Conference noted::bicycle

         I own the Selle San Marco saddle ( the one sold by Bike Nasbar,
    with the charts that show reduced rear wear for those using the 
    saddle).  I must say that I have been pleasantly surprised, the 
    saddle has worked great - I plan to get one for the bike that I have
    just finished retrofitting.  I also have less chafing with the saddle,
    the reduction appears to be significant ( I can do rides with it that I 
    could only do with the help of vaseline when using my old saddle ).
          
    

I have about 4,000 road miles on my Ti Turbomatic & am very pleased with it.  I
also have a Turbo (no "matic") on my mountain bike.  Other the the obvious
difference between the two bikes, I believe I can feel the difference between
the two saddles.  The Turbomatic is better at absorbing harsh bumps.

Ray

    I have the Turbomatic (non-Ti) on my tandem. I am also very pleased
    with it.  
    
    steve
    

    For something a bit different in "suspension"...  
    
    I've been using the Spenco seats and found them to be pretty
    comfortable.  But, last week I was convinced to try a new seat from a
    company called In-motion, located here in Minnesota (it was only $19
    bucks so I figured what-the-heck...).  The seat is normal looking but
    has a silicone floatation liner (maybe since they aren't doing breast
    implants anymore (can I say breast in here?) they decided to use the
    material in bike seats).  The liner is much thinner than the Spenco gel
    liner and doesn't feel like it would provide much shock absorption, but
    it sure seems to work...  
    
    So far, after about 60 miles I've been amazed at how comfortable and
    shock absorbent this thing is.  I rode 40 miles yesterday and my HBI
    (human-bike interface to you newcomers) felt better than it normally
    does even much later in the season.  
    
    The front section of the seat has slits running lengthwise in the shell
    (under the cover and padding) so there is some flex where it meets the
    front of the HBI.  In the rear there is a hole that they say is for
    ventilation, but I personally think its so the rider can break wind
    without having to lean to one side or the other (ok, so its tacky and
    in bad taste, but lets face it bike riders are a pretty tacky and
    tasteless bunch! :^) Lets face it, this is a bunch of people that'll
    blow their nose over their shoulder without even slowing down and
    without benefit of tissue!)
    
    It comes in mens and womens, with either leather or cloth cover (I've
    forgotten the cloth but its the standard bike seat cover cloth). Sorry,
    guys, but I don't THINK it comes in Titanium yet...  

Actually, real men blow their noses under their arms, that is, between the 
arm and to the outside of the leg.  It saves the effort of lifting the 
head.....

...more to the point, do real men ride with soft inserts to their saddles?

				;>)

    which brings me quite nice;y round to a conversation I had last weekend
    in my friendly bike shop:
    
    Me:   Do you have any shammy cream
    them (hunts around):  No, but I can do you a tin of deep heat ....

>Actually, real men blow their noses under their arms, that is, between the 
>arm and to the outside of the leg.  It saves the effort of lifting the 
>head.....

    Oh, THAT'S DIFFERENT!  I humbly apologize for calling anyone unrefined.
    Its only the people that DON'T perform the above task in the refined
    "between the arm and outside of the leg" manner that I should have been
    referring to!  Again my apologies.
    
    I presume one can also easily identify which group a rider belongs to
    by visual inspection of the leg versus the shoulder?
    
>...more to the point, do real men ride with soft inserts to their saddles?

    Yes, and they eat quiche too!  Remember this is the 90s and we all have
    to be sensitive 90s kinda guys!

 re .6 ... shammy cream ...
 
 chamois cream, for the leather insert on shorts
 
 for the human body, "bag balm" like used on chapped cow udders during
 milking works better.
 
 

    Ahem, after milking, mustn't contaminate the product.
    
    Udder Butter and Udder Balm are acceptable substitutes...
    
    They also protext the cows from sunburn and windburn.  Somehow I
    picture a Far Side cartoon coming on.
    
    ed

    I'll get down to my local Agricultural merchants forthwith !

Thanks but no thanks, I had enough embarassment in the pharmacie explaining 
what I wanted antiseptic cream for.......

For what it's worth, I find that if one uses Savlon or Boots Antiseptic Cream 
on oneself, there is no need to put anything on the chamois.  The main 
problem is finding an equivalent in France where the pharmacists have marble 
palaces instead of shops and inflate their prices to pay for them.

    The only question I have about Savlon (which I do use, especially
    before long days) is whether it is providing anything for ther chamois 
    to feed on (it being leather after all).
    
    For this reason, if I can get shammy-grease I tend to alternate between 
    savlon and that.

Most of my recent aquisitions in the shorts line have had the artificial version by
Nalini and that's fine, even in the washing machine at 30 degrees.  I care more
for myself than for the chamois insert!  I have just bought a pair of Carrera mitts
in the same stuff and even they go in the machine, and don't come out like 2 bits
of cardboard....  I used to use lanoline grease which stuck the shorts nicely to
you and hence avoided friction, but I must say I prefer the antiseptic cream.