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Title: Bicycling
Notice:Bicycling for Fun
Moderator:JAMIN::WASSER
Created:Mon Apr 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
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94.0. "CBS Tour de France Coverage" by SUPER::NUZZO () Mon Jul 07 1986 11:50

    Did anyone see CBS's coverage of the Tour de France on Sunday? 
    It was great.  One hour from 3 - 4 pm.  I gather they will have
    the same coverage next week.  Good to see Bike Racing getting the
    attention it deservers.
    
    See the next note for a summary of the Tour's summary to date.
    
    jbn
    
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94.1Results through Stage 3SUPER::NUZZOMon Jul 07 1986 11:5250
Associated Press Mon 07-JUL-1986 04:09                  Tourde France Results

Tour de France Results
   LIEVIN, France (AP) - Results Sunday of the third leg of the Tour
de France cycling competition - a 133-mile leg from Levallois-Perret
to Lievin:
   1, Davis Phinney, United States, 5 hours, 45 minutes, 31 seconds.
2, Henk Boeve, Netherlands, same time. 3, Robert Dill-Bundi,
Switzerland, same time. 4, Charles Mottet, France, same time. 5,
Willem Van de Eynde, Belgium, same time.
   6, Jean-Claude Garde, France, same time. 7, Dag-Otto Lauritzen,
Norway, same time. 8, Laurent Biondi, France, 3 seconds behind. 9,
Francois Lemarchand, France, :03 behind. 10, Eric Vanderaerden,
Belgium, :05.
                    Overall  Standings            
                    (After  three  legs)            
   1, Thierry Marie, France, 9 hours, 0 minutes, 8 seconds. 2,
Charles Mottet, France, same time. 3, Dominique Gaigne, France, 3
seconds behind. 4, Laurent Fignon, France, :04 behind. 5, Alain
Bondue, France, :07.
   6, Yvon Madiot, France, :17. 7, Eric Boyer, France, :20. 8, Eric
Maechler, Switzerland, :43. 9, Eric Vanderaerden, Belgium, :44. 10,
Stephen Roche, Ireland, :48.


Associated Press Sun 06-JUL-1986 15:44                          Tourde France

      LIEVIN, France (AP) - American Davis Phinney won the third stage
of the Tour de France cycling race Sunday, but Thierry Marie of
France retained the yellow jersey of the overall leader.
   Phinney, riding for Seven-Eleven, the first U.S.-sponsored team
ever to compete in the world's premier cycling classic won in a
sprint to the finish line. Six other riders followed so close behind
they all clocked the same time of 5:45:31 for the 133-mile course
north from Levallois-Perret on the outskirts of Paris to Lievin near
the Belgian border.
   The pack started in a heavy rain, and the day's ride was marked
by a fall involving Colombian Omar Hernandez and several other
riders.
   Charles Mottet, who like Marie is on the System U team that is
dominating the early stages of the 73rd running of the Tour de
France, picked up important bonus points in intermediate sprints,
but eventually was caught by the rest of the riders traveling in a
pack.
   Mottet, who pulled virtually even with his teammate Marie in the
overall standings, placed second, but with an identical time to the
leader's.
   Marie's overall time is 9:00:08, the same as Mottet. Dominique
Gaigne of France is third, three seconds behind.

94.2it musta workedAPOLLO::DEHAHNfeel the spinMon Jul 07 1986 15:2412
    
    It's about time the coverage improved, CBS has done for several
    years now, the kinks should be worked out. After last years disaster
    (waiting through the golf coverage, only to have the cycling portion
    canned at the end) even a scheduled 15 minutes would be great as
    long as they delivered it consistently.
    
    I guess I wasn't the only one who sent hate mail to CBS.
    
    CdH
    
    
94.3where's LeMond??GAUSS::LAWRENCEWed Jul 09 1986 09:564
    whatever happened to Greg LeMond this year? I haven't been following
    racing this year but as I recall from a year ago he was the heir
    apparent following Bernard Hinault's victory then.
    
94.47th stage reportNOVA::FISHERFri Jul 11 1986 08:0349
Monday's Globe had Greg in 60th place, today he's listed as
35th place, 2:58 behind.  Other americans:

40: Andy Hempsten, 3:11; 80, Ron Kiefel, 4:52; 100, Eric Heiden,
5:59; 110, Davis Phinney, 6:11; 133, Rob Roll, 6:28; 144 Jeff Pierce,
6:36; 152, Chris Carmichael, 6:44; 156, Doug Shapiro, 6:52;
182, Alexi Grewal, 12:23.

Greg finished 85th in the 7th stage reported below, i.e., in the pack.

The latest AP stuff from VTX is:

Associated Press Thu 10-JUL-1986 12:23                          Tourde France

      SAINT-HILAIRE-DU-HARCOUET, France (AP) - Belgium's Ludo Peeters
shot ahead of eleven others racing for the finish line on Thursday
to win the seventh stage of the Tour de France.
   Danish rider Jorgen Nedersen finished fourth, which was good
enough to take the yellow jersey of the overall leader away from
Johan Van der Velde, who had worn it for two consecutive days.
   The seventh stage was marked by ferocious jockeying for position
among two of the riders favored to win the 23-day race. Bernard
Hinault raced against Laurent Fignon for bonus points worth 18
seconds. His success there put an end to a brief but virulent
contest between Belgium's Claude Criquielon and Luis Herrera of
Colombia.
   Five kilometers (three miles) before the end of the day's
201-kilometer (125-mile) journey from Cherbourg, twelve cyclists,
spurred by American Ron Kieffel, sprinted toward the finish, with
Peeters coming out on top.
   The eighth step of the circuit of France on Friday will take the
cyclists from Saint-Hilaire-du-Harcouet to Nantes, a 204-kilometer
(127-mile) trek.
Associated Press Thu 10-JUL-1986 12:24                  Women's Tourde France

      SAINT-HILAIRE-DU-HARCOUET, France (AP) - Frenchwoman Jeannie
Longo sprinted ahead of Italian Maria Canins on Thursday to win the
first stage of the Women's Tour de France.
   Longo had finished one second behind her rival in the prologue
Wednesday, but turned the tables on the 62.5-kilometer (39-mile)
ride from Granville to Saint-Hilaire-du-Harcouet, also winning the
title of overall leader.
   Longo said she won the day by riding close with American Inga
Thompson as she waited for to Canins made her move.
   ``Maria took the initiative 500 meters before the finish line,
but I made headway and overtook her at 250 meters,'' Longo said.
   Canins said when she rode ahead of the others, ``Longo and
Thompson united their efforts in order to neutralize me.''

94.5Move to England !JOLLY::DEARLOVESat Jul 12 1986 13:0118
    Hi,
    
    You Guys and Gals should move to England where we are now getting
    coverage of the T de F for 0.5 Hrs per day with 1 Hr on Sunday.
    
    They even have a Racing Cyclist commentating, so there is not much
    dribble to listen to. Most of his predictions on who will win the
    finishing sprint seem to work out.
    
    Later in the year they also televise some special City - Centre
    races for an hour each week. These races consist of a 40 lap 
    'thrash' over a 1 mile circuit in various UK cities.
    
    These are all good for promoting the sport - However they don't
    seem make me go any faster !!!.
    
    Mike
    
94.6and after 10 legs mens and 3 womensNOVA::FISHERMon Jul 14 1986 04:0264
Associated Press Sun 13-JUL-1986 21:58                  Tourde France Results

Tour de France Results
   POITIERS, France (AP) - Results Sunday of the 10th leg of the
Tour de France cycling competition - a 114-mile leg from Nantes to
Poitiers:
   1, Angel-Jose Sarrapio, Spain, 4 hours, 27 minutes, 16 seconds.
2, Jean-Claude Bagot, France, 1 second behind. 3, Eric Vanderaerden,
Belgium, 2 minutes, 42 seconds behind. 4, Franck Hoste, Belgium,
same time. 5, Josef Lieckens, Belgium, same time.
   6, Johan Van Der Velde, Belgium, same time. 7, Jean-Louis
Gauthier, France, same time. 8, Francis Castaing, France, same time.
9, Jean-Philippe Van Den Brande, Belgium, same time. 10, Mathieu
Hermans, Netherlands, same time.
        Other  Americans  and  Canadians     
   28, Alex Stieda, Canada, 2 minutes, 42 seconds behind. 50, Greg
Lemond, same time. 65, Jeff Pierce, same time. 80, Andrew Hampsten,
same time. 82, Steve Bauer, Canada, same time. 97, Davis Phinney,
same time.
   109, Doug Shapiro, same time. 121, Bob Roll, same time. 140, Eric
Heiden, same time. 163, Ron Kieffel, same time. 167, Alexi Grewal,
same time. 171, Chris Carmichael, same time.
                    Overall  Standings
                    (After  10  legs)
   1, Jorgen Pedersen, Denmark, 39 hours, 18 minutes, 58 seconds. 2,
Joel Pelier, France, 1 minute, 3 seconds behind. 3, Stephen Roche,
Ireland, 1:05 behind. 4, Bernard Hinault, France, 1:10. 5, Thierry
Marie, France, 1:24.
   6, Charles Mottet, France, 1:43. 7, Urs Zimmermann, Switzerland,
1:53. 8, Greg Lemond, United States, 1:59. 9, Eric Vanderaerden,
Belgium, 2:26. 10, Robert Millar, Britain, 2:34.
        Other  Americans  and  Canadians
   17, Steve Bauer, Canada, 3 minutes, 48 seconds behind. 44, Andrew
Hampsten, 6:19 behind. 95, Ron Kieffel, 10:11. 106, Eric Heiden,
10:59. 110, Jeff Pierce, 11:07. 112, Alex Stieda, Canada, 11:20.
   116, Doug Shapiro, 11:52. 144, Davis Phinney, 13:23. 161, Chris
Carmichael, 14:49. 180, Bob Roll, 18:33. 184, Alexi Grewal, 19:40.


Women's Tour de France Results
   JAUNAY CLAN, France (AP) - Results Sunday of the third leg of the
Women's Tour de France cycling competition - a 58.67-mile leg from
Nantes to Jaunay Clan:
   1, Betsy King, United States, 2 hours, 22 minutes, 33 seconds,
avg. speed, 24.95 mph. 2, Maria Canins, Italy, 1 second behind. 3,
Mieke Havic, Netherlands, same time. 4, Paula Westher, Sweden, same
time. 5, Martine L'Haridon, France A, same time.
   6, Monique De Bruin, Netherlands, same time. 7, Lory Laroy,
Belgium, same time. 8, Imelda Chiappa, Italy, 1 minute, 4 seconds
behind. 9, Jeannie Longo, France A, same time. 10, Sylvie Slos,
Belgium, same time.
                    Overall  Standings
                    (After  three  legs)
   1, Maria Canins, Italy, 6 hours, 31 minutes, 16 seconds. 2, Betsy
King, United States, 22 seconds behind. 3, Mieke Havic, Netherlands,
:26 behind. 4, Paula Westher, Sweden, :37. 5, Monique De Bruin,
Netherlands, :42.
   6, Monique L'haridon, France A, :45. 7, Jeannie Longo, France A,
1 minute, 9 seconds behind. 8, Inga Thompson, United States, 1:27
behind. 9, Virginie Lafargue, France B, 1:27. 10, Connie Meijer,
Netherlands, 1:34.
                    Americans
   14, Phyllis Hines, United States, 1 minute, 42 seconds behind.
15, Carol Rogers-Dunning, United States, 1:43 behind.
94.7Viewing dilemma.BISON::HOFFMANMon Jul 14 1986 16:567
    
    What a dilemma!  Two networks showing cycling at the same time,
    the Tour on CBS, and the 1985 worlds on another channel, yesterday.
    Cycling has come up in the world: not only is the quality of 
    reporting improved, but the networks are competing for cycling
    viewers.  Next thing we'll have Monday Night Velo, with Howard
    Cosell commentating!
94.8SUPER::CONNELLMon Jul 14 1986 17:1424
    Right on with Monday Night Velo and Howard Cosell!  Wouldn't that
    be great?  (Not that I like Cosell..)  
    
    In response to "What happened to LeMond?"...
    
    Hinault did promise last year that he would sacrifice for Greg this
    year.  He has obviously retracted that promise, which seems to me
    a little bogus since LeMond helped Hinault last year.  On the other
    hand... Hinault has won it 5 times and deserves star status.
    
    Lemond has also been treated harshly by the European press.  They are 
    knocking him for "not being able to win the big one".  This is somewhat
    unfair in that he was 2nd in the Tour and 2nd in the World Championships
    in 1985.  Not too shabby.
    
    On the other hand... LeMond has not exactly lived up to his promise
    as the greatest thing to ever lace on a pair of wood-soled shoes.
    Why did he let Joop beat him in the World Championships?  Why did
    he do so poorly in all the spring classics (i.e. Paris-Robais, etc)?
    
    Hinault now says that Andy Hampsten is his heir.  ???
    
    Chuck
     
94.9Lemond's chancesHARDY::NUZZOMon Jul 14 1986 22:1832
    re:.8
    
   	Don't count Greg out yet, though he does seem to concede Hinualt
    is in a good position (see report below) ... or is he?? Was it not in 
    the mountains that Greg had to help Hinualt last year?  Maybe a good 
    place to bury him this year.(?)  Also does not Andy Hampsten have to 
    (or should) work for Greg in the TdF since Greg worked form him in his 
    win of the Tour of Switzerland?  Lemond may still have a chance.
    
    Here are the results after 9 and comments from Hinault and Lemond.
    
Organization: HP Instrument Systems Lab - Loveland, CO
 
Stage 9, a 38 mile time-trial at Nantes France, in which Hinault shows
he's not dead yet.   Bernard says "There is really no rivalry between
Greg and I, if either of us wins, that's OK with me".  Greg says "I
think he meant it when he said he would help me win but if he shows
that he is stronger in the mountains, it is he who will win."
 
The mountain stages begin Tuesday.
 
Overall Standings, after 9 legs:
 
1.  Jorgen Pedersen, Denmark, 34h 49m
2.  Stephen Roche, Ireland, 1m 5s behind
3.  Bernard Hinault, France, 1:10 behind
4.  Joel Pelier, France, 1:15
5.  Thierry Marie, France, 1:25
6.  Charles Mottet, France, 1:43
7.  Urs Zimmerman, Switzerland, 1:53
8.  Greg LeMond, US, 1:59
    
94.10SUPER::CONNELLWed Jul 16 1986 10:187
    ALL RIGHT !!!!!
    
    Hinault hammers in the mountains and takes the lead.  LeMond in
    second.  Looks pretty exciting.
    
    Chuck
    
94.11Lemond won yesterday.NMGV08::MELOWENDThu Jul 17 1986 04:424
    
    Greg Lemond won the yesterday leg and is now only 40 seconds behind
    Bernard Hinault. Excitment is back!
    
94.12no need to panicAPOLLO::DEHAHNThu Jul 17 1986 08:5216
    
    Come on, you guys!!!!
    
    A minute down in the early stages of the Tour is insignificant.
    Forty seconds even less so. 
    
    What is much more important is what is going to happen when a
    leadership decision is to be made, like what happened last year.
    My money says Koechli goes with Hinault. Greg gets pissed and
    leaves La Vie Claire to start his own team.
    
    CdH
    
    
    
    
94.13SUPER::CONNELLThu Jul 17 1986 10:425
    
    So, Chris are you saying that LeMond will not win this year either?
    
    Chuck
    
94.14Greg wears the Yellow JerseyNOVA::FISHERMon Jul 21 1986 08:025
Greg is wearing the yellow jersey after the 17th stage.  Story and standings
in today's Globe.  Standings only on VTX.

The GC is 1. Lemond 81:24:12, 2. Zimmerman +2:24, 3. Hineault +2:47,
4. Millar +6:19, 5. Delgado +8:00, 6, Hampsten 10:20, ...
94.15July 21st Results NATASH::WAGNERMon Jul 21 1986 16:2431
L'ALPE D'HUEZ, France (AP) - French superstar Bernard Hinault and
his American teammate Greg Lemond crushed all the opposition in the
Tour de France Monday, crossing the finishing line with their arms
linked in a victory gesture.
   Hinault led Lemond across the line by inches to win another tough
Alpine stage, with Lemond keeping the yellow jersey of overall
leader. Earlier enmity between the men, now co-favorites to win the
Tour in Paris next Sunday, was clearly dispelled Monday.
   Hinault and Lemond were timed in 5 hours, 3 minutes and 3 seconds.
   Hinault and Lemond rode together over the passes, two of them
including the final climb to this resort ranked as exceptionally
difficult, with Hinault taking most of the strain of the lead.
   As they covered the final few hundred yards, Lemond put his arm
on Hinault's shoudlers and the two men laughed as they talked
briefly.
   The stage victory was for the 26th for Hinault, who has won the
Tour five times, and put him in second place in the records for
stage wins after Belgian Eddy Merckx, with 34 stage victories.
   American Andrew Hampsten was sixth in 6:22.
   Hinault and Lemond powered up the final climb, Hinault taking 
    second place in the overall standings. Lemond's overall time is
86:27:11 with Hinault 2:45 behind. Urs Zimmermann of Switzerland,
who was third in Monday's stage, also is third overall, nearly eight
minutes behind. Hampsten is fourth, 16:46 off the pace.
   Hinault's La Vie Claire team now appears certain to win the Tour.
   Team owner Bernard Tapie has said that Hinault is his sentimental
favorite to win again, but that he thought Lemond was more likely be
the winner. Hinault said last year he would help Lemond win this
race, but that had been forgotten in the public quarrels between the
two men earlier in the tour.
   The riders get their only rest day in the event on Tuesday.
94.16anyone got any pliers?APOLLO::DEHAHNMon Jul 21 1986 16:458
    
    Well, it looks like I put my foot in my mouth. I'm thrilled Greg
    has the jersey, he's waited a LONG time for it. Now that he's got
    it he's sure to win except for a severe mishap.
    
    CdH
    
    
94.17LeMond meets the pressJAWS::MHARRISMacFri Jul 25 1986 16:1413
    I was amused by one aspect of last Sunday's CBS coverage of the
    Tour -- the only quote in French from Greg.  He had just finished
    the stage in third to get the maillot jaune, was tired and toweling
    off, and a persistent French interviewer kept putting a microphone
    in front of him.  Greg turned to the interviewer and said, with
    detectable heat, "Un peu de temps, putain!" -- Roughly translated,
    "Give me some time, bimbo!" (The interviewer was a man;  the French
    sometimes use "putain" like we might say "dammit.")
    
    The relations between LeMond and the French press are reputed to
    be something less than ideal...
    
    Mac.
94.18I just got this off of VTX...NATASH::WAGNERSun Jul 27 1986 18:4083
    ...and I thought someone might be interested.
    
    Looks like the "Invasion from Systeme U" has been successfully thwarted.
    
    
    
    PARIS (AP) - Greg Lemond, a 25-year-old Californian, became the
first American to win the 73rd Tour de France Sunday when the
world's most famous cycling race finished in front of cheering
throngs on the Champs Elysees.
   Lemond took a solid lead into the 23rd and final leg of the
grueling race and sprinted to victory on the France's most glamorous
avenue.
   ``It's really been a great Tour for me,'' Lemond said. ``Still
right to the end I was afraid and today I was a little nervous.''
   He said he made sure to try to stay at the front of the pack to
avoid a collision which could force him out of the race and prevent
the victory.
   ``Finally, everything went well,'' he said, ``Tonight, I'm
happy.''
   Lemond's teammate, Bernard Hinault of France, finished fourth on
Sunday and in second place overall, failing to win what would have
been a record sixth Tour de France.
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Associated Press Sun 27-JUL-1986 15:27             Tourde France-Men (cont'd)

   But he had promised last year, when Lemond finished second while
helping team leader Hinault to victory, that he would help the
American win in 1986.
   Lemond's composite time for the race, over more than 2,500 miles
of terrain, including long sprints across flatlands and rugged
climbs in the Alps and Pyrenees, was 110 hours, 35 minutes and 19
seconds. Hinault finished three minutes and 10 seconds back.
   Lemond's second-place finish last year and his third place in
1984 made him one of the favorites for this year's event.
   The last leg, over a 158-mile course from Cosne to Paris, was won
by Guido Bontempi of Italy at the head of a large pack of riders.
Josef Liekens of Belguim finished second and Eric Vanderaerden, also
of Belgium, was third.
   Lemond finished Sunday's leg in 44th place, in the middle of a
large pack of cyclists, all of whom were given the same time as
Bontempi - 6 hours, 51 minutes and 55 seconds.
   In cycling, when a group finishes together all the cyclists get
the same time, even though time elapses before they all have crossed
the finish line. On Sunday, all 132 cyclists still in the race
finished officially in the same time.
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Associated Press Sun 27-JUL-1986 15:27             Tourde France-Men (cont'd)

   Scarcely a week ago, a bitter rivalry seemed to be developing
between Lemond and Hinault, both members of the team sponsored by La
Vie Claire, but the problems were resolved. Working together, Lemond
and Hinault finished one-two in one of the most difficult Alpine
legs, leaving all competition far behind.
   Hinault said he was ``a man of his word,'' and would not try to
overtake Lemond in the final stages of the race, which began July 4
and traced a counterclockwise circuit around the country.
   Lemond admitted in a French television interview Sunday night
that there was ``tension'' on the team because of the rivalry with
Hinault.
   ``I think he wanted to win his sixth Tour de France, and I wanted
to win by first,'' Lemond said.
   Premier Jacques Chirac and U.S. Ambassador Joe M. Rodgers
congratulated Lemond as he received his prizes and a band played
American national anthem.
   Lemond won $25,000, a porcelaine vase and a diamond-studded
trophy.
   Lemond, a native of Nevada, now splits his time between homes in
Belgium and California.
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Associated Press Sun 27-JUL-1986 15:27             Tourde France-Men (cont'd)

   He had planned to ride in three exhibition races this week in
France and the Netherlands before returning to the United States,
but he said his immediate plans were to see his wife and child ``and
forget the bicycle for a week.''
   Urs Zimmermann of Switzerland finished third overall. Andrew
Hampsten, a 24-year-old from North Dakota, riding in his first Tour
de France, was fourth and was named best newcomer in the race.
   Zimmerman finished 10:54 behind Lemond, and Hampsten was 18:44
off the pace. Claude Criquielion of Belgium rounded out the top five
overall finishers, 24:36 back.
   A record 210 competitors - 21 teams of 10 riders - began the race.
94.19?? WOMENS TOUR DE FRANCE ??PUFFIN::WILSONSteven, NRO2-2/A3Tue Jul 29 1986 13:088
    $ SET FLAME/EEO/INTENSITY=NUCLEAR
    
    Has anyone noticed the almost non-existant coverage given to the
    Women's Tour de France. For the love of God, an American took third
    place there! Yet all that was in the Globe was a box 1/10 the size
    of what they gave Lemond.
    
    $ SET FLAME NORMAL
94.20All coverage not created equalJAWS::MHARRISMacTue Jul 29 1986 14:4516
    Re:  .19
    
    Well -- I wouldn't expect equal treatment for the Women's Tour because:
    
    1.  This was only the third running of the Women's Tour = not as
        much tradition or interest, even in France.
    2.  Shorter race = less time for suspense to build.
    3.  An American didn't win.
    4.  Maria Canins blew everyone else out -- no suspense at all.
    5.  American press likes wins, not places or shows.
    
    Coverage may come, but SLOWLY.
    
    Mac.
    
    
94.21Disgustin' ain't it ?EUREKA::REG_BNinety nine .9 percent TV freeTue Jul 29 1986 16:568
    re .19	Yes, I had noticed the  LACK of coverage.   The only
    papers I have seen *ANY* coverage in didn't even mention that there
    was a womens' tour, though I think my 0.1% TV viewing showed it
    and implied that it was just a sub-set (like age and sex
    classification) of the TdF.

    	Reg