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Conference noted::bicycle

Title:	Bicycling
Notice:	Bicycling for Fun
Moderator:	JAMIN::WASSER

Created:	Mon Apr 14 1986
Last Modified:	Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:	Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:	3214
Total number of notes:	31946

2656.0. "KESTREL 200SCI VERSUS EMS?" by AKOCOA::FULLER () Tue Aug 24 1993 09:53

    Has anyone test ridden the Kestrel 200sci versus the EMS version?  
    What it the difference?
    
    I have an old 4000, with aluminum fork and I Kestrel has a special deal
    when I bought it, a new frame for 1/2 price.   With some miles on the 
    aluminum fork and lack of being able to handle an 8 speed wheel I am
    currently evaluating the change.
    
    Steve

T.R	Title	User	Personal Name	Date	Lines
2656.1	"great deal"	UTROP1::BRUMMEL_BERT	Bert Brummel @UTO	`Wed Aug 25 1993 07:55`	42
	Steve, I have a Kestrel 200EMS for about one and a half year now. The difference between a 200SCI and 200EMS is for example: The weight :200EMS & EMS fork = � 1.5 kg The Material :in the 200EMS frame they worked with Spectra fibers. The Fork :If you order a Kestrel 200EMS it includes the EMS fork (Carbon fiber). The comfort :If I have to belief all tests I read, the 200SCI is less comfortable then the 200EMS. But I can only speek of my experience with the 200EMS. The first time I took it for a ride was a great experience you could feel the stiffnes of the frame with each pedal- stroke. And every power you put on the pedals is translated in speed. For example; my average speed over a 60km tt went up with an 4Km/h (� 2,5miles/h). This year I rode in Belgium the "Omloop het Volk" and the "Ronde van Vlaanderen". In those tours there was approx. 21Km of cobble stones, like in "Paris - Roubaix". During those Km's the frame was more comfortable as I expected, the fork & frame absorbes the shockes great. If you buy a 200EMS frame for 1/5 price it won't be a mistake and you get a lot of fun from that frame. My advise would be run to the dealer and buy a Kestrel 200EMS (See also note 2194.5) Regards, Bert Brummel.
2656.2	Stiffness -> THAT Much Extra Speed?	LHOTSE::DAHL	Customers do not buy architectures	`Wed Aug 25 1993 12:54`	14
	Sorry to digress, but I'm very intrigued by the following: RE: <<< Note 2656.1 by UTROP1::BRUMMEL_BERT "Bert Brummel @UTO" >>> > The first time I took it for a ride was a great experience > you could feel the stiffnes of the frame with each pedal- > stroke. > And every power you put on the pedals is translated in speed. > For example; my average speed over a 60km tt went up with an > 4Km/h (� 2,5miles/h). Do you attribute the increase in speed mostly or solely to the different frame? Has the increased average been consistent? -- Tom
2656.3	"ref. 2656.2"	UTROP1::BRUMMEL_BERT	Bert Brummel @UTO	`Thu Aug 26 1993 08:22`	31
	Steve, The increased average is consistent. I don't think it's for 100% the frame that makes the increase. There is also your emotional-life witch count I think. And of course the total weight of the bike (8.5kg). But let me explain how I come to the conclusion in my previous answer to your note. Before I purchased this bike, I had a Koga-Miyata bike (10.5kg). (Koga-Miyata is a bike build in Holland with miyata tubing). My weight was in that period � 80kg. During that period the average speed never went above 32km/h. Despite of training 3x a week and two rides in the weekend. When I began riding the Kestrel my weight was � 90kg, and after getting known with the bike, the average speed was directly increased as I told you. And you can belief it or not, I hadn't riden a bike for 3 months. My training afford at this time is 2x a week and two rides in the weekend. Therefore I think you can definitely ascribe � 80% of the increase to the frame and the perhaps to equipment on it. It sounds incredible but it is true. Bert.