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2539.1 | PUMP IT UP! | WMOIS::GIROUARD_C | | Thu Apr 22 1993 14:58 | 14 |
| A good start is the stated tire pressure on the tire...
The softer a tire the more rolling resistance and the possibility of
snake bites...
I always run 150-160 in a 125psq tire. I'm not into comfort,
obviously.
Tires are generally well underrated (for guys like me) by the
manufacturer.
Do not go below the recommended pressure...
Chip
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2539.2 | | NOVA::FISHER | DEC Rdb/Dinosaur | Thu Apr 22 1993 15:38 | 8 |
| well, Chip's talking on-road, you're talking off-road, that's
two different animules. I just saw an artical that described
the effects of tp relative to traction. Softer tires will
improve your traction for mud and dirt, or so I've been told.
I'm sure the off-road enthusiasts will give better answers.
ed
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2539.3 | What the number means... | ODIXIE::RRODRIGUEZ | Shake that grits tree! | Thu Apr 22 1993 15:52 | 10 |
| If you're curious how max pressure is established for a tire/tyre,
I read an article in Bicycling that explained it for U.S. tires.
It seems they inflate the tire untile it either bursts or blows
off of the rim. Whatever number they get is divided by two, and
that is max pressure (after repeated trials). Bicycling made
that point in order to keep people from being squeamish about
"over-inflating".
r�
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2539.4 | In a nutshell... | RECV::YEH | | Thu Apr 22 1993 17:54 | 44 |
| .2 is quite right, road tire pressure and off-road tire
pressure is very different. For road riding, you get
less rolling resistance (drag) when you have higher tire
pressures. And you get a less comfortable ride. But that
is fine for the road because you generally don't have to
worry about traction or foriegn objects. [though over
pressurizing can be hazardous. I have clincher/wire-on
rims, and I used to overinflate my road tires. But then
I used to get many more pinch flats from hitting the
slightest bump or rock. I believe that it is a function
of the rims. Now I inflate them just shy of maximum and
I'm doing just fine. Hadn't had a flat in a while]
Off road is definitely a different matter. You want/need
traction and "float". That's where the fat tires come in.
They give you a wide contact patch and "float" you over
really soft ground. So, the less tire pressure you have,
the greater the contact patch => greater traction and float.
[float = your tires don't dig/sink into the dirt/sand.
If you ride in loose sandy soil, your front wheel will seem
like it has a mind of it's own because it will dig into the
surface] A side bonus of low tire pressure is that it can
help absorb alot of the bumps, like a shock absorber.
In your case (RE:.0) I would recommend getting tires that
have all the Knobbies connected down the center ridge of the
tire. This would lower your rolling resistance when you are
commuting to work, as well as cut down on the droning noise
that knobbies make. For commuting, pump up your tires as much
as you feel comfortable (probably manufacturer's max) When you
go off road, you can reduce your pressure to the manufacturer's
min and have alot of fun. If you find that you are having too
much fun and want to try more technical stuff, you can 1) reduce
your tire pressure some more ( about 30 lbs. ) 2) get wider
tires, pump them up to 30 lbs. and swap tires every weekend, or
3) get another set of wheels with wider tires and low pressure
and swap wheels for road and off road riding. :-)
Have fun!
-john
ps Riding on trails is good.
Riding on wet trails is bad.
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2539.5 | Eye of Beholder | ROULET::ASMITH | | Thu Apr 22 1993 18:22 | 20 |
| Reply to 2539.4
John;
You probaly should look at buying a different set of rims. I used
to use Matrix ISO rims and had quite a few pinch flats ( relatively
speaking ). I now use Mavic MA40 and Open CD4 rims with Continental
Gran Prix clincher tires and have had one flat in 2 1/2 years ( I
often hit small rocks that sit in the road, especially when I am tired
). I consider my current setup to be almost bullet proof.
I noticed that Chip gave some info on tire inflation, for the
road I agree with his technique but not as much. I inflate 10-15
PSI above the recommended, I find that steering and conering response
is better. It seem that R-squared offered the best advice on tire
inflation for offroad riding, but if you ride your bike to work you
may want to take a middle ground between what is best for offroad and
what is best for pavement.
AS
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2539.6 | | SOLVIT::ALLEN_R | Meet the new boss, same as the old boss | Thu Apr 22 1993 22:25 | 4 |
| if you do inflate your tire over the manufacture's limit don't leave it
in a closed car during the summer. Pressure can build even higher and
you'll be buying a new tube/tire.
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2539.7 | | NQOPS::THIBODEAU | | Thu Apr 22 1993 23:06 | 5 |
| So on Mt bikes I would guess that the front tire should be inflated
much more than the back. The front should float and the back should
have tracsion.
Alan
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2539.8 | | NOVA::FISHER | DEC Rdb/Dinosaur | Fri Apr 23 1993 06:36 | 3 |
| I think .4 says that "float" comes from less inflation.
ed
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2539.9 | | PAKORA::GGOODMAN | | Fri Apr 23 1993 07:21 | 23 |
|
Chip, how often do you puncture? I agree, that the manufacturer's
recommended is too low, but I've never had the confidence to go over it
by just as much as you. I ride 100psi Michelins which I will put
110-115 psi in.
I don't know anything about MTB pressures, but since this note title
doesn't specify bike type, I'll stick in my road feelings. These
pressures are dry roads only. As soon as it starts getting greasy from
rain, you need to release some air to get more traction. Especially if
you ride on the smooth tarmac like Germany's. I don't know of any great
formula, just if it feels confident, it's OK.
Also, if you're descending mountains, it can be worthwhile releasing
pressure to get more grip on the corners. One pro used to always let
his tyres down at the top of the French cols and I'm quite sure Merckx
did it at least once.
Finally, release your pressure whenever you store your bike. Even if
it's just in the shed overnight. You never know when you're going to be
wheeling out flats...
Graham.
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2539.10 | PUMP IT UP II | WMOIS::GIROUARD_C | | Fri Apr 23 1993 07:28 | 17 |
| Hi Graham... It's rare I get snake bites. Usually it's a tire gashing
something I hit (after I've slipped into a coma toward the end of the
ride).
I was talking with a Continental Rep. at the local shop. He explained
that they (like all mfg.'s in the States) significantly underrate the
recommended pressure. By underrating, I do not mean the recommeded
pressure, but the maximum "burst" pressure.
When I ran the Conti G/P they were rated at 155lbs. psi. I never ran
them under 180. The representative told me they'd take 250lbs. easy.
He pulled a chart out and showed me their test results on various
tires.
Go for it!
Chip
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2539.11 | Aren't track pumps wonderful ? | MOVIES::PAXTON | Edinburgh-Leadburn '93 | Fri Apr 23 1993 09:33 | 7 |
| Re: Conti underrating pressures
Here in UK, I gathered that Conti are about the only mfrs. who don't
underrate. I tend to run 23mm at 125psi, Michelins will rate them 110
and Conti 125. I had my first puncture in about 2000k on Tuesday. I
tend to hit a lot of bad road-repairs on my commute route but
snake-bites have never been a porblem.
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2539.12 | Two sets of wheels... | SALEM::SHAW | | Fri Apr 23 1993 09:39 | 12 |
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On my MTB I usualy have 40. lbs on front and 35 lbs. rear. Although
manufacturer recommended is 45 to 65 lbs. I find it smoother on
bumps and better traction on loose gravel etc...
On easy rides or ones that involve some paved roads too I will go up
by 5 to 10 lbs.
However if you have real good knobbies on your bike, you might want
to consider another set of tires or wheels, to exchange for commute
to work. Knobbies wear out a lot faster on paved roads and are not
that much fun either with all the noise they make.
Shaw
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2539.13 | | NITTY::DIERCKS | We will have Peace! We must!!!! | Fri Apr 23 1993 12:37 | 8 |
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Thanks, all, this is great stuff! I do have the cross-trainer tires
that are (relatively) smooth on the road, but also have some byte on
the trails. I inflated to 60 lbs before the trip to work today (it
feels great!) and it wasn't at all uncomfortable.
GJD
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