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Title: Bicycling
Notice:Bicycling for Fun
Moderator:JAMIN::WASSER
Created:Mon Apr 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3214
Total number of notes:31946

2142.0. "Long or short arm" by MINDER::CARMICHAELP (Pete Carmichael @MCO) Wed Dec 11 1991 04:59

    Hello all,
    
    Could anyone comment on the relative pros & cons of long vs short caged
    rear derailleurs. I know that, in the case of Shimano mechanisms, the
    longer caged mechanism accomodates a max. spocket size of 32 as opposed
    to 28 with the short mech.
    
    Why do MTB pros tend to favour the shorter cage if there isn't a 
    tangible performance advantage. Does the shorter cage provide for a 
    smoother change? weight saving? less suceptibility to damage. I guess
    the pros are all either unreasonably fit, or they're too proud to be seen
    dead 'twiddling' such a big sprocket. Well, for me, I think I'm OK with
    a max. 28, but if there's no really good reason for choosing the
    shorter cage, I think it would be nice to have the provision for the
    easier gear (especially with festive weight-gain imminent :*)
    
    Thanx in advance, Pete.
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2142.1SUBURB::PULLANRin the rain ???Wed Dec 11 1991 08:337
    For me it would be rather pointless having a 32 sprock. My small ring
    is a 24 and my largest sproket is a 28 which gives a 22 inch gear, thus
    each revolution of the crank moves the bike 70 inches. If I required
    anything less than that, it would be much easier and quicker to get off
    and walk.
    
    Richard.
2142.2CSCOA1::HOOD_RWed Dec 11 1991 08:3816
    
    
    
    I could make a couple of guesses:
    
    1) The pros are in better shape (or run smaller chain rings on the
       front) so they don't need anything larger than a 28 on the rear.
    2) They want to reduce the overall length of the chain....so that there
       is less slop that the derailler has to take up when running on 
       smaller (rear) rings. This should lead to fewer instances of the 
       chain coming off of a front chain ring and make shifts smoother.
       For those of us with chainstay mounted Ubrakes, this would also lead
       to less chain suck. 
    
    doug
    
2142.36.01 of one, half dozen of the other...HANNAH::SMITHMichael J. Smith: DSG1-1/K8Thu Dec 12 1991 06:3324
Short cages are better than long cages, but not a lot.  Smoother, lighter,
stronger, less apt to get bent up, etc.  I suppose the pro's don't need the
widest possible gear spread so short makes sense.  I have a long cage on both my
mountain and city bike.  The city bike (an old Hard Rock with slicks and low-end
Suntour comp's) always had one and the mountain bike (a Bikeology special with
Deore XT $tuff) has had both.  The mountain bike now has a long cage in order 
to handle the big gear that is on a spare wheel that I sometimes use and the 
rest of the time I just have to put up with the extra hassle and work (I guess).

The Best way to cope with the extra hassle and work is to eat a chocolate bar
before and/or after a ride (only allowed if you have a long cage!).  The 
chocolate will replace the calories used up because of the extra cage and chain
weight and will help with the depression that gets caused by the slower and
sloppier shifting as well as the stress from worrying about the bending the
longer cage.  

I have yet to smash up the long cage (knock on wood please) on my mountain bike
with the Deore XT stuff.  Back when my city bike was still a mountain bike and
spent time in the woods it used to go through Suntour long cage derailliers like
crazy.  Sticks would jump up and jam themselves in them and presto its,
pretzelville and a walk home.  Guess its long (and strong) cages and chocolate
bars for me till I get drafted by one of the ATB racing teams...

What about the new micro stuff?  Can you get both long and short cages?
2142.4 one size only? LEGUP::SHORTTJohn Shortt / DTN: 266-4594Thu Dec 12 1991 09:355
    
    I believe the Suntour Micro Drive claims to be the shortest cage and as
    with the XTR, I don't think there is an option - one size fits all?
    
    john
2142.51 4 long cageCOMET::VOITLSun Dec 15 1991 22:519
    I am in favor of the long cage.  I do ride the mtb on the road
    sometimes (crazy huh, oh wheel helps keep me humble yeah, I have a road
    bike) and there are a few trail rides I do that are long and flat.  I
    have also been known to use the 42 or 46 I forget the size on long
    decents. I also enjoy the the full range of gears.  I am also
    contemplating putting a 50 tooth ring on the bike for even more speed.   
    Wheel there is my 2 cents worth.
                                      Keep Pedallin'
                                            Bob   
2142.6Stick a 50 on the from of yer bikeHERON::MARTINI don't have an attitude problem!!!!Mon Dec 16 1991 05:154
	I agree with -.1, I run with 24x36x50 on the front and a 12-30 on the 
	back on my mountain bike. Short cage wouldn't be able to handle that

	Kev.