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Conference noted::bicycle

Title: Bicycling
Notice:Bicycling for Fun
Moderator:JAMIN::WASSER
Created:Mon Apr 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3214
Total number of notes:31946

3211.0. "Bad Biker ...." by SMURF::LARRY () Mon May 19 1997 11:50

    How bad can a biker be ?   This story was on Channel 9 in NH this
    morning.   
    
    The Channel 9 weather forcaster was struck by a Mtn. Biker last
    evening in Woodstock VT.  The forecaster (Rick Gordan) was walking
    on a sidewalk!  The biker was drunk and riding on the sidewalk.
    Gordan is listed in serious condition at the Hospital he was brought
    to.   They did not say much else about the biker's condition or
    identity.  The biker was arrested and will be subject to the same
    laws as any moving vehicle.
    
    I did wish Channel 9 would have pointed some safety rules
    about riding bikes here that the general public does not always know
    about ... eg.
    - bikes should never be ridden on a sidewalk
    - bikers should ride with traffic ... thats the RIGHT side of the
    	road!
    I cant count the number of times I see this happen and when I see
    an adult leading children doing this (and not wearing helmets!) I
    just want to scream.
    
    (and of course dont drink and ride but I hope thats completely obvious
    ... apparently not to all though).
    
    sigh,
    Larry
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3211.1TLE::LUCIAhttp://asaab.zko.dec.com/~lucia/biography.htmlMon May 19 1997 12:0915
Make ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN you tell ANYONE who is riding on the wrong side of the
road to get on the correct side.  And tell them why.  Remember that girl in
Westford by Long Sought for Pond?  The one we almost creamed coming around a
corner?

Any time I see two kids, where one has a helmet and the other does not, I make
sure to say "nice helmet" to the kid with the helmet.

Scot Benton, a Boston racing semi-icon, aspiring coach and team captain was
seriously injured when he swerved into traffic to avoid a kid on a bmx bike
going the wrong way on the road.



Tim
3211.2Great PR for us...WMOIS::GIROUARD_CMon May 19 1997 12:4518
    The problem was the obvious presence of alcohol. Riding on sidewalks is
    controlled by town ordinances. Many of these ordinances are very old,
    but still on the books. These were established when car traffic wasn't
    nearly so copious. I'm sure a lot of the ordinances were enacted to
    make sure kids weren't in the roads very much, as well.
    
    I know in my city you can (or you used to be able) to ride on the
    sidewalks.
    
    I believe that sidewalks can be used by kids safely and responsibly
    side by side with pedestrains.
    
    I don't believe guys like us or teenagers in a hurry should be using
    them. Certainly, a drunk individual shouldn't be using a bicycle let
    alone be on the sidewalk. It will interesting to see why this
    individual was on a bicycle in the first place (no license - DUI?).
    
    Chip
3211.3DELNI::LBASSETTDesignTue May 20 1997 14:246
    This guy is going to be cited in the same way as if he was behind the
    wheel of a car?  NO WAY...!  What are they going do? Pull his drivers
    licence for riding a bike?  I don't think so.............  Maybe he
    would cited for disorderly but DUI?  It would never hold up in court!
    
    
3211.4WMOIS::GIROUARD_CTue May 20 1997 14:579
    -1 It probably will hold up in court since a bicycle is subject to the
    same rules as a motor vehicle. My guess would be that it won't make a
    lot of difference simply because the vehicle was motorless.
    
    I could be wrong. I would think a lot of the direction on this one
    would be geared against how his lawyer attacks this case.
    
    As far as the punishment (if found guilty)... that's up to the judge.
     
3211.5MRPTH1::16.34.80.132::slab[email protected]Tue May 20 1997 15:159
Change DUI to OUI ["operating"] if it makes you feel better.

I believe the charge WILL hold up in court if it is pursued.

A cyclist is considered a vehicle operator if [s]he is actually 
riding the bike, but is a pedestrian if [s]he is walking alongside 
the bike.

3211.6PCBUOA::KRATZTue May 20 1997 17:294
    When my bike breaks a chain and transforms itself into a
    [actually the world's most expensive] push-beside scooter,
    am I a cyclist or a pedestrian?
    K
3211.7MRPTH1::16.34.80.132::slab[email protected]Tue May 20 1997 17:363
Pedestrian.

3211.8Yup...WMOIS::GIROUARD_CWed May 21 1997 06:453
    Thanks for the precision, Shawn. 
    
    -2 Actually, you're a p.o.'d pedestrain :-).
3211.9It's murder on the lower back thoPCBUOA::KRATZWed May 21 1997 12:194
    The amazing part... I averaged over 12mph for 12 miles as a 
    scooter when the last chain broke.  You'd think I'd learn to
    carry a chain tool.  Pretty fast for a pedestrian, huh?
    K
3211.10MRPTH1::16.34.80.132::slab[email protected]Wed May 21 1997 13:519
RE: .6

When you say "scooter", do you mean that you were, for example, 
"leaning" on the left pedal with your right foot and propelling 
yourself along with your left foot?

If so, I'd say you were a rider/operator at that time.

3211.11PCBUOA::KRATZWed May 21 1997 14:206
    Yes, or variations on that theme.  It's kind of a cross between
    walking beside the bike and "riding" in a half-dismounted position
    while standing on one pedal.  Useful for chain breaks and when mtn
    bikes decide to consume their rear deralleiur on a stick; either one
    is a pissed (pedestrian|rider)!
    K
3211.12DELNI::LBASSETTDesignThu May 22 1997 17:508
    re: .4   subject to the same rules as a motor vechicle.
    
    yeah, except that you don't need a licence and you can DRIVE when
    you're 3 years old.....
    
    I'm interested to hear how this case ends up.... 
    
    :)
3211.13MRPTH1::16.34.80.132::slab[email protected]Thu May 22 1997 18:155
If he's still around, ask Mr. Shaw what happens when one decides to 
ride a bicycle the wrong way down a one-way street and gets walloped 
by a pickup truck.

3211.14It appears that he "won", but he easily could have lostMRPTH1::16.34.80.132::slab[email protected]Thu May 22 1997 18:223
Note 1645

3211.15CONSLT::MCBRIDEIdleness, the holiday of foolsFri May 23 1997 11:322
    It's amazing what you can lose your license over.  Boating laws apply
    to driver's priveleges also.  
3211.16DELNI::LBASSETTDesignWed May 28 1997 14:201
    Cars and Boats are machines that use fuel.  BIG DIFFERENCE.