Conference noted::bicycle

NAY.

             ken_who_follows_and_likes_'em_both_where_they_are

    Because CYCLE_RACING has its own feel which would be swamped in the
    larger file. I'm very much against this idea.
    
    
    Rod

    That's a  B - I - G  negative for the merge. I agree that they're
    two differnet worlds and should stay separated.
    
    Chip

No! No! A thousand times No!

However I would like to suggest that we get an active moderator in
CYCLE_RACING.  By that I mean someone who will move misplaced notes to their
proper topic, eliminate redundancy and delete notes that just don't belong.

    I vote to combine the two!  I have been reading them both for sometime
    now and don't see why they are perceived to be so unique.  I also wave
    to all other cyclists while riding...

    The Cycle racing is a conference covering a specific aspect of
    bicycling -- Racing. It is not a generic conference and the effect
    of merging the two would not be additive. 
    
    Novice/recreational/touring riders might be scared off from asking
    questions in a conference where a lot of the discussions revolve around
    racing and race results, (this happened in the Audio notes file and was
    one of the reasons that the Audio_engineering notesfile was created).
    People who want to go into notes and read/discuss racing realted topics
    may not want to wade through "yet another note on which bike should I
    buy". Not that these discussions aren't imformative for those who
    ask them.
    
    Keep them seperate and keep them interesting to those who read them.
    
    Paul
    
    
    

>    Because CYCLE_RACING has its own feel which would be swamped in the
>    larger file. I'm very much against this idea.
    
 I agree, the notes are different. Although I don't see the note as
CYCLE_RACING but as CYCLE_RACING_NEWS conf. I think the average questions about
how to race should be asked in this conf and have racing news in the other.

Tom

However I agree with previous replies. DON'T, DON'T start ratholes
about which files certain things belong in. Also a moderator to
better organize CYCLE_RACING would help. Sometimes, I don't have
time to read both files but if I am specifically trying to find results
of a particular race then I will access C_R instead of this conf. and
save myself some time. I have been very happy with how things have
been running, small changes can help things but drastic ones may cause
problems.

Mano

    It sounds like the NAYs have it.  I should have known, I've yet to back
    a winner in a Presidential election.  Maybe we should have a:
    
    	CYCLE_TOURING
    	CYCLE_REPAIR
    	CYCLE_BUY/SELL
    	CYCLE_EQUIPMENT
    	MOUNTAINBIKE
    	ETC.
    
    If so what should we discuss in the BICYCLING file? :-}
    
    Phil

    no, don't do it.
    
    ed

NO.  I'm not interested in what's under your shorts

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    No, but only just. If the moderators can keep the race results in
    CYCLE_RACING and the other stuff in BICYCLE, I vote No to the proposed
    merger. However, at present there is a lot of confusion.
    
    How about renaming CYCLE_RACING to CYCLE_RACING_NEWS as suggested
    earlier? This would encourage people to use the right Notes file, as
    the names are not sufficiently different at present.
    
    John

    Right now, the CYCLE_RACING conference effectively does not have
    a moderator.  I've been in contact with the system manager to try
    to remedy the situation, but everything's not settled yet.  If I
    take over moderating the conference [which is probable], I'll try
    to implement many of the suggestions put forward in this note.
    
    MATT

    	1. John W. - please delete .21 (I couldn't - why? [playing with
    new editor: a mistake])
    
    	2. I like the separation of serious racers/racing in the other
    file (which I read at Tour de France time), and the commuter,
    recreational rider, novice racer/time trialer here.  The ability
    and dedication/focus of serious racers is a mindset quite different
    from that which prevails among most of this conference's readers.
    I prefer to be able to chat in a less intimidating atmosphere than
    the one that surrounds the racing conf. - Chris

    Let's push the point a little further.
    
         Definitely NO!!!
    
    There's too much to keep track of in "Bicycle" as it is.
    
    -Robin 

    
    
      I think we have a trend here !!!
    
      I also say NO !! do not merge them !!
    
    
                      JOhn c.
    

For the sake of convenience.