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    What tubing did Raleigh use for the International?

    The International was a 531 frame with Nurvex lugs similar to the old
    high end Peugeot's.  Chroming on the lugs was popular.  It is right
    under the Professional, and the frame was a good road race or fast
    touring geometry.  If the frame wasn't abused, it would ride probably
    better than a $300 frame of today.  The rear triangle would need to
    be spread to handle 7 or 8 speed setup.  If the gearing is ok for you,
    you should probably change the rear wheel, cluster, rear derailleur,
    front derailleur and brake levers all to STI or Ergo.  Crankset was
    Campy neuvo record...if it is in decent shape and you like 42/52 
    it will last forever.  Wheels are probably 36 spoke.  Most today are
    32.  Your choice here.  Brakes could have been center pull. 
    
    have fun
    steve

>>    The International was a 531 frame with Nurvex lugs similar to the old
>>    high end Peugeot's.  Chroming on the lugs was popular.  It is right

  This one is Reynolds 531 double-butted with Campy lugs.  The last 8 or so
  inches including the Campy lugs is chrome plated.  BTW, this is a 1975
  model International frame.

>>    under the Professional, and the frame was a good road race or fast
>>    touring geometry.  If the frame wasn't abused, it would ride probably
>>    better than a $300 frame of today.  

  The guy told me he only used it for 4 years before going to the Professional
  frame.

>>                                        The rear triangle would need to
>>    be spread to handle 7 or 8 speed setup.  If the gearing is ok for you,
>>    you should probably change the rear wheel, cluster, rear derailleur,
>>    front derailleur and brake levers all to STI or Ergo.  Crankset was
>>    Campy neuvo record...if it is in decent shape and you like 42/52 
>>    it will last forever.  Wheels are probably 36 spoke.  Most today are
>>    32.  Your choice here.  Brakes could have been center pull. 

  Keep in mind that this is a frame only.  I didn't even get the Campy headset.
  The guy took all the components off and moved them to his Professional.  I
  have a Sugino crank from my Fuji Finest (upgraded to Campy Record) that
  will go on this one unless any of you have a spare used Record crank you
  want to part with.  I have the original Weinmann centerpulls which don't 
  look like they have been used longer than a month.  I also have Campy
  Record rear and front derailleurs (1975 vintage) along with a box of stuff
  I took off the Fuji when I went to Campy Record.  For wheels, I might
  just use the Fuji wheels until I can locate some good parts to build 
  another set. The Fuji wheels have Campy Record high-flange hubs, stainless
  steel spokes in a 4-cross pattern, and Super Champion (blue label) 27 X 1
  clincher rims with Michelin touring tires.  They are 36 spoke.  BTW, the
  chain rings on the crank are 46/54.  I was a strong rider back then.  I
  will probably have to find some new chain rings.

Jim

    	Restore the bike to original condition...
    
    	No STI, that would be an anacronysm.
    
    	Use all Campy *Nuovo* Record if you can get it.
    
    	Hang the bike on the wall as a monument to a time that was.
    
    	Salute to a machine that was crafted before clipless pedals,
    	aero-cable routing, sealed bearings, cassette freehub systems,
    	indexed shifting, carbon fiber tubing...
    
    	If you put index shifting on that thing, I'll tell the
    	bailiff to whack your .....

    and then you can sell it to Robin....

well, look at it this way -

It's probably spaced at 120 mm on the rear ends, so none of today's hubs will 
fit.

You probably would need to scrape the barrel to find a decent 5 speed 
freewheel.

The forkcrown and rear bridge probably won't take A/K brake bolts.

The clearance probably means that today's brake stirrups will run on the tyre 
rather than on the rim.

On balance, thanks, but no thanks - I may be an old codger but I'm not a 
silly old codger ...

    make sure you check the interior condition of the tubing for rust.
    
    it would be a shame to do a lot of work on a compromised.
    
    Chip

I'm still *riding* mine.

bob

I am commuting on a 1980 Bianchi Nuovo Pro.  It doubles as my winter trainer.
Has Campy NR rear deraileur, and (original) BB.  There is much rust (through
one of the cable guides on the top tube.)  I use 6 sp on Mavic hubs.  Not sure
if I can buy new of either now, but I have another freewheeel, and can (and
have) replace the brearing in the hub.  Rebuilt that wheel several times now.

Have fun.  Ride it often.  I did have trouble (~5 years ago) finding brakes
which fit.  Good thing they still work.  Sorry, gave away my D/Ace clipped
pedals 2 years ago.

--Roger

    	I have three Raleighs, two Internationals and one Professional.
    
    	The Professional is sitting upstairs in a bedroom, loaded with
    	all original Nuovo Record, except for the cranks which were
    	upgraded with Super Record chainrings and Super Record pedals.
    
    	Do I ride it? No, not at all. Once a year I putt around the
    	neighborhood on it. But other than that, it's a monument to
    	a time that was. I wouldn't dare ride it anywhere but around
    	the block.
    
    	If you're building an inexpensive daily rider, you're doing
    	the right thing. But if you're restoring the bike, you're
    	doing the wrong thing.
    
    	No indexing, bad bad indexing, shame shame... (just kidding)

I would strongly recommend that you call Bicycle Classics. They speciailize in
vintage bikes and parts. The stuff they have in the shop is suprising. They have
old Zeus stuff and Campy-a-plenty. They are in Needham Mass at 1329 Highland
Ave. Their number is 617-455-0590.

Karol