Conference noted::bicycle

    Chip,
    
    	You might want to cruise note 1933 for a start (even though the
    last reply is from about a year ago).
    
    						your bro'...

    I treated myself to Sidi Genius II a couple of months ago. I've been
    riding LOOK since summer '91, the LOOK shoes were knackered and I
    wanted to be able to switch to Time if the knees started playing up.
    I have since made the switch, and it seems to be working, though Time
    is a bit harder to click-in.
    
    I love the GII shoes. They look marvellous (IMHO), but most important
    they just fit. I don't get cold toes any more, and I've mostly been
    riding without shoe covers in the cold March winds. The ski-buckle
    thing is great for accurate tightening on the move, but to loosen a
    notch you must undo and retighten, which is a bit more fiddly than
    the old velcro. My feet are widish (but perfectly formed).
    
    Your mileage may vary, but you knew that.

    Another vote for the Sidi Genius.  The rachet (sp?) mechanism
    gives a good snug fit for those high torque, low cadence,
    climbs.  I nticed Nashbar offers replacement straps too...
    
    r�

     Thanks for such a quick response!
    
        Chip

Anyone seen or tired the new Diadiroa (sp) shoe and cleat
setup?

On paper it looks very impressive.  Only 7mm from the 
pedal spindle and may be the lightest shoe/pedal setup.

I don't recall the exact wieght but 150gr per pedal sticks
out as the top of the line pedal.

Just a few cents worth,
Tom

     Does anyone have an (accurate) conversion chart handy illustrating
    U.S. shoe size to European sizes???
    
     Chip

    re: -.2   I have Diadora's (not the whole system, just the shoe) with
              TIME pedals, and my feet are wide (Flipper!).  I have found
              them to be really comfortable, though maybe a little heavy.
              I really like the combination velcro and lace-up and can
              wear them equally well with or without socks.  [I even say
              Greg using the lace/velcro setup so it MUST be wierd and
              wonderful!]
    
    re: -.1   What I have seen in the catalogs (was it Nashbar?) is that 
              there is a wide variation between manufacturers and their 
              conversion sizes.  I think you're just going to have to
              walk into a store and try them on...

     I'll probably order from a catalog so I'd like to get close to
    the right size off the bat so they aren't going back and forth
    too many times.
    
     Chip

    I've got wide feet, and I've been riding on 4 year old Shimano's.
    They're sweet!  When I was looking around, width was my major concern,
    and these are perfect.  (I had a pair of Specialized that were made 
    for people with size A feet!) They are light yet really sturdy. No
    problems so far, not even when I'm hammering out of the saddle!
    I assume the new ones are built on the same lasts,
    but you'd have to try them to really tell (and they now come with
    a full carbon fiber sole :-) 
    
    -john  

    I've just purchased the Bryne Speedplay pedals largely because of the
    fine reviews I've read in here.  It's my first clipless experience and
    I'm in heaven.  It's so easy and comfortable.
    
    The sales guy at my local shop is a CAT III and has been on Bryne for
    two years now and swears by them.  He steered me straight to the Time
    shoes and wouldn't let me consider anything else.  He sold me on the
    compatability of Byrne/Time and how the sole of the shoe is right on
    the pedal.  So if you're leaning towards Bryne and can tolerate the
    Times it's the way to go.  I'm totally satisfied but from what I'm
    coming from just about anything would be good.
    
    Don

I just had the clinic from the Diadora rep last night. There new shoes and
pedal system looks pretty impressive. 

Pedals: Come in 3 models:
*******

    Model  Retail  Material
            price

 1) SA-210 $140.00 Steel axel/Aluminium Body 210 grams
 2) SM-180 $185.00 Steel axel/Magnesium Body 180 grams
 3) TM-150 $250.00 Ti axel/Magnesium Body 150 grams

 The best model numbering system I have seen to date. They come with 2 type of
 cleats Static and dynamic (8� rotation) release at 9�. Release is only in the
 outward direction. 7 mm foot to spindle distance when used with the diadora
 Power Drive shoes. These pedal should be RAD even when the dynamic cleat is
 used because they have a return to center mechansium. Since the pedal has
 a large surface area there is more support to the shoes. 

 Now the bad news. We are waiting for new cleats. The racing teams have
 experienced excessive cleat wear so diadora is changing cleat materials. 
 
The Shoes:
**********

 No laces this year on theier Power drive system. They went with a Z style
 velcro. They range from $120 & $160. Both pair will have a custom Peterson 
 Footbed molded to your feet. The $160 model has a Carbon/Kevlar bottom. The
 most notetable differance is the anitomical curviture on the sole of the
 shoes. They just look comfortable. 

 Now if I can only mustard up ~$300.00.


 Dave 


 
 

Don't know about you but I have size 9 1/2 to 10 foot (english)
and wear a 43 Diadora.  It is a bit tight maybe a 44 would
have been better, toes get numb after long rides but I don't
usually notice util the ride is over.

Hope this helps
Tom

    
    Re.12 (Tom)
    
    	A word of warning, there is a difference between BRITISH (sorry,
    had to get that off my chest) and US sizes. For the equivalent size, I
    think the US is a size higher.
    
    	As for shoes, I think that I'm the freak of the conference (but you
    knew that already...). I am a British size 9 (European 43) but have
    very narrow feet. 4-5 years ago I bought a pair of Vittorias just
    before they got the Stephen Roche decals. I found that the velcro could
    never tighten enough for me and eventually had to start seeing a
    chiropodist because the movement of my foot inside the shoe was
    battering my big toe-nail loose! They got binned....
    
    	My next pair was Adidas Eddy Merckx, by far the best shoe that I
    ever wore. They were really lace ups, but had a velcro covering over
    the laces which kept the laces from getting tangled with the cranks.
    Beautiful they were but took too many batterings from the Scottish
    summer...
    
    	I tried to replace them with the same, but couldn't find them
    anywhere so I now ride Sidi Hawaii. Not bad, and for being velcro only,
    they do fit my feet well, but they don't feel as solid as the Adidas.
    
    	I've considered switching from Shimano Look to Time for some time
    now and riding the red and white Times. Anyone have any experience with
    these. �200 is a lot to fork out on something I'm not sure about.
    
    Graham.
           

    I use American size 9 or 9 1/2 and my cycling shoes are 43 or 44.
    (I'm not being vague, I have some of each of the above sizes).
    
    ed

    I have a pair of 3 yr. old Diadora's with laces.  They are (I think -
    why don't they mark these things anywhere?) 44.5 and I wear a 10.5
    American.  They are snug without feeling too tight.  My only complaint
    is that there is no cushioning in the sole (absolutely none), so my
    soles get sore after a couple of hours.  I'm thinking about getting new
    shoes because of this.

    I only paid (US)$45 for these and have gotten sticker shock, looking
    for new ones.  Has anyone tried the Performance shoes on sale for
    $42.95 in the catalogue?  These look like they might be a good buy.
    
    My other option is to put some cushioning in, myself.  I tried some
    Dr. Scholls sports pads, but these are too soft and compress too
    easily.  Anybody have any suggestions here?
    
-Buddy

    re -.1
    
    My Sidis have no cushioning.  The inside resembles the board
    last of a running shoe.  That makes it a little slick when
    wearing a cool max sock.  My solution was to Fast Tack a
    sock liner from a New Balance running show into the bottom.
    
    You may have to go up a half size to do this in order to avoid
    the "black-toe".  Your foot will be 1/8" higher and your big toe-
    nail may rub the upper.  
    
    I think it works well, particularly if you sometimes ride without
    socks.
    
    r�

    re -.1
    
>    My Sidis have no cushioning.  The inside resembles the board
>    last of a running shoe.  That makes it a little slick when
>    wearing a cool max sock.  My solution was to Fast Tack a
>    sock liner from a New Balance running show into the bottom.
    
    Thanks for the suggestion.  I already thought of this earlier and
    pulled out a liner from an old pair of basketball sneakers, but the
    insoles were already compressed to the point where little, if no
    cushioning was left.  I do have a brand new pair of running shoes, but
    I think I will have to cut the insole to get it to fit properly and I
    don't want to do that, since I still use them for jogging, once in a
    while.

    Anybody try the Performance shoes?

    -Buddy

    re: .13
    
    I've got about 200 miles now on my red and white Times.  They are very
    comfortable except that the top flaps are a little too long and dig
    into the front of my angles. I just fold 'em over and velcro 'em down
    and it's not a problem.  Otherwise they are very light with a super
    stiff sole.  They say they are nice and cool too which might not be a
    benefit to you in your climate.  The velcro straps are really beefy and
    look bullet proof.  In fact I think they have kevlar in them which is
    perfect for me riding in L.A. :-)
    
    Don

    re: .17 - You can buy liners (insoles, sock liners) without shoes
    wrapped around them - any store that carries running shoes should have
    them.  Space in the toe would still be a problem although I suppose
    you could taper the thickness of the liner towards the toe.
    
    Andy 

The only problem with the bike shoes is that they most of them are not made
with liners. So if you put one in, they compress your feet right to the top and 
they will be uncomfortable. I guess this is why the new Diadora designed their
new shoes around a footbed instead of making a footbed for a shoe. I am sure
several other companies will follow soon. 


Dave

     I guess I'm lucky that I can take advantage of cycling shoe designs
    and not end up with sore feet. I've had a pair of TIMES (now on my
    beater) for over 4 years. As far as durability goes, they still have
    another 4 years easy.
    
     No padding in the shoes doesn't bother me at all. In fact, I've been
    on the trainer (beater) with my TIMES since wk. 1 Jan. with no socks.
    
     I've began to consider either the TIME Equipe or the TIME Classique.
    Someone mentioned they're perfect for Bryne's. I've always like the
    adjustment set-up on them.
    
       Chip
    

     Well, I spoke with Gamache's yesterday and they do not carry TIME
    shoes anymore...
    
     So that begs the question... Anyone know of other Mass shops that
    carry TIME, e.g. Landry's, Frank's, Chelmsford or Belmont?????
    
     Thanks,
    
              Chip

    Colorado Cyclist?  1-800-688-8600, tell 'em "ed" sent you  :-)
    
    ed

     Thanks Ed... I'm a little against mail order for shoes since it
    pays to try them on (and cost money to return them when they don't
    fit)...
    
     BTW, along with the shops that carry them... phone#'s would be
    helpful if they're handy.
    
     Chip

O'neils in Worcester is a big seller of TIME ask for their
mail order prices over the phone.  798-0084

steve

RE: <<< Note 2519.22 by WMOIS::GIROUARD_C >>>

>     So that begs the question... Anyone know of other Mass shops that
>    carry TIME, e.g. Landry's, Frank's, Chelmsford or Belmont?????

Chelmsford Cyclery sells Time shoes (and pedals), though I don't know if they
carry all models of shoes. They have lots of the Sport model, which is what I
bought last year and am happy with.
						-- Tom

Chelmsford Cyclery carry Time Shoe:

1992 models are on sale now for $69.95 (reg $119. - $199).  They have the Sport 
and Criterium models available available at that price.  The owner is pricing
them so they clear quickly.

The 1993 models sell for:

Equipe Carbon		$175.50
Classic Carbon		$157.50
Criterium Carbon	$121.50
Sport Carbon		$ 97.20
Sprint			$ 82.80

These prices are extremely good (~10% less than Nashbar) and come with 
certain conditions:

Special Order only - take about 1 week to get them (unless you want to pay for 
		     2nd day air)
Cash or Check only - No credit cards
Restocking charge  - you better know your size!!

Eric

     Thanks Eric... I called them a few miinutes ago.  I think it was
    Martin who said they don't stock any Equipe's or Classique's...
    
     O'Neils in Wrocester currently stock both.
    
     Chip

Chip,

Ya, I know that they won't stock'em but you can get them at the price mentioned 
in -.2 by ordering them.  As I said, as long as you know your shoe size...

Eric

    I used Sidi for half a dozen years.  I have fairly narrow feet, but
    they did the trick for me at the time.  However, I also have a weird
    curve on the outside of my right foot, so my foot sometimes overlapped
    the outside of my shoe just a tad.  You can imagine how this felt
    after 100 miles on a hot day with some heavy-duty climbing.
    
    Don't write off Time on the basis of a four-year-old experience.  I
    have two pairs of Look AP86s, which were farmed out to different
    manufacturers by Look -- totally different fits.  
    
    Time *is* a good shoe to get with Bryne pedals, because of the flat 
    section for mounting the cleat.  Due to the curve at the base of 
    my AP86 soles, it took 6 hours to machine myself some shims to make the 
    Bryne cleats work properly. 
    
    Nike looks like a good bet because of the flat spot for cleat-mounting,
    but I've never tried it.
    
    Also be aware:  You will probably have to lower your seat about a 
    centimeter, because the Bryne setup puts the sole of your foot so close 
    to the pedal axle.
    
    I agree that you want to be cautious about buying shoes through the
    mail.  The amount you can wind up spending on return UPS for poor fits 
    can offset what you save by not going to a retailer.  
    
    Also, even after you have decided on a definite brand, model, and size,
    you're not safe.  My first clipless pedal shoes were Diadoras, 41 1/2.
    There were six pairs at the shop that I tried on, and I could only find
    one pair that really fit (and that involved a left shoe from one box,
    and a right shoe from anoter box).
    
    Justin

    
    I have wide feet and bought a pair of Nike shoes two years ago and
    found them to be quite comfy.  They do have a padded insole.  I don't
    have Bryne pedals so I can't tell you how they would mount however...
    
      Dan

    I'm delighted with the SIDI Genius II shoes that I use with TIME
    pedals.  However, I've found that the SIDI's are more comfortable
    if I simply insert a pair of Dr. Scholl's shoe liners (pads?) in
    them.  
    
    These liners are cheap and can easily be replaced, yet they make quite
    a difference.  My left toes are more likely to get cramped in the
    shoe's
    toebox, so I cut away the top third of the Dr. Scholl's liner in the
    left shoe.
    
    Good luck!
    
    Patrick

     Can someone tell me where, in a general location, O'Neil's is in
    Worcester?
    
     I pretty familiar with Worcester so landmarks would help. I can't ever
    remember seeing it/riding by it.
    
     Thanks,
    
              Chip

Main St, where Rt 12 crosses it, near Webster Square (where Park and Main cross)

    
     Thanks...
        
               Chip

     Well, I picked up the TIME Equipe's Friday from O'Neil's. I had my
    wife with me and she almost went into cardiac arrest (no more bike
    shop surfing with the wife). Also, the dealer didn't help much by
    asking about my chosen pedal system. When he did catch on, he asked,
    "How much are those Bryne's anyway... 'bout $14-$15?" I retorted,
    "Yeah, yeah, that's the ticket."
    
     Anyway, I went on the Peter Vincent's ride yesterday. It turns out he
    picked up the TIME Criteriums with his Brynes. He informed that we need
    an adapter plate because the plates the pedals come with are rounded...
    
     He said that maybe (maybe) we could get away with longer screws. Any
    suggestions? He also stated that Frank's never gave him a clue.
    Gamache's never let me in on it either.
    
     Is there another answer?
    
     Chip

	Chip,

	   I bought a pair of Speedplays last year and mated them to
	a pair of Crits.  They came with a Look compatible shim kit for the
	cleats.  I went back to where I bought them (Belmont) and they
	traded me the Look kit for the Time Kit.  Basicly with the Time
	kit the curved shim (which is an entire layer of the cleat) is replaced
	with 4/each specially sized washers that fit the slots of the Time shoe.
	Also longer screws are supplied to reach the recessed plate of the 
	Time shoe.  The screws are metric and tough to find (I tried before
	going back to the bike shop).
	   I've also been told that the sole of the shoe can be sanded down
	(approx 2mm I'de guess)to eliminate the need for the front 2 washers,
	which would bring you even closer to the pedal axis.  And I guess for
	your concern, it would remove a few grams....8^)
	   A few suggestions:  

		-   Practice entering and exiting a few times before happily
		    speeding off with your new pedals.  These were my first 
		    clipless pedals, but I've been told that the release
		    takes a few times to get used to.  Now that  I got used to
		    them they pop out easily when I want them to and never
		    when I don't.

		-   Don't plan on walking arround much in them.  I damn near
		    killed my self going down stairs for a water bottle I forgot.
		    Although Time shoes don't help much either.

		-   Keep the cleat clean.  Bang you cleat a few times before
		    reentering the pedal.  By design they don't react real
		    well to dirt and sand.  It will be obvious when the dirt
		    is causing a problem.

	   Good luck and have fun...

	Ted

     Thanks... I think this is the kit that Peter Vincent was told to
    find/order. I've asked him to get me one too at the same time.
    
     I wonder why Bryne didn't plan for TIME compatibility since since the
    shoe is designed for LOOK as well.
    
     Oh well, I guess it can't be too easy for us.
    
     Chip

     One "parting shot" on the Bryne's...
    
     They disappoint me. Peter Vincent and I have been talking about how 
     the dealers are not letting you know what is needed to make the pedals
     work (affix to the shoe). Bryne's cleat design needs to be mentioned
     as well. Or at least the adapter parts for one other shoe type should
     be included (for the price they charge). 
    
     Believe me, if it wasn't for the weight savings I'd.... :-)
    
        Chip