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Title: Bicycling
Notice:Bicycling for Fun
Moderator:JAMIN::WASSER
Created:Mon Apr 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3214
Total number of notes:31946

169.0. "Further Frame Topics" by DLO06::SMITH () Fri Nov 07 1986 12:36

As long as we are on the subject of frames:
    
    I was in a accident with a car some months back in which my Vitus
    alumimum frame was destroyed. A steel frame would have faired no
    better. As soon as the insurance pays off I am considering a new
    frame, of course, but I am NOT going to get another non-ferrous
    frame again. The Vitus, although a fine frame had some bad karma
    associated with it. I am comsidering several frames but basically
    I am interested in one made of Columbus SLX.
    
    Has anyone heard any horror stories about SLX as opposed to SL or
    Reynolds 531? One appeal of going to an SLX frame is the front
    derailluer braze-on. Another reason is the slightly stiffer bottom
    bracket. Any suggestions?
    
    
    Gary "Steel Is Real" Smith
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169.1APOLLO::DEHAHNFri Nov 07 1986 15:1310
    
    As long as you don't need an exceptionally small or large frame
    size, SLX is the best. It's roughly the same weight as SL and a
    little bit stiffer in the bottom bracket area. The steerer tube
    is reinforced also, but I doubt you'll feel this while riding.
    
    Have fun shopping,
    CdH
    
    
169.2slx is greatBANZAI::FISHERMon Nov 10 1986 03:4612
Re: .1   "The steerer tube is reinforced also,"

The steer tube on all current Columbus SL and SLX bikes have the slx-type
rifling for reinforcement, they were doing that first when someone came
up with the idea for using the rifling elsewhere.

(So I have been told and have observed.)

I love my SLX bikes, but am putting them away and warming up "old paint"
for the winter slush and slop.

ed
169.3SUPER::CONNELLThu Nov 13 1986 13:1412
    
    Rifling:  Yes, all Columbus tube sets that I have seen (SP, SL,
    SLX) have refinforcing in the steer tube.  The difference is that
    SLX has it at the end of other tubes.
    
    Front Derailleur Braze on:  This is unrelated to the type of tubing
    used as it is brazed on separately.  (It tends to be on newer bikes
    which tend to be made out of SLX so there appears to be a
    relationship.)
    
    Chuck
    
169.4size versus stiffnessTALLIS::JBELLZeno was almost hereWed Apr 04 1990 17:2410
    I've heard that smaller frames are stiffer.  Why is that?

    It seems to me that a smaller frame requires a longer seat post,
    so the total length is the same.  In fact you would loose some
    triangulation, so I expect that a smaller frame would in effect
    be less stiff.

    Right?

    -Jeff Bell
169.5Smaller is stiffer, but don't get carried awayCESARE::JOHNSONMatt Johnson, DTN 871-7473Thu Apr 05 1990 05:3514
    I asked this question a couple of years back.  The answer is that
    most of the stress on the frame is between the wheels and the
    crank, and has little to do with where you put your tail.  The
    stiffness matters most, in any case, when you're out of the 
    saddle - in climbs and sprints.
    
    If you're thinking "then I'll just get a 51cm frame and a 350mm
    seatpost," recall that the top tube of a smaller frame is usually
    shorter, and that the shorter seat tube leaves further forward 
    relative to the cranks.  This can be bad for your knees, and for
    handling.  One noter (Stew Campbell?) recalled his sufferings with
    a too-small frame in this conference a couple of years ago.
    
    MATT
169.6Then they wrinkle the equation by changing thingsCLYPPR::FISHERDictionary is not.Thu Apr 05 1990 08:545
    Smaller is usually stiffer but often the frame builders use a stronger
    tube set for a bigger frame to accomodate.  Then you get a heavier
    frame but weight isn't more important than strength.
    
    ed