griffith:
> I'm not sure what prompted the magazine posting, but I thought it
>was great! I don't get very many magazines and I don't have time to
>go and read all the tables of contents at the store to see if there
>are any interesting / useful articles. After reading the summary, I
>I found an article I liked and went and got the magazine.
Carolyn's question is not rude and should have been answered by me long
before this. Donna has spotted one of the purposes of posting the contents,
to allow people who see an interesting item to buy the magazine before
it can no longer be found on the newstands. Another possibility is to
see what sort of information is coming out it the popular literature.
The final value is as a database on horse articles. I have all the tables
of contents of Equus and Practical Horseman from November 1986 to current
transcribed, should anyone wish to use them for database searching or
kwic index preparation.
The original reason I decided to post magazine tables of contents was
in order to contribute my share to the Equestrian Digest in the days when
it sometimes got a bit thin of material. I'm a novice horsewoman but a
highly trained library automation person. I thought I could benefit the
other Digest readers best by supplementing my own minimal knowledge in
horsemanship with that of magazine writers. I chose Equus as a general
knowledge magazine and Practical Horseman as the only "English" magazine
which also has a "Western" counterpart [Practical Horseman and Performance
Horseman share the same editors and considerable overlap of content].
However, if these particular magazines are not reliable or not interesting,
or if a large number of readers find these contents are just a waste of
computer resources, it would be helpful for you to speak up. If I don't
hear more, I will probably keep entering the contents. So, if you mostly
skip the magazine postings, let me know. Conversely, if you want a machine
readable contents of either magazine, I'll be happy to send it if you ask.
Robin Crickman [email protected]
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Date: Wed, 22 Jun 88 09:50:47 PDT
From: Chip Kozy <chip%[email protected]>
Subject: The tongue in Dressage
A while back someone posted a question concerning their horses'
habit of hanging its' tongue out, and the possible effect this would
have on higher level dressage. Knowing little more than how to spell
"Dressage" I asked the trainer at "our" barn. He is an upper level
dressage rider (Prix St. George, I believe). His opinions follow.
1.) He said he wouldn't be too concerned about the tongue unless
it poses a "distraction" during the exercise. If it does,
you can;
A.) Move your drop-nose band down a hole or two, and
tighten it up -or-
B.) If this doesn't work, go with a double bridle (I guess
the double bit involved with this could help) -or-
C.) If drastic action is required, tie the horses' tongue
down with rawhide (I was assured that this will _not_
hurt the horse, and that some very well known and
respected dressage riders do just this in extreme
cases).
2.) He also said that this is not all that uncommon...especially
in TBs off the track. The manner in which they are broken/
ridden can sometimes cause a partial paralysis in the tongue
causing it to hang out. He strongly advises against ony kind
of surgery to correct this as he feels that this is not that
critical in any event...i.e. why put the horse through
something when it's not _required_.
Anyway, that's what I found out. Hope it helps. (BTW one of
the mainstay school horses at the barn is a 23 year old pony named
"Blaze". This pony handles the rank beginners of the small persuasion,
and is _very_ safe, and also very smart...he can tell if the person on
is supposed to know what to do, and acts accordingly.)
Sto lat;
Chip
,,
*** SOLIDARNOSC ***
Chip Kozy (415) 939-2400 @ Varian 2700 Mitchell Dr. Walnut Creek, Cal. 94598
...!pacbell!varian!vaxwaller!chip
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From: [email protected] (Dave Schoen)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Arabs (was Re: horse breeds for children)
Date: 22 Jun 88 01:55:21 GMT
Organization: HP Technical Networks, Cupertino, Calif.
Howdy,
This sounds like a religous discussion to me, but I will dive in anyway.
First I would like to ask the question: WHY are there different horse breeds?
Well I think that one of the reasons behind the different breeds is that
different groups of people had different needs from their horses. One group
of people needed a horse that could go *fast*. Another that could go and go
and go... You get the idea. Being that breeding is not yet an exact science,
horses of a particular breed tend to be one way or another. That is, the
average of a breed has certain characteristics more often than another breed
has them. So anytime one says "this breed *always*..." is going to be made
a lier of in short order. If I am talking to a beginner who wants a horse, I
tell them to get an older well trained horse, and to stay away from certain
breeds (arabs being one of them). When I am looking for a horse, I don't
really give a damn what breed it is, so long as it has the stuff I want in
a horse. I happen to have a full blooded 1/4 horse and a 1/4 horse/std. breed
mix because they fit what I need and because 1/4 horses are common in the area.
(So guess what I saw most of). Actually I could go on quite a tirade on what
I saw most of, but thats another note string.
One person seemed to be equating calm and dumb. I take great exception to
this being a mostly calm person. My older horse (11) is quite calm but he is
*NOT* dumb. He learns very fast (yes, I have experience on a number of horses
in a number of breeds). Smart is not the term that comes to mind when I hear
about a horse that learned to dump his rider when given the chance! Some of
the "stuff" I look for is a calm *AND* smart horse. Given the trails I ride on,
I need a horse that can be trained quickly, can adapt to new things easily, and
can stand his ground when a deer jumps out of a bush 3 feet from him rather
than jumping down a 200 foot cliff to the next rock.
Dave "I ride for pleasure and not for profit, ribbons, ..." Schoen
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From: [email protected] (Gary Traveis)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Half-draft ponies?
Keywords: curiouser and curiouser
Date: 23 Jun 88 22:32:33 GMT
A while ago, I saw a glimpse (on TV) of what appeared to
be draft ponies. Small horses built like tanks.
I have asked a number of people and no one seems to have
any idea as to the breed of these horses.
Any guesses?
Gary
(sun,hplabs,amdahl)oliveb!oliven!gnome
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From: [email protected] (John B. Nagle)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Half-draft ponies?
Keywords: curiouser and curiouser
Date: 24 Jun 88 05:10:52 GMT
Reply-To: [email protected] (John B. Nagle)
Organization: Stanford University
There are several breeds of English draft ponies. The one that comes
to mind is the Fell, which resembles a Percheron in pony scale. Some of
these animals were originally bred as "pit ponies", to work in the coal
mines of the Midlands.
John Nagle
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From: [email protected] (John B. Nagle)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Arabs (was Re: horse breeds for children)
Date: 24 Jun 88 05:21:52 GMT
Reply-To: [email protected] (John B. Nagle)
Organization: Stanford University
Some breeds are more uniform than others. Thoroughbreds, being
a closed breed (to register a Thoroughbred with the Jockey Club, both
sire and dam must be registered Thoroughbreds), a breed with a narrow
genetic base (there are three foundation sires), and a breed selectively
bred for speed for three hundred years, have a definite sameness about
them. Not only do almost all thoroughbreds look somewhat alike, there
is a definite "Thoroughbred mentality".
Arabians have many of the same qualities, but since
Arabians are bred for many purposes, the breed isn't as tightly focused.
John Nagle
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From: [email protected] (Deitrick)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Half-Draft Ponies
Date: 24 Jun 88 12:51:41 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories - Naperville, Illinois
The cover story of this month's issue of The Country Journal is about small
draft-like horses/ponies suitable for use on a small hobby farm. It might be
useful, although I find most articles in The Country Journal shallow.
Carl Deitrick
ihnp4!ihuxv!cbd
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| 77.72 | Equestrian Digest #98 | LDP::BELANGER | N1FTD 4.91/5.01(@K1UGM)/5.27+/7.45 | Thu Aug 25 1988 18:00 | 416 |
| Equestrian Digest Wed 29 Jun 1988 Issue 98
Today's Topics:
riding boots
race horses
Re: riding for a 3-year-old
Re: drafts, part drafts, draft ponies
Re: Half-draft ponies?
They Got Seoul
Re: Babysitter horses
Re: race horses
Re: US Olympic Dressage Team
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From: [email protected] (Jan Penovich)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: riding boots
Date: 24 Jun 88 14:37:31 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Gould CSD, Fort Lauderdale, FL
I've been reading the horsey news for about a month, and I
find it very interesting. This is my first time sending in
anything, so here goes.
I live and ride in South Florida, where the trail riding is
boring and getting more so as more and more shopping centers
and condos are built over the available land. I get so
envious reading all your articles about riding in the woods
and mountains. Aaahhhh, anyway, back to my question.
I have a pair of beautiful Vogel custom field boots that are
ten years old but have only been worn extensively during the
past year. Now that they have dropped at the ankle, they are
slightly too short when I am in the saddle. They are just
dandy while I'm walking on the ground. Actually, they're not
too bad, but I was wondering if anyone out there in computer
land has had that problem and has a solution short of lowering
my knees or buying new boots.
Thanks,
jan penovich
Gould CSD, Ft. Lauderdale, Fl
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From: [email protected] (Lisa Beckemeyer)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: race horses
Date: 23 Jun 88 23:58:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Beckemeyer Development Tools, Oakland CA
I was wondering why the trainers tie the horses tounge down befor the race.
It looks like that is what they are doing. Thanks
Lisa
Beckemeyer
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Date: Tue 28 Jun 88 12:32:12-PDT
From: Marsha Jo Hannah <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: riding for a 3-year-old
Re: Riding for a 3-year-old
We got into the discussion on horse breeds for children after we talked Jan
Burruss out of getting a pony for her 2-year-old son:
> It is very hard to find a good, small pony (Shetland size), simply because
> kids tend to spoil them, and they're not big enough for an adult to ride
> "to straighten them out" periodically. Frankly, I think a small child is
> better off riding a small horse (or big pony) which you also ride from time
> to time. So what if he will need a leg up--you'll want to supervise his
> riding carefully, anyway. Yes, it's further to fall, but a horse is more
> likely to work at staying under a young rider, where a small pony will
> plot how to unload one.
Yes, I know there are some ponies that are "furry saints"--I've got a friend
who has one, and no, Ladybug is not for sale! There also exist a fair number
of "furry devils" in the 9hh to 12hh range of ponies--I've got another friend
who managed to buy one of those, despite careful "interviewing" of the pony,
test demos by the previous owner and her baby brother, and test rides by my
friend (who weighs < 100 lb) and by a neighbor kid she had brought with her.
The problem was that Pepper was a smart little guy. His manners were
perfect, as long as he felt that his rider was confident or that the person
on the other end of his lead line was in control. However, as soon as the
timid 4-year-old girl was allowed to ride him off the lead, the rot set in.
He never hurt the little girl, but he scared her enough times that she nearly
gave up riding. Pepper was eventually sold as an adult's driving pony (for
which he was well suited--he taught half of our carriage club, including
myself, how to drive), and my friend purchased Candy, the 14.3 hh, aged
QH/grade mare I spoke of earlier. Candy allowed the little girl to regain her
confidence, as well as teaching me (and a lot of other beginners) to ride.
A little child looks quite cute on a pony, but finding the right pony is very
hard. The good ones mostly have loving homes that won't part with them for
love or money; the bad ones are mostly for sale, and "of course he's good with
children!" The problem is very fundamental--a human beginner should be taught
by a mature, experienced, well-trained equine; an equine beginner should be
taught by a mature, experienced, well-trained human. Unfortunately, there is
a shortage of ex-jockeys who are into training ponies, so many ponies are
taught about riding by either an adult who is too heavy for the pony (teaching
the pony that riding is to be avoided because it makes his back hurt) or by
a child whose skills are still being developed (teaching the pony how to get
away with whatever he can--there is considerable overlap in the intelligence
of small ponies and small children). The net result is an under-trained or
even mis-trained pony, which is the wrong animal to teach a young kid to ride.
(Actually, it's a wonder that any of the small ponies become "furry saints"--
I suspect it is IN SPITE OF their training, not BECAUSE OF it!)
My opinion/advice concerning teaching very young children to ride is "get
a horse" (or large pony)!
Marsha Jo Hannah; Star Route 2, Box 403; La Honda, CA 94020
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Date: Tue 28 Jun 88 12:36:00-PDT
From: Marsha Jo Hannah <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: drafts, part drafts, draft ponies
Re: Drafts, part drafts, draft ponies
For those of you who haven't guessed, I'm firmly hooked on the Norwegian
Fjord, which is either a small draft horse or a large draft pony, depending
on your point of view. Fjords run 13 to 15 hh, and 900 to 1400 lb; they are
usually dun in color (anywhere from cream to light brown, but mostly dirt-
colored), with an upright mane and a full dorsal stripe (mane and tail are
white on the sides, with the brown/black stripe down the middle); most have a
"mealy nose" and dark socks; some have dark leg stripes. They are reputed to
be calm, quiet, intelligent, friendly, easy keepers, etc; every one I met on
my horse-shopping rounds (about 20 individuals, including a stallion who was
a perfect sweetheart) matched that profile. In Europe, they are used for
farm work, driving, jumping, dressage, endurance riding, and riding for the
handicapped--a very versatile breed. They're relatively new in the US,
having only been imported in substantial numbers since the 1960's, but they
are now catching on, so you may well be seeing articles on them in various
magazines (EQUUS did one a couple of years back, as has Small Farmer's
Journal). In the west, Fjords are mostly used for farm work; in pulling
contests, they regularly out-do the Perchs, Clydes and other big guys,
dragging up to 3 times their own weight. Fjords are sometimes confused with
Haflingers, which are used similarly, often palomino, about the same size, and
equally chunky, but which lack the dorsal stripe and upright mane, and have a
slightly more pony-like temperament than the Fjord.
My personal Fjord is Nansy, a 19-year-old mare, 14.1 hh, 1300 lb, 8-1/4"
cannon bone, who is patiently trying to teach me to ride (mostly bareback--
she's got a lovely, round, well-padded back and a trot that's a joy, even for
a beginner). She has also managed to hook my non-equine-oriented husband on
trail riding, so I'm now in the market for a second Fjord, for him.
On the matter of Nansy's intelligence, I haven't had enough experience with
other horses to be able to give a good opinion. I know that she is not as
smart as my donkey, but that doesn't tell me much, as the average donkey is
significantly brighter than the average horse--that's where the mule (a horse
mare + donkey jack hybird, for the uninitiated) gets his smarts. I do know
that Nansy rarely gets into the kind of trouble that would result in an
injury, and on the few occasions when she has made a mistake, she has either
thought her way out of it or waited for help.
The breeder I bought Nansy from told a story on herself, much like Joyce
Andrews' experience. This breeder had bought out another breeder, and having
gotten them home, was trying out her 10 new Fjords, one by one. She saddled
and bridled one 3-year-old filly, got on, and rode her around the pasture for
a few minutes, decided that one was sweet, but didn't know much, and went on
to the next one. In checking back with their previous owner, she found that
her notes were in error--that filly had never been tacked up, let alone
ridden! This seems to be fairly typical of Fjords--"well, boss, I'm not sure
what you want, but I'll give it a try if you say so...." I'm told there is
a Danish island where vacationers can rent a gypsy wagon and pony for a do-it-
yourself "camper" tour; Fjords are the only ponies they have found to be
sensible enough to cope with the inevitable beginners that try to drive them.
Marsha Jo Hannah; Star Route 2, Box 403; La Honda, CA 94020
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From: [email protected] (Joyce Andrews)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Half-draft ponies?
Date: 25 Jun 88 12:23:30 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T Consumer Products, Indianapolis
> A while ago, I saw a glimpse (on TV) of what appeared to
> be draft ponies. Small horses built like tanks.
>
> I have asked a number of people and no one seems to have
> any idea as to the breed of these horses.
>
> Any guesses?
> Gary
> (sun,hplabs,amdahl)oliveb!oliven!gnome
The Haflinger pony from Austria used to be used as a "draft"
pony. They are little chestnut pulling machines. They are
really cute when a mixed pair pulls a scaled-down beer wagon or
other scale version horse-drawn vehicle. They get about 12
hands, I think. I sold a white (well, a grey) pony (Arab/pony
mix) to some breeders who bred a Haflinger stud to gray ponies.
The object was to get palomino draft ponies. Actually, they got
mostly grey draft ponies, but they were cute, too.
BTW, when I said "used" to be used as draft ponies, I don't mean
in ancient history...I mean when my 4-H club was the state horse
bowl champion team and questions like "Describe the Haflinger
pony" were burned into my brain.* I always say "used to" because
fads and fashions change so fast in the horse world that I would
probably be lost at a horse show today. Equitation changes every
three years, I think, whether it needs to or not. The
pronounciation of "dressage" changes back and forth, as does the
use of some equipment. It's funny how some people hang on to the
old ways and won't listen to ANYTHING new, while others jump
after anything new that comes along.
That's why I try to be the "old sage" of this net group. I have
seen so many changes that I am amused at the various new fads,
and don't expect them to last long. Also, I have been there
myself...and learned that the two most important formulas for
are common sense and patience. There is no quick fix to replace
either.
*Along with other VIF (very important facts) like, what followed
Eohippus? and Name the three foundation sires of the modern
thoroughbred and What horse association is headquartered in
Amarillo, Texas? I still have those tests. How would you
readers like to take one? I could post them, a page at a time,
once in a while to test your knowledge if you'd like. My 4-H
kids were really good...they were the team to beat in Ohio for
several years. Ninety percent of the facts are worthless, of
course. Do you know what percent protein the US Dept. of Ag.
says is necessary for good health in a mature horse (not pregnant
or lactating)?
--
Joyce Andrews King
ihnp4!inuxd!jla
AT&T, Indianapolis
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Date: Mon, 27 Jun 88 11:06:34 EDT
From: Ken Rossen <[email protected]>
Subject: They Got Seoul
USET Dressage Selection Trials for the 1988 Olympics were held this past
weekend in Gladstone. The team has just been announced.
The United States Dressage Team for the 1988 Olympics is:
Federleicht - Robert Dover
Juvel - Robert Dover
Christopher - Belinda Baudin
Orpheus - Jessica Ransehousen
Later On - Lendon Gray
There are three alternates:
Prego - Heidi Erickson
Demetrius - Marie Meyers
Allegria - Belinda Baudin
On a sad personal note, on the heels of finding she had been selected for
the Team, Lendon was informed that her mother had died over the weekend
of a sudden and unexpected stroke. Congratulations tempered with condolences
to Lendon.
--
[email protected]
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From: [email protected] (Jan Penovich)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Babysitter horses
Date: 28 Jun 88 12:17:45 GMT
Organization: Gould CSD, Fort Lauderdale, FL
in article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Marsha Jo Hannah) says:
>
> Re: horse breeds for children, a.k.a. babysitter horses
>
> But, getting back to Jan's original problem--it sounds as though you may
> already have the horse you need for your 2-year-old son to ride "all by
> himself".
I, too, have a two year old horse lover. She loves to be
around horses, to sit on horses, to see horses, and to look at
picture books containing horses. My question is, is two old
enough to start letting a kid ride by herself/himself.
Several of the trainers in this area have told me no, that I
should wait a couple of more years. Truthfully, I tend to
agree. I guess the thought of my little girl up there on a
horse or pony with the chance of getting hurt scares me a
little. (I ride and jump, so it's not a fear born out of
ignorance of all things horsish.) I also think that she is
too young to have the respect for horses that is necessary when you
are working around them.
I'd love to hear opinions from others on this (and maybe some
experiences).
thanks.
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From: [email protected] (52354-K.MAIDLOW)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: race horses
Date: 27 Jun 88 17:42:51 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T, Middletown NJ
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Lisa Beckemeyer) writes:
>
> I was wondering why the trainers tie the horses tounge down befor the race.
> It looks like that is what they are doing. Thanks
>
>
> Lisa
> Beckemeyer
My understanding, having owned a couple of race horses, is that when a horse
gets tired, some will let their tongues fall back into their throats and cause
them to have some breathing problems. Of course they don't run very well
when this happens and usually lose races, so a strip of material is wrapped
once around the tongue and is secured by knotting the material outside the
lower jaw.
Keith
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From: [email protected] (Jennifer Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: US Olympic Dressage Team
Date: 28 Jun 88 13:47:58 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Theory Center, Cornell U., Ithaca NY
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Debbie Gesimondo)
writes:
>
> has anyone out there heard more about the us olympic team? i read
> in the boston globe today that "...robert dover finished first in the
> dressage qualifying event held in gladstone. [...] other olympic team
> members are; jessica ransehousen, belinda baudin, and lendon gray. among
> other riders competing for positions for the squad were: kathy connelly
> of harvard, ma., ..."
>
> has anyone else out there ever seen kathy connelly ride? i first saw
> her at the new england dressage association's spring show last year on her
> warmblood, enterprise. she's won every event i've seen her compete in since
> then and was wondering if anyone else has favorable, or not so favorable
> impressions of her.
>
> /debbie g.
Rats, she didn't make the team... I've seen her ride, and met her
personally. I first saw her in a video done by Bill Woods about
dressage. She was his example rider, and it also showed excerpts
from some competition rides she'd done. I contacted her, because
*that's* the kind of riding I want to do, and interviewed for a
working student position with her. She offered me the job last
September, but I wasn't able to take it. :( Her riding is
beautiful... watching her perform with a horse is like watching
ballet at the Bolshoi (no, I never have, but would like to!) :)
Her goal in riding is to achieve absolute harmony between horse
and rider, just as they do at the Spanish Riding School. It
certainly shows!!
She is an excellent instructor too. I watched her give some
lessons while I was visiting the farm. She had very high hopes
of making the team. It's dissapointing to hear she didn't. But
thanks for posting the results! I certainly hope television
coverage of the dressage team is better this time around!
In case you'd like to contact her directly, here's the info:
Kathy Connelly
Apple Valley Farm
349 Littleton Street
Harvard, MA 01451
(617) 486-8674
She's a very nice person! I'm sure she'd be glad to talk to you!
Jennifer Moore
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
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| Equestrian Digest Fri 1 Jul 1988 Issue 99
Today's Topics:
Re: race horses
Re: Thoroughbreds (was Re: Arabs)
US Olympic Dressage Team
Re: 'Ruined' Horses
Re: Half-draft ponies?
Quarter Horses
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From: [email protected] (Michael B Meyer)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: race horses
Summary: Toungue tying
Date: 27 Jun 88 13:49:56 GMT
Organization: The University at Albany, Computer Services Center
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Lisa Beckemeyer) writes:
>
> I was wondering why the trainers tie the horses tounge down befor the race.
> It looks like that is what they are doing. Thanks
>
In my "spare" time I train harness horses. Some horse have a nasty
habit of getting their toungue over the driving bit. This can cause
them to choke down. So, tying their toungues down (usually with a
piece of leather made for that kind of thing, or a piece of nylon
stocking) usually prevents this. Also, if a horse is in the habit of
playing with its toungue while racing, he is thinking more about his
toungue than racing. Toungue tying helps that too. Hope this helps.
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From: [email protected] (Debbie Gesimondo)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Thoroughbreds (was Re: Arabs)
Date: 27 Jun 88 19:13:00 GMT
Organization: Apollo Computer, Chelmsford, Mass.
> Some breeds are more uniform than others. Thoroughbreds, being
>a closed breed (to register a Thoroughbred with the Jockey Club, both
>sire and dam must be registered Thoroughbreds), a breed with a narrow
>genetic base (there are three foundation sires), and a breed selectively
>bred for speed for three hundred years, have a definite sameness about
>them. Not only do almost all thoroughbreds look somewhat alike, there
>is a definite "Thoroughbred mentality".
> Arabians have many of the same qualities, but since
>Arabians are bred for many purposes, the breed isn't as tightly focused.
> John Nagle
i was going to stay out of this discussion since it tends to be a
religious issue, but don't go pickin on thoroughbreds! (-; the horse
with whom i've gotten along best with in my twelve or so years on horseback
is a seven year old, ex-track TB named lightning. we got along so well from
the minute we met each other. he's never given me any reason not to trust
him completely. i've never met a horse of any breed that has the personality
that lightning has. but then again, i'm the only person that thinks so.
perhaps there is a 'thoroughbred mentality', and maybe i have it, too!
/debbie g.
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From: [email protected] (Debbie Gesimondo)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: US Olympic Dressage Team
Date: 27 Jun 88 20:11:00 GMT
Organization: Apollo Computer, Chelmsford, Mass.
has anyone out there heard more about the us olympic team? i read
in the boston globe today that "...robert dover finished first in the
dressage qualifying event held in gladstone. [...] other olympic team
members are; jessica ransehousen, belinda baudin, and lendon gray. among
other riders competing for positions for the squad were: kathy connelly
of harvard, ma., ..."
has anyone else out there ever seen kathy connelly ride? i first saw
her at the new england dressage association's spring show last year on her
warmblood, enterprise. she's won every event i've seen her compete in since
then and was wondering if anyone else has favorable, or not so favorable
impressions of her.
/debbie g.
[List coordinator's note: Responses to this note can be found in Issue 98.
A problem on the news partition here delayed my receipt of this the original
message --kenr]
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From: [email protected] (Wendy Milner)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: 'Ruined' Horses
Date: 27 Jun 88 20:00:35 GMT
Organization: HP Fort Collins, CO
/ hpfcmr:rec.equestrian / [email protected] (Benson) / 5:52 pm Jun 22, 1988 /
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Deitrick) writes:
>> I have read several times (mostly in western novels) about some one pushing
>> a horse too hard for too long in warm/hot weather and 'ruining' the horse.
>>
>> In a book about draft horses I read that if you work a horse hard in hot
>> humid weather, something happens to the horse that it can never be worked
>> hard again.
>>
>> Can any one tell me exactly what happens when a horse is 'ruined' this way?
>> What happens physiologically? It it heat stroke? Why the lasting effects?
>> What happens if the horse is worked hard again?
>>
>> Comments will be welcome.
>>
>> Carl Deitrick
>> ihnp4!ihuxv!cbd
>Their electrolites can get all screwed up and out of balance.
When electrolites get screwed up, there are several serious things
that can happen. First, you notice that the horse is just tired
and not performing well. Later, the electrical impulses to the heart
do not get through. This causes fibrilation (sp) of the heart. In
the short term, the horse may show no signs at all. And if caught in
time, the heart will revert to normal without any medication. In the long
term, if you keep pushing the horse to do more work, irrepairable damage will
be done to the heart muscle. If pushed harder, the horse will have a
heart attack and die. A-fib has shown up in many endurance horses during
hot rides. The humidity doesn't seem to effect when and where this shows
up. Most endurance riders are now aware of the effect of loss of electrolites
and suppliment their horses during long rides. There are special equilites
just for endurance rides.
>What you were referring to in draft horses is called 'tying up' it can happen
>to any horse. You just hear about it with draft horses becuase they are used
>more for heavier and harder work than the light breeds.
Tieing up also occurs in endurance horses. One possible cause is an increase
in the amount of grain they are given just prior to the ride. Carbo loading
which is done for many human athletes doesn't work for horses. With
draft horses, tieing up many times occurs on their day off. They are given
the same amount of grain as on the days they work, and the horse can't use
that much grain. Too much grain is just one of the possible causes of
tieing up. Some research has been done, but it is not conclusive as yet.
>Pam Benson ihlpa!pkb
>and Rain
>----------
Wendy Milner
Fort Collins, CO
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From: [email protected] (Kate Symonds)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Half-draft ponies?
Keywords: curiouser and curiouser
Date: 29 Jun 88 08:49:51 GMT
Reply-To: [email protected] (Kate Symonds)
Organization: NetExpress Communications, Inc., Vienna, VA
another type of pony that has a 'draft' look to is, in some cases,
the Connemara. these types range from the more thorobred type to
some pretty heavy set characters. also consider the welsh cob which
some may confuse with 'the cob type'. the welsh cob is not a generic
is a recognized breed - a very large welsh pony and usually pretty
heavy set.
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From: [email protected] (Jeffrey W Nieusma)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Quarter Horses
Keywords: FOR SALE
Date: 30 Jun 88 14:55:00 GMT
Organization: U of M Engineering, Ann Arbor, Mich.
FOR SALE: Registered Quarter Horses
Can no longer afford to feed them!
Three registered quarter horses ( brood mare, 1.5 year old filly,
5 month old colt ) being boarded near Washington DC (Ashton, MD).
Call and make an offer, we're desperate. We'd LIKE to sell all
three for $7k.
call Jerry Nieusma @ 301-774-5036 home
301-295-5474 work
or, E-mail to me: [email protected]
I don't know what kind of address that is, but it's the only one I know.
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