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| 616.1 | Another Club Same Rule | RETORT::SCHNARE | CHARLIE SCHNARE | Tue Apr 12 1988 14:20 | 6 |
| Yup, you bet, this has been the rule with the Worcester Road Club
since the club was started two years ago. At ALL club rides you
must be wearing a helmet or you don't ride.
Charlie
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| 616.2 | Good show! | EUCLID::PAULHUS | Chris @ MLO 8-3/T13 dtn 223-6871 | Wed Apr 13 1988 13:02 | 8 |
| NVP has not for various reasons, most of which I don't agree
with: How do you deal with an otherwise good rider who doesn't like
helmets? How about someone in a football helmet? Can we mandate
what a person does on a public way? (We could refuse entry where
a sign-up or fee is required, but can we make a person not ride
with us?) We have allowed ride leaders to put in their ride
announcement: Helmets Required.
Thanks to 7HW for the leadership! - Chris
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| 616.3 | | AKOV11::FULLER | | Wed Apr 13 1988 13:57 | 13 |
| We cannot stop someone from riding. We can tell them they are
not officially riding with us and we may not provide them
with a map.
A better approach that we hope will work is, we are now collecting
older generation helmets of club members. At beginner rides, the
leader will have these with him/her.
We do not want to turn people away from riding with us, but we must
take a stand on safety, as the USCF has done.
steve
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| 616.4 | The law is an ass | ULTRA::WITTENBERG | Secure Systems for Insecure People | Wed Apr 13 1988 14:42 | 12 |
| One reason that I've heard for not having the rule is that if
someone takes off his helmet, falls, and hurts his head he can sue
the club for negligence in enforcing its rules. It sounds crazy
that a rule requiring safety equipment can be a legal liability,
but this is what I've been told.
This is another case of our liability laws making the world more
dangerous. Personally, I'm strongly in favor of rules requiring
helmets. They should require ANSI or Snell approved bicycle
helmets to avoid the football helmet that Chris mentioned.
--David
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| 616.5 | a title for your reply | MENTOR::REG | Keep left, except when not passing | Wed Apr 13 1988 17:05 | 6 |
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To Gary Miller, and others.
Yes, I *HAVE* seen this topic, thanks anyway.
Reg
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| 616.6 | He's SO quick! Fast too! | HPSVAX::MILLER | Vox clamantis in deserto. | Wed Apr 13 1988 17:59 | 14 |
| Just as I was going to comment, he HAD to butt in.
Careful, Reg...this is one of my "Be nice to Reg" weeks. Don't want
you to spoil it, and force me to say something full of negative
humor, either.
re: 7HW Helmet Flap....live and let live, I say. I wear one. I broke
one last year with my shoulder crunching fall of the Counterpoint.
Happily for me and my family (don't say it, Reg), the only damage
was to the helmet and the shoulder. Head wasn't even sore. I don't
know what would have happened if I hadn't worn the helmet, and I
don't care.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=gary=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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| 616.7 | 55 stay alive | MENTOR::REG | Keep left, except when not passing | Wed Apr 13 1988 18:20 | 5 |
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"Quick", "Fast" Well, it took you 55 minutes to reply :-^)
Reg
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| 616.8 | Yea, the law is an ass | WEA::BUCHANAN | Bat | Wed Apr 13 1988 20:15 | 23 |
| Taking the legal aspect one step further let me tell something that I heard
and see if it makes sense to anyone. I'm not a lawyer so don't ask me to
defend it...
When you ride a century it is now common to have to sign a form that says:
I know that bicycle riding is a potentially dangerous sport
and I agree not to hold xxxx cycle club responsible in case of
accident or injury...
This is just a smoke screen and has virtually no legal ground to stand on.
Something to the effect of you can't sign away your legal rights so if you
have an accident you simply say that the cause of the accident was the unsafe
course or conditions and sue anyway.
If this is true then the club could be legally liable for someone's injury
even if he willfully decided not to wear the helmet.
I hate people who preach as much as anyone else but I also have had my
accident. I flipped a mountain bike and landed directly on my head. Shattered
my collar bone and knocked me out cold. That was 4 years ago and I have
not had use for the helmet since but someday I might again.
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